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Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Drew Hunthausen
 

The biggest advantage of having Jaws in the cloud in my opinion would be
that it wouldn't be effecting the operation of your PC. It would also be
much easier to use Jaws on multiple computers as you would just need to log
into the cloud on whatever computer you are using. As far as security goes,
for real hackers as long as a computer is connected to the internet
periodically it doesn't matter weather the info is on the cloud or the hard
drive they can still access it. Should be interesting what will happen with
this, but I am all for the cloud.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 3:35 PM
To: 'Peter Donahue'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Good evening Peter:

Over the last several years, we have seen a lot of news about some
exceedingly security-conscious organizations, e.g. US Government, being
hacked into. So, I do not believe that anything is "perfectly" safe; but, I
do believe that I am better off when I keep personal information very close
to home. In my view, no "cloud" is hacker-proof.

This feature may be seen by many as a good idea; but, I strongly believe
that users should be given the choice of where their JAWS settings are
saved! This kind of stuff is just too important to put out into an ethernet
cloud - public, or private! If I do not have an internet signal, what will
happen? Will I just have to wait until my signal returns before I can use
JAWS again. And, what happens if JAWS access is needed in an emergency?

In short, there MUST be a "fail-safe" way to access JAWS settings when
desired/required!

To be honest, finding a way to keep the Merge Utility would seem to be a
more "current" problem to resolve, rather than "where" JAWS settings are
stored. It still confounds me that it would be left out in JAWS 17; but, I
am only a "user".

For years, I have considered JAWS to be about the best screen reader,
despite its various problems. However, my perception of how Version 17 has
been planned, and especially regarding how much it appears that this version
was just not very-well thought out, is causing second thoughts on my part.

Perhaps, I'm a dinosaur; but, I bet that other JAWS users have the same
concern that I have expressed. Frankly, I want to KEEP my privacy as long
as I can, and I also would prefer that control of my "necessary" aids be
left in MY hands.

It is my hope that FS will keep these concerns in mind when going forward.
For instance, are there any plans to "re-introduce" the Merge Utility in an
upcoming "update" to Version 17? And, despite your confidence in "cloud
storage" of JAWS settings, might there be some thought to giving users that
"fail-safe" of which I wrote?

That's all for now. Thanks for listening.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue [mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 5:51 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Good afternoon,

There are public and private clouds. FS would obviously use a private
cloud to address privacy concerns. We use a number of cloud applications and
have not had issues with our privacy being compromized or our devices being
hacked. Being able to have JAWS reload user settings and configurations from
the cloud would be a welcome feature in a future version.

Peter Donahue




Jim Hamilton via Jfw wrote:
Sorry folks! My overriding concern is "privacy", of which there is
NONE
in
the cloud! And, it's yet more information available "out there" for
anyone,
with the skills, to find about me, or anyone else!

OK; so, I'm a technical dinosaur; bbut, I'm not alone.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:22 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hi all,
Having all settings, scripts, and all changes we make to JAWS stored
in
the
cloud excites me a lot. If FS created a service for us to do this, We
would
never lose our settings and our own scripts ever again. I agree. Bring
it on.


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Peter Donahue
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hello everyone,

For some having JAWS store your user settings in the cloud is big.
I have made this suggestion to FS for some time and would like to see
it become a reality. Your authorization code would be stored with your
user settings allowing JAWS to retrieve information such as saved
settings whenever you upgrade to a new version or install and
authorize it on another device. Bring it on FS!

Peter Donahue



Soronel Haetir via Jfw wrote:
The only possible benefit I could see of allowing jaws to save
settings to the cloud is if they loosen the licensing system so that
it is easier for a single user to use many devices.

On 11/6/15, Jim Hamilton via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
For one, I will continue to ignore requests to store "anything" in
the cloud! There is already far too much information out there,
online, about myself, and don't want any additional windows into my
life. If FS has this in mind for saving/changing our JAWS settings,
I will strongly protest.
Of
course, before protesting, I will wait to see what happens.

Jim H
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Re: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Tom Behler
 

David:

If you have any specific questions you think I could help with, feel free to
e-mail me at:

tombehler@gmail.com

I'm very much looking forward to your Google Chrome tutorial.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 3:15 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Hi Tom,
Good to talk to you.
I will indeed let you know what Freedom Scientific says. Google Chrome is
accessible enough to navigate web pages and to stream media. Chrome is so
fast. What I can tell you is that all navigation commands in JAWS work in
Chrome is in IE or Firefox. I have my Masters in Math Education, and I would
like to talk to you. Take care and have a great one.


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 11:12 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: RE: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

David:

Please let us know the results of your conversation with FS regarding Google
Chrome accessibility.

I have yet to try it, but may well do so if things continue to move in a
positive direction.

Currently, I use a combination of Internet Explorer and Firefox.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 1:07 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Hi Dennis,
I am the original person who said that Google Chrome is totally accessible.
My name is David Moore. Well, I didn't litterly mean totally accessible, and
I was very excited after working with Chrome after two days. I got carried
away. When I saw just how much more accessible Chrome has become in the last
two years, I wondered why the blind think that it is still totally
inaccessible. A lot of Chrome is accessible, much more than the blind
realize. Dennis, It is because of what you said that I have mentioned Chrome
on so many lists, and I am encouraging the blind to try it to see for
themselves just how far its accessibility has come. It still needs work, I
know. But I am asking the same question. Why is Freedom Scientific not
putting as much work into making Chrome accessible since it is by far the
most used browser in colleges and employment. It makes me wonder and I want
the blind to think about this question. I will keep quiet and just leave it
right there. By the way, Chrome is just as accessible with NVDA as it is
with JAWS. Also, the more tools you have the better off people are. Google
Chrome may not be to the point yet to make it your default browser, but it
is a good third browser to use. It is good to have two or three screen
readers as well. When it comes to streaming TV channels and so on, Chrome
beats IE and Firefox hands down. It never crashes once on me. I use Chrome
more than IE, because IE crashes almost every time I stream video with it.
It will not even open a large web site. Chrome opens large sites twice as
fast as IE. Many web sites are accessible with Chrome. I am glad people are
realizing it. If I caused a few people to try Chrome, I have done my job
which is to help all and bring what is hidden into the light. I am
contacting Freedom Scientific on Monday and asking a lot of questions about
making Chrome totally accessible and why it hasn't been done already. I urge
all of you to do the same. Enjoy Chrome for what it can do, not for what it
can not do. Take care all, and thank you Dennis for saying what you did.


-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 7:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Pat Byrne
Subject: Re: Assertion that "Chrome is not ready for prime time!"

Dennis,
Very well said.
Pat ByrneAt 06:33 PM 11/7/2015, you wrote:
Hello Gerald and others,
At Harvard and I think Stanford, Google Chrome is used in the
programming classes for web development, so they apparently do not
share Eric Damery's opinion as presented in the email post. I would be
curious to know how recently Eric made that statement. Chrome, at least
for sighted programmers is a very important program because it can
process the HTML source code from a webpage and present it in a very
"human readable" form, as opposed to simply displaying the source code
directly in its raw form. As David Malan who teaches CS50 and other web
programming courses at Harvard explains in the first class, IE and
Firefox
do not provide this capability.
He doesn't care what browsers students choose to use, he simply
explains that it will be much more difficult if one does not use Chrome
to do internet programming, because of its built-in tools.

Perhaps Eric meant that Chrome is not ready for prime time for blind
people using screen readers. If so, this is obviously very bad news for
blind programmers taking CS courses at Harvard and Stanford, since
their performance will be measured against sighted students in their
classes who are using Chrome, and the blind student's productivity will
be seriously diminished and their ability to complete their assignments
on time made almost impossible without Chrome.

Likewise, if employers are using Chrome for the same reason as David
Malan, and blind programmers can't use it, they are not going to be
hired. This isn't discrimination. The employer would be correct in
concluding that the blind programmer cannot do the job as quickly and
efficiently as a sighted programmer, so to hire the blind programmer
would mean the employer is paying the same money for less software output.

I had not looked at Chrome for almost 2 years since I tried to use it
in a programming course, and at that time I found it virtually
inaccessible using Jaws. When I downloaded it again 2 days ago after
reading an earlier email stating that it is now "totally accessible," I
was very pleased and surprised at the current level of Chrome's
accessibility. Prior to this, I believed their was something about the
way Chrome was programmed that made it inherently incompatible with
screen readers, but this is clearly not the case.

If Eric actually believes "Chrome isn't ready for prime time", then
this would explain and justify an anemic effort by Freedom Scientific
to support Chrome, since no company would spend development capital to
support a product which it believes is never going to take hold, or
won't mature for a substantial time.

But corporate decision making and assignment of priorities most times
falls somewhere between mysterious and inexplicable, and is too often
motivated by attempts to gain market advantage, or based on hidden
corporate alliances. Who can know? It has become a common practice for
salesmen to disparage products they don't sell or can't support, as
well as disparaging their own older products when they are now trying
to
sell their new ones.

I hope Jaws users will download Chrome, try to systematically find its
deficiencies with Jaws, and send this information to Freedom Scientific
so that Chrome can be made as close to 100 percent accessible as is
possible using a screen reader. for us as blind people, software like
Chrome is a matter of employment instead of unemployment. When I
obtained my MS in computer science in 1984, virtually all computer jobs
were available to me, because all programming environments were 100
percent accessible to me using my Braille computer terminal and an
Optacon
to fill in the gaps.

Today, so much software is inaccessible at a level necessary for
employment, that it has become increasingly difficult for us to find
and keep jobs of any sort, because most jobs involve using a computer.
And as many on this list know through personal experience, that which
is accessible today, can easily become inaccessible tomorrow simply
because a vendor chooses to release a software upgrade, with
unemployment being the result. When the blind employee can no longer
perform his job, what is the employer's alternative? The employer is
powerless to fix the problem, since they don't write the application
software or the screen reader programs.
Even if the employer doesn't wish to upgrade because of the effect it
will have on the blind employee, a small employer will ultimately have
no choice because the software vendor will stop support for the old
product to force the business to buy the new product.

I think it is critical that we as customers let Freedom Scientific know
what products we need to be made accessible, otherwise they can only guess.
This isn't their fault. By definition, they work for a small software
company, so the jobs they see and experience are in that environment,
and their priorities are established from that vantage point. If your a
blind lawyer and you cannot get or keep a job at a mega law firm
because the new law firm billing software is not accessible, this is
something FS won't experience and won't know about. Likewise, if you're
a financial advisor and you cannot get or keep a job at a Wall Street
firm or mega bank, FS will not know what job critical software must be
made accessible unless they are told. These are examples of the places
where jobs are located, and we cannot get and keep those jobs if we are
unable to use the software on which the jobs are based. Last time I
checked into this, most of the corporate networks for these large firms
are still running Windows XP, very old versions of MS Office, and the
inaccessible applications they are running are not Microsoft products.
I would be curious to know how much money and effort FS has spent on IE
11 accessibility as opposed to Google Chrome.

Just my 2 cents worth, but accounting for inflation may be worth 4
cents, though probably not quite that much.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy via Jfw"
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites



Which explains why Eric Damery still advises JAWS users to avoid Chrome.
As far as he is concerned, Chrome is still not ready yet for prime time.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 10:51 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Hi.

I can't get favorites, which Chrome calls bookmarks, to work as
quickly as they do in IE. Here's what I've figured out so far. I hope
the gaps can be filled in.

You get to bookmarks by pressing alt for the menu, then arrowing down.
Press enter on bookmarks. Here, I'm told that the shortcut
control-shift-b brings up bookmarks, but that shortcut isn't working
on my system when I'm outside this menu. Each time I have to go
through
the menu.

In IE, I press alt-a to bring up my favorites list, and first-letter
navigation works. I can't find anything this simple using Chrome.

One item in the bookmarks submenu allows you to import favorites settings.
I clicked on this, tabbed through the options, and was told at the end
that I was successful. However, nothing seems to have been imported.

Any ideas?
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Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

HAMILTON
 

Good evening Peter:

Over the last several years, we have seen a lot of news about some
exceedingly security-conscious organizations, e.g. US Government, being
hacked into. So, I do not believe that anything is "perfectly" safe; but, I
do believe that I am better off when I keep personal information very close
to home. In my view, no "cloud" is hacker-proof.

This feature may be seen by many as a good idea; but, I strongly believe
that users should be given the choice of where their JAWS settings are
saved! This kind of stuff is just too important to put out into an ethernet
cloud - public, or private! If I do not have an internet signal, what will
happen? Will I just have to wait until my signal returns before I can use
JAWS again. And, what happens if JAWS access is needed in an emergency?

In short, there MUST be a "fail-safe" way to access JAWS settings when
desired/required!

To be honest, finding a way to keep the Merge Utility would seem to be a
more "current" problem to resolve, rather than "where" JAWS settings are
stored. It still confounds me that it would be left out in JAWS 17; but, I
am only a "user".

For years, I have considered JAWS to be about the best screen reader,
despite its various problems. However, my perception of how Version 17 has
been planned, and especially regarding how much it appears that this version
was just not very-well thought out, is causing second thoughts on my part.

Perhaps, I'm a dinosaur; but, I bet that other JAWS users have the same
concern that I have expressed. Frankly, I want to KEEP my privacy as long
as I can, and I also would prefer that control of my "necessary" aids be
left in MY hands.

It is my hope that FS will keep these concerns in mind when going forward.
For instance, are there any plans to "re-introduce" the Merge Utility in an
upcoming "update" to Version 17? And, despite your confidence in "cloud
storage" of JAWS settings, might there be some thought to giving users that
"fail-safe" of which I wrote?

That's all for now. Thanks for listening.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue [mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 5:51 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Good afternoon,

There are public and private clouds. FS would obviously use a
private cloud to address privacy concerns. We use a number of cloud
applications and have not had issues with our privacy being compromized
or our devices being hacked. Being able to have JAWS reload user
settings and configurations from the cloud would be a welcome feature in
a future version.

Peter Donahue




Jim Hamilton via Jfw wrote:
Sorry folks! My overriding concern is "privacy", of which there is NONE
in
the cloud! And, it's yet more information available "out there" for
anyone,
with the skills, to find about me, or anyone else!

OK; so, I'm a technical dinosaur; bbut, I'm not alone.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:22 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hi all,
Having all settings, scripts, and all changes we make to JAWS stored in
the
cloud excites me a lot. If FS created a service for us to do this, We
would
never lose our settings and our own scripts ever again. I agree. Bring it
on.


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Peter Donahue
Subject: Re: Jaws and the Cloud, was Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7

Hello everyone,

For some having JAWS store your user settings in the cloud is big.
I have made this suggestion to FS for some time and would like to see it
become a reality. Your authorization code would be stored with your user
settings allowing JAWS to retrieve information such as saved settings
whenever you upgrade to a new version or install and authorize it on
another device. Bring it on FS!

Peter Donahue



Soronel Haetir via Jfw wrote:
The only possible benefit I could see of allowing jaws to save
settings to the cloud is if they loosen the licensing system so that
it is easier for a single user to use many devices.

On 11/6/15, Jim Hamilton via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
For one, I will continue to ignore requests to store "anything" in the
cloud! There is already far too much information out there, online,
about
myself, and don't want any additional windows into my life. If FS has
this
in mind for saving/changing our JAWS settings, I will strongly protest.
Of
course, before protesting, I will wait to see what happens.

Jim H
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Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, David. I don't save favorites the traditional way in Firefox. I use an AdOn called PlainOldFavorites which you can get from the folowing link:

http://www.iosart.com/firefox/plainoldfavorites/

This causes Firefox to save Favorites the same way as Internet Explorer does, and in the same folder as IE does.

Thank you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites


Hi Bill,
Book marks are stored in Chrome just like they are in Firefox. Unfortunately, just like Firefox, you cannot go to your favorites folder on your computer and get them there. Only IE favorites are stored in that favorites folder on your computer. Do you know how to download the bookmarks you save in Firefox? I like to save all of my favorites on my external disk drive. That is easy for IE favorites, however, book marks are not stored in the favorites folder under your name on the C drive. I had to bring up each book mark in Firefox, copy the URL, and paste it in IE and save it as a favorite in IE so it would go into the favorites folder on the computer. Take care.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 10:26 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Hi, Adrian. When you say that Bookmarks in Chrome is like Favorites in
Internet Explorer, do you know if Bookmarks in Chrome are stored as
shortcuts the way IE stores them, or does Chrome store Bookmarks in a data
file the way Firefox does?

Thank you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:18 AM
Subject: RE: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites


I can elaborate on this. Note that the term "bookmarks" in Chrome means the same thing as "favorites" in IE.

First, the fastest way I've found to get to book marks is to press alt, down arrow once, then press b. From there, as David says, right arrow into the main bookmarks menu, which includes bookmarks created in Chrome, and arrow up or down through the options.

However, first-letter navigation through this main bookmarks menu is risky. When entering this menu, do not press "I." It seems to take me to the bookmarks bar, which I find inefficient and confusing. This impairs the value of using bookmarks in this list, at least for me, because I use first-letter navigation in my IE favorites list all the time.

However, as I mentioned in an earlier post, Chrome makes it very easy to import IE favorites. In the main bookmarks menu, arrow to "Import book marks and settings..." Press enter and start tabbing.

Now that I've imported my IE settings, I now arrow down through the main bookmarks menu to "Imported from IE " to access the favorites/bookmarks I've created over the years. At that point, right arrow twice to enter the IE favorites/bookmarks list. First-letter navigation works fine here.

The bookmarks shortcut, control-shift-b, doesn't immediately work, and I'm confused by what it actually does do. This so-called bar, once I finally get there, requires tabbing, and first-letter navigation doesn't work. I've unchecked "Show bookmarks bar" by pressing enter on this main bookmarks menu item.

Short version: for now, I'll avoid creating bookmarks in Chrome, even though control-d makes it easy to do, and rely on my imported IE favorites.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 1:54 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Hi all,
David Moore here. I can tell you now how to work with book marks in Chrome.
To put a web page in your book marks, press ctrl + D. It is saved right
then. Now, to Look and open your book marks, just press alt and down arrow
through the chrome menu until you hear book marks. Next, press right arrow
to open up your book marks, and just press enter on the one you want to open
up. I will tell you about other features as I figure them out and some time
this week, I hope to do an audio tutorial for Chrome. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 12:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Thank you, Ann. Needless to say, it works. However, with IE as my default,
naturally when I click a favorite, IE takes over. I won't make Chrome my
default until various problems are solved. It would be nice to find Chrome
"fully" accessible because it runs much better than the other browsers, but
I'm not yet convinced. I hope David Moore can address bookmarks and other
issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 11:48 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ann Byrne
Subject: Re: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

In windows 7, Favorites can be accessed by pressing Windows key, then
tab, then enter, then 'f' or down arrowing to the favorites
list. This should be independent of your browser. So if you just
want one favorite, it might be faster to go that way.
At 10:35 AM 11/7/2015, you wrote:

Which explains why Eric Damery still advises JAWS users to avoid
Chrome. As far as he is concerned, Chrome is still not ready yet
for prime time.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 10:51 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Chrome and bookmarks/favorites

Hi.

I can't get favorites, which Chrome calls bookmarks, to work as
quickly as they do in IE. Here's what I've figured out so far. I
hope the gaps can be filled in.

You get to bookmarks by pressing alt for the menu, then arrowing
down. Press enter on bookmarks. Here, I'm told that the shortcut
control-shift-b brings up bookmarks, but that shortcut isn't working
on my system when I'm outside this menu. Each time I have to go
through the menu.

In IE, I press alt-a to bring up my favorites list, and first-letter
navigation works. I can't find anything this simple using Chrome.

One item in the bookmarks submenu allows you to import favorites
settings. I clicked on this, tabbed through the options, and was
told at the end that I was successful. However, nothing seems to
have been imported.

Any ideas?
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Re: [b-f] driving home

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

I want the admin to show up, so lets post more off topic emails!
That email was touching though.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of judith bron
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 3:05 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: judith bron <jbron@optonline.net>
Subject: RE: [b-f] driving home

I'm glad you accidently sent this. Now before our admin suddenly appears
and cancels all our subscriptions we'll return to our usual programming.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Louise Johnson
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 5:32 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Louise Johnson
Subject: RE: [b-f] driving home

Hi everyone so sorry I sent this email was sending to friends and the email
address came into the edit field and I didn't realize it until it came into
my email box. So sorry hope I won't get kicked off for this mistake as I
learn so much from all. Louise and princess Kiara


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via Jfw
Sent: November 8, 2015 2:28 PM
To: jaws List <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Louise Johnson <herclouise@shaw.ca>
Subject: FW: [b-f] driving home





From: blind-friends [mailto:blind-friends-bounces@emissives.com] On Behalf
Of John Allen via blind-friends
Sent: November 8, 2015 10:28 AM
Cc: BUSHIDO988@aol.com
Subject: [b-f] driving home



driving home



This was written by a Metro Denver Hospice Physician a few years ago:



I was driving home from a meeting this evening about 5, stuck in traffic on
Colorado Blvd., and the car started to choke and splutter and die - I barely
managed to coast into a gas station, glad only that I would not be blocking
traffic and would have a somewhat warm spot to wait for the tow truck. It
wouldn't even turn over. Before I could make the call, I saw a woman walking
out of the quickie mart building, and it looked like she slipped on some ice
and fell into a gas pump, so I got out to see if she was okay



When I got there, it looked more like she had been overcome by sobs than
that she had fallen; she was a young woman who looked really haggard with
dark circles under her eyes. She dropped something as I helped her up, and I
picked it up to give it to her. It was a nickel.



At that moment, everything came into focus for me: the crying woman, the
ancient Suburban crammed full of stuff with 3 kids in the back (1 in a car
seat), and the gas pump reading $4.95.



I asked her if she was okay and if she needed help, and she just kept saying
'I don't want my kids to see me crying,' so we stood on the other side of
the pump from her car. She said she was driving to California and that
things were very hard for her right now. So I asked, 'And you were praying?'
That
made her back away from me a little, but I assured her I was not a crazy
person and said, 'He heard you, and He sent me.'



I took out my card and swiped it through the card reader on the pump so she
could fill up her car completely, and while it was fueling, walked to the
next door McDonald's and bought 2 big bags of food, some gift certificates
for more, and a big cup of coffee. She gave the food to the kids in the car,
who attacked it like wolves, and we stood by the pump eating fries and
talking a little.



She told me her name, and that she lived in Kansas City Her boyfriend left 2
months ago and she had not been able to make ends meet. She knew she
wouldn't have money to pay rent Jan. 1, and finally in desperation had
finally called her parents, with whom she had not spoken in about 5 years.
They lived in California and said she could come live with them and try to
get on her feet there.



So she packed up everything she owned in the car. She told the kids they
were going to California for Christmas, but not that they were going to live
there.



I gave her my gloves, a little hug and said a quick prayer with her for
safety on the road. As I was walking over to my car, she said, 'So, are you
like an angel or something?'



This definitely made me cry. I said, 'Sweetie, at this time of year angels
are really busy, so sometimes God uses regular people.'



It was so incredible to be a part of someone else's miracle. And of course,
you guessed it, when I got in my car it started right away and got me home
with no problem. I'll put it in the shop tomorrow to check, but I suspect
the mechanic won't find anything wrong.



Sometimes the angels fly close enough to you that you can hear the flutter
of their wings...



Psalms 55:22 'Cast thy burden upon the Lord, and He shall sustain thee. He
shall never suffer the righteous to be moved.'

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Re: Google Chrome and Youtube

David Moore
 

Hi,
I have not heard any of that kind of information with IE or Firefox. This is the fun we have when we investigate a new program. getting all of that info is something that only chrome can give to my knowledge. Way to go finding that out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Clark via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 4:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hello Everyone,
While going to several youtube videos using Chrome, I noticed something that I had not noticed before using IE or Firefox. When the page launched, an advertisement started to play, but in the background I could hear Jaws announce that an advertisement was playing and that it could be stopped. As I arrowed down, I could make out that there was a button to stop the advertisement, and when I pressed the space bar, the advertisement stopped instantly and the Youtube video immediately started playing. I am not using the latest IE or Firefox, so it is possible that each of these browsers report the same information, but this is the first time I have heard the stop option. It also reports the length of the advertisement and how much has already played. I'm curious to know if what I have described is present with the current versions of IE and or Firefox.
Thanks,
Dennis
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Re: [b-f] driving home

judith bron
 

I'm glad you accidently sent this. Now before our admin suddenly appears
and cancels all our subscriptions we'll return to our usual programming.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Louise Johnson
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 5:32 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Louise Johnson
Subject: RE: [b-f] driving home

Hi everyone so sorry I sent this email was sending to friends and the email
address came into the edit field and I didn't realize it until it came into
my email box. So sorry hope I won't get kicked off for this mistake as I
learn so much from all. Louise and princess Kiara


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Louise Johnson
via Jfw
Sent: November 8, 2015 2:28 PM
To: jaws List <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Louise Johnson <herclouise@shaw.ca>
Subject: FW: [b-f] driving home





From: blind-friends [mailto:blind-friends-bounces@emissives.com] On Behalf
Of John Allen via blind-friends
Sent: November 8, 2015 10:28 AM
Cc: BUSHIDO988@aol.com
Subject: [b-f] driving home



driving home



This was written by a Metro Denver Hospice Physician a few years ago:



I was driving home from a meeting this evening about 5, stuck in traffic on
Colorado Blvd., and the car started to choke and splutter and die - I barely
managed to coast into a gas station, glad only that I would not be blocking
traffic and would have a somewhat warm spot to wait for the tow truck. It
wouldn't even turn over. Before I could make the call, I saw a woman walking
out of the quickie mart building, and it looked like she slipped on some ice
and fell into a gas pump, so I got out to see if she was okay



When I got there, it looked more like she had been overcome by sobs than
that she had fallen; she was a young woman who looked really haggard with
dark circles under her eyes. She dropped something as I helped her up, and I
picked it up to give it to her. It was a nickel.



At that moment, everything came into focus for me: the crying woman, the
ancient Suburban crammed full of stuff with 3 kids in the back (1 in a car
seat), and the gas pump reading $4.95.



I asked her if she was okay and if she needed help, and she just kept saying
'I don't want my kids to see me crying,' so we stood on the other side of
the pump from her car. She said she was driving to California and that
things were very hard for her right now. So I asked, 'And you were praying?'
That
made her back away from me a little, but I assured her I was not a crazy
person and said, 'He heard you, and He sent me.'



I took out my card and swiped it through the card reader on the pump so she
could fill up her car completely, and while it was fueling, walked to the
next door McDonald's and bought 2 big bags of food, some gift certificates
for more, and a big cup of coffee. She gave the food to the kids in the car,
who attacked it like wolves, and we stood by the pump eating fries and
talking a little.



She told me her name, and that she lived in Kansas City Her boyfriend left 2
months ago and she had not been able to make ends meet. She knew she
wouldn't have money to pay rent Jan. 1, and finally in desperation had
finally called her parents, with whom she had not spoken in about 5 years.
They lived in California and said she could come live with them and try to
get on her feet there.



So she packed up everything she owned in the car. She told the kids they
were going to California for Christmas, but not that they were going to live
there.



I gave her my gloves, a little hug and said a quick prayer with her for
safety on the road. As I was walking over to my car, she said, 'So, are you
like an angel or something?'



This definitely made me cry. I said, 'Sweetie, at this time of year angels
are really busy, so sometimes God uses regular people.'



It was so incredible to be a part of someone else's miracle. And of course,
you guessed it, when I got in my car it started right away and got me home
with no problem. I'll put it in the shop tomorrow to check, but I suspect
the mechanic won't find anything wrong.



Sometimes the angels fly close enough to you that you can hear the flutter
of their wings...



Psalms 55:22 'Cast thy burden upon the Lord, and He shall sustain thee. He
shall never suffer the righteous to be moved.'

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Re: UNSUBCRIBE...

Soronel Haetir
 

You don't unsubscribe by sending a message to the main mail address,
and especially not by misspelling the command.

Go to https://www.freelists.org/list/jfw

enter your email address in the field then select unsubscribe from the
combo box and hit the 'go' button

I'm not sure but you will likely receive a confirmation mail message
that you need to click a link in (you may want to check your junk or
spam folder to see if you have already received such a message but
just not seen it).

On 11/8/15, Michael Grove via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I HAVE ASKED TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS LIST THREE TIMES. I FEEL IT IS TIME
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Re: PDF forms

HAMILTON
 

In fact, I have done this in the past, and requires relatively few steps to
get it done. However, I believe there is a more direct way to " import and
edit PDF's", keying on the word "import".

Of course, if people have difficulty reading a PDF document in Acrobat
Reader, the "convenient OCR" could also be tried; but, that would not help
much with the "edit" part.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Jarreau [mailto:andre.jarreau@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 3:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: PDF forms

Jim,

You can sometimes open the PDF then control-a to select all then press
control-c to copy to clipboard. Then open a new blank word doc and press
control-v to paste contents of the clipboard into the word doc. Then save
the word doc as you normally would.

At this point you have the entire content of the PDF in Word along with all
fonts, colors etc. When this method works. It really works well! Hope this
helps.

Andre

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 11:15 AM
To: 'Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: PDF forms

Please tell me the steps to take to " import and edit PDF's" into MS Word.
Thanks.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) [mailto:Ted.Lisle@ky.gov]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 1:24 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: PDF forms

What edition of Office do you have? 2013 can import and edit PDF's, just as
if you owned a copy of Acrobat.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Corner
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 10:05 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Barbara Corner
Subject: PDF forms

What is the best way to read , then complete and then read completed forms
in PDF?

If I tab I can read the information as to what I need to put in the boxes
but it skips other text.
If I arrow down I can't always find where to put in the text in the edit
fields.
Thanks!
Bar




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Re: Chrome and Twitter

David Moore
 

Hi Andre,
You are so welcome. If you want a free twitter client, there are two others that I would recommend that are just as good as Chicken Nugget. I know that Chicken Nugget does cost money. Here are two more to check out that are free. The first client is TW blue. The second one is one I use, and it is called The Qube. Both of those are free downloads and are very good. I really like the Qube, because you can use it with all key commands. You do not have to work with the menus at all. I can send and reply to tweets so fast using the Qube. Get a hold of me anytime at my personal email or on Skype. My Skype ID is:
david.moore3507. Take care.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Jarreau via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 4:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: RE: Chrome and Twitter

Hi David,

This is what I found using Control-L in Chrome. On my machine it works with
a minor twist. After hitting Control-L and typing or pasting a URL into the
edit field you must hit the down arrow key one time for JAWS to speak what
you have entered. Then hitting the enter key at this point takes you where
you want to go.

I'm not sure how it works on other machines but this is how it works on
mine. And works well.

Also thanks for the link for web accessible twitter and the Twitter client
Chicken Nugget you sent. I am checking out both to see which way is best.
Very encouraged and can't wait to see the podcast you come up with for
Chrome.

Andre

Andre Jarreau
Business, music and engineering
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 12:27 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Chrome and Twitter

Hi there,
Are you trying to get to Twitter's web site? If you are, just press ctrl + L
and type www.twitter.com It should go to the Twitter web site just like any
other site. I just tried it and it did. However, the Twitter main web site
is very difficult to use.
You should try this web site:
www.easychirp.com
That is an accessible web site that links into your twitter account, but it
is much easier to navigate and to use than the main Twitter site. Even
better, is to use a client like Chicken Nugget to work with your Twitter
account, because you can send and receive tweets, reply to tweets, and all
you want to do right in a desk top program instead of being on the web at
all. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Jarreau via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 4:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: Chrome and Twitter

I may be doing something wrong. At the Google home page in Chrome I want to
go to Twitter.com and can't seem to get there. Tried keystrokes common in
IE but didn't work in Chrome.



Does anyone know the keystroke commands to get to Twitter? Thanks


Re: [b-f] driving home

Louise Johnson <herclouise@...>
 

Hi everyone so sorry I sent this email was sending to friends and the email
address came into the edit field and I didn't realize it until it came into
my email box. So sorry hope I won't get kicked off for this mistake as I
learn so much from all. Louise and princess Kiara

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Louise Johnson
via Jfw
Sent: November 8, 2015 2:28 PM
To: jaws List <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Louise Johnson <herclouise@shaw.ca>
Subject: FW: [b-f] driving home





From: blind-friends [mailto:blind-friends-bounces@emissives.com] On Behalf
Of John Allen via blind-friends
Sent: November 8, 2015 10:28 AM
Cc: BUSHIDO988@aol.com
Subject: [b-f] driving home



driving home



This was written by a Metro Denver Hospice Physician a few years ago:



I was driving home from a meeting this evening about 5, stuck in traffic on
Colorado Blvd., and the car started to choke and splutter and die - I barely
managed to coast into a gas station, glad only that I would not be blocking
traffic and would have a somewhat warm spot to wait for the tow truck. It
wouldn't
even turn over. Before I could make the call, I saw a woman walking out of
the quickie mart building, and it looked like she slipped on some ice and
fell
into a gas pump, so I got out to see if she was okay



When I got there, it looked more like she had been overcome by sobs than
that she had fallen; she was a young woman who looked really haggard with
dark
circles under her eyes. She dropped something as I helped her up, and I
picked it up to give it to her. It was a nickel.



At that moment, everything came into focus for me: the crying woman, the
ancient Suburban crammed full of stuff with 3 kids in the back (1 in a car
seat),
and the gas pump reading $4.95.



I asked her if she was okay and if she needed help, and she just kept saying
'I don't want my kids to see me crying,' so we stood on the other side of
the pump from her car. She said she was driving to California and that
things were very hard for her right now. So I asked, 'And you were praying?'
That
made her back away from me a little, but I assured her I was not a crazy
person and said, 'He heard you, and He sent me.'



I took out my card and swiped it through the card reader on the pump so she
could fill up her car completely, and while it was fueling, walked to the
next
door McDonald's and bought 2 big bags of food, some gift certificates for
more, and a big cup of coffee. She gave the food to the kids in the car, who
attacked it like wolves, and we stood by the pump eating fries and talking a
little.



She told me her name, and that she lived in Kansas City Her boyfriend left 2
months ago and she had not been able to make ends meet. She knew she
wouldn't
have money to pay rent Jan. 1, and finally in desperation had finally called
her parents, with whom she had not spoken in about 5 years. They lived in
California and said she could come live with them and try to get on her feet
there.



So she packed up everything she owned in the car. She told the kids they
were going to California for Christmas, but not that they were going to live
there.



I gave her my gloves, a little hug and said a quick prayer with her for
safety on the road. As I was walking over to my car, she said, 'So, are you
like
an angel or something?'



This definitely made me cry. I said, 'Sweetie, at this time of year angels
are really busy, so sometimes God uses regular people.'



It was so incredible to be a part of someone else's miracle. And of course,
you guessed it, when I got in my car it started right away and got me home
with no problem. I'll put it in the shop tomorrow to check, but I suspect
the mechanic won't find anything wrong.



Sometimes the angels fly close enough to you that you can hear the flutter
of their wings...



Psalms 55:22 'Cast thy burden upon the Lord, and He shall sustain thee. He
shall never suffer the righteous to be moved.'

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FW: [b-f] driving home

Louise Johnson <herclouise@...>
 

From: blind-friends [mailto:blind-friends-bounces@emissives.com] On Behalf
Of John Allen via blind-friends
Sent: November 8, 2015 10:28 AM
Cc: BUSHIDO988@aol.com
Subject: [b-f] driving home



driving home



This was written by a Metro Denver Hospice Physician a few years ago:



I was driving home from a meeting this evening about 5, stuck in traffic on
Colorado Blvd., and the car started to choke and splutter and die - I barely
managed to coast into a gas station, glad only that I would not be blocking
traffic and would have a somewhat warm spot to wait for the tow truck. It
wouldn't
even turn over. Before I could make the call, I saw a woman walking out of
the quickie mart building, and it looked like she slipped on some ice and
fell
into a gas pump, so I got out to see if she was okay



When I got there, it looked more like she had been overcome by sobs than
that she had fallen; she was a young woman who looked really haggard with
dark
circles under her eyes. She dropped something as I helped her up, and I
picked it up to give it to her. It was a nickel.



At that moment, everything came into focus for me: the crying woman, the
ancient Suburban crammed full of stuff with 3 kids in the back (1 in a car
seat),
and the gas pump reading $4.95.



I asked her if she was okay and if she needed help, and she just kept saying
'I don't want my kids to see me crying,' so we stood on the other side of
the pump from her car. She said she was driving to California and that
things were very hard for her right now. So I asked, 'And you were praying?'
That
made her back away from me a little, but I assured her I was not a crazy
person and said, 'He heard you, and He sent me.'



I took out my card and swiped it through the card reader on the pump so she
could fill up her car completely, and while it was fueling, walked to the
next
door McDonald's and bought 2 big bags of food, some gift certificates for
more, and a big cup of coffee. She gave the food to the kids in the car, who
attacked it like wolves, and we stood by the pump eating fries and talking a
little.



She told me her name, and that she lived in Kansas City Her boyfriend left 2
months ago and she had not been able to make ends meet. She knew she
wouldn't
have money to pay rent Jan. 1, and finally in desperation had finally called
her parents, with whom she had not spoken in about 5 years. They lived in
California and said she could come live with them and try to get on her feet
there.



So she packed up everything she owned in the car. She told the kids they
were going to California for Christmas, but not that they were going to live
there.



I gave her my gloves, a little hug and said a quick prayer with her for
safety on the road. As I was walking over to my car, she said, 'So, are you
like
an angel or something?'



This definitely made me cry. I said, 'Sweetie, at this time of year angels
are really busy, so sometimes God uses regular people.'



It was so incredible to be a part of someone else's miracle. And of course,
you guessed it, when I got in my car it started right away and got me home
with no problem. I'll put it in the shop tomorrow to check, but I suspect
the mechanic won't find anything wrong.



Sometimes the angels fly close enough to you that you can hear the flutter
of their wings...



Psalms 55:22 'Cast thy burden upon the Lord, and He shall sustain thee. He
shall never suffer the righteous to be moved.'

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UNSUBCRIBE...

Michael Grove <attackfisherman1@...>
 

I HAVE ASKED TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS LIST THREE TIMES. I FEEL IT IS TIME
THAT YOU DO WHAT I ASK.

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Re: calling out the admin

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Thanks.
I just want to know why I can't subscribe with another email an how no
confirmation is sent when I make that change under my profile.
I'm not sure if it's an outlook.com thing or configuration of the list.

I've looked at my junk settings, the folders, can't find a spam folder on
outlook.com, so I'm flustered lol.
I prefer to have everything I am involved with go to one email, aint nobody
got time for multiple email addresses for different groups lol.
Take care.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 1:45 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: calling out the admin

If it helps. I'm not the admin but it came through here fine.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 3:24 PM
To: jfw
Cc: Kimsan
Subject: calling out the admin

I'm not sure if my email is going through, but if the admin reads this,
please email me at kimsansong@gmail.com <mailto:kimsansong@gmail.com> .

Yes, the address is on the homepage; however, I've emailed that address I
believe 3 times with no answer.

Thank you.





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Re: calling out the admin

Maria Campbell
 

No one seems to take any control on this list. We are more or less on our own. That's why we can sort of knock on JAWS without reprisal. LOL

On 11/8/2015 3:24 PM, Kimsan via Jfw wrote:
I'm not sure if my email is going through, but if the admin reads this,
please email me at kimsansong@gmail.com <mailto:kimsansong@gmail.com> .

Yes, the address is on the homepage; however, I've emailed that address I
believe 3 times with no answer.

Thank you.





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Trials without God will break you. Trials with God will make you.


Re: Google Chrome and YouTube

Adrian Spratt
 

Dennis,

This announcement, which does appear visually, is never picked up by IE. I don't use Firefox often enough to comment. Remember, F5 will cut short an ad if that option appears on-screen, whether or not verbalized by JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 4:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Google Chrome and Youtube

Hello Everyone,
While going to several youtube videos using Chrome, I noticed something that I had not noticed before using IE or Firefox. When the page launched, an advertisement started to play, but in the background I could hear Jaws announce that an advertisement was playing and that it could be stopped. As I arrowed down, I could make out that there was a button to stop the advertisement, and when I pressed the space bar, the advertisement stopped instantly and the Youtube video immediately started playing. I am not using the latest IE or Firefox, so it is possible that each of these browsers report the same information, but this is the first time I have heard the stop option. It also reports the length of the advertisement and how much has already played. I'm curious to know if what I have described is present with the current versions of IE and or Firefox.
Thanks,
Dennis
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Re: calling out the admin

Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
 

If it helps. I'm not the admin but it came through here fine.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 3:24 PM
To: jfw
Cc: Kimsan
Subject: calling out the admin

I'm not sure if my email is going through, but if the admin reads this,
please email me at kimsansong@gmail.com <mailto:kimsansong@gmail.com> .

Yes, the address is on the homepage; however, I've emailed that address I
believe 3 times with no answer.

Thank you.





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Google Chrome and Youtube

Dennis Clark <dennis@...>
 

Hello Everyone,
While going to several youtube videos using Chrome, I noticed something that I had not noticed before using IE or Firefox. When the page launched, an advertisement started to play, but in the background I could hear Jaws announce that an advertisement was playing and that it could be stopped. As I arrowed down, I could make out that there was a button to stop the advertisement, and when I pressed the space bar, the advertisement stopped instantly and the Youtube video immediately started playing. I am not using the latest IE or Firefox, so it is possible that each of these browsers report the same information, but this is the first time I have heard the stop option. It also reports the length of the advertisement and how much has already played. I'm curious to know if what I have described is present with the current versions of IE and or Firefox.
Thanks,
Dennis
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Re: Chrome and Twitter

Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
 

Hi David,

This is what I found using Control-L in Chrome. On my machine it works with
a minor twist. After hitting Control-L and typing or pasting a URL into the
edit field you must hit the down arrow key one time for JAWS to speak what
you have entered. Then hitting the enter key at this point takes you where
you want to go.

I'm not sure how it works on other machines but this is how it works on
mine. And works well.

Also thanks for the link for web accessible twitter and the Twitter client
Chicken Nugget you sent. I am checking out both to see which way is best.
Very encouraged and can't wait to see the podcast you come up with for
Chrome.

Andre

Andre Jarreau
Business, music and engineering

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 12:27 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: Chrome and Twitter

Hi there,
Are you trying to get to Twitter's web site? If you are, just press ctrl + L
and type www.twitter.com It should go to the Twitter web site just like any
other site. I just tried it and it did. However, the Twitter main web site
is very difficult to use.
You should try this web site:
www.easychirp.com
That is an accessible web site that links into your twitter account, but it
is much easier to navigate and to use than the main Twitter site. Even
better, is to use a client like Chicken Nugget to work with your Twitter
account, because you can send and receive tweets, reply to tweets, and all
you want to do right in a desk top program instead of being on the web at
all. Take care.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Jarreau via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 4:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Andre Jarreau
Subject: Chrome and Twitter

I may be doing something wrong. At the Google home page in Chrome I want to
go to Twitter.com and can't seem to get there. Tried keystrokes common in
IE but didn't work in Chrome.



Does anyone know the keystroke commands to get to Twitter? Thanks