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jaws tandem

Kristoffer Gustafsson
 

Hi.
how was it with jaws tandem?
do I need to have the same jaws version on my computer, as my friend
has if we want to use tandem?
/Kristoffer

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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

HAMILTON
 

Ted:

You use "spreadsheets"! Right away, that puts you much higher up the
technical ladder than I would put myself. ;) ;)

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) [mailto:Ted.Lisle@ky.gov]
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:15 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Technical whizzes? We're not talking programming, or scripting, or anything
very difficult! For instance, I don't use typing echo, except in
spreadsheets, where errors can be hard to find and fix. Accordingly, I just
tweak Excel to speak characters, while allowing other programs to run with
Typing Echo off. Maybe I run more out of the box than many folks here do,
but that really isn't rocket science, requiring only a few seconds to set
and save. I like the merge feature, but, as I said earlier, I deliberately
did not merge 15's settings to 16, in order to avoid some minor file
corruption that occurred in 15--no big deal.

Having said that, I don't know when I'll switch to 17, simply because 16 is
one of the coolest versions I've ever run, and I am reluctant to give it
up.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:55 PM
To: 'Bissett, Tom'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Tom:

For you, it may not be a "show stopper". However, for some of us, it would
appear to be. We can not all be technical wizzes! And, such screen-reading
programmes should work for "everyone", technically inclined or not!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

If you recall we had the same situation going from jaws 12 to jaws 13.
Because of the number and type of changes a merge was not possible. We are
seeing the same situation again. I am sure FS will have a merge moving from
17 to 18.
I realize it is an inconvenience but really! Itss not a show stopper.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of judith bron
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: judith bron
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

When Freedom scientific first began way back when their mission statement
was to provide a program to the blind and visually impaired world that would
allow them to work the computer using keystrokes rather than a mouse. We've
come a long way since then but it seems that part of the mission statement
has been lost in the mire. Business has to keep progressing but losing
sight of your mission eventually reduces all the economic progress. There
are other screen readers. I hope FS doesn't wake up one day to hear that
their popularity and standing in the blind community has been replaced by
another company.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:50 PM
To: 'Pablo Morales'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Pablo :

Sorry, I had replied to this in the incorrect manner; so, I am resending my
reply to your message below.

****************

Anyone wishing to complain about "no Merge Utility in JAWS 17" should send
their concerns to:

suggestions@freedomscientific.com

This was the advice, from JAWS Technical Support, that I got in response to
my sending my concerns to them. So, I took the technical support person at
his word, and sent my concerns accordingly. So far though, there has been
no reply from FS!

However, the more people who do share their concerns in this way, the more
likely that FS will do something - constructive! So, come on people, strike
a blow for those who need/want to keep access to their JAWS settings on
their PCs!

Thank you.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Writing to where?
I need merge utility, I can't not be ,re writing all commands or
configurations every time, it is time consuming.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:23 PM
To: 'Tom Behler'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Dr. Tom Behler:

Thanks. Did you follow up by writing to the "suggestions" link in the body
of that generic response? I think that this is where the power-to-change
exists within FS.

"Power to the people!"

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Jim and all:

I sent my letter of discontent in early this morning, and got the generic
response.

Hopefully others will do the same.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Well, I must say that it is most gratifying to see that lots of other JAWS
users are upset with losing the Merge Utility! I hate to be the only one
screaming in the wilderness. I have already used the below link to
complain, and received the typical FS reply that someone would be in touch.
I agree that the more people who let FS know about their feelings on this,
and any other, matter, makes a lot of sense. It is the noisy wheel that
gets greased! Let's keep those cards and letters coming in!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

What's the traffic volume like on the JAWS-Users group?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:41 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up 1 of
someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time
anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think & go on
their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it
might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf ears,
so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't
changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of making
1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you feel,
& that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a member of
this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the
list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested.

To join:

jaws-users-list-join@jaws-users.com

Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the
message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply to
it & you should be good to go.

It's not a real high traffic list.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Mike,

Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the air

is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and volume
can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By volume, I

mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to fix
it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur.

I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from one
version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know that
persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS over
time.

But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to version,
and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must pay
for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two years,
but now to go through such inconvenience as well?

As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one. Otherwise,
it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again, the
address is

support@freedomscientific.com

I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are we
supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change the
fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with
their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many years,
& when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass
email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me
that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule is
to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether it's
ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of transition
from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this
concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I
believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in
JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in
skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech Support
at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Admin: Further to the list migration announcement of earlier.

James Homuth
 

In addition to the list changing locations at the end of the month, I will
be looking to expand the moderation team in the near future. Any new
moderators being brought on will not be brought on until the list changes
location. However, anyone with an interest in doing so should be advised
that I will be looking through their recent activity on the list before
making my decision. I am presently working out what the added moderators
will be responsible for at present. However, those of you who are interested
in contributing to the list in that capacity can indicate so by emailing me,
privately, off-list to say so.

Those of you who've been with the list a while will remember we had rules
once. We still do, albeit not quite as enforced as they ought to be. The
additional moderators, and the change in location, will hopefully go major
steps toward changing that. I'm putting together the new location as I write
this, so all I'll need to do when the day gets here is move everyone from
here to that new group. Most of you have been awesome, which gives the list
something steady to build on. It's my hope that once we get things back on
track, neither I nor the moderators will have much to do but keep things
going.

As said, if there's an interest, communicate it to me privately off-list. If
you're picked to join the administration team, you'll be notified before the
move so that we can get you set up appropriately before it all goes online.
Any questions or issues, also send them to me off-list. My direct email, for
those who don't already have it: james@the-jdh.com

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Re: Admin: Upcoming list migration.

 

Hi James,
Couldn't find your email address easily...
Write to me and other Groups.IO users and list admins privately if you need
help (also, I propose asking other JAWS users list admins if they can merge
lists with yours later).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of James Homuth
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 2:46 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: James Homuth <james@the-jdh.com>
Subject: Admin: Upcoming list migration.

Folks,

In an attempt to consolidate things slightly, and as a direct result of some
changes happening on the persoonal front, be advised this list will be
changing locations on 2015-11-30. Effective on that date,
jfw@lists.the-jdh.com will retire, to be replaced by a list on groups.io.
More information will be provided re: that service, for those who don't
know, when the time gets closer. No additional effort should need to be
taken by the membership - I'll move everyone over when we're ready to
migrate. If you have questions, please mail me privately.

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Re: Admin: Upcoming list migration.

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

My outlook.com will definitely work with that one!

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@charter.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of James Homuth
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 2:46 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: James Homuth <james@the-jdh.com>
Subject: Admin: Upcoming list migration.

Folks,

In an attempt to consolidate things slightly, and as a direct result of some
changes happening on the persoonal front, be advised this list will be
changing locations on 2015-11-30. Effective on that date,
jfw@lists.the-jdh.com will retire, to be replaced by a list on groups.io.
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Admin: Upcoming list migration.

James Homuth
 

Folks,

In an attempt to consolidate things slightly, and as a direct result of some
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Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

No, doesn't work here. It may be a side effect of my setup.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 5:35 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Moore
Subject: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

Hi all,
Here is the tutorial on Google Chrome Browser that I have promised you. It is a Audio MP3 file that will play on about anything. I go over how to save files, and use Surfs Up to demonstrate everything you need to know about using different combo boxes and all you need to know when using a browser. I hope you enjoy it. It is an hour long. The link below is a drop box link. I fixed my drop box, so this link should work fine. Enter on the link and a page will open up. Go to almost to the bottom of the page and enter on the download link. You can save it to your computer. I hope you can get even more out of Google Chrome. Here is the link below.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ni7ydojdlehiqsc/Tutorial%20for%20Google%20Chrome.mp3?dl=0
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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Soronel Haetir
 

I took a look at eloq.sbl and the default list with jfw17 is in fact
quite a bit shorter than for earlier versions. I did not examine the
files closely enough to determine which characters were removed.

jfw16 had about 190 characters for English in the default eloq.sbl
file, but jfw17 has only130.

On 11/16/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Mike,

You know the symbols list that you bring up with JAWS key+4 (on the number
row above the letters)? I can select a symbol from that list and press enter
to paste it into a document. However, JAWS is not verbalizing those symbols
once they're pasted.

Again, the problem may be specific to my combination of JAWS and the
synthesizer Dectalk Express.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 2:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

What do you mean by your standard symbols aren't being spoken? Is it
possible that your punctuation level setting has been changed? Try setting

the punctuation level to, Some, to see if this helps. Or, am I way off
track?
Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Soronel Haetir via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Oh, those are the <synthesizer-name>.spl files

On 11/16/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Thanks, Soronel, and I'll make a note of this. However, I haven't changed
that file. I just can't get JAWS 17 to verbalize the existing standard
symbols. I vaguely recall making some adjustment somewhere to correct the
problem, but can't remember where. I assume the problem lies in my using
a
wonderful but senile Dectalk Express as my synthesizer.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Soronel Haetir
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Changes to the insert symbol dialog are accomplished by editing the
lists in vkeyboard.jsm (and then re-compiling vkeyboard.jss)

On 11/16/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
It's more complicated than that. I keep encountering new problems whose
solutions I'd figured out in the past but had to analyze all over again.
Fixes can also be time-consuming. I'm now having to re-enter all my old
placemarkers. Last night I discovered that JAWS isn't verbalizing
symbols
I
enter via the JAWS insert-4 symbols list. I think I encountered this
problem
before, but can't remember which setting fixed it. (In my case, it's the
result of using a combination of JAWS and the Dectalk Express
synthesizer.)
I've also had to remove the check for inline frames, change my forms
fields
sounds again, and so on. At least I could copy over my dictionary.jdf
file,
which would have been a nightmare to restore. JAWS 17 changed the pitch
of
my synthesizer to a level that irritated my ears and spoiled my
comprehension. It took at least an hour to figure out that in voice
profiles, you can't change pitch when the synth is set to "all," but a
pitch
dialog does appear when you try to change the PC cursor, JAWS cursor,
etc.,
default. A whole lot of reconstruction that shouldn't be necessary.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:15 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Technical whizzes? We're not talking programming, or scripting, or
anything
very difficult! For instance, I don't use typing echo, except in
spreadsheets, where errors can be hard to find and fix. Accordingly, I
just
tweak Excel to speak characters, while allowing other programs to run
with
Typing Echo off. Maybe I run more out of the box than many folks here
do,
but that really isn't rocket science, requiring only a few seconds to
set
and save. I like the merge feature, but, as I said earlier, I
deliberately
did not merge 15's settings to 16, in order to avoid some minor file
corruption that occurred in 15--no big deal.

Having said that, I don't know when I'll switch to 17, simply because 16
is
one of the coolest versions I've ever run, and I am reluctant to give
it
up.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:55 PM
To: 'Bissett, Tom'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Tom:

For you, it may not be a "show stopper". However, for some of us, it
would
appear to be. We can not all be technical wizzes! And, such
screen-reading
programmes should work for "everyone", technically inclined or not!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

If you recall we had the same situation going from jaws 12 to jaws 13.
Because of the number and type of changes a merge was not possible. We
are
seeing the same situation again. I am sure FS will have a merge moving
from
17 to 18.
I realize it is an inconvenience but really! Itss not a show stopper.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of judith
bron
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: judith bron
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

When Freedom scientific first began way back when their mission
statement
was to provide a program to the blind and visually impaired world that
would
allow them to work the computer using keystrokes rather than a mouse.
We've
come a long way since then but it seems that part of the mission
statement
has been lost in the mire. Business has to keep progressing but losing
sight of your mission eventually reduces all the economic progress.
There
are other screen readers. I hope FS doesn't wake up one day to hear
that
their popularity and standing in the blind community has been replaced
by
another company.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:50 PM
To: 'Pablo Morales'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Pablo :

Sorry, I had replied to this in the incorrect manner; so, I am resending
my
reply to your message below.

****************

Anyone wishing to complain about "no Merge Utility in JAWS 17" should
send
their concerns to:

suggestions@freedomscientific.com

This was the advice, from JAWS Technical Support, that I got in response
to
my sending my concerns to them. So, I took the technical support person
at
his word, and sent my concerns accordingly. So far though, there has
been
no reply from FS!

However, the more people who do share their concerns in this way, the
more
likely that FS will do something - constructive! So, come on people,
strike
a blow for those who need/want to keep access to their JAWS settings on
their PCs!

Thank you.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Writing to where?
I need merge utility, I can't not be ,re writing all commands or
configurations every time, it is time consuming.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:23 PM
To: 'Tom Behler'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Dr. Tom Behler:

Thanks. Did you follow up by writing to the "suggestions" link in the
body
of that generic response? I think that this is where the
power-to-change
exists within FS.

"Power to the people!"

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Jim and all:

I sent my letter of discontent in early this morning, and got the
generic
response.

Hopefully others will do the same.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Well, I must say that it is most gratifying to see that lots of other
JAWS
users are upset with losing the Merge Utility! I hate to be the only
one
screaming in the wilderness. I have already used the below link to
complain, and received the typical FS reply that someone would be in
touch.
I agree that the more people who let FS know about their feelings on
this,
and any other, matter, makes a lot of sense. It is the noisy wheel that
gets greased! Let's keep those cards and letters coming in!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

What's the traffic volume like on the JAWS-Users group?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:41 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up
1
of
someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time
anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think &
go
on
their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it
might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf
ears,
so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't
changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of
making
1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you
feel,
& that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a
member
of
this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the
list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested.

To join:

jaws-users-list-join@jaws-users.com

Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the
message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply
to
it & you should be good to go.

It's not a real high traffic list.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Mike,

Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the
air

is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and
volume
can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By
volume,
I

mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to
fix
it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur.

I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from
one
version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know
that
persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS
over
time.

But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to
version,
and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must
pay
for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two
years,
but now to go through such inconvenience as well?

As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one.
Otherwise,
it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again,
the
address is

support@freedomscientific.com

I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are
we
supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change
the
fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up
with
their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many
years,
& when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass
email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to
me
that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule
is
to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether
it's
ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of
transition
from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this
concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I
believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in
JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in
skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these
days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech
Support
at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about
the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This
comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process.
This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these
changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from
prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future
which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone
on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we
might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this
point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature
again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and
ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this
is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start
all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years?
Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Adrian Spratt
 

Mike,

You know the symbols list that you bring up with JAWS key+4 (on the number row above the letters)? I can select a symbol from that list and press enter to paste it into a document. However, JAWS is not verbalizing those symbols once they're pasted.

Again, the problem may be specific to my combination of JAWS and the synthesizer Dectalk Express.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 2:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

What do you mean by your standard symbols aren't being spoken? Is it
possible that your punctuation level setting has been changed? Try setting
the punctuation level to, Some, to see if this helps. Or, am I way off
track?
Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Soronel Haetir via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Oh, those are the <synthesizer-name>.spl files

On 11/16/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Thanks, Soronel, and I'll make a note of this. However, I haven't changed
that file. I just can't get JAWS 17 to verbalize the existing standard
symbols. I vaguely recall making some adjustment somewhere to correct the
problem, but can't remember where. I assume the problem lies in my using a
wonderful but senile Dectalk Express as my synthesizer.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Soronel Haetir
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Changes to the insert symbol dialog are accomplished by editing the
lists in vkeyboard.jsm (and then re-compiling vkeyboard.jss)

On 11/16/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
It's more complicated than that. I keep encountering new problems whose
solutions I'd figured out in the past but had to analyze all over again.
Fixes can also be time-consuming. I'm now having to re-enter all my old
placemarkers. Last night I discovered that JAWS isn't verbalizing symbols
I
enter via the JAWS insert-4 symbols list. I think I encountered this
problem
before, but can't remember which setting fixed it. (In my case, it's the
result of using a combination of JAWS and the Dectalk Express
synthesizer.)
I've also had to remove the check for inline frames, change my forms
fields
sounds again, and so on. At least I could copy over my dictionary.jdf
file,
which would have been a nightmare to restore. JAWS 17 changed the pitch
of
my synthesizer to a level that irritated my ears and spoiled my
comprehension. It took at least an hour to figure out that in voice
profiles, you can't change pitch when the synth is set to "all," but a
pitch
dialog does appear when you try to change the PC cursor, JAWS cursor,
etc.,
default. A whole lot of reconstruction that shouldn't be necessary.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:15 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Technical whizzes? We're not talking programming, or scripting, or
anything
very difficult! For instance, I don't use typing echo, except in
spreadsheets, where errors can be hard to find and fix. Accordingly, I
just
tweak Excel to speak characters, while allowing other programs to run
with
Typing Echo off. Maybe I run more out of the box than many folks here
do,
but that really isn't rocket science, requiring only a few seconds to
set
and save. I like the merge feature, but, as I said earlier, I
deliberately
did not merge 15's settings to 16, in order to avoid some minor file
corruption that occurred in 15--no big deal.

Having said that, I don't know when I'll switch to 17, simply because 16
is
one of the coolest versions I've ever run, and I am reluctant to give it
up.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:55 PM
To: 'Bissett, Tom'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Tom:

For you, it may not be a "show stopper". However, for some of us, it
would
appear to be. We can not all be technical wizzes! And, such
screen-reading
programmes should work for "everyone", technically inclined or not!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

If you recall we had the same situation going from jaws 12 to jaws 13.
Because of the number and type of changes a merge was not possible. We
are
seeing the same situation again. I am sure FS will have a merge moving
from
17 to 18.
I realize it is an inconvenience but really! Itss not a show stopper.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of judith bron
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: judith bron
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

When Freedom scientific first began way back when their mission statement
was to provide a program to the blind and visually impaired world that
would
allow them to work the computer using keystrokes rather than a mouse.
We've
come a long way since then but it seems that part of the mission
statement
has been lost in the mire. Business has to keep progressing but losing
sight of your mission eventually reduces all the economic progress.
There
are other screen readers. I hope FS doesn't wake up one day to hear that
their popularity and standing in the blind community has been replaced by
another company.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:50 PM
To: 'Pablo Morales'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Pablo :

Sorry, I had replied to this in the incorrect manner; so, I am resending
my
reply to your message below.

****************

Anyone wishing to complain about "no Merge Utility in JAWS 17" should
send
their concerns to:

suggestions@freedomscientific.com

This was the advice, from JAWS Technical Support, that I got in response
to
my sending my concerns to them. So, I took the technical support person
at
his word, and sent my concerns accordingly. So far though, there has
been
no reply from FS!

However, the more people who do share their concerns in this way, the
more
likely that FS will do something - constructive! So, come on people,
strike
a blow for those who need/want to keep access to their JAWS settings on
their PCs!

Thank you.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Writing to where?
I need merge utility, I can't not be ,re writing all commands or
configurations every time, it is time consuming.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:23 PM
To: 'Tom Behler'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Dr. Tom Behler:

Thanks. Did you follow up by writing to the "suggestions" link in the
body
of that generic response? I think that this is where the power-to-change
exists within FS.

"Power to the people!"

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Jim and all:

I sent my letter of discontent in early this morning, and got the generic
response.

Hopefully others will do the same.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Well, I must say that it is most gratifying to see that lots of other
JAWS
users are upset with losing the Merge Utility! I hate to be the only one
screaming in the wilderness. I have already used the below link to
complain, and received the typical FS reply that someone would be in
touch.
I agree that the more people who let FS know about their feelings on
this,
and any other, matter, makes a lot of sense. It is the noisy wheel that
gets greased! Let's keep those cards and letters coming in!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

What's the traffic volume like on the JAWS-Users group?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:41 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up 1
of
someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time
anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think & go
on
their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it
might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf
ears,
so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't
changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of
making
1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you
feel,
& that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a member
of
this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the
list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested.

To join:

jaws-users-list-join@jaws-users.com

Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the
message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply
to
it & you should be good to go.

It's not a real high traffic list.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Mike,

Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the
air

is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and volume
can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By
volume,
I

mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to
fix
it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur.

I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from one
version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know
that
persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS
over
time.

But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to
version,
and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must
pay
for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two years,
but now to go through such inconvenience as well?

As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one.
Otherwise,
it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again, the
address is

support@freedomscientific.com

I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are
we
supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change
the
fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with
their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many
years,
& when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass
email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me
that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule
is
to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether
it's
ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of
transition
from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this
concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I
believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in
JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in
skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech
Support
at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about
the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process.
This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these
changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from
prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future
which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone
on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we
might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature
again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and
ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this
is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start
all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years?
Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Furder more, I am amaized that some people can determan what is
difficult for all and what is easy for everyone. Since when? What is
easy for me might be difficult for you and vice versa. When will the
stupid human rase learn that simple principal.

On 16/11/2015, Soronel Haetir via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Oh, those are the <synthesizer-name>.spl files

On 11/16/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Thanks, Soronel, and I'll make a note of this. However, I haven't changed
that file. I just can't get JAWS 17 to verbalize the existing standard
symbols. I vaguely recall making some adjustment somewhere to correct the
problem, but can't remember where. I assume the problem lies in my using
a
wonderful but senile Dectalk Express as my synthesizer.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Soronel Haetir
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Changes to the insert symbol dialog are accomplished by editing the
lists in vkeyboard.jsm (and then re-compiling vkeyboard.jss)

On 11/16/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
It's more complicated than that. I keep encountering new problems whose
solutions I'd figured out in the past but had to analyze all over again.
Fixes can also be time-consuming. I'm now having to re-enter all my old
placemarkers. Last night I discovered that JAWS isn't verbalizing
symbols
I
enter via the JAWS insert-4 symbols list. I think I encountered this
problem
before, but can't remember which setting fixed it. (In my case, it's the
result of using a combination of JAWS and the Dectalk Express
synthesizer.)
I've also had to remove the check for inline frames, change my forms
fields
sounds again, and so on. At least I could copy over my dictionary.jdf
file,
which would have been a nightmare to restore. JAWS 17 changed the pitch
of
my synthesizer to a level that irritated my ears and spoiled my
comprehension. It took at least an hour to figure out that in voice
profiles, you can't change pitch when the synth is set to "all," but a
pitch
dialog does appear when you try to change the PC cursor, JAWS cursor,
etc.,
default. A whole lot of reconstruction that shouldn't be necessary.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:15 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Technical whizzes? We're not talking programming, or scripting, or
anything
very difficult! For instance, I don't use typing echo, except in
spreadsheets, where errors can be hard to find and fix. Accordingly, I
just
tweak Excel to speak characters, while allowing other programs to run
with
Typing Echo off. Maybe I run more out of the box than many folks here
do,
but that really isn't rocket science, requiring only a few seconds to
set
and save. I like the merge feature, but, as I said earlier, I
deliberately
did not merge 15's settings to 16, in order to avoid some minor file
corruption that occurred in 15--no big deal.

Having said that, I don't know when I'll switch to 17, simply because 16
is
one of the coolest versions I've ever run, and I am reluctant to give
it
up.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:55 PM
To: 'Bissett, Tom'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Tom:

For you, it may not be a "show stopper". However, for some of us, it
would
appear to be. We can not all be technical wizzes! And, such
screen-reading
programmes should work for "everyone", technically inclined or not!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

If you recall we had the same situation going from jaws 12 to jaws 13.
Because of the number and type of changes a merge was not possible. We
are
seeing the same situation again. I am sure FS will have a merge moving
from
17 to 18.
I realize it is an inconvenience but really! Itss not a show stopper.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of judith
bron
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: judith bron
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

When Freedom scientific first began way back when their mission
statement
was to provide a program to the blind and visually impaired world that
would
allow them to work the computer using keystrokes rather than a mouse.
We've
come a long way since then but it seems that part of the mission
statement
has been lost in the mire. Business has to keep progressing but losing
sight of your mission eventually reduces all the economic progress.
There
are other screen readers. I hope FS doesn't wake up one day to hear
that
their popularity and standing in the blind community has been replaced
by
another company.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:50 PM
To: 'Pablo Morales'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Pablo :

Sorry, I had replied to this in the incorrect manner; so, I am resending
my
reply to your message below.

****************

Anyone wishing to complain about "no Merge Utility in JAWS 17" should
send
their concerns to:

suggestions@freedomscientific.com

This was the advice, from JAWS Technical Support, that I got in response
to
my sending my concerns to them. So, I took the technical support person
at
his word, and sent my concerns accordingly. So far though, there has
been
no reply from FS!

However, the more people who do share their concerns in this way, the
more
likely that FS will do something - constructive! So, come on people,
strike
a blow for those who need/want to keep access to their JAWS settings on
their PCs!

Thank you.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Writing to where?
I need merge utility, I can't not be ,re writing all commands or
configurations every time, it is time consuming.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:23 PM
To: 'Tom Behler'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Dr. Tom Behler:

Thanks. Did you follow up by writing to the "suggestions" link in the
body
of that generic response? I think that this is where the
power-to-change
exists within FS.

"Power to the people!"

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Jim and all:

I sent my letter of discontent in early this morning, and got the
generic
response.

Hopefully others will do the same.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Well, I must say that it is most gratifying to see that lots of other
JAWS
users are upset with losing the Merge Utility! I hate to be the only
one
screaming in the wilderness. I have already used the below link to
complain, and received the typical FS reply that someone would be in
touch.
I agree that the more people who let FS know about their feelings on
this,
and any other, matter, makes a lot of sense. It is the noisy wheel that
gets greased! Let's keep those cards and letters coming in!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

What's the traffic volume like on the JAWS-Users group?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:41 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up
1
of
someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time
anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think &
go
on
their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it
might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf
ears,
so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't
changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of
making
1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you
feel,
& that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a
member
of
this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the
list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested.

To join:

jaws-users-list-join@jaws-users.com

Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the
message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply
to
it & you should be good to go.

It's not a real high traffic list.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Mike,

Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the
air

is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and
volume
can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By
volume,
I

mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to
fix
it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur.

I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from
one
version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know
that
persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS
over
time.

But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to
version,
and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must
pay
for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two
years,
but now to go through such inconvenience as well?

As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one.
Otherwise,
it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again,
the
address is

support@freedomscientific.com

I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are
we
supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change
the
fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up
with
their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many
years,
& when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass
email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to
me
that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule
is
to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether
it's
ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of
transition
from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this
concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I
believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in
JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in
skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these
days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech
Support
at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about
the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This
comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process.
This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these
changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from
prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future
which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone
on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we
might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this
point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature
again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and
ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this
is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start
all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years?
Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Adrian,

What do you mean by your standard symbols aren't being spoken? Is it
possible that your punctuation level setting has been changed? Try setting
the punctuation level to, Some, to see if this helps. Or, am I way off
track?
Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Soronel Haetir via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Oh, those are the <synthesizer-name>.spl files

On 11/16/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Thanks, Soronel, and I'll make a note of this. However, I haven't changed
that file. I just can't get JAWS 17 to verbalize the existing standard
symbols. I vaguely recall making some adjustment somewhere to correct the
problem, but can't remember where. I assume the problem lies in my using a
wonderful but senile Dectalk Express as my synthesizer.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Soronel Haetir
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Changes to the insert symbol dialog are accomplished by editing the
lists in vkeyboard.jsm (and then re-compiling vkeyboard.jss)

On 11/16/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
It's more complicated than that. I keep encountering new problems whose
solutions I'd figured out in the past but had to analyze all over again.
Fixes can also be time-consuming. I'm now having to re-enter all my old
placemarkers. Last night I discovered that JAWS isn't verbalizing symbols
I
enter via the JAWS insert-4 symbols list. I think I encountered this
problem
before, but can't remember which setting fixed it. (In my case, it's the
result of using a combination of JAWS and the Dectalk Express
synthesizer.)
I've also had to remove the check for inline frames, change my forms
fields
sounds again, and so on. At least I could copy over my dictionary.jdf
file,
which would have been a nightmare to restore. JAWS 17 changed the pitch
of
my synthesizer to a level that irritated my ears and spoiled my
comprehension. It took at least an hour to figure out that in voice
profiles, you can't change pitch when the synth is set to "all," but a
pitch
dialog does appear when you try to change the PC cursor, JAWS cursor,
etc.,
default. A whole lot of reconstruction that shouldn't be necessary.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:15 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Technical whizzes? We're not talking programming, or scripting, or
anything
very difficult! For instance, I don't use typing echo, except in
spreadsheets, where errors can be hard to find and fix. Accordingly, I
just
tweak Excel to speak characters, while allowing other programs to run
with
Typing Echo off. Maybe I run more out of the box than many folks here
do,
but that really isn't rocket science, requiring only a few seconds to
set
and save. I like the merge feature, but, as I said earlier, I
deliberately
did not merge 15's settings to 16, in order to avoid some minor file
corruption that occurred in 15--no big deal.

Having said that, I don't know when I'll switch to 17, simply because 16
is
one of the coolest versions I've ever run, and I am reluctant to give it
up.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:55 PM
To: 'Bissett, Tom'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Tom:

For you, it may not be a "show stopper". However, for some of us, it
would
appear to be. We can not all be technical wizzes! And, such
screen-reading
programmes should work for "everyone", technically inclined or not!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

If you recall we had the same situation going from jaws 12 to jaws 13.
Because of the number and type of changes a merge was not possible. We
are
seeing the same situation again. I am sure FS will have a merge moving
from
17 to 18.
I realize it is an inconvenience but really! Itss not a show stopper.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of judith bron
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: judith bron
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

When Freedom scientific first began way back when their mission statement
was to provide a program to the blind and visually impaired world that
would
allow them to work the computer using keystrokes rather than a mouse.
We've
come a long way since then but it seems that part of the mission
statement
has been lost in the mire. Business has to keep progressing but losing
sight of your mission eventually reduces all the economic progress.
There
are other screen readers. I hope FS doesn't wake up one day to hear that
their popularity and standing in the blind community has been replaced by
another company.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:50 PM
To: 'Pablo Morales'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Pablo :

Sorry, I had replied to this in the incorrect manner; so, I am resending
my
reply to your message below.

****************

Anyone wishing to complain about "no Merge Utility in JAWS 17" should
send
their concerns to:

suggestions@freedomscientific.com

This was the advice, from JAWS Technical Support, that I got in response
to
my sending my concerns to them. So, I took the technical support person
at
his word, and sent my concerns accordingly. So far though, there has
been
no reply from FS!

However, the more people who do share their concerns in this way, the
more
likely that FS will do something - constructive! So, come on people,
strike
a blow for those who need/want to keep access to their JAWS settings on
their PCs!

Thank you.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Writing to where?
I need merge utility, I can't not be ,re writing all commands or
configurations every time, it is time consuming.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:23 PM
To: 'Tom Behler'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Dr. Tom Behler:

Thanks. Did you follow up by writing to the "suggestions" link in the
body
of that generic response? I think that this is where the power-to-change
exists within FS.

"Power to the people!"

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Jim and all:

I sent my letter of discontent in early this morning, and got the generic
response.

Hopefully others will do the same.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Well, I must say that it is most gratifying to see that lots of other
JAWS
users are upset with losing the Merge Utility! I hate to be the only one
screaming in the wilderness. I have already used the below link to
complain, and received the typical FS reply that someone would be in
touch.
I agree that the more people who let FS know about their feelings on
this,
and any other, matter, makes a lot of sense. It is the noisy wheel that
gets greased! Let's keep those cards and letters coming in!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

What's the traffic volume like on the JAWS-Users group?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:41 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up 1
of
someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time
anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think & go
on
their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it
might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf
ears,
so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't
changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of
making
1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you
feel,
& that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a member
of
this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the
list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested.

To join:

jaws-users-list-join@jaws-users.com

Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the
message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply
to
it & you should be good to go.

It's not a real high traffic list.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Mike,

Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the
air

is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and volume
can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By
volume,
I

mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to
fix
it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur.

I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from one
version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know
that
persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS
over
time.

But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to
version,
and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must
pay
for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two years,
but now to go through such inconvenience as well?

As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one.
Otherwise,
it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again, the
address is

support@freedomscientific.com

I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are
we
supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change
the
fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with
their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many
years,
& when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass
email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me
that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule
is
to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether
it's
ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of
transition
from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this
concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I
believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in
JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in
skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech
Support
at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about
the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process.
This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these
changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from
prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future
which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone
on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we
might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature
again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and
ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this
is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start
all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years?
Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Downloading Podcasts

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

We had a discussion a while back on downloading podcasts via the time-tested right mouse click.; I stated that doesn't seem to work on my office platform, at least not on the FS site.

It still doesn't, but I found an easy alternative, which I pass along for anyone else in my boat. Start the podcast, engage the file menu, and choose save as. I'm going to try that technique on another site that has an archived broadcast I have long wanted, which will probably never be aired again.

Ted


Ted Lisle, PH.D., Medicaid services Specialist; phone: (502) 564-2574, X 2054; Fax: (502) 564-2228.


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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Soronel Haetir
 

Oh, those are the <synthesizer-name>.spl files

On 11/16/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Thanks, Soronel, and I'll make a note of this. However, I haven't changed
that file. I just can't get JAWS 17 to verbalize the existing standard
symbols. I vaguely recall making some adjustment somewhere to correct the
problem, but can't remember where. I assume the problem lies in my using a
wonderful but senile Dectalk Express as my synthesizer.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Soronel Haetir
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Changes to the insert symbol dialog are accomplished by editing the
lists in vkeyboard.jsm (and then re-compiling vkeyboard.jss)

On 11/16/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
It's more complicated than that. I keep encountering new problems whose
solutions I'd figured out in the past but had to analyze all over again.
Fixes can also be time-consuming. I'm now having to re-enter all my old
placemarkers. Last night I discovered that JAWS isn't verbalizing symbols
I
enter via the JAWS insert-4 symbols list. I think I encountered this
problem
before, but can't remember which setting fixed it. (In my case, it's the
result of using a combination of JAWS and the Dectalk Express
synthesizer.)
I've also had to remove the check for inline frames, change my forms
fields
sounds again, and so on. At least I could copy over my dictionary.jdf
file,
which would have been a nightmare to restore. JAWS 17 changed the pitch
of
my synthesizer to a level that irritated my ears and spoiled my
comprehension. It took at least an hour to figure out that in voice
profiles, you can't change pitch when the synth is set to "all," but a
pitch
dialog does appear when you try to change the PC cursor, JAWS cursor,
etc.,
default. A whole lot of reconstruction that shouldn't be necessary.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:15 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Technical whizzes? We're not talking programming, or scripting, or
anything
very difficult! For instance, I don't use typing echo, except in
spreadsheets, where errors can be hard to find and fix. Accordingly, I
just
tweak Excel to speak characters, while allowing other programs to run
with
Typing Echo off. Maybe I run more out of the box than many folks here
do,
but that really isn't rocket science, requiring only a few seconds to
set
and save. I like the merge feature, but, as I said earlier, I
deliberately
did not merge 15's settings to 16, in order to avoid some minor file
corruption that occurred in 15--no big deal.

Having said that, I don't know when I'll switch to 17, simply because 16
is
one of the coolest versions I've ever run, and I am reluctant to give it
up.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:55 PM
To: 'Bissett, Tom'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Tom:

For you, it may not be a "show stopper". However, for some of us, it
would
appear to be. We can not all be technical wizzes! And, such
screen-reading
programmes should work for "everyone", technically inclined or not!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

If you recall we had the same situation going from jaws 12 to jaws 13.
Because of the number and type of changes a merge was not possible. We
are
seeing the same situation again. I am sure FS will have a merge moving
from
17 to 18.
I realize it is an inconvenience but really! Itss not a show stopper.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of judith bron
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: judith bron
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

When Freedom scientific first began way back when their mission statement
was to provide a program to the blind and visually impaired world that
would
allow them to work the computer using keystrokes rather than a mouse.
We've
come a long way since then but it seems that part of the mission
statement
has been lost in the mire. Business has to keep progressing but losing
sight of your mission eventually reduces all the economic progress.
There
are other screen readers. I hope FS doesn't wake up one day to hear that
their popularity and standing in the blind community has been replaced by
another company.
-----Original Message-----
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Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:50 PM
To: 'Pablo Morales'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Pablo :

Sorry, I had replied to this in the incorrect manner; so, I am resending
my
reply to your message below.

****************

Anyone wishing to complain about "no Merge Utility in JAWS 17" should
send
their concerns to:

suggestions@freedomscientific.com

This was the advice, from JAWS Technical Support, that I got in response
to
my sending my concerns to them. So, I took the technical support person
at
his word, and sent my concerns accordingly. So far though, there has
been
no reply from FS!

However, the more people who do share their concerns in this way, the
more
likely that FS will do something - constructive! So, come on people,
strike
a blow for those who need/want to keep access to their JAWS settings on
their PCs!

Thank you.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Writing to where?
I need merge utility, I can't not be ,re writing all commands or
configurations every time, it is time consuming.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:23 PM
To: 'Tom Behler'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Dr. Tom Behler:

Thanks. Did you follow up by writing to the "suggestions" link in the
body
of that generic response? I think that this is where the power-to-change
exists within FS.

"Power to the people!"

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Jim and all:

I sent my letter of discontent in early this morning, and got the generic
response.

Hopefully others will do the same.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


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Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Well, I must say that it is most gratifying to see that lots of other
JAWS
users are upset with losing the Merge Utility! I hate to be the only one
screaming in the wilderness. I have already used the below link to
complain, and received the typical FS reply that someone would be in
touch.
I agree that the more people who let FS know about their feelings on
this,
and any other, matter, makes a lot of sense. It is the noisy wheel that
gets greased! Let's keep those cards and letters coming in!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

What's the traffic volume like on the JAWS-Users group?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:41 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up 1
of
someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time
anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think & go
on
their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it
might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf
ears,
so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't
changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of
making
1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you
feel,
& that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a member
of
this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the
list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested.

To join:

jaws-users-list-join@jaws-users.com

Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the
message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply
to
it & you should be good to go.

It's not a real high traffic list.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Mike,

Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the
air

is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and volume
can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By
volume,
I

mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to
fix
it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur.

I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from one
version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know
that
persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS
over
time.

But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to
version,
and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must
pay
for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two years,
but now to go through such inconvenience as well?

As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one.
Otherwise,
it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again, the
address is

support@freedomscientific.com

I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are
we
supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change
the
fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with
their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many
years,
& when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass
email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me
that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule
is
to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether
it's
ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of
transition
from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this
concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I
believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in
JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in
skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech
Support
at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about
the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process.
This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these
changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from
prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future
which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone
on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we
might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature
again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and
ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this
is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start
all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years?
Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Adrian Spratt
 

Thanks, Soronel, and I'll make a note of this. However, I haven't changed that file. I just can't get JAWS 17 to verbalize the existing standard symbols. I vaguely recall making some adjustment somewhere to correct the problem, but can't remember where. I assume the problem lies in my using a wonderful but senile Dectalk Express as my synthesizer.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Soronel Haetir
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Changes to the insert symbol dialog are accomplished by editing the
lists in vkeyboard.jsm (and then re-compiling vkeyboard.jss)

On 11/16/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
It's more complicated than that. I keep encountering new problems whose
solutions I'd figured out in the past but had to analyze all over again.
Fixes can also be time-consuming. I'm now having to re-enter all my old
placemarkers. Last night I discovered that JAWS isn't verbalizing symbols I
enter via the JAWS insert-4 symbols list. I think I encountered this problem
before, but can't remember which setting fixed it. (In my case, it's the
result of using a combination of JAWS and the Dectalk Express synthesizer.)
I've also had to remove the check for inline frames, change my forms fields
sounds again, and so on. At least I could copy over my dictionary.jdf file,
which would have been a nightmare to restore. JAWS 17 changed the pitch of
my synthesizer to a level that irritated my ears and spoiled my
comprehension. It took at least an hour to figure out that in voice
profiles, you can't change pitch when the synth is set to "all," but a pitch
dialog does appear when you try to change the PC cursor, JAWS cursor, etc.,
default. A whole lot of reconstruction that shouldn't be necessary.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:15 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Technical whizzes? We're not talking programming, or scripting, or anything
very difficult! For instance, I don't use typing echo, except in
spreadsheets, where errors can be hard to find and fix. Accordingly, I just
tweak Excel to speak characters, while allowing other programs to run with
Typing Echo off. Maybe I run more out of the box than many folks here do,
but that really isn't rocket science, requiring only a few seconds to set
and save. I like the merge feature, but, as I said earlier, I deliberately
did not merge 15's settings to 16, in order to avoid some minor file
corruption that occurred in 15--no big deal.

Having said that, I don't know when I'll switch to 17, simply because 16 is
one of the coolest versions I've ever run, and I am reluctant to give it
up.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:55 PM
To: 'Bissett, Tom'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Tom:

For you, it may not be a "show stopper". However, for some of us, it would
appear to be. We can not all be technical wizzes! And, such screen-reading
programmes should work for "everyone", technically inclined or not!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

If you recall we had the same situation going from jaws 12 to jaws 13.
Because of the number and type of changes a merge was not possible. We are
seeing the same situation again. I am sure FS will have a merge moving
from
17 to 18.
I realize it is an inconvenience but really! Itss not a show stopper.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of judith bron
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: judith bron
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

When Freedom scientific first began way back when their mission statement
was to provide a program to the blind and visually impaired world that would
allow them to work the computer using keystrokes rather than a mouse. We've
come a long way since then but it seems that part of the mission statement
has been lost in the mire. Business has to keep progressing but losing
sight of your mission eventually reduces all the economic progress. There
are other screen readers. I hope FS doesn't wake up one day to hear that
their popularity and standing in the blind community has been replaced by
another company.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:50 PM
To: 'Pablo Morales'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Pablo :

Sorry, I had replied to this in the incorrect manner; so, I am resending my
reply to your message below.

****************

Anyone wishing to complain about "no Merge Utility in JAWS 17" should send
their concerns to:

suggestions@freedomscientific.com

This was the advice, from JAWS Technical Support, that I got in response to
my sending my concerns to them. So, I took the technical support person at
his word, and sent my concerns accordingly. So far though, there has been
no reply from FS!

However, the more people who do share their concerns in this way, the more
likely that FS will do something - constructive! So, come on people, strike
a blow for those who need/want to keep access to their JAWS settings on
their PCs!

Thank you.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Writing to where?
I need merge utility, I can't not be ,re writing all commands or
configurations every time, it is time consuming.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:23 PM
To: 'Tom Behler'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Dr. Tom Behler:

Thanks. Did you follow up by writing to the "suggestions" link in the body
of that generic response? I think that this is where the power-to-change
exists within FS.

"Power to the people!"

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Jim and all:

I sent my letter of discontent in early this morning, and got the generic
response.

Hopefully others will do the same.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Well, I must say that it is most gratifying to see that lots of other JAWS
users are upset with losing the Merge Utility! I hate to be the only one
screaming in the wilderness. I have already used the below link to
complain, and received the typical FS reply that someone would be in touch.
I agree that the more people who let FS know about their feelings on this,
and any other, matter, makes a lot of sense. It is the noisy wheel that
gets greased! Let's keep those cards and letters coming in!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

What's the traffic volume like on the JAWS-Users group?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:41 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up 1 of
someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time
anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think & go on
their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it
might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf ears,
so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't
changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of
making
1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you feel,
& that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a member of
this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the
list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested.

To join:

jaws-users-list-join@jaws-users.com

Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the
message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply to
it & you should be good to go.

It's not a real high traffic list.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Mike,

Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the
air

is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and volume
can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By volume,
I

mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to fix
it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur.

I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from one
version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know that
persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS over
time.

But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to version,
and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must pay
for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two years,
but now to go through such inconvenience as well?

As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one. Otherwise,
it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again, the
address is

support@freedomscientific.com

I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are we
supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change the
fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with
their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many years,
& when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass
email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me
that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule is
to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether it's
ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of transition
from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this
concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I
believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in
JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in
skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech Support
at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this
is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: Dectalk Express, pitch higher in JAWS 17

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Sorry about the question, as I've since seen your response. The pitch change is an individual option anyway. For instance, in Eloquence I always raise Shelly, my JAWS cursor voice, to about 85%. In my opinion, the female Eloquence voices aren't as good as the males. As for Bobby, I'd swat that little twit upside the head if I had to hang around him too long.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: Dectalk Express, pitch higher in JAWS 17

Are you saying you can't change pitch in Voice Adjustment? You should be able to set it the way you want it, and have it stick. I have fond memories of my old DecTalk board from the 1990s, especially Betty.
Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 9:26 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: Dectalk Express, pitch higher in JAWS 17

Thank you, Dennis. I really appreciate this thoughtful response. I'm a non-tech guy, and so talk of command strings makes me nervous, but I'll look at the page you refer me to. If anything else occurs to you, I'm all ears.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 8:38 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Re: Dectalk Express, pitch higher in JAWS 17

Hi Adrian,
Seems weird, but perhaps Jaws is sending a command string to the DEC talk when Jaws loads. I'm posting a link below which will take you to a page which discusses, demonstrates and has some documentation for a current text to speech chip which is sort of the current DEC talk. There is a DEC talk manual on the page which should give command strings for the chip which may still be valid for your DEC talk. The link is:

http://www.grandideastudio.com/portfolio/emic-2-text-to-speech-module/

I will keep pondering this one, and let you know if I think of anything.
best,
Dennis


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 4:29 AM
Subject: Dectalk Express, pitch higher in JAWS 17


I'm trying to figure out how to restore the pitch of my preferred
voice, Paul, in JAWS 17. It is much higher than in previous versions
of JAWS. I don't know why this should be, since I wouldn't have
thought JAWS had anything to do with pitch. I find no pitch control in
the JAWS voice menus, other than for uppercase letters. I'm unaware of
any pitch control in Dectalk Express itself.

I've experimented with the other voice options on my version of
Dectalk Express, but I can't stand any of them. also, I've set the
speed setting to exactly the same rate as I've had it before.

This is obscure for most JAWS users, but does anyone have any ideas?
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Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
 

On my computer I just downloaded the MP3 to my downloads folder and hit
enter on it and it played fine. Win7. J16 nothing special. Hope this
helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 7:51 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

I've never saved MP3's that way, but they generally work when I call them.
What's so special about this one?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Gerald Levy
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.


Because the tutorial is an MP3 file, you must save it in the Audio+Podcasts
folder on your flash drive, just like any other MP3 file. If your flash
drive does not already have a folder labled Audio+Podcasts, you need to
create one.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Holdeman via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 1:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Stan Holdeman
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

How did you do that? I copied the tutorial to a drive where I have other NLS
books, but my player did not find the tutorial file .

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:52 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Gerald Levy
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.


I had no problem downloading this tutorial and listening to it on my NLS
Digital Talking Book player.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Holdeman via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:45 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Stan Holdeman
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

When I try to run the tutorial Media Player gives me an error message and is
not able to run the tutorial.

Is this just me, or are others experiencing the problem?

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 5:34 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Moore
Subject: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

Hi all,
Here is the tutorial on Google Chrome Browser that I have promised you. It
is a Audio MP3 file that will play on about anything. I go over how to save
files, and use Surfs Up to demonstrate everything you need to know about
using different combo boxes and all you need to know when using a browser. I
hope you enjoy it. It is an hour long. The link below is a drop box link. I
fixed my drop box, so this link should work fine. Enter on the link and a
page will open up. Go to almost to the bottom of the page and enter on the
download link. You can save it to your computer. I hope you can get even
more out of Google Chrome. Here is the link below.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ni7ydojdlehiqsc/Tutorial%20for%20Google%20Chrome.m
p3?dl=0
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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

As I said, I guess I run pretty much out of the box. It's a little more complicated here at work, but not much.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:33 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

It's more complicated than that. I keep encountering new problems whose solutions I'd figured out in the past but had to analyze all over again. Fixes can also be time-consuming. I'm now having to re-enter all my old placemarkers. Last night I discovered that JAWS isn't verbalizing symbols I enter via the JAWS insert-4 symbols list. I think I encountered this problem before, but can't remember which setting fixed it. (In my case, it's the result of using a combination of JAWS and the Dectalk Express synthesizer.) I've also had to remove the check for inline frames, change my forms fields sounds again, and so on. At least I could copy over my dictionary.jdf file, which would have been a nightmare to restore. JAWS 17 changed the pitch of my synthesizer to a level that irritated my ears and spoiled my comprehension. It took at least an hour to figure out that in voice profiles, you can't change pitch when the synth is set to "all," but a pitch dialog does appear when you try to change the PC cursor, JAWS cursor, etc., default. A whole lot of reconstruction that shouldn't be necessary.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:15 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Technical whizzes? We're not talking programming, or scripting, or anything very difficult! For instance, I don't use typing echo, except in spreadsheets, where errors can be hard to find and fix. Accordingly, I just tweak Excel to speak characters, while allowing other programs to run with Typing Echo off. Maybe I run more out of the box than many folks here do, but that really isn't rocket science, requiring only a few seconds to set and save. I like the merge feature, but, as I said earlier, I deliberately did not merge 15's settings to 16, in order to avoid some minor file corruption that occurred in 15--no big deal.

Having said that, I don't know when I'll switch to 17, simply because 16 is one of the coolest versions I've ever run, and I am reluctant to give it up.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:55 PM
To: 'Bissett, Tom'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Tom:

For you, it may not be a "show stopper". However, for some of us, it would appear to be. We can not all be technical wizzes! And, such screen-reading programmes should work for "everyone", technically inclined or not!

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

If you recall we had the same situation going from jaws 12 to jaws 13.
Because of the number and type of changes a merge was not possible. We are seeing the same situation again. I am sure FS will have a merge moving from
17 to 18.
I realize it is an inconvenience but really! Itss not a show stopper.
Tom Bisset
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of judith bron via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: judith bron
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

When Freedom scientific first began way back when their mission statement was to provide a program to the blind and visually impaired world that would allow them to work the computer using keystrokes rather than a mouse. We've come a long way since then but it seems that part of the mission statement has been lost in the mire. Business has to keep progressing but losing sight of your mission eventually reduces all the economic progress. There are other screen readers. I hope FS doesn't wake up one day to hear that their popularity and standing in the blind community has been replaced by another company.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:50 PM
To: 'Pablo Morales'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Pablo :

Sorry, I had replied to this in the incorrect manner; so, I am resending my reply to your message below.

****************

Anyone wishing to complain about "no Merge Utility in JAWS 17" should send their concerns to:

suggestions@freedomscientific.com

This was the advice, from JAWS Technical Support, that I got in response to my sending my concerns to them. So, I took the technical support person at his word, and sent my concerns accordingly. So far though, there has been no reply from FS!

However, the more people who do share their concerns in this way, the more likely that FS will do something - constructive! So, come on people, strike a blow for those who need/want to keep access to their JAWS settings on their PCs!

Thank you.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 2:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Writing to where?
I need merge utility, I can't not be ,re writing all commands or configurations every time, it is time consuming.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 1:23 PM
To: 'Tom Behler'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Dr. Tom Behler:

Thanks. Did you follow up by writing to the "suggestions" link in the body of that generic response? I think that this is where the power-to-change exists within FS.

"Power to the people!"

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Jim and all:

I sent my letter of discontent in early this morning, and got the generic response.

Hopefully others will do the same.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:37 PM
To: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Well, I must say that it is most gratifying to see that lots of other JAWS users are upset with losing the Merge Utility! I hate to be the only one screaming in the wilderness. I have already used the below link to complain, and received the typical FS reply that someone would be in touch.
I agree that the more people who let FS know about their feelings on this, and any other, matter, makes a lot of sense. It is the noisy wheel that gets greased! Let's keep those cards and letters coming in!

Jim H

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From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

What's the traffic volume like on the JAWS-Users group?

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:41 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up 1 of someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think & go on their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf ears, so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of making
1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you feel, & that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a member of this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested.

To join:

jaws-users-list-join@jaws-users.com

Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply to it & you should be good to go.

It's not a real high traffic list.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Mike,

Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the air

is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and volume can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By volume, I

mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to fix it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur.

I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from one version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know that persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS over time.

But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to version, and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must pay for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two years, but now to go through such inconvenience as well?

As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one. Otherwise, it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again, the address is

support@freedomscientific.com

I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are we supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change the fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many years, & when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule is to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether it's ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of transition from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech Support at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes, the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point, and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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following a schedule

Mario
 

hi all, I am having trouble following the schedule of shows at:
https://twit.tv/schedule

is there a way to copy the schedule posted into a word table or something else to make it more comprehensive to follow?


FW: FOCB Spaghetti Dinner@Lone Legion Brotherhood Motorcycle Clubhouse

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

You won't see the attachment, but this landed in my in box. I suspect my membership in this list may be the reason I got it, so if I got it, I'll bet others did too. I'm in Kentucky, so a spaghetti dinner in Southern Florida is of little use or interest to me. List owner, please take note.

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Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 9:53 AM
To: Florida Outreach Center for the Blind
Subject: FOCB Spaghetti Dinner@Lone Legion Brotherhood Motorcycle Clubhouse

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Re: Any disk copy software that works with JAWS?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

The Sonic-Roxio product family works pretty well. Inserting a disk should give you a series of choices, including copy. If you choose DiskCopy, thing should proceed more or less automatically, whether you have one drive or two.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tesar via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 9:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Peter Tesar
Subject: Any disk copy software that works with JAWS?

Hello,

What doJAWS users use to perform disk copy? I would like text base
rather than the drag and drop method. Windows 10 does not seem to have
such a utility.

Until now, I have used Windows to select files or folders to send to
theburner. I haven't had any need for 3rd party software.

Thanks.

Peter T
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