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Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I wish that were all there was to it. As stated last week, Last time I used it, it took a sighted friend to help me restart. The repair went well, but it was still a hassle. I doubt it's the same version (mine was put on almost two years ago), but that was enough for me until FS says otherwise.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 11:36 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Gerald Levy
Subject: Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites


Which explains why Eric Damery still advises JAWS users to avoid Chrome. As far as he is concerned, Chrome is still not ready yet for prime time.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 10:51 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Hi.

I can't get favorites, which Chrome calls bookmarks, to work as quickly as they do in IE. Here's what I've figured out so far. I hope the gaps can be filled in.

You get to bookmarks by pressing alt for the menu, then arrowing down. Press enter on bookmarks. Here, I'm told that the shortcut control-shift-b brings up bookmarks, but that shortcut isn't working on my system when I'm outside this menu. Each time I have to go through the menu.

In IE, I press alt-a to bring up my favorites list, and first-letter navigation works. I can't find anything this simple using Chrome.

One item in the bookmarks submenu allows you to import favorites settings. I clicked on this, tabbed through the options, and was told at the end that I was successful. However, nothing seems to have been imported.

Any ideas?
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Re: Email Ascending vs. Descending

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

It said "show as conversations box, not available."

Thanks.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
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Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 11:21 AM
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Cc: Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Email Ascending vs. Descending

MS-Outlook, or WLM, or Outlook Express? If OE, then View menu, Current
view, look for group by conversation and uncheck.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 07:35 AM
Subject: RE: Email Ascending vs. Descending


How would I do that, David?

This morning, I couldn't get into my Inbox; it said it was collapsed,
restarted, same problem. I Alted this and that, finally hit Shift F10,
and it said expand, so I entered, and at least I can get into them now. I
will try grouping. I would appreciate instruction if you know how to do
that so that I won't just try to figure it out and maybe mess up
something. Thank you.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 11:00 PM
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Cc: Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Email Ascending vs. Descending

Carolyn,

Are you grouping your messages, perhaps? If they are grouped so that each
subject requires expanding, then it will default to ascending, regardless
of your view settings. If you have descending set and are not grouping,
then I would expect them to be sorted descending.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 09:40 AM
Subject: Outlook 2013.


Yesterday, we ran a full systems scan. Since that time, I noticed that
the e-mails in my Inbox, not my others, were in descending order. I went
in and checked back on ascending. Yet, they are still coming in
descending order. Anyone have any idea how I can make it do my way,
e-mails in ascending order. I checked back, and ascending is checked.
Thanks for any ideas.



Best from,



Carolyn



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Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Dennis Clark <dennis@...>
 

Hello Ted,
I'm confused what connection there would be between Google Chrome an an email account. It would also be helpful if you could find out and post specifically what security problem your department was concerned about with Google Chrome. Which browsers have your department provided for you and your colleagues to use on the internet? Thanks for your help.
Dennis

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From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 6:28 AM
Subject: RE: Google Chrome is totally accessible


Well, if I ever get around to setting up another e-mail account, I may consider it. Interestingly enough, it was recommended that we use it here at work a year or so ago, but The Department turned it down for security reasons.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of john.falter via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:50 PM
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Cc: john.falter
Subject: Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Hi Ted:
Chrome Version 46.0.2490.80
is the version I'm using.
It seems to be working better than ever before.
I don't know how to get feeds,
and I think webvisum is not available.

On 11/6/2015 3:10 PM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw wrote:
Didn't work so great in 15 or 16 either on 7 64. When did this miraculous transformation occur; was there a recent Chrome update?

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 6:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: RE: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Back when I had XP and JAWS 13, Chrome did not work.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of dennis
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 10:53 AM
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Cc: dennis <dennisc67@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

i just started using it with windows 7 64bit and jaws 17. also works with jaws 16. only have one problem so far. when i go to amc.com there is a sign in link that doesn't show up as a link in krome. it does in firefox and IE. other than that it seams to be running pretty smoothly.

On 11/5/2015 9:46 AM, ratshtron via Jfw wrote:
its great under windows 7 32 bit. i kept having trouble with firefox
from the last update with jaws so i switched. internet explorer got
very sluggish with jaws so i started using firefox but now google
crome is much better with jaws.


Legend has it that on Thursday 11/5/2015 09:31 AM, Marshall Scott via
Jfw said:
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How accessible is Chrome under Windows 7?
Thanks,
Marshall

On Nov 5, 2015, at 2:49 AM, David Moore via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi all.
I have been experimenting with Google Chrome Browser, and I have
found that it is very accessible and easy to use. More than that, I
can open the same web site in half the time as with IE or Firefox.
It never crashes, and it is more stable than any other browser. It
is the best browser when it comes to streaming videos and other
media by far. The video never pauses for example. In IE, the same
video pauses a few times for a few seconds. Also, Google Chrome is
the easiest browser to use. Yes, I am not kidding. Simply press
enter on the browser, and the home page opens. I have mine set to
Google of course. Now, just press alt and the screen reader will say
chrome button. If you press down arrow, every setting and menu you
will ever need is in that one vertical column. The history, delete
history, book marks, are all in that one vertical menu just by
pressing the alt key on the home page. All navigation JAWS short cut
keys work in Google Chrome. I have not found anything yet that is n
ot
accessible. Also, every JAWS key command works in Chrome just like
in IE. You can just press alt + D for the address bar for example. I
will continue to play around with Google Chrome a little more, and I
will be ready to do an Audio tutorial for you guys. You will not
believe just how much better Google Chrome is over any other browser.
You will hear it with your own ears when I send you the tutorial
probably by Friday. I know some of you will use Chrome as your
default browser. God bless and have a great night. Talk to all of
you soon.
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Re: Chrome and Twitter

Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
 

Hi David,

The Qube is most interesting and I will be checking it out. I don't know
skype but I'm sure I will be contacting you during the turn_key process.

Andre

Andre Jarreau
Business, Music and Engineering

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Chrome and Twitter

Hi Andre,
You are so welcome. If you want a free twitter client, there are two others
that I would recommend that are just as good as Chicken Nugget. I know that
Chicken Nugget does cost money. Here are two more to check out that are
free. The first client is TW blue. The second one is one I use, and it is
called The Qube. Both of those are free downloads and are very good. I
really like the Qube, because you can use it with all key commands. You do
not have to work with the menus at all. I can send and reply to tweets so
fast using the Qube. Get a hold of me anytime at my personal email or on
Skype. My Skype ID is:
david.moore3507. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Jarreau via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 4:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: Chrome and Twitter

Hi David,

This is what I found using Control-L in Chrome. On my machine it works with
a minor twist. After hitting Control-L and typing or pasting a URL into the
edit field you must hit the down arrow key one time for JAWS to speak what
you have entered. Then hitting the enter key at this point takes you where
you want to go.

I'm not sure how it works on other machines but this is how it works on
mine. And works well.

Also thanks for the link for web accessible twitter and the Twitter client
Chicken Nugget you sent. I am checking out both to see which way is best.
Very encouraged and can't wait to see the podcast you come up with for
Chrome.

Andre

Andre Jarreau
Business, music and engineering
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 12:27 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Chrome and Twitter

Hi there,
Are you trying to get to Twitter's web site? If you are, just press ctrl + L
and type www.twitter.com It should go to the Twitter web site just like any
other site. I just tried it and it did. However, the Twitter main web site
is very difficult to use.
You should try this web site:
www.easychirp.com
That is an accessible web site that links into your twitter account, but it
is much easier to navigate and to use than the main Twitter site. Even
better, is to use a client like Chicken Nugget to work with your Twitter
account, because you can send and receive tweets, reply to tweets, and all
you want to do right in a desk top program instead of being on the web at
all. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Jarreau via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 4:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: Chrome and Twitter

I may be doing something wrong. At the Google home page in Chrome I want to
go to Twitter.com and can't seem to get there. Tried keystrokes common in
IE but didn't work in Chrome.



Does anyone know the keystroke commands to get to Twitter? Thanks


Re: Question about Outlook.

Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

Hi Carolyn,


I'm running Outlook 2013, and I believe you have 2010? So I don't know if
this will work for you. IN 2013, Alt-V for the View Menu, then tab 8 times
to a button that says Reverse Sort Order. Pressing Space or Enter should do
what you wish. This is another example of having to deal with the ribbons
and the challenges that result. I hope that will work for you.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 9:55 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Subject: Question about Outlook.

Anyone have a clue about what I can do to make my e-mails in my Inbox
come in Ascending order? It is checked for Ascending. Yet, in my Inbox
only, they come in descending order. I'm going to be in and out for the
next two days, but by Wednesday, I have the same problem, I'm calling
Microsoft Disability - driving me crazy. My husband doesn't get why it
annoys me like it does, but I insist that it is an unnecessary problem
that I've never had to put up with in all my computer years - no reason
to start now if I don't want to.



Best from,



Carolyn



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Re: Google Chrome and Youtube

Londa Peterson
 

This definitely works in IE. I haven't tried it with Firefox.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hello Everyone,
While going to several youtube videos using Chrome, I noticed something that
I had not noticed before using IE or Firefox. When the page launched, an
advertisement started to play, but in the background I could hear Jaws
announce that an advertisement was playing and that it could be stopped. As
I arrowed down, I could make out that there was a button to stop the
advertisement, and when I pressed the space bar, the advertisement stopped
instantly and the Youtube video immediately started playing. I am not using
the latest IE or Firefox, so it is possible that each of these browsers
report the same information, but this is the first time I have heard the
stop option. It also reports the length of the advertisement and how much
has already played. I'm curious to know if what I have described is present
with the current versions of IE and or Firefox.
Thanks,
Dennis
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Re: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Londa Peterson
 

Hi David,
Have you tried the new semi-auto forms mode yet?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 2:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Hi,
Chrome has changed a great deal in the past two years. It is a different
experience totally using it now compared to even a year ago. I will have my
tutorial ready this week after I look at many different web pages and work
with it in many situations. I can tell you that all the navigation html
commands in JAWS work in chrome. Navigating a web page is very similar to
working in IE or Firefox. One thing I have found out is that Chrome works
much much better if forms mode is set to manual. If forms mode is set to
automatic, JAWS keeps going into forms mode on Chrome. You can set this
temporarily in Chrome, and change it back. Take care and I will have much
more for you this week.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 12:36 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Subject: RE: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

I had a terrible experience with Chrome a few years back, and have been
hesitant to try again, but probably will once I review and thoroughly
understand David Moore's podcast when it becomes available.

I certainly hope FS will take Chrome on to improve its workability with
Chrome.

Does anyone have a sense of what Google's commitment to accessibility is?
I've been under the impression it's casual at best.

Thanks, Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 12:07 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Hi Dennis,
I am the original person who said that Google Chrome is totally accessible.
My name is David Moore. Well, I didn't litterly mean totally accessible, and

I was very excited after working with Chrome after two days. I got carried
away. When I saw just how much more accessible Chrome has become in the last

two years, I wondered why the blind think that it is still totally
inaccessible. A lot of Chrome is accessible, much more than the blind
realize. Dennis, It is because of what you said that I have mentioned Chrome

on so many lists, and I am encouraging the blind to try it to see for
themselves just how far its accessibility has come. It still needs work, I
know. But I am asking the same question. Why is Freedom Scientific not
putting as much work into making Chrome accessible since it is by far the
most used browser in colleges and employment. It makes me wonder and I want
the blind to think about this question. I will keep quiet and just leave it
right there. By the way, Chrome is just as accessible with NVDA as it is
with JAWS. Also, the more tools you have the better off people are. Google
Chrome may not be to the point yet to make it your default browser, but it
is a good third browser to use. It is good to have two or three screen
readers as well. When it comes to streaming TV channels and so on, Chrome
beats IE and Firefox hands down. It never crashes once on me. I use Chrome
more than IE, because IE crashes almost every time I stream video with it.
It will not even open a large web site. Chrome opens large sites twice as
fast as IE. Many web sites are accessible with Chrome. I am glad people are
realizing it. If I caused a few people to try Chrome, I have done my job
which is to help all and bring what is hidden into the light. I am
contacting Freedom Scientific on Monday and asking a lot of questions about
making Chrome totally accessible and why it hasn't been done already. I urge

all of you to do the same. Enjoy Chrome for what it can do, not for what it
can not do. Take care all, and thank you Dennis for saying what you did.


-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 7:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Pat Byrne
Subject: Re: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Dennis,
Very well said.
Pat ByrneAt 06:33 PM 11/7/2015, you wrote:
Hello Gerald and others,
At Harvard and I think Stanford, Google Chrome is used in the
programming classes for web development, so they apparently do not
share Eric Damery's opinion as presented in the email post. I would be
curious to know how recently Eric made that statement. Chrome, at least
for sighted programmers is a very important program because it can
process the HTML source code from a webpage and present it in a very
"human readable" form, as opposed to simply displaying the source code
directly in its raw form. As David Malan who teaches CS50 and other web
programming courses at Harvard explains in the first class, IE and Firefox
do not provide this capability.
He doesn't care what browsers students choose to use, he simply
explains that it will be much more difficult if one does not use Chrome
to do internet programming, because of its built-in tools.

Perhaps Eric meant that Chrome is not ready for prime time for blind
people using screen readers. If so, this is obviously very bad news for
blind programmers taking CS courses at Harvard and Stanford, since
their performance will be measured against sighted students in their
classes who are using Chrome, and the blind student's productivity will
be seriously diminished and their ability to complete their assignments
on time made almost impossible without Chrome.

Likewise, if employers are using Chrome for the same reason as David
Malan, and blind programmers can't use it, they are not going to be
hired. This isn't discrimination. The employer would be correct in
concluding that the blind programmer cannot do the job as quickly and
efficiently as a sighted programmer, so to hire the blind programmer
would mean the employer is paying the same money for less software output.

I had not looked at Chrome for almost 2 years since I tried to use it
in a programming course, and at that time I found it virtually
inaccessible using Jaws. When I downloaded it again 2 days ago after
reading an earlier email stating that it is now "totally accessible," I
was very pleased and surprised at the current level of Chrome's
accessibility. Prior to this, I believed their was something about the
way Chrome was programmed that made it inherently incompatible with
screen readers, but this is clearly not the case.

If Eric actually believes "Chrome isn't ready for prime time", then
this would explain and justify an anemic effort by Freedom Scientific
to support Chrome, since no company would spend development capital to
support a product which it believes is never going to take hold, or
won't mature for a substantial time.

But corporate decision making and assignment of priorities most times
falls somewhere between mysterious and inexplicable, and is too often
motivated by attempts to gain market advantage, or based on hidden
corporate alliances. Who can know? It has become a common practice for
salesmen to disparage products they don't sell or can't support, as
well as disparaging their own older products when they are now trying to
sell their new ones.

I hope Jaws users will download Chrome, try to systematically find its
deficiencies with Jaws, and send this information to Freedom Scientific
so that Chrome can be made as close to 100 percent accessible as is
possible using a screen reader. for us as blind people, software like
Chrome is a matter of employment instead of unemployment. When I
obtained my MS in computer science in 1984, virtually all computer jobs
were available to me, because all programming environments were 100
percent accessible to me using my Braille computer terminal and an Optacon
to fill in the gaps.

Today, so much software is inaccessible at a level necessary for
employment, that it has become increasingly difficult for us to find
and keep jobs of any sort, because most jobs involve using a computer.
And as many on this list know through personal experience, that which
is accessible today, can easily become inaccessible tomorrow simply
because a vendor chooses to release a software upgrade, with
unemployment being the result. When the blind employee can no longer
perform his job, what is the employer's alternative? The employer is
powerless to fix the problem, since they don't write the application
software or the screen reader programs.
Even if the employer doesn't wish to upgrade because of the effect it
will have on the blind employee, a small employer will ultimately have
no choice because the software vendor will stop support for the old
product to force the business to buy the new product.

I think it is critical that we as customers let Freedom Scientific know
what products we need to be made accessible, otherwise they can only guess.
This isn't their fault. By definition, they work for a small software
company, so the jobs they see and experience are in that environment,
and their priorities are established from that vantage point. If your a
blind lawyer and you cannot get or keep a job at a mega law firm
because the new law firm billing software is not accessible, this is
something FS won't experience and won't know about. Likewise, if you're
a financial advisor and you cannot get or keep a job at a Wall Street
firm or mega bank, FS will not know what job critical software must be
made accessible unless they are told. These are examples of the places
where jobs are located, and we cannot get and keep those jobs if we are
unable to use the software on which the jobs are based. Last time I
checked into this, most of the corporate networks for these large firms
are still running Windows XP, very old versions of MS Office, and the
inaccessible applications they are running are not Microsoft products.
I would be curious to know how much money and effort FS has spent on IE
11 accessibility as opposed to Google Chrome.

Just my 2 cents worth, but accounting for inflation may be worth 4
cents, though probably not quite that much.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy via Jfw"
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Subject: Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites



Which explains why Eric Damery still advises JAWS users to avoid Chrome.
As far as he is concerned, Chrome is still not ready yet for prime time.

Gerald



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Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Hi.

I can't get favorites, which Chrome calls bookmarks, to work as
quickly as they do in IE. Here's what I've figured out so far. I hope
the gaps can be filled in.

You get to bookmarks by pressing alt for the menu, then arrowing down.
Press enter on bookmarks. Here, I'm told that the shortcut
control-shift-b brings up bookmarks, but that shortcut isn't working
on my system when I'm outside this menu. Each time I have to go through
the menu.

In IE, I press alt-a to bring up my favorites list, and first-letter
navigation works. I can't find anything this simple using Chrome.

One item in the bookmarks submenu allows you to import favorites settings.
I clicked on this, tabbed through the options, and was told at the end
that I was successful. However, nothing seems to have been imported.

Any ideas?
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Re: jaws 17 braille error in windows10 fixed

Mark Furness
 

fixed I checked and made sure no display was picked

Thank you all for helping me.

On Nov 8, 2015, at 9:43 PM, Debbie April Yuille via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

You could also try going into your' braille settings and seeing if Remote access braille is listed as the default braille display, if it is, then select no display as the default. If that still doesn't fix it, you will need to re- install JAWS and remove support for Remote-access if you don't need it and that may help.

HTH
Debbie

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, 9 November 2015 4:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Mark Furness <flintman57@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: jaws 17 braille error in windows10

I am not using a braille display.
Also, such folders mentioned do not exist on my PC.
At least I could not find it.’
I am using a 64bit system.
Never had a braille display. But, I will
chech if jaws says or thinks I have a display in its settings.

Thank you for your help Debbie.
On Nov 7, 2015, at 9:22 PM, Debbie April Yuille via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hi Mark

What Braille Display are you using? Also are you running a 32-bit or 64-bit
operating system? If you are running a 64-bit OS, then Braille Displays must
have signed drivers to be able to work under the OS.

Debbie
Skype: apparating.girl

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Subject: jaws 17 braille error in windows10

Every time I start my PC Jaws says the braille driver can not be loaded
because jaws could not verify its digital signature
the file is
c:\programdata\freedom scientific\jaws\17.0\settings\enu\default.jcf

How do I fix this problem?
Thank you for your help.

Mark
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Re: Google Chrome and YouTube

Adrian Spratt
 

Yes, you're correct. However, for those of us who don't get that skip ad message, F5 is worth a try, especially in light of so many long ads at YouTube.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 9:54 AM
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Cc: Mario
Subject: Re: Google Chrome and YouTube

sometimes, I ran across times where f5 didn't skip the ads. I could be
wrong, but I think the author or youtube selectively allows the skipping
of ads. I recall there is an icon, graphic or button that appears
visually that a sighted user can click to skip the ad.
btw, I am curious to see how NVDA behaves with dealing with ads on youtube.






On 11/9/2015 9:36 AM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:
Mario, I don't hear that announcement using IE11. Interesting that you do with IE10. Once in a while F5 will cause an ad to restart, but those are the short ones. F5 is ideal to cut short the long, rambling ads that often show up on YouTube.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 9:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mario
Subject: Re: Google Chrome and YouTube

in my experience, using IE 10 and JAWS 16, it is announced when the ad
can be skipped. that's when you press f5. if it isn't announced that the
ad can be skipped, pressing f5 starts the ad playing again.


On 11/8/2015 8:59 PM, Dennis Clark via Jfw wrote:
Hi Adrian,
I didn't know about F5 to terminate advertisements on Youtube. I usually
try hitting escape which sometimes works, but more often than not, it
simply starts a new advertisement.
So again Adrian, thanks for yet another tip.
Bes,
Dennis

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
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Subject: RE: Google Chrome and YouTube


Dennis,

This announcement, which does appear visually, is never picked up by
IE. I don't use Firefox often enough to comment. Remember, F5 will cut
short an ad if that option appears on-screen, whether or not
verbalized by JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
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Clark via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hello Everyone,
While going to several youtube videos using Chrome, I noticed
something that I had not noticed before using IE or Firefox. When the
page launched, an advertisement started to play, but in the background
I could hear Jaws announce that an advertisement was playing and that
it could be stopped. As I arrowed down, I could make out that there
was a button to stop the advertisement, and when I pressed the space
bar, the advertisement stopped instantly and the Youtube video
immediately started playing. I am not using the latest IE or Firefox,
so it is possible that each of these browsers report the same
information, but this is the first time I have heard the stop option.
It also reports the length of the advertisement and how much has
already played. I'm curious to know if what I have described is
present with the current versions of IE and or Firefox.
Thanks,
Dennis
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Re: importing pdf's to word.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I have a PDF I'd like to convert. Are you saying get on it or open it?

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
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Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 10:05 PM
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Subject: RE: importing pdf's to word.

Greg,

Look into convenient OCR. If I recall the keystrokes correctly, while
focus is on the document, press JAWS key+spacebar, then o, then d for
document. This works best, and perhaps only, in JAWS 16. Check the
"What's new" file in JAWS 16 help.

-----Original Message-----
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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 9:41 PM
To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: importing pdf's to word.

All,



When opening pdf documents often times the pdf reads empty document. I
know that the document is there but not OCR formatted because can import
into open book to read it however I would like to select the entire pdf
from the pdf document and drop it into word rather than opening open book
to do this.
Open book only allows me to select one page at a time and it doesn't keep
the same format as the pdf.



Any tips how to take non OCR pdf docs and get them into a word doc. in
as few steps as possible?



Thanks.

Greg



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Question about Outlook.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Anyone have a clue about what I can do to make my e-mails in my Inbox
come in Ascending order? It is checked for Ascending. Yet, in my Inbox
only, they come in descending order. I'm going to be in and out for the
next two days, but by Wednesday, I have the same problem, I'm calling
Microsoft Disability - driving me crazy. My husband doesn't get why it
annoys me like it does, but I insist that it is an unnecessary problem
that I've never had to put up with in all my computer years - no reason
to start now if I don't want to.



Best from,



Carolyn



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Re: Google Chrome and YouTube

Mario
 

sometimes, I ran across times where f5 didn't skip the ads. I could be wrong, but I think the author or youtube selectively allows the skipping of ads. I recall there is an icon, graphic or button that appears visually that a sighted user can click to skip the ad.
btw, I am curious to see how NVDA behaves with dealing with ads on youtube.

On 11/9/2015 9:36 AM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:
Mario, I don't hear that announcement using IE11. Interesting that you do with IE10. Once in a while F5 will cause an ad to restart, but those are the short ones. F5 is ideal to cut short the long, rambling ads that often show up on YouTube.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mario via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 9:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mario
Subject: Re: Google Chrome and YouTube

in my experience, using IE 10 and JAWS 16, it is announced when the ad
can be skipped. that's when you press f5. if it isn't announced that the
ad can be skipped, pressing f5 starts the ad playing again.


On 11/8/2015 8:59 PM, Dennis Clark via Jfw wrote:
Hi Adrian,
I didn't know about F5 to terminate advertisements on Youtube. I usually
try hitting escape which sometimes works, but more often than not, it
simply starts a new advertisement.
So again Adrian, thanks for yet another tip.
Bes,
Dennis

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Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 2:02 PM
Subject: RE: Google Chrome and YouTube


Dennis,

This announcement, which does appear visually, is never picked up by
IE. I don't use Firefox often enough to comment. Remember, F5 will cut
short an ad if that option appears on-screen, whether or not
verbalized by JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Clark via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hello Everyone,
While going to several youtube videos using Chrome, I noticed
something that I had not noticed before using IE or Firefox. When the
page launched, an advertisement started to play, but in the background
I could hear Jaws announce that an advertisement was playing and that
it could be stopped. As I arrowed down, I could make out that there
was a button to stop the advertisement, and when I pressed the space
bar, the advertisement stopped instantly and the Youtube video
immediately started playing. I am not using the latest IE or Firefox,
so it is possible that each of these browsers report the same
information, but this is the first time I have heard the stop option.
It also reports the length of the advertisement and how much has
already played. I'm curious to know if what I have described is
present with the current versions of IE and or Firefox.
Thanks,
Dennis
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Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Not to mention how it would aid setting up a brand new device!

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 5:22 PM
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Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hi all,
Having all settings, scripts, and all changes we make to JAWS stored in the cloud excites me a lot. If FS created a service for us to do this, We would never lose our settings and our own scripts ever again. I agree. Bring it on.


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Peter Donahue
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hello everyone,

For some having JAWS store your user settings in the cloud is big.
I have made this suggestion to FS for some time and would like to see it become a reality. Your authorization code would be stored with your user settings allowing JAWS to retrieve information such as saved settings whenever you upgrade to a new version or install and authorize it on another device. Bring it on FS!

Peter Donahue



Soronel Haetir via Jfw wrote:
The only possible benefit I could see of allowing jaws to save
settings to the cloud is if they loosen the licensing system so that
it is easier for a single user to use many devices.

On 11/6/15, Jim Hamilton via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
For one, I will continue to ignore requests to store "anything" in
the cloud! There is already far too much information out there,
online, about myself, and don't want any additional windows into my
life. If FS has this in mind for saving/changing our JAWS settings,
I will strongly protest.
Of
course, before protesting, I will wait to see what happens.

Jim H
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Re: Google Chrome and YouTube

Adrian Spratt
 

Mario, I don't hear that announcement using IE11. Interesting that you do with IE10. Once in a while F5 will cause an ad to restart, but those are the short ones. F5 is ideal to cut short the long, rambling ads that often show up on YouTube.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mario via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 9:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mario
Subject: Re: Google Chrome and YouTube

in my experience, using IE 10 and JAWS 16, it is announced when the ad
can be skipped. that's when you press f5. if it isn't announced that the
ad can be skipped, pressing f5 starts the ad playing again.


On 11/8/2015 8:59 PM, Dennis Clark via Jfw wrote:
Hi Adrian,
I didn't know about F5 to terminate advertisements on Youtube. I usually
try hitting escape which sometimes works, but more often than not, it
simply starts a new advertisement.
So again Adrian, thanks for yet another tip.
Bes,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw"
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 2:02 PM
Subject: RE: Google Chrome and YouTube


Dennis,

This announcement, which does appear visually, is never picked up by
IE. I don't use Firefox often enough to comment. Remember, F5 will cut
short an ad if that option appears on-screen, whether or not
verbalized by JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
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Clark via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hello Everyone,
While going to several youtube videos using Chrome, I noticed
something that I had not noticed before using IE or Firefox. When the
page launched, an advertisement started to play, but in the background
I could hear Jaws announce that an advertisement was playing and that
it could be stopped. As I arrowed down, I could make out that there
was a button to stop the advertisement, and when I pressed the space
bar, the advertisement stopped instantly and the Youtube video
immediately started playing. I am not using the latest IE or Firefox,
so it is possible that each of these browsers report the same
information, but this is the first time I have heard the stop option.
It also reports the length of the advertisement and how much has
already played. I'm curious to know if what I have described is
present with the current versions of IE and or Firefox.
Thanks,
Dennis
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Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Well, if I ever get around to setting up another e-mail account, I may consider it. Interestingly enough, it was recommended that we use it here at work a year or so ago, but The Department turned it down for security reasons.

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Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:50 PM
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Subject: Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Hi Ted:
Chrome Version 46.0.2490.80
is the version I'm using.
It seems to be working better than ever before.
I don't know how to get feeds,
and I think webvisum is not available.

On 11/6/2015 3:10 PM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw wrote:
Didn't work so great in 15 or 16 either on 7 64. When did this miraculous transformation occur; was there a recent Chrome update?

Ted

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Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 6:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: RE: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Back when I had XP and JAWS 13, Chrome did not work.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


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Subject: Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

i just started using it with windows 7 64bit and jaws 17. also works with jaws 16. only have one problem so far. when i go to amc.com there is a sign in link that doesn't show up as a link in krome. it does in firefox and IE. other than that it seams to be running pretty smoothly.

On 11/5/2015 9:46 AM, ratshtron via Jfw wrote:
its great under windows 7 32 bit. i kept having trouble with firefox
from the last update with jaws so i switched. internet explorer got
very sluggish with jaws so i started using firefox but now google
crome is much better with jaws.


Legend has it that on Thursday 11/5/2015 09:31 AM, Marshall Scott via
Jfw said:
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How accessible is Chrome under Windows 7?
Thanks,
Marshall

On Nov 5, 2015, at 2:49 AM, David Moore via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi all.
I have been experimenting with Google Chrome Browser, and I have
found that it is very accessible and easy to use. More than that, I
can open the same web site in half the time as with IE or Firefox.
It never crashes, and it is more stable than any other browser. It
is the best browser when it comes to streaming videos and other
media by far. The video never pauses for example. In IE, the same
video pauses a few times for a few seconds. Also, Google Chrome is
the easiest browser to use. Yes, I am not kidding. Simply press
enter on the browser, and the home page opens. I have mine set to
Google of course. Now, just press alt and the screen reader will say
chrome button. If you press down arrow, every setting and menu you
will ever need is in that one vertical column. The history, delete
history, book marks, are all in that one vertical menu just by
pressing the alt key on the home page. All navigation JAWS short cut
keys work in Google Chrome. I have not found anything yet that is n
ot
accessible. Also, every JAWS key command works in Chrome just like
in IE. You can just press alt + D for the address bar for example. I
will continue to play around with Google Chrome a little more, and I
will be ready to do an Audio tutorial for you guys. You will not
believe just how much better Google Chrome is over any other browser.
You will hear it with your own ears when I send you the tutorial
probably by Friday. I know some of you will use Chrome as your
default browser. God bless and have a great night. Talk to all of
you soon.
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Re: Google Chrome and YouTube

Mario
 

in my experience, using IE 10 and JAWS 16, it is announced when the ad can be skipped. that's when you press f5. if it isn't announced that the ad can be skipped, pressing f5 starts the ad playing again.

On 11/8/2015 8:59 PM, Dennis Clark via Jfw wrote:
Hi Adrian,
I didn't know about F5 to terminate advertisements on Youtube. I usually
try hitting escape which sometimes works, but more often than not, it
simply starts a new advertisement.
So again Adrian, thanks for yet another tip.
Bes,
Dennis

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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 2:02 PM
Subject: RE: Google Chrome and YouTube


Dennis,

This announcement, which does appear visually, is never picked up by
IE. I don't use Firefox often enough to comment. Remember, F5 will cut
short an ad if that option appears on-screen, whether or not
verbalized by JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
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Clark via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hello Everyone,
While going to several youtube videos using Chrome, I noticed
something that I had not noticed before using IE or Firefox. When the
page launched, an advertisement started to play, but in the background
I could hear Jaws announce that an advertisement was playing and that
it could be stopped. As I arrowed down, I could make out that there
was a button to stop the advertisement, and when I pressed the space
bar, the advertisement stopped instantly and the Youtube video
immediately started playing. I am not using the latest IE or Firefox,
so it is possible that each of these browsers report the same
information, but this is the first time I have heard the stop option.
It also reports the length of the advertisement and how much has
already played. I'm curious to know if what I have described is
present with the current versions of IE and or Firefox.
Thanks,
Dennis
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Re: Google Chrome and I.E. 11 on a web site

Maria Campbell
 

I didn't have any trouble with it using JAWS 16.

On 11/8/2015 7:54 PM, Ann Byrne via Jfw wrote:
The associated press has a web site chronicling some of the events that
happened on this date in history. JAWS 17 often locks up on this site,
or loses its place. Chrome reads it beautifully.

Check it out:
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Re: importing pdf's to word.

dennis
 

go to http://www.convertfiles.com/
this will convert your pdf in to word or txt if you want.

On 11/8/2015 9:05 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:
Greg,

Look into convenient OCR. If I recall the keystrokes correctly, while focus is on the document, press JAWS key+spacebar, then o, then d for document. This works best, and perhaps only, in JAWS 16. Check the "What's new" file in JAWS 16 help.

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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 9:41 PM
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Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: importing pdf's to word.

All,


When opening pdf documents often times the pdf reads empty document. I know
that the document is there but not OCR formatted because can import into
open book to read it however I would like to select the entire pdf from the
pdf document and drop it into word rather than opening open book to do this.
Open book only allows me to select one page at a time and it doesn't keep
the same format as the pdf.


Any tips how to take non OCR pdf docs and get them into a word doc. in as
few steps as possible?


Thanks.

Greg


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Re: Chrome vs firefox

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Hi david. The one thing I forgot to mention wich I love about chrome
is the fact that when I use facebook mobile, I can check allot of my
news feed, I don't have to press see more to get to a second and third
page and so on. Really great the way its displayed.

On 08/11/2015, David Moore via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi all.
There is a very little learning curve with using Google Chrome. You have all

settings and all you need in just one vertical column called the Chrome
menu. Settings are displayed in a web page environment just like more and
more of Firefox is displayed that way. After getting use to it, the web page

lay out is better to navigate. All of the same navigation key commands work

in Chrome as in IE or Firefox. It is very fast and is great for streaming
video like Net Flicks and the like. It never Crashes. I really hope you like

it for what it can do. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Marianne Denning via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 5:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Marianne Denning
Subject: Re: Chrome vs firefox

I have used Firefox and IE for several years. I go back and forth
because some websites are better with one and some with the other.
Now that I hear Crome is accessible I plan to give it a try. I have
been using Google Drive and like it.

On 11/7/15, Drew Hunthausen via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Dear list,

I'm a life time user of IE and due to the way many of the aspects of my
job
and related software works have been advised to switch to Chrome or
Firefox.
What is the learning curve in switching from IE, and is there anything
else
I should be aware of. I haven't upgraded yet, but I do have Jaws 17.
Thanks
so much

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Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Well, if you sign into chrome with your google account, it might just
store the bookmarks in the cloud and have them ready for you in the
case of a new instal.

On 09/11/2015, Bill White via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi, David. I don't save favorites the traditional way in Firefox. I use an
AdOn called PlainOldFavorites which you can get from the folowing link:

http://www.iosart.com/firefox/plainoldfavorites/

This causes Firefox to save Favorites the same way as Internet Explorer
does, and in the same folder as IE does.

Thank you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Subject: Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites


Hi Bill,
Book marks are stored in Chrome just like they are in Firefox.
Unfortunately, just like Firefox, you cannot go to your favorites folder
on your computer and get them there. Only IE favorites are stored in that

favorites folder on your computer. Do you know how to download the
bookmarks you save in Firefox? I like to save all of my favorites on my
external disk drive. That is easy for IE favorites, however, book marks
are not stored in the favorites folder under your name on the C drive. I
had to bring up each book mark in Firefox, copy the URL, and paste it in
IE and save it as a favorite in IE so it would go into the favorites
folder on the computer. Take care.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 10:26 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Hi, Adrian. When you say that Bookmarks in Chrome is like Favorites in
Internet Explorer, do you know if Bookmarks in Chrome are stored as
shortcuts the way IE stores them, or does Chrome store Bookmarks in a
data
file the way Firefox does?

Thank you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:18 AM
Subject: RE: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites


I can elaborate on this. Note that the term "bookmarks" in Chrome means
the same thing as "favorites" in IE.

First, the fastest way I've found to get to book marks is to press alt,
down arrow once, then press b. From there, as David says, right arrow
into the main bookmarks menu, which includes bookmarks created in Chrome,

and arrow up or down through the options.

However, first-letter navigation through this main bookmarks menu is
risky. When entering this menu, do not press "I." It seems to take me to

the bookmarks bar, which I find inefficient and confusing. This impairs
the value of using bookmarks in this list, at least for me, because I use

first-letter navigation in my IE favorites list all the time.

However, as I mentioned in an earlier post, Chrome makes it very easy to

import IE favorites. In the main bookmarks menu, arrow to "Import book
marks and settings..." Press enter and start tabbing.

Now that I've imported my IE settings, I now arrow down through the main

bookmarks menu to "Imported from IE " to access the favorites/bookmarks
I've created over the years. At that point, right arrow twice to enter
the IE favorites/bookmarks list. First-letter navigation works fine
here.

The bookmarks shortcut, control-shift-b, doesn't immediately work, and
I'm confused by what it actually does do. This so-called bar, once I
finally get there, requires tabbing, and first-letter navigation doesn't

work. I've unchecked "Show bookmarks bar" by pressing enter on this main

bookmarks menu item.

Short version: for now, I'll avoid creating bookmarks in Chrome, even
though control-d makes it easy to do, and rely on my imported IE
favorites.

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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 1:54 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Hi all,
David Moore here. I can tell you now how to work with book marks in
Chrome.
To put a web page in your book marks, press ctrl + D. It is saved right
then. Now, to Look and open your book marks, just press alt and down
arrow
through the chrome menu until you hear book marks. Next, press right
arrow
to open up your book marks, and just press enter on the one you want to
open
up. I will tell you about other features as I figure them out and some
time
this week, I hope to do an audio tutorial for Chrome. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 12:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Thank you, Ann. Needless to say, it works. However, with IE as my
default,
naturally when I click a favorite, IE takes over. I won't make Chrome my
default until various problems are solved. It would be nice to find
Chrome
"fully" accessible because it runs much better than the other browsers,
but
I'm not yet convinced. I hope David Moore can address bookmarks and
other
issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 11:48 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

In windows 7, Favorites can be accessed by pressing Windows key, then
tab, then enter, then 'f' or down arrowing to the favorites
list. This should be independent of your browser. So if you just
want one favorite, it might be faster to go that way.
At 10:35 AM 11/7/2015, you wrote:

Which explains why Eric Damery still advises JAWS users to avoid
Chrome. As far as he is concerned, Chrome is still not ready yet
for prime time.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 10:51 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Hi.

I can't get favorites, which Chrome calls bookmarks, to work as
quickly as they do in IE. Here's what I've figured out so far. I
hope the gaps can be filled in.

You get to bookmarks by pressing alt for the menu, then arrowing
down. Press enter on bookmarks. Here, I'm told that the shortcut
control-shift-b brings up bookmarks, but that shortcut isn't working
on my system when I'm outside this menu. Each time I have to go
through the menu.

In IE, I press alt-a to bring up my favorites list, and first-letter
navigation works. I can't find anything this simple using Chrome.

One item in the bookmarks submenu allows you to import favorites
settings. I clicked on this, tabbed through the options, and was
told at the end that I was successful. However, nothing seems to
have been imported.

Any ideas?
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