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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Who or what are they, sounds like a PBS broadcast.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 6:04 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Aidan
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

I totally agree. Thanks for those who support me. I think for most of us its about time to move and talk with our wallits. I'm strongly considering to move over to supernova. They don't upgrade every year for the sake of meeting a stupid skedual, and therefore its cheaper to upgrade whenever it arrives. Only thing is they stil need to support some apps better before I can really make that switch.

On 05/11/2015, Curtis Delzer via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I mean, talk about blowing smoke, that is . . . definitely.
That should always be a property of the new update, to make sure your
personalized settings are integrated, and just because something new
is so different, that only means that the developer must take care of
the customer base so that the differences can be handled by customized
settings which can be applied to the newer version. Talk about a crock
of double talk, "working on it," when if the plan had been to not
include a merge utility, that should have been in the stage of
development from the get go, not "we're working on it," now.
If a setting is so new, then double duh! some kind of utility to
upgrade and update settings should be employed, not thrown into the
discard.
Thinking with their lack of ideas, it seems to me. How about that,
"thinking with their lack of ideas."
That's like saying, when the guy snores next to you as you whack him
him to wake him up, "hey! hey!" "Wake up and go to sleep."
duh! and double duh! Pure and simple, someone just . . . screwed up,
and there is no denial that can make up for that.



At 08:01 PM 11/4/2015, you wrote:
Well, I'm sorry! FS telling us that they are "working on it" is just
not good enough!

Can you tell that I'm upset?

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:49 PM
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Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

I agree with Mike. I'm sure that they are working on something.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells
about the Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now
anyways. This comes from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process.
This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these
changes, the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as
settings from prior versions cannot be merged. We are planning a
solution for the future which will replace this utility and provide an
even greater benefit for our customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if
someone on the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding
this issue, we might be able to get enough signitures to make an
impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college
teaching semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at
this point, and I sure would like to have the use of the merge
utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience
and ease of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to
be fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important
this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to
start all over again with the settings they've created over the
course of years?
Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer
being important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new
that it would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement
a replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps
to use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart
navigation, wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this
was going to be more bennifishil to more people and now that its
not ready it will affect everyone negatively.

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Re: using chrome

dennis
 

just press f6 it will cycle you through the buttons.

On 11/5/2015 1:53 PM, Michael Mote via Jfw wrote:
I have used the key stroke Alt plus N to find the buttons when downloading a
file in IE. I am successful most of the time. Another way that might work
is by pressing Alt plus the letter D to get to the address bar, and then
using shift tab to find the buttons.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Dennis Clark <dennis@dgclark.net>
Subject: Re: using chrome

Hello Adrian,
You mentioned that you are using IE 11. One of our computers has IE 11, and
when I attempted to download a file, I couldn't figure out how to do it. A
screen popped up which asked if I wanted to open or save the file, but I
couldn't find a place to activate either of these options. There was a link
for more information and a close button. Are there some settings I need to
change?
Thanks Adrian, or anyone else with IE 11 experience.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: using chrome


Dennis,

I downloaded google Chrome and tested
www.amc.com
which you mention. As you say, there's no link or edit field related to
"sign in," and the JAWS cursor verbalizes only a graphic.

No question, Chrome works very fast and brings up a clean interface, but
it isn't fully accessible, as previously claimed. IE11 will remain my
default browser until someone demonstrates how to overcome these drawbacks
or Google fixes them. I do recall that someone on this list explained why
the JAWS cursor doesn't work well with Firefox, and I also recall there's
a complicated fix, so the JAWS cursor problem may be a function of
changing technology with which FS needs to catch up.

I had difficulty finding the right download link for my Windows 7, 64-bit
machine. For anyone interested, here's the right link:
http://www.downloadx64.com/google-chrome-64-bit/

Now that I've installed Chrome, every time I open it, it tells me it isn't
my default, but it moves on too fast for me even to locate a checkbox or
other field in the event I one day do want it to be my default.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of dennis via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:29 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: dennis
Subject: Re: using chrome

i should have said... this is only in chrome...

On 11/5/2015 10:25 AM, Bissett, Tom via Jfw wrote:
It is not that the jaws cursor doesn't work but rather with the changes
in operating systems and the way in which jaws works there is little for
the jaws cursor to see. Does your jaws cursor read whats on the desktop?
If so it is not broken.
Tom Bisset
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of dennis via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:00 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: dennis
Subject: using chrome

another thing i have just noticed and its in jaws 16 and 17, the jaws
curcer does not work. don't know if there is a fix for this or not.

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Re: using chrome

Michael Mote
 

I have used the key stroke Alt plus N to find the buttons when downloading a
file in IE. I am successful most of the time. Another way that might work
is by pressing Alt plus the letter D to get to the address bar, and then
using shift tab to find the buttons.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Dennis Clark <dennis@dgclark.net>
Subject: Re: using chrome

Hello Adrian,
You mentioned that you are using IE 11. One of our computers has IE 11, and
when I attempted to download a file, I couldn't figure out how to do it. A
screen popped up which asked if I wanted to open or save the file, but I
couldn't find a place to activate either of these options. There was a link
for more information and a close button. Are there some settings I need to
change?
Thanks Adrian, or anyone else with IE 11 experience.

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From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: using chrome


Dennis,

I downloaded google Chrome and tested
www.amc.com
which you mention. As you say, there's no link or edit field related to
"sign in," and the JAWS cursor verbalizes only a graphic.

No question, Chrome works very fast and brings up a clean interface, but
it isn't fully accessible, as previously claimed. IE11 will remain my
default browser until someone demonstrates how to overcome these drawbacks
or Google fixes them. I do recall that someone on this list explained why
the JAWS cursor doesn't work well with Firefox, and I also recall there's
a complicated fix, so the JAWS cursor problem may be a function of
changing technology with which FS needs to catch up.

I had difficulty finding the right download link for my Windows 7, 64-bit
machine. For anyone interested, here's the right link:
http://www.downloadx64.com/google-chrome-64-bit/

Now that I've installed Chrome, every time I open it, it tells me it isn't
my default, but it moves on too fast for me even to locate a checkbox or
other field in the event I one day do want it to be my default.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of dennis via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:29 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: dennis
Subject: Re: using chrome

i should have said... this is only in chrome...

On 11/5/2015 10:25 AM, Bissett, Tom via Jfw wrote:
It is not that the jaws cursor doesn't work but rather with the changes
in operating systems and the way in which jaws works there is little for
the jaws cursor to see. Does your jaws cursor read whats on the desktop?
If so it is not broken.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of dennis via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:00 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: dennis
Subject: using chrome

another thing i have just noticed and its in jaws 16 and 17, the jaws
curcer does not work. don't know if there is a fix for this or not.

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Re: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Has FS taken it off the persona non grata list. Last time I fooled with it, it posed some real problems; I once needed sighted help to get the PC going again.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Moore via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 4:50 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Moore
Subject: Google Chrome is totally accessible

Hi all.
I have been experimenting with Google Chrome Browser, and I have found that it is very accessible and easy to use. More than that, I can open the same web site in half the time as with IE or Firefox. It never crashes, and it is more stable than any other browser. It is the best browser when it comes to streaming videos and other media by far. The video never pauses for example. In IE, the same video pauses a few times for a few seconds. Also, Google Chrome is the easiest browser to use. Yes, I am not kidding. Simply press enter on the browser, and the home page opens. I have mine set to Google of course. Now, just press alt and the screen reader will say chrome button. If you press down arrow, every setting and menu you will ever need is in that one vertical column. The history, delete history, book marks, are all in that one vertical menu just by pressing the alt key on the home page. All navigation JAWS short cut keys work in Google Chrome. I have not found anything yet that is not accessible. Also, every JAWS key command works in Chrome just like in IE. You can just press alt + D for the address bar for example. I will continue to play around with Google Chrome a little more, and I will be ready to do an Audio tutorial for you guys. You will not believe just how much better Google Chrome is over any other browser. You will hear it with your own ears when I send you the tutorial probably by Friday. I know some of you will use Chrome as your default browser. God bless and have a great night. Talk to all of you soon.
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Re: Using thunderbird with jfw 17

Robert Logue
 

My Thunderbird and Jaws tips.

View menu>toolbars:
Uncheck Mail Toolbar and Quick Filter Bar. They can get in the way.

Layout sub menu
Classic View checked
Wide View not checked
Vertical View not checked
Folder Pane checked
Folder Pane Columns not checked
Message Pane F8 not checked

NOTE: Message Pane is a preview. Pressing enter on a message in a list always opens it.

Tools>Options>Display>Advanced Tab
Open messages in:
An existing message window radio button checked
Reading
Close message window/tab on move or delete check box not checked
Note: Close message window/tab is optional. Try different settings if you wish.


HTH

Bob




----- On 10/12/2015 11:29 AM, Mark Furness via Jfw wrote:

Hi,
I just installed Mozilla Thunderbird 38 on my win 10 machine.

Does anybody have any tips for using it? For example, I can’t seem to get to my in box for the account I have configured to read mail..

Thanks!
Mark


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Re: using chrome

Londa Peterson
 

Press alt + N. You can then tab to the options.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 1:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Re: using chrome

Hello Adrian,
You mentioned that you are using IE 11. One of our computers has IE 11, and
when I attempted to download a file, I couldn't figure out how to do it. A
screen popped up which asked if I wanted to open or save the file, but I
couldn't find a place to activate either of these options. There was a link
for more information and a close button. Are there some settings I need to
change?
Thanks Adrian, or anyone else with IE 11 experience.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: using chrome


Dennis,

I downloaded google Chrome and tested
www.amc.com
which you mention. As you say, there's no link or edit field related to
"sign in," and the JAWS cursor verbalizes only a graphic.

No question, Chrome works very fast and brings up a clean interface, but
it isn't fully accessible, as previously claimed. IE11 will remain my
default browser until someone demonstrates how to overcome these drawbacks
or Google fixes them. I do recall that someone on this list explained why
the JAWS cursor doesn't work well with Firefox, and I also recall there's
a complicated fix, so the JAWS cursor problem may be a function of
changing technology with which FS needs to catch up.

I had difficulty finding the right download link for my Windows 7, 64-bit
machine. For anyone interested, here's the right link:
http://www.downloadx64.com/google-chrome-64-bit/

Now that I've installed Chrome, every time I open it, it tells me it isn't
my default, but it moves on too fast for me even to locate a checkbox or
other field in the event I one day do want it to be my default.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of dennis via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:29 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: dennis
Subject: Re: using chrome

i should have said... this is only in chrome...

On 11/5/2015 10:25 AM, Bissett, Tom via Jfw wrote:
It is not that the jaws cursor doesn't work but rather with the changes
in operating systems and the way in which jaws works there is little for
the jaws cursor to see. Does your jaws cursor read whats on the desktop?
If so it is not broken.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of dennis via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:00 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: dennis
Subject: using chrome

another thing i have just noticed and its in jaws 16 and 17, the jaws
curcer does not work. don't know if there is a fix for this or not.

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Downloading File in IE 11

Tim Ford
 

When JAWS gives you the prompt of either saving or opening the download, press alt s to save, or alt o to open. Easy as pie!

Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Clark via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 10:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Re: using chrome

Hello Adrian,
You mentioned that you are using IE 11. One of our computers has IE 11, and
when I attempted to download a file, I couldn't figure out how to do it. A
screen popped up which asked if I wanted to open or save the file, but I
couldn't find a place to activate either of these options. There was a link
for more information and a close button. Are there some settings I need to
change?
Thanks Adrian, or anyone else with IE 11 experience.

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From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: using chrome


Dennis,

I downloaded google Chrome and tested
www.amc.com
which you mention. As you say, there's no link or edit field related to "sign in," and the JAWS cursor verbalizes only a graphic.

No question, Chrome works very fast and brings up a clean interface, but it isn't fully accessible, as previously claimed. IE11 will remain my default browser until someone demonstrates how to overcome these drawbacks or Google fixes them. I do recall that someone on this list explained why the JAWS cursor doesn't work well with Firefox, and I also recall there's a complicated fix, so the JAWS cursor problem may be a function of changing technology with which FS needs to catch up.

I had difficulty finding the right download link for my Windows 7, 64-bit machine. For anyone interested, here's the right link:
http://www.downloadx64.com/google-chrome-64-bit/

Now that I've installed Chrome, every time I open it, it tells me it isn't my default, but it moves on too fast for me even to locate a checkbox or other field in the event I one day do want it to be my default.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of dennis via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:29 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: dennis
Subject: Re: using chrome

i should have said... this is only in chrome...

On 11/5/2015 10:25 AM, Bissett, Tom via Jfw wrote:
It is not that the jaws cursor doesn't work but rather with the changes in operating systems and the way in which jaws works there is little for the jaws cursor to see. Does your jaws cursor read whats on the desktop? If so it is not broken.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of dennis via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:00 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: dennis
Subject: using chrome

another thing i have just noticed and its in jaws 16 and 17, the jaws curcer does not work. don't know if there is a fix for this or not.

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Re: using chrome

Greg Nickel
 

When the screen pops up for save or open you need to press alt + N and then
if for some reason you want to just save it you can then open it from your
downloads by pressing cntl + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 10:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dennis Clark
Subject: Re: using chrome

Hello Adrian,
You mentioned that you are using IE 11. One of our computers has IE 11, and
when I attempted to download a file, I couldn't figure out how to do it. A
screen popped up which asked if I wanted to open or save the file, but I
couldn't find a place to activate either of these options. There was a link
for more information and a close button. Are there some settings I need to
change?
Thanks Adrian, or anyone else with IE 11 experience.

----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: using chrome


Dennis,

I downloaded google Chrome and tested
www.amc.com
which you mention. As you say, there's no link or edit field related to
"sign in," and the JAWS cursor verbalizes only a graphic.

No question, Chrome works very fast and brings up a clean interface, but
it isn't fully accessible, as previously claimed. IE11 will remain my
default browser until someone demonstrates how to overcome these drawbacks
or Google fixes them. I do recall that someone on this list explained why
the JAWS cursor doesn't work well with Firefox, and I also recall there's
a complicated fix, so the JAWS cursor problem may be a function of
changing technology with which FS needs to catch up.

I had difficulty finding the right download link for my Windows 7, 64-bit
machine. For anyone interested, here's the right link:
http://www.downloadx64.com/google-chrome-64-bit/

Now that I've installed Chrome, every time I open it, it tells me it isn't
my default, but it moves on too fast for me even to locate a checkbox or
other field in the event I one day do want it to be my default.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of dennis via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:29 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: dennis
Subject: Re: using chrome

i should have said... this is only in chrome...

On 11/5/2015 10:25 AM, Bissett, Tom via Jfw wrote:
It is not that the jaws cursor doesn't work but rather with the changes
in operating systems and the way in which jaws works there is little for
the jaws cursor to see. Does your jaws cursor read whats on the desktop?
If so it is not broken.
Tom Bisset
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Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:00 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: dennis
Subject: using chrome

another thing i have just noticed and its in jaws 16 and 17, the jaws
curcer does not work. don't know if there is a fix for this or not.

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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

That's just it, Mike? Sixteen has been a really good release. I don't know about their bottom line, but the world would not crash and burn if they didn't release a new version every fall. Guys, let us get the most out of our money.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are we supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change the fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many years, & when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule is to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether it's ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
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To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of transition
from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this
concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I
believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in
JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in
skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech Support
at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



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via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: murge utility

Louise Johnson <herclouise@...>
 

Hi the problem I am going to have I have over a few years set things as
needed. I will say when I started with JAWS 14 as a beginner I used JAWS
settings one way and now using JAWS 16 my settings are different. So now I
have to figure out how to set JAWS to the way I want it. Is where a way to
set any old settings. I have one in the settings for links to make a sound
to help me and that was set in JAWS 14 and has been passed on to allJAWS
since the beginning. If anyone can give steps in easy ways to do that I
would like. I am not happy with what is going on but changes I gather in
JAWS 17 have to off set this problem. I would like some basic help as using
the F2 key for JAWSsettings for JAWS 17 to help me when starting with it.
Sorry if I am not making sence as I am still learning so much and am scared
to make mistakes in JAWS settings as they are where we get our help using
the computer. I will play around on the computer better then JAWS so
thankful for any help with setting up JAWS 17 when I get it Louise and
princess Kiara
.

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Jfw
Sent: November 5, 2015 7:59 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: murge utility

I used to use the merge utility back in the day when it was first
introduced, but for a long while now, I've gotten into the habit of setting
up each new big release of Jaws independantly of each other. The start up
wizzard does help and it takes maybe five minutes if that to go through the
settings center and getting everything going and configured. I just run into
the same yearly issue of not remembering where to copy over dictionary and
other Jaws files from one JFW version to the other. Mainly because I have to
do it just once a year, but eventually I get it done.
I've found it to be a cleaner way of running my Jaws and this way too, I can
avoid any issues that may be present in an older version of JFW and more or
less start fresh.
That said, I can understand how some folks may be put out with the extra
work and lack of convenience with the merge utility no longer available.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 7:27 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bissett, Tom
Subject: RE: murge utility

With all the new changes and settings and how they interact make it more
like trying to replace apples with oranges, oranges just don't work any more
and there is no reason to bring them forward. So for this version you need
to reconfigure. I am sure there will be a merge facility for moving from 17
to 18 because they will be more in sync.
Tom Bisset
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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:24 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Aidan
Subject: murge utility

Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it would
happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a replacement tool
wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to use
the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation, wich
is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to be more
bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will affect
everyone negatively.

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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Carolyn, this is not a single function, but a group of them. Scan down the list, and you'll find some good options. One I use a lot is switching from sound card to my USB headset. Another popular function is tandem, which enables either a FS tech, or a helpful friend to remotely diagnose and repair problems.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 10:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

How was JAWS Utilities used, or what did it do? I don't recall using it.
I hate to sound dumb, but prefer sounding dumb to staying dumb and not finding out.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Mike B <mb69mach1@charter.net>
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process.
This included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes, the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our customers.

Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point, and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all over again with the settings they've created over the course of years?
Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: using chrome

Dennis Clark <dennis@...>
 

Hello Adrian,
You mentioned that you are using IE 11. One of our computers has IE 11, and when I attempted to download a file, I couldn't figure out how to do it. A screen popped up which asked if I wanted to open or save the file, but I couldn't find a place to activate either of these options. There was a link for more information and a close button. Are there some settings I need to change?
Thanks Adrian, or anyone else with IE 11 experience.

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: using chrome


Dennis,

I downloaded google Chrome and tested
www.amc.com
which you mention. As you say, there's no link or edit field related to "sign in," and the JAWS cursor verbalizes only a graphic.

No question, Chrome works very fast and brings up a clean interface, but it isn't fully accessible, as previously claimed. IE11 will remain my default browser until someone demonstrates how to overcome these drawbacks or Google fixes them. I do recall that someone on this list explained why the JAWS cursor doesn't work well with Firefox, and I also recall there's a complicated fix, so the JAWS cursor problem may be a function of changing technology with which FS needs to catch up.

I had difficulty finding the right download link for my Windows 7, 64-bit machine. For anyone interested, here's the right link:
http://www.downloadx64.com/google-chrome-64-bit/

Now that I've installed Chrome, every time I open it, it tells me it isn't my default, but it moves on too fast for me even to locate a checkbox or other field in the event I one day do want it to be my default.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of dennis via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:29 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: dennis
Subject: Re: using chrome

i should have said... this is only in chrome...

On 11/5/2015 10:25 AM, Bissett, Tom via Jfw wrote:
It is not that the jaws cursor doesn't work but rather with the changes in operating systems and the way in which jaws works there is little for the jaws cursor to see. Does your jaws cursor read whats on the desktop? If so it is not broken.
Tom Bisset
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Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:00 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
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Subject: using chrome

another thing i have just noticed and its in jaws 16 and 17, the jaws curcer does not work. don't know if there is a fix for this or not.

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Re: PDF forms

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

What edition of Office do you have? 2013 can import and edit PDF's, just as if you owned a copy of Acrobat.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Corner via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 10:05 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Barbara Corner
Subject: PDF forms

What is the best way to read , then complete and then read completed forms in PDF?

If I tab I can read the information as to what I need to put in the boxes but it skips other text.
If I arrow down I can't always find where to put in the text in the edit fields.
Thanks!
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Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

judith bron
 

Another way to make your opinion known is to change screen readers. No, I'm
not ready for that move right now but when it comes time to have to cough up
the money to upgrade I might have to take a good look at my options. That's
the way our system works. You didn't like a Ford? After the early years of
the car you bought a Chevy. You don't like IBM computers? You buy a Dell
or some other brand. The list goes on and evidently its made a lot of
statements and bottom lines in the past. Nothing is irreplaceable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kramlinger,
Keith G., M.D. via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

What's the traffic volume like on the JAWS-Users group?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:41 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

Believe me, I would like to rollover & stick at least 1 of my 4 legs up 1 of
someone's ass at Freedom Scientific but, it seems like, most of the time
anyways, they don't give a rats ass about what we the consumer think & go on
their merry way! I do agree that if people complained in more volume it
might make more of an impact but, if these complaints fall upon deaf ears,
so to speak, complaining won't change anything either, just as it hasn't
changed crap like this in, forever, with FS. I can tell you 1 way of making
1 of the most important people within Fs, Eric Damry, aware of how you feel,
& that is to join another email list, Jaws-Users. Eric Damry is a member of
this list & is a somewhat frequent poster depending on the topic, to the
list. Here is the necessary link to join if interested.

To join:

jaws-users-list-join@jaws-users.com

Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, leave the
message body empty, & send. You'll receive a confirmation email, reply to
it & you should be good to go.

It's not a real high traffic list.

Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Mike,

Understood. The temptation to roll over and stick my four legs up in the air
is sometimes strong, but over time I've found that persistence and volume
can prevail. By persistence, I mean one person demanding a fix. By volume, I
mean the more of us who complain, the more pressure FS will be under to fix
it and ensure this kind of fiasco doesn't recur.

I do recall many versions ago that the merge utility cause havoc from one
version to the next. The people at FS remember that event. I also know that
persistence doesn't always work. I've had my own frustrations with FS over
time.

But the merge utility was basic to the transition from version to version,
and most of us JAWS users depended on it. It's bad enough that we must pay
for a SMA every two versions, which FS has ensured means every two years,
but now to go through such inconvenience as well?

As for the lister who proposed a petition, let him produce one. Otherwise,
it's simple enough to write to FS and let our voices be heard. Again, the
address is

support@freedomscientific.com

I admit I don't like being a rabble-rouser, but this really is annoying.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Re: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi Adrian,

I agree with you &, I don't find it acceptable either but, what else are we
supposed to do? We can bitch until the cows come home & it won't change the
fact, that Freedom Scientific already knows, they are not keeping up with
their own products. I've complained about various screw-ups for many years,
& when you send them a complaint you only get back an automated kiss ass
email stating how they're working to resolve the problem. It seems to me
that they have a need to stay on some kind of schedule, & that schedule is
to put out a new version of Jaws around November of each year whether it's
ready for consumer consumption or not!
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained


Sorry, Mike, but I don't find this statement acceptable. Ease of transition
from version to version is important. FS should have anticipated this
concern and figured out a solution before it became our problem. As I
believe it was Aidan who pointed out, it isn't as if the new features in
JAWS 17 are exactly compelling. There are potential problems involved in
skipping a version, so I still plan to install JAWS 17 one of these days.
Once again, I encourage anyone who feels as I do to contact FS Tech Support
at

support@freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mike B
Subject: Merge Utility, Why It's Missing, Explained

Hi All,

There's no need to craft a petition or anything else. Below tells about the
Merge Utility & why it's missing in Jaws 17, for now anyways. This comes
from What's new in Jaws 17.

Merge Utility No Longer Available

Major changes have been made to improve the JAWS localization process. This
included reorganizing many of the JAWS settings files. Due to these changes,
the Merge utility is no longer installed with JAWS 17 as settings from prior
versions cannot be merged. We are planning a solution for the future which
will replace this utility and provide an even greater benefit for our
customers.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers, next year anyways!

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: merge utility


I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on
the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might
be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching
semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point,
and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease
of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
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via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be
fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all
over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: merge utility

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

This has happened before. It seems to occur when the old and new programs are just not compatible. If faced with such a situation, I'd make sure to import any specialized dictionaries and let the rest go. I went from 15 to 16 without a full merge, because 15 had some minor damage, and I didn't want to cripple a brand new release; it was easy and problem free to make the few tweaks I regularly use.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 8:33 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: RE: merge utility

I don't know how appropriate or beneficial this could be, but if someone on the list would be willing to craft a petition regarding this issue, we might be able to get enough signitures to make an impact.

Sometimes, I just scratch my head at these kinds of decisions.

I certainly will sign any such petition, if it is created.

I'm looking to upgrade to Jaws 17, possibly during the college teaching semester break, but that won't be for about 8 weeks for me at this point, and I sure would like to have the use of the merge utilities feature again.
I know there have been issues with it at times, but the convenience and ease of using it far outweighs any problems, in my opinion.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to be fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to start all over again with the settings they've created over the course of years? Note that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: using chrome

dennis
 

thanks for doing that. i'm glad you saw the same thing. i guess i'm going to stick with firefox until they improve the access more.

On 11/5/2015 11:01 AM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:
Dennis,

I downloaded google Chrome and tested
www.amc.com
which you mention. As you say, there's no link or edit field related to "sign in," and the JAWS cursor verbalizes only a graphic.

No question, Chrome works very fast and brings up a clean interface, but it isn't fully accessible, as previously claimed. IE11 will remain my default browser until someone demonstrates how to overcome these drawbacks or Google fixes them. I do recall that someone on this list explained why the JAWS cursor doesn't work well with Firefox, and I also recall there's a complicated fix, so the JAWS cursor problem may be a function of changing technology with which FS needs to catch up.

I had difficulty finding the right download link for my Windows 7, 64-bit machine. For anyone interested, here's the right link:
http://www.downloadx64.com/google-chrome-64-bit/

Now that I've installed Chrome, every time I open it, it tells me it isn't my default, but it moves on too fast for me even to locate a checkbox or other field in the event I one day do want it to be my default.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of dennis via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:29 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: dennis
Subject: Re: using chrome

i should have said... this is only in chrome...

On 11/5/2015 10:25 AM, Bissett, Tom via Jfw wrote:
It is not that the jaws cursor doesn't work but rather with the changes in operating systems and the way in which jaws works there is little for the jaws cursor to see. Does your jaws cursor read whats on the desktop? If so it is not broken.
Tom Bisset
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Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:00 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
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Subject: using chrome

another thing i have just noticed and its in jaws 16 and 17, the jaws curcer does not work. don't know if there is a fix for this or not.

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Re: Just switched to WORD 2013, any more hot keys suggestions?

Steve Griffiths
 

Hi Peter,

You can change Word so that it opens on an empty document as it used to, it's just a separate setting from the Ctrl + O one.

It's also in the Options dialogue, on the General page which has focus when you open it. The quickest way to get to the setting, called "Show the start screen when this application opens", is to Shift + Tab three times. Uncheck it and you're sorted.

Steve
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tesar via Jfw
Sent: 05 November 2015 01:53
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Peter Tesar <ptesar@ca.inter.net>
Subject: Re: Just switched to WORD 2013, any more hot keys suggestions?

Hello,

The response Steve gave is exactly what I wanted. To bring up an edit box into which I can type a text file name. This is a file that was not recently opened by WORD.

Steve has 1 mistake. the"alt, f" should be alt together with f.

To get to the WORD Options:
alt+f
t
arrow down to the "save" tab
tab 7 times to back stage
activate the check box
ESCAPE (to quit) or ENTER (to save settings and quit).

I still get:
back stage view no open document
when starting WORD.
I have to press ESCAPE to get:
document 1, print view, edit

Then the ctrl+o brings up the familiar File Name edit box.

Peter T

On 2015-11-03 4:52 AM, Steve Griffiths via Jfw wrote:
Carolyn and others,

By default the Ctrl-O keystroke in Word 2013 takes you to the backstage view, but you can turn that off so that it opens the familiar Open dialogue instead.

You need to open the Word Options dialogue with Alt, F, T. DownArrow to Save, then Tab to "Don’t show the Backstage when opening or saving files". Press Space to check it and Enter to close the dialogue.

You should now be able to use Ctrl-O as you used to in earlier versions of Word. If you want to use the Backstage view, you can still get to it with Alt, F, O.

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold via Jfw
Sent: 02 November 2015 22:29
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Subject: RE: Just switched to WORD 2013, any more hot keys suggestions?

Back with Office 2003, I could be in what they then called Microsoft Word, and hit Control O, then shift tab to the left, and I kept what was then My Documents as the directory of choice. I could arrow up and down through the thing, hit enter on anything I wanted. Every now and then, my husband would get another directory on there, and I can't remember what I did to finagle My Documents to be the one right to the left. Yes. With Word and Documents, I can get the last documents I have opened, just see no way to full access other than just go to Documents. Also, when sending attachments, I could do that too, which was way cool.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Mcginnis, Barbara via Jfw
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 2:37 PM
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Subject: RE: Just switched to WORD 2013, any more hot keys suggestions?

Office 2013 has a backstage view. Ours keeps the last 25 documents that have been opened in the backstage view. Assuming your documents are saved in documents, I usually press Control plus O, then shift plus tab one time and use my up arrow to find my document and press Enter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw [mailto:jfw@lists.the-jdh.com]
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 1:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
Subject: RE: Just switched to WORD 2013, any more hot keys suggestions?

Do you mean a document list, containing all your Word documents? There was an old DOS command, a variation of the DIR" command but I haven't used it in years. I think it was dir > filename.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 4:13 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: RE: Just switched to WORD 2013, any more hot keys suggestions?

Peter, here are some I have in a document file. I still hope we can find out how to get a document directory from a word document.


In Microsoft Word, for count, like Word Count, line count, etc, hit Alt T, W, then arrow up for information.

For font, hit Alt H, f, N

For Mailing, Alt M, E for envelopes and Alt M L for labeling.

For margins, hit Alt P, M, A.

For tabs, Alt O, T.

For word definitions: Shift F7, then F6. It will tell you to put in your word. Then tab to Thesarus English US. Enter, tab until you start getting the definitions. This one is a little tricky and requires maneuvering, but is worth it to find out what stuff means.

Here's what Trudy sent on key strokes:

I don't know your level of computer knowledge and am not trying to insult anyone, but thought that these shortcuts, if you didn't know them already, would be useful information for those of you who didn't know them already.
If you do know them, but have friends who don't, please pass them on.
Or, if you didn't know them yourself and have friends who don't know them, pass them on to those friends too.

Trudy
15 Keyboard Shortcuts You Probably Don't Know
Navigate your computer more easily with the push of a few buttons By
Amanda Greene Posted December 15, 2010 from WomansDay.com
Photo: © Thinkstock
Most expert computer users know the basic keyboard shortcuts, like pressing Control (Ctrl) + P on a PC to print a document. But did you know there are plenty of other useful—not to mention pretty darn cool—key combinations out there? From instantly zooming in to a larger view to quickly closing your browser window, these shortcuts will put the World Wide Web and more at your fingertips—because every second counts.
1. Add a Bookmark
Tab your new favorite website for easy access by bookmarking the page with the following quick trick.
PC: Ctrl + D
Mac: Apple key (see right) + D
2. Delete Forever When you know
you want to nix a file forever—instead of sending it to clog up the recycling bin first––tap the keys below.
PC: Shift + Delete
3. Close Browser Whether your boss walks up while you're reading gossip blogs or your husband comes in the room while you're buying him a gift, close your browser, stat, with this shortcut.
PC: Alt + F4
Mac: Ctrl + Q
4. Show Desktop
If you have lots of windows open on your computer and you want quick
access to your desktop—or a super-quick way to hide your work—hit the
following keys.> PC: Window key (see right) + D
Mac: F11

5. Find Files or Folders
Forget painstakingly searching all of your folders to find one file. The shortcut below will do the searching for you.
PC: Window key + F
Mac: Apple key (see right) + F
6. Change Zoom Level
Whether you're working on the Web or in a word processing program, zoom in or out with this command.
PC: Ctrl + scroll mouse wheel
Mac: Apple key + plus sign; Apple key + minus sign
7. Reopen Previous Tab in Browser
Have you ever accidentally closed the browser tab you were looking at and had to spend time backtracking to find it again? The shortcut below will restore that page to you almost instantly.
PC: Ctrl + Shift + T
Mac: Apple key + Z
8. Switch Between Open Programs
Navigating between open screens can get confusing. Make it easy to move among all your programs with this quick trick.
PC: Alt + Tab
Mac: Apple key + Tab
9. Take a Screen Shot Capture an image of what you're working on instantly with a screen grab—it's particularly useful for Web pages you can't copy and paste.
PC: Print Screen (then paste [Ctrl + V] into a Word document)
Mac: Apple key + Shift + 3
10. Refresh a Webpage
Whether you're waiting for a new email to arrive or the latest news story to pop up, easily refresh your screen using the keys below.
PC: F5, or Ctrl + R
Mac: Apple key + R
11. Go to a Previous Location in Browser
Time travel with the neat shortcut below, which lets you quickly go back to the webpage you were looking at before your current one.
PC: Alt + ←
Mac: Apple key + [
12. Spelling/Grammar Check
No more excuses: Perfect spelling and grammar is just one keystroke away.
PC or Mac: F7
13. Add "http://www" to Your Browser's Address Bar
The quickest route to your online destination? Just type in the name of the webpage you'd like to go to (for example, type "Google"), then press the following keys to add the "http://www." to the beginning and ".com" to the end.
PC: Ctrl + Enter
Mac: Apple key + Enter
14. Select the Address Bar
When you want to quickly type a new URL into your browser, the shortcut below will easily select the address bar for you, so you can start typing without moving your mouse.
PC: Ctrl + L, or F6
Mac: Apple key + L
15. Launch the Windows Start Menu
Just tap the keys below for an easy way to view your Start Menu options.
PC: Window key, or Ctrl + Esc
JAWS STROKES

Mouse Over – Control enter, enter
Signature in Windows Mail – Control, Insert, Enter,



Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Tesar via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 12:07 PM
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Cc: Peter Tesar <ptesar@ca.inter.net>
Subject: Re: Just switched to WORD 2013, any more hot keys suggestions?

Thanks Ann,

I'm making headwaywith WORD 2013.

Your suggestion to get to save-as by using the old:
alt+F then a
only gets me to the save-as tab. Inow know that I have to select a button for the folder and that brings up the edit box.

The F12 gets me directly into the edit box where I can type thepath/fileName.

I still don't know how to open a file from inside WORD. The ctrl+o gets me the open tab. Only recent documents are shown.

I need an edit box to type the path/file so I can open a text file from within WORD.
Existing WORD files can be opened by selecting them from the directory tree.

The large WORD hot keys file is a problem, maybe the "protected view".

I used F12 to save it as a RTF and text file. It will take time to go through it.

Thanks again.

Peter T

On 2015-11-01 9:35 AM, Ann Byrne via Jfw wrote:
If you remember the commands from Word 2003, you can use most of them.
But you can't open a menu and select one. So to get to the format
paragraph dialog, you have to type alt-o, then p. To get to 'change
case', it's alt-o, then e. Save-as is alt-f, then a, or f12.

Good luck! the transition is a stinker, but eventually it's manageable.
At 07:05 AM 11/1/2015, you wrote:
You can change the font by pressing Alt-O-F or Shift Control-F or,
best of all, Control D, which always has been delete - go figure. I
learned the second and third commands from listers. I too jumped
from
2003 to 2013. Actually, I had a brief stint with 2010, which is
about the same as 2013.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Tesar via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 9:55 PM
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Cc: Peter Tesar <ptesar@ca.inter.net>
Subject: Just switched to WORD 2013, any more hot keys suggestions?

Hello,

I just switched from WORD 2003 to 2013. The menu bar has been
changed to a ribbon menu for some years now. These ribbons are
proving to be an initial hurdle. I'm tabbing and arrowing in a
fruitless search for what I want.

When the ribbons first came out, Ihad heard that you could use some
of the old Menu Bar hot keys, but that isn't exactly true.

Alt+F doesn't bring up the old File menu.

Some of you provided the hot keys for changing the font.

How do I do a "save as"? That was in the File menu.
If I do a "alt+f a" I get a save as tab. There is no edit field.

How do I open a file? The ctrl+o gives me the open tab and recently
opened documents.
There is no edit field to type in the drive, path file-name that I
used to do.

I got started by using the tree to select an existing WORD document
It was opened by WORD. I could then open it as a recent document.


I just found the JAWS training, as DAISY books. These can be
downloaded so I downloaded the VirtualRibbonMenus.exe. It is an executable file.
How do I get it into a DAISY book format to transfer to my DAISY player?

Thanks for any help.
Peter T.

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Re: merge utility

Tom Behler
 

Adrian:

Thanks for this very thoughtful response.

I'll write to FS about this issue as soon as I get the chance here.

And, I hope others do as well.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 7:32 AM
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Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: merge utility

We shouldn't begrudge FS for aiming to make money. The profit motive is
often a driving force for improvement, and technological accessibility
wouldn't have come this far if developers hadn't been able to make enough to
pay staff, fund research, etc. We can just focus on mistakes FS makes, as we
would any other company, whether for- or not-for-profit. Any company in the
mainstream marketplace would know that this sort of cavalier attitude would
meet with public outcry. I hope anyone who feels as we do will ask FS to fix
this defect in an upcoming update to JAWS 17. Again, the email address is
support@freedomscientific.com

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 6:21 AM
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Cc: Aidan
Subject: Re: merge utility

Tom, a patition is a good thing but in this case I don't think it will help.
Fs is to in love with money and that is where the change must come. I
promis, if supernova get up to standard as they mostly are then I will
switch. I had enough. There were patitions for other buggs they never fixed,
and I did not here from those people ever that it was fixed since then. I
think ms and fs have some sort of an agreement, that is why fs going strong
and the reason why ms will never improve narrator. They just give us bits
and peaces to to try to fool us and condition many blind people that ms is
really caring about accessibility. Now as far as jaws features goes, fs is
doing the same thing. If you look at the feature set they did in the last 2
or free years, its becoming very clear, that only a few things are useful.
Flexable web look nice when you play with it, but really for the money you
pay it don't provide what most people would need. It just help you to filter
what you don't like on a sertin site, and if you visit that site from
another pc or with another screen reader, then you have to learn the
original layout anyway.

On 05/11/2015, Soronel Haetir via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Note that at least in the case of dictionary and script files you
don't actually have to start over, you just have to copy the files
yourself. I don't know if there are enough differences to actually
make that not work for .jcf files or not, I didn't try with those.

On 11/4/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
I'm going to write to FS Tech Support and ask for this deficiency to
be fixed. I hope others will do the same so they realize how
important this is.
Can you imagine a popular commercial application forcing users to
start all over again with the settings they've created over the
course of years?
Note
that "merge" was misspelled in the subject line, which I've corrected.

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Campbell via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: murge utility

I agree completely. Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:
Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer
being important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new
that it would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement
a replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps
to use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart
navigation, wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this
was going to be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not
ready it will affect everyone negatively.

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excel email list

Pablo Morales
 

Hi all,

I am looking for an email list of excel and access users, if it is for jaws
or nvda users would be great, but if it is not, is ok. Any body know any
excel or access email list?

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Re: using chrome

Adrian Spratt
 

Dennis,

I downloaded google Chrome and tested
www.amc.com
which you mention. As you say, there's no link or edit field related to "sign in," and the JAWS cursor verbalizes only a graphic.

No question, Chrome works very fast and brings up a clean interface, but it isn't fully accessible, as previously claimed. IE11 will remain my default browser until someone demonstrates how to overcome these drawbacks or Google fixes them. I do recall that someone on this list explained why the JAWS cursor doesn't work well with Firefox, and I also recall there's a complicated fix, so the JAWS cursor problem may be a function of changing technology with which FS needs to catch up.

I had difficulty finding the right download link for my Windows 7, 64-bit machine. For anyone interested, here's the right link:
http://www.downloadx64.com/google-chrome-64-bit/

Now that I've installed Chrome, every time I open it, it tells me it isn't my default, but it moves on too fast for me even to locate a checkbox or other field in the event I one day do want it to be my default.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of dennis via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:29 AM
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Subject: Re: using chrome

i should have said... this is only in chrome...

On 11/5/2015 10:25 AM, Bissett, Tom via Jfw wrote:
It is not that the jaws cursor doesn't work but rather with the changes in operating systems and the way in which jaws works there is little for the jaws cursor to see. Does your jaws cursor read whats on the desktop? If so it is not broken.
Tom Bisset
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Subject: using chrome

another thing i have just noticed and its in jaws 16 and 17, the jaws curcer does not work. don't know if there is a fix for this or not.

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