Well, if I ever get around to setting up another e-mail account, I may consider it. Interestingly enough, it was recommended that we use it here at work a year or so ago, but The Department turned it down for security reasons.

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Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:50 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
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Subject: Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Hi Ted:
Chrome Version 46.0.2490.80
is the version I'm using.
It seems to be working better than ever before.
I don't know how to get feeds,
and I think webvisum is not available.

On 11/6/2015 3:10 PM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw wrote:

Didn't work so great in 15 or 16 either on 7 64. When did this miraculous transformation occur; was there a recent Chrome update?

Ted

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Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 6:07 PM
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Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: RE: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Back when I had XP and JAWS 13, Chrome did not work.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


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Subject: Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

i just started using it with windows 7 64bit and jaws 17. also works with jaws 16. only have one problem so far. when i go to amc.com there is a sign in link that doesn't show up as a link in krome. it does in firefox and IE. other than that it seams to be running pretty smoothly.

On 11/5/2015 9:46 AM, ratshtron via Jfw wrote:

its great under windows 7 32 bit. i kept having trouble with firefox
from the last update with jaws so i switched. internet explorer got
very sluggish with jaws so i started using firefox but now google
crome is much better with jaws.


Legend has it that on Thursday 11/5/2015 09:31 AM, Marshall Scott via
Jfw said:
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How accessible is Chrome under Windows 7?
Thanks,
Marshall

On Nov 5, 2015, at 2:49 AM, David Moore via Jfw

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Hi all.
I have been experimenting with Google Chrome Browser, and I have

found that it is very accessible and easy to use. More than that, I
can open the same web site in half the time as with IE or Firefox.
It never crashes, and it is more stable than any other browser. It
is the best browser when it comes to streaming videos and other
media by far. The video never pauses for example. In IE, the same
video pauses a few times for a few seconds. Also, Google Chrome is
the easiest browser to use. Yes, I am not kidding. Simply press
enter on the browser, and the home page opens. I have mine set to
Google of course. Now, just press alt and the screen reader will say
chrome button. If you press down arrow, every setting and menu you
will ever need is in that one vertical column. The history, delete
history, book marks, are all in that one vertical menu just by
pressing the alt key on the home page. All navigation JAWS short cut
keys work in Google Chrome. I have not found anything yet that is n
ot

accessible. Also, every JAWS key command works in Chrome just like

in IE. You can just press alt + D for the address bar for example. I
will continue to play around with Google Chrome a little more, and I
will be ready to do an Audio tutorial for you guys. You will not
believe just how much better Google Chrome is over any other browser.
You will hear it with your own ears when I send you the tutorial
probably by Friday. I know some of you will use Chrome as your
default browser. God bless and have a great night. Talk to all of
you soon.

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Hello Gerald and others,
At Harvard and I think Stanford, Google Chrome is used in the
programming classes for web development, so they apparently do not
share Eric Damery's opinion as presented in the email post. I would be
curious to know how recently Eric made that statement. Chrome, at least
for sighted programmers is a very important program because it can
process the HTML source code from a webpage and present it in a very
"human readable" form, as opposed to simply displaying the source code
directly in its raw form. As David Malan who teaches CS50 and other web
programming courses at Harvard explains in the first class, IE and Firefox
do not provide this capability.
He doesn't care what browsers students choose to use, he simply
explains that it will be much more difficult if one does not use Chrome
to do internet programming, because of its built-in tools.

Perhaps Eric meant that Chrome is not ready for prime time for blind
people using screen readers. If so, this is obviously very bad news for
blind programmers taking CS courses at Harvard and Stanford, since
their performance will be measured against sighted students in their
classes who are using Chrome, and the blind student's productivity will
be seriously diminished and their ability to complete their assignments
on time made almost impossible without Chrome.

Likewise, if employers are using Chrome for the same reason as David
Malan, and blind programmers can't use it, they are not going to be
hired. This isn't discrimination. The employer would be correct in
concluding that the blind programmer cannot do the job as quickly and
efficiently as a sighted programmer, so to hire the blind programmer
would mean the employer is paying the same money for less software output.

I had not looked at Chrome for almost 2 years since I tried to use it
in a programming course, and at that time I found it virtually
inaccessible using Jaws. When I downloaded it again 2 days ago after
reading an earlier email stating that it is now "totally accessible," I
was very pleased and surprised at the current level of Chrome's
accessibility. Prior to this, I believed their was something about the
way Chrome was programmed that made it inherently incompatible with
screen readers, but this is clearly not the case.

If Eric actually believes "Chrome isn't ready for prime time", then
this would explain and justify an anemic effort by Freedom Scientific
to support Chrome, since no company would spend development capital to
support a product which it believes is never going to take hold, or
won't mature for a substantial time.

But corporate decision making and assignment of priorities most times
falls somewhere between mysterious and inexplicable, and is too often
motivated by attempts to gain market advantage, or based on hidden
corporate alliances. Who can know? It has become a common practice for
salesmen to disparage products they don't sell or can't support, as
well as disparaging their own older products when they are now trying to
sell their new ones.

I hope Jaws users will download Chrome, try to systematically find its
deficiencies with Jaws, and send this information to Freedom Scientific
so that Chrome can be made as close to 100 percent accessible as is
possible using a screen reader. for us as blind people, software like
Chrome is a matter of employment instead of unemployment. When I
obtained my MS in computer science in 1984, virtually all computer jobs
were available to me, because all programming environments were 100
percent accessible to me using my Braille computer terminal and an Optacon
to fill in the gaps.

Today, so much software is inaccessible at a level necessary for
employment, that it has become increasingly difficult for us to find
and keep jobs of any sort, because most jobs involve using a computer.
And as many on this list know through personal experience, that which
is accessible today, can easily become inaccessible tomorrow simply
because a vendor chooses to release a software upgrade, with
unemployment being the result. When the blind employee can no longer
perform his job, what is the employer's alternative? The employer is
powerless to fix the problem, since they don't write the application
software or the screen reader programs.
Even if the employer doesn't wish to upgrade because of the effect it
will have on the blind employee, a small employer will ultimately have
no choice because the software vendor will stop support for the old
product to force the business to buy the new product.

I think it is critical that we as customers let Freedom Scientific know
what products we need to be made accessible, otherwise they can only guess.
This isn't their fault. By definition, they work for a small software
company, so the jobs they see and experience are in that environment,
and their priorities are established from that vantage point. If your a
blind lawyer and you cannot get or keep a job at a mega law firm
because the new law firm billing software is not accessible, this is
something FS won't experience and won't know about. Likewise, if you're
a financial advisor and you cannot get or keep a job at a Wall Street
firm or mega bank, FS will not know what job critical software must be
made accessible unless they are told. These are examples of the places
where jobs are located, and we cannot get and keep those jobs if we are
unable to use the software on which the jobs are based. Last time I
checked into this, most of the corporate networks for these large firms
are still running Windows XP, very old versions of MS Office, and the
inaccessible applications they are running are not Microsoft products.
I would be curious to know how much money and effort FS has spent on IE
11 accessibility as opposed to Google Chrome.

Just my 2 cents worth, but accounting for inflation may be worth 4
cents, though probably not quite that much.

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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Which explains why Eric Damery still advises JAWS users to avoid Chrome.
As far as he is concerned, Chrome is still not ready yet for prime time.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 10:51 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Hi.

I can't get favorites, which Chrome calls bookmarks, to work as
quickly as they do in IE. Here's what I've figured out so far. I hope
the gaps can be filled in.

You get to bookmarks by pressing alt for the menu, then arrowing down.
Press enter on bookmarks. Here, I'm told that the shortcut
control-shift-b brings up bookmarks, but that shortcut isn't working
on my system when I'm outside this menu. Each time I have to go through
the menu.

In IE, I press alt-a to bring up my favorites list, and first-letter
navigation works. I can't find anything this simple using Chrome.

One item in the bookmarks submenu allows you to import favorites settings.
I clicked on this, tabbed through the options, and was told at the end
that I was successful. However, nothing seems to have been imported.

Any ideas?
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On Nov 8, 2015, at 9:43 PM, Debbie April Yuille via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

You could also try going into your' braille settings and seeing if Remote access braille is listed as the default braille display, if it is, then select no display as the default. If that still doesn't fix it, you will need to re- install JAWS and remove support for Remote-access if you don't need it and that may help.

HTH
Debbie

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark Furness via Jfw
Sent: Monday, 9 November 2015 4:42 AM
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Cc: Mark Furness <flintman57@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: jaws 17 braille error in windows10

I am not using a braille display.
Also, such folders mentioned do not exist on my PC.
At least I could not find it.’
I am using a 64bit system.
Never had a braille display. But, I will
chech if jaws says or thinks I have a display in its settings.

Thank you for your help Debbie.

On Nov 7, 2015, at 9:22 PM, Debbie April Yuille via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hi Mark

What Braille Display are you using? Also are you running a 32-bit or 64-bit
operating system? If you are running a 64-bit OS, then Braille Displays must
have signed drivers to be able to work under the OS.

Debbie
Skype: apparating.girl

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Subject: jaws 17 braille error in windows10

Every time I start my PC Jaws says the braille driver can not be loaded
because jaws could not verify its digital signature
the file is
c:\programdata\freedom scientific\jaws\17.0\settings\enu\default.jcf

How do I fix this problem?
Thank you for your help.

Mark
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Mario, I don't hear that announcement using IE11. Interesting that you do with IE10. Once in a while F5 will cause an ad to restart, but those are the short ones. F5 is ideal to cut short the long, rambling ads that often show up on YouTube.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 9:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mario
Subject: Re: Google Chrome and YouTube

in my experience, using IE 10 and JAWS 16, it is announced when the ad
can be skipped. that's when you press f5. if it isn't announced that the
ad can be skipped, pressing f5 starts the ad playing again.


On 11/8/2015 8:59 PM, Dennis Clark via Jfw wrote:

Hi Adrian,
I didn't know about F5 to terminate advertisements on Youtube. I usually
try hitting escape which sometimes works, but more often than not, it
simply starts a new advertisement.
So again Adrian, thanks for yet another tip.
Bes,
Dennis

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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 2:02 PM
Subject: RE: Google Chrome and YouTube

Dennis,

This announcement, which does appear visually, is never picked up by
IE. I don't use Firefox often enough to comment. Remember, F5 will cut
short an ad if that option appears on-screen, whether or not
verbalized by JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hello Everyone,
While going to several youtube videos using Chrome, I noticed
something that I had not noticed before using IE or Firefox. When the
page launched, an advertisement started to play, but in the background
I could hear Jaws announce that an advertisement was playing and that
it could be stopped. As I arrowed down, I could make out that there
was a button to stop the advertisement, and when I pressed the space
bar, the advertisement stopped instantly and the Youtube video
immediately started playing. I am not using the latest IE or Firefox,
so it is possible that each of these browsers report the same
information, but this is the first time I have heard the stop option.
It also reports the length of the advertisement and how much has
already played. I'm curious to know if what I have described is
present with the current versions of IE and or Firefox.
Thanks,
Dennis
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Mario, I don't hear that announcement using IE11. Interesting that you do with IE10. Once in a while F5 will cause an ad to restart, but those are the short ones. F5 is ideal to cut short the long, rambling ads that often show up on YouTube.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 9:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mario
Subject: Re: Google Chrome and YouTube

in my experience, using IE 10 and JAWS 16, it is announced when the ad
can be skipped. that's when you press f5. if it isn't announced that the
ad can be skipped, pressing f5 starts the ad playing again.


On 11/8/2015 8:59 PM, Dennis Clark via Jfw wrote:

Hi Adrian,
I didn't know about F5 to terminate advertisements on Youtube. I usually
try hitting escape which sometimes works, but more often than not, it
simply starts a new advertisement.
So again Adrian, thanks for yet another tip.
Bes,
Dennis

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Subject: RE: Google Chrome and YouTube

Dennis,

This announcement, which does appear visually, is never picked up by
IE. I don't use Firefox often enough to comment. Remember, F5 will cut
short an ad if that option appears on-screen, whether or not
verbalized by JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
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Clark via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hello Everyone,
While going to several youtube videos using Chrome, I noticed
something that I had not noticed before using IE or Firefox. When the
page launched, an advertisement started to play, but in the background
I could hear Jaws announce that an advertisement was playing and that
it could be stopped. As I arrowed down, I could make out that there
was a button to stop the advertisement, and when I pressed the space
bar, the advertisement stopped instantly and the Youtube video
immediately started playing. I am not using the latest IE or Firefox,
so it is possible that each of these browsers report the same
information, but this is the first time I have heard the stop option.
It also reports the length of the advertisement and how much has
already played. I'm curious to know if what I have described is
present with the current versions of IE and or Firefox.
Thanks,
Dennis
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The only possible benefit I could see of allowing jaws to save
settings to the cloud is if they loosen the licensing system so that
it is easier for a single user to use many devices.

On 11/6/15, Jim Hamilton via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

For one, I will continue to ignore requests to store "anything" in
the cloud! There is already far too much information out there,
online, about myself, and don't want any additional windows into my
life. If FS has this in mind for saving/changing our JAWS settings,
I will strongly protest.
Of
course, before protesting, I will wait to see what happens.

Jim H
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Hi Adrian,
I didn't know about F5 to terminate advertisements on Youtube. I usually
try hitting escape which sometimes works, but more often than not, it
simply starts a new advertisement.
So again Adrian, thanks for yet another tip.
Bes,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw"
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 2:02 PM
Subject: RE: Google Chrome and YouTube

Dennis,

This announcement, which does appear visually, is never picked up by
IE. I don't use Firefox often enough to comment. Remember, F5 will cut
short an ad if that option appears on-screen, whether or not
verbalized by JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
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Clark via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hello Everyone,
While going to several youtube videos using Chrome, I noticed
something that I had not noticed before using IE or Firefox. When the
page launched, an advertisement started to play, but in the background
I could hear Jaws announce that an advertisement was playing and that
it could be stopped. As I arrowed down, I could make out that there
was a button to stop the advertisement, and when I pressed the space
bar, the advertisement stopped instantly and the Youtube video
immediately started playing. I am not using the latest IE or Firefox,
so it is possible that each of these browsers report the same
information, but this is the first time I have heard the stop option.
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already played. I'm curious to know if what I have described is
present with the current versions of IE and or Firefox.
Thanks,
Dennis
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Didn't work so great in 15 or 16 either on 7 64. When did this miraculous transformation occur; was there a recent Chrome update?

Ted

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Subject: RE: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Back when I had XP and JAWS 13, Chrome did not work.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


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Subject: Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

i just started using it with windows 7 64bit and jaws 17. also works with jaws 16. only have one problem so far. when i go to amc.com there is a sign in link that doesn't show up as a link in krome. it does in firefox and IE. other than that it seams to be running pretty smoothly.

On 11/5/2015 9:46 AM, ratshtron via Jfw wrote:

its great under windows 7 32 bit. i kept having trouble with firefox
from the last update with jaws so i switched. internet explorer got
very sluggish with jaws so i started using firefox but now google
crome is much better with jaws.


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How accessible is Chrome under Windows 7?
Thanks,
Marshall

On Nov 5, 2015, at 2:49 AM, David Moore via Jfw

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Hi all.
I have been experimenting with Google Chrome Browser, and I have

found that it is very accessible and easy to use. More than that, I
can open the same web site in half the time as with IE or Firefox.
It never crashes, and it is more stable than any other browser. It
is the best browser when it comes to streaming videos and other
media by far. The video never pauses for example. In IE, the same
video pauses a few times for a few seconds. Also, Google Chrome is
the easiest browser to use. Yes, I am not kidding. Simply press
enter on the browser, and the home page opens. I have mine set to
Google of course. Now, just press alt and the screen reader will say
chrome button. If you press down arrow, every setting and menu you
will ever need is in that one vertical column. The history, delete
history, book marks, are all in that one vertical menu just by
pressing the alt key on the home page. All navigation JAWS short cut
keys work in Google Chrome. I have not found anything yet that is n
ot

accessible. Also, every JAWS key command works in Chrome just like

in IE. You can just press alt + D for the address bar for example. I
will continue to play around with Google Chrome a little more, and I
will be ready to do an Audio tutorial for you guys. You will not
believe just how much better Google Chrome is over any other browser.
You will hear it with your own ears when I send you the tutorial
probably by Friday. I know some of you will use Chrome as your
default browser. God bless and have a great night. Talk to all of
you soon.

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Hi Adrian,
I didn't know about F5 to terminate advertisements on Youtube. I usually
try hitting escape which sometimes works, but more often than not, it
simply starts a new advertisement.
So again Adrian, thanks for yet another tip.
Bes,
Dennis

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Subject: RE: Google Chrome and YouTube

Dennis,

This announcement, which does appear visually, is never picked up by
IE. I don't use Firefox often enough to comment. Remember, F5 will cut
short an ad if that option appears on-screen, whether or not
verbalized by JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
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Clark via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hello Everyone,
While going to several youtube videos using Chrome, I noticed
something that I had not noticed before using IE or Firefox. When the
page launched, an advertisement started to play, but in the background
I could hear Jaws announce that an advertisement was playing and that
it could be stopped. As I arrowed down, I could make out that there
was a button to stop the advertisement, and when I pressed the space
bar, the advertisement stopped instantly and the Youtube video
immediately started playing. I am not using the latest IE or Firefox,
so it is possible that each of these browsers report the same
information, but this is the first time I have heard the stop option.
It also reports the length of the advertisement and how much has
already played. I'm curious to know if what I have described is
present with the current versions of IE and or Firefox.
Thanks,
Dennis
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The associated press has a web site chronicling some of the events that
happened on this date in history. JAWS 17 often locks up on this site,
or loses its place. Chrome reads it beautifully.

Check it out:
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Greg,

Look into convenient OCR. If I recall the keystrokes correctly, while focus is on the document, press JAWS key+spacebar, then o, then d for document. This works best, and perhaps only, in JAWS 16. Check the "What's new" file in JAWS 16 help.

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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 9:41 PM
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Cc: Greg Nickel
Subject: importing pdf's to word.

All,


When opening pdf documents often times the pdf reads empty document. I know
that the document is there but not OCR formatted because can import into
open book to read it however I would like to select the entire pdf from the
pdf document and drop it into word rather than opening open book to do this.
Open book only allows me to select one page at a time and it doesn't keep
the same format as the pdf.


Any tips how to take non OCR pdf docs and get them into a word doc. in as
few steps as possible?


Thanks.

Greg


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Hi all.
There is a very little learning curve with using Google Chrome. You have all

settings and all you need in just one vertical column called the Chrome
menu. Settings are displayed in a web page environment just like more and
more of Firefox is displayed that way. After getting use to it, the web page

lay out is better to navigate. All of the same navigation key commands work

in Chrome as in IE or Firefox. It is very fast and is great for streaming
video like Net Flicks and the like. It never Crashes. I really hope you like

it for what it can do. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Marianne Denning via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 5:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Marianne Denning
Subject: Re: Chrome vs firefox

I have used Firefox and IE for several years. I go back and forth
because some websites are better with one and some with the other.
Now that I hear Crome is accessible I plan to give it a try. I have
been using Google Drive and like it.

On 11/7/15, Drew Hunthausen via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Dear list,

I'm a life time user of IE and due to the way many of the aspects of my
job
and related software works have been advised to switch to Chrome or
Firefox.
What is the learning curve in switching from IE, and is there anything
else
I should be aware of. I haven't upgraded yet, but I do have Jaws 17.
Thanks
so much

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Hi, David. I don't save favorites the traditional way in Firefox. I use an
AdOn called PlainOldFavorites which you can get from the folowing link:

http://www.iosart.com/firefox/plainoldfavorites/

This causes Firefox to save Favorites the same way as Internet Explorer
does, and in the same folder as IE does.

Thank you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Hi Bill,
Book marks are stored in Chrome just like they are in Firefox.
Unfortunately, just like Firefox, you cannot go to your favorites folder
on your computer and get them there. Only IE favorites are stored in that

favorites folder on your computer. Do you know how to download the
bookmarks you save in Firefox? I like to save all of my favorites on my
external disk drive. That is easy for IE favorites, however, book marks
are not stored in the favorites folder under your name on the C drive. I
had to bring up each book mark in Firefox, copy the URL, and paste it in
IE and save it as a favorite in IE so it would go into the favorites
folder on the computer. Take care.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 10:26 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Hi, Adrian. When you say that Bookmarks in Chrome is like Favorites in
Internet Explorer, do you know if Bookmarks in Chrome are stored as
shortcuts the way IE stores them, or does Chrome store Bookmarks in a
data
file the way Firefox does?

Thank you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:18 AM
Subject: RE: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

I can elaborate on this. Note that the term "bookmarks" in Chrome means
the same thing as "favorites" in IE.

First, the fastest way I've found to get to book marks is to press alt,
down arrow once, then press b. From there, as David says, right arrow
into the main bookmarks menu, which includes bookmarks created in Chrome,

and arrow up or down through the options.

However, first-letter navigation through this main bookmarks menu is
risky. When entering this menu, do not press "I." It seems to take me to

the bookmarks bar, which I find inefficient and confusing. This impairs
the value of using bookmarks in this list, at least for me, because I use

first-letter navigation in my IE favorites list all the time.

However, as I mentioned in an earlier post, Chrome makes it very easy to

import IE favorites. In the main bookmarks menu, arrow to "Import book
marks and settings..." Press enter and start tabbing.

Now that I've imported my IE settings, I now arrow down through the main

bookmarks menu to "Imported from IE " to access the favorites/bookmarks
I've created over the years. At that point, right arrow twice to enter
the IE favorites/bookmarks list. First-letter navigation works fine
here.

The bookmarks shortcut, control-shift-b, doesn't immediately work, and
I'm confused by what it actually does do. This so-called bar, once I
finally get there, requires tabbing, and first-letter navigation doesn't

work. I've unchecked "Show bookmarks bar" by pressing enter on this main

bookmarks menu item.

Short version: for now, I'll avoid creating bookmarks in Chrome, even
though control-d makes it easy to do, and rely on my imported IE
favorites.

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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 1:54 AM
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Subject: Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Hi all,
David Moore here. I can tell you now how to work with book marks in
Chrome.
To put a web page in your book marks, press ctrl + D. It is saved right
then. Now, to Look and open your book marks, just press alt and down
arrow
through the chrome menu until you hear book marks. Next, press right
arrow
to open up your book marks, and just press enter on the one you want to
open
up. I will tell you about other features as I figure them out and some
time
this week, I hope to do an audio tutorial for Chrome. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 12:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Thank you, Ann. Needless to say, it works. However, with IE as my
default,
naturally when I click a favorite, IE takes over. I won't make Chrome my
default until various problems are solved. It would be nice to find
Chrome
"fully" accessible because it runs much better than the other browsers,
but
I'm not yet convinced. I hope David Moore can address bookmarks and
other
issues.

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via
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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 11:48 AM
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Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

In windows 7, Favorites can be accessed by pressing Windows key, then
tab, then enter, then 'f' or down arrowing to the favorites
list. This should be independent of your browser. So if you just
want one favorite, it might be faster to go that way.
At 10:35 AM 11/7/2015, you wrote:

Which explains why Eric Damery still advises JAWS users to avoid
Chrome. As far as he is concerned, Chrome is still not ready yet
for prime time.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 10:51 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Hi.

I can't get favorites, which Chrome calls bookmarks, to work as
quickly as they do in IE. Here's what I've figured out so far. I
hope the gaps can be filled in.

You get to bookmarks by pressing alt for the menu, then arrowing
down. Press enter on bookmarks. Here, I'm told that the shortcut
control-shift-b brings up bookmarks, but that shortcut isn't working
on my system when I'm outside this menu. Each time I have to go
through the menu.

In IE, I press alt-a to bring up my favorites list, and first-letter
navigation works. I can't find anything this simple using Chrome.

One item in the bookmarks submenu allows you to import favorites
settings. I clicked on this, tabbed through the options, and was
told at the end that I was successful. However, nothing seems to
have been imported.

Any ideas?
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