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Re: Using convenient OCR in situations other than converting a PDF document, etc. ...

HAMILTON
 

Good gracious! I litterally had no idea! I'm "almost" speechless!

Would the "c" (as in ins+space+o+c) work with the issue, of JAWS not reading
the "buttons", that "another" Jim had with the "G force experience
program"?

Would it also allow us to "label" those graphics that never seem to get
labeled with the "ins+ctrl+g"?

Like I said, "almost" speechless!

Thank you. After I hear your reply to these questions, I will be "off to
explore"!

Jim H

P.S.: OH MY! The mind boggles!

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Cc: david <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
Subject: RE: Using convenient OCR in situations other than converting a PDF
document, etc. ...

here's the information from the jaws help.

Convenient OCR
Frequently, you will encounter images that contain textual information.
These can include a PDF file, the setup screen of an application, or the
menu of selections for a DVD movie. While these images contain text that is
readable by a sighted person, JAWS is unable to read the text as it is part
of the image.

The Convenient OCR (Optical Character Recognition) feature enables you to
access any image on the screen that includes text, or recognize all of the
text in a PDF document. With just a few simple keystrokes, JAWS will
recognize the image in a matter of seconds and activate the JAWS cursor so
you can navigate the resulting text. The recognized text will be in the same
location as the actual image on the screen. In order to differentiate the
recognized text from other text that may be in the window, JAWS will use a
different voice when it encounters the recognized text. When you activate
the PC cursor, or switch to another application or dialog box, the text is
removed and you will need to perform the OCR again.

If you open a PDF document and there is no text available to read, you can
perform a keystroke that will recognize the entire document and place the
resulting text into the Results Viewer for reading. You can then use
standard reading commands to review the text or select and copy sections of
content for pasting in other applications.

To use Convenient OCR, the following layered keystrokes are available:

INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, D. Recognizes the currently open PDF document.
INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, W. Recognizes the current application window that has
focus.
INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, S. Recognizes the entire screen.
INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, C. Recognizes the currently selected control, such as a
graphical button.
INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, Q. Cancels recognition while it is in progress.
INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, QUESTION MARK. Speaks a brief help message describing
the commands in the OCR layer.
The following examples illustrate just some of the uses of this feature.

You insert a DVD movie into your computer which brings up a menu allowing
you to select from various DVD features. You press INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, W and
after a few seconds, JAWS will alert you that OCR is complete. At this
point, the JAWS cursor will be active and you can navigate around the screen
using the ARROW keys and read the text of the menu. When you hear the option
you want, press NUMPAD SLASH to perform a left-mouse-click, or INSERT+NUMPAD
PLUS to route PC to JAWS to activate the option. Prior to JAWS 13, this menu
would have been completely inaccessible.
Note: Depending on the type of screen the DVD displays and the quality of
the text, the Convenient OCR may not always work. Some DVD screens will be
recognized better than others.

You open a PDF in Adobe Reader which turns out to be inaccessible. Press
INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, D to have JAWS begin recognizing the entire document.
After several seconds, the contents of the PDF file are displayed in the
Results Viewer for reading. Use standard reading commands to review the text
or select and copy sections of content for pasting in other applications.
For example, you could select all, then copy and paste into a Microsoft Word
document, which you could then save.
Note: The OCR process takes longer for larger PDF files. As text is
recognized, it is added to the end of the existing text already in the
Results Viewer. This allows you to continue reading without interruption as
the document is processed. If you are currently not reading using Say All,
JAWS announces the current line as new text is added to the Results Viewer
to indicate that OCR is still in progress.

Note: If the PDF document requires a password, you will be prompted to enter
it when you first press INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, D. You must enter the correct
password before the OCR process will continue.

You try to install or use an application whose interface is not accessible,
such as AcronisR True ImageT Home 2011 or 2012. If no text is readily
available when pressing TAB or when using the JAWS Cursor, you can try
Convenient OCR. Start with the PC Cursor and press INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, W to
recognize the text of the welcome screen graphic. You can then use the JAWS
Cursor and NUMPAD SLASH (left mouse button) to move to and choose what are
possible buttons and links.
If you are not getting clear recognition results or you find that text is
running together when you recognize the current screen, window, or control,
refer to FAQ 63556 for ways to optimize performance. When recognizing a PDF
document, Convenient OCR does not use the physical image that is currently
visible on the screen, so the recognition results feature a higher degree of
accuracy since they are not affected by the current screen resolution.

Note that to correctly recognize text in other languages, you can configure
the primary and secondary OCR language. The Convenient OCR settings are in
the main tree view in Settings Center. When you expand this item, you have
Primary Recognition Language and Secondary Recognition Language settings.
Use the SPACEBAR to cycle through the available languages until you hear the
one you want, or press F6 to move to the combo box and select a language.

When you install JAWS from the program disc, the OCR components are
automatically installed. If you download JAWS from the Web site and have an
active Internet connection when you begin the installation, the OCR
components will be downloaded during the install. If you do not have an
active Internet connection when you install JAWS from the Web download, a
message is displayed at the end of the installation stating that some
components were not installed. To use the OCR feature, establish an Internet
connection and run the installation again so the OCR components are
downloaded.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 2:14 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: Using convenient OCR in situations other than converting a PDF
document, etc. ...

Dave:

I had never been told that we could use "convenient OCR" for situations
other than converting documents into readable text. In your below message,
on the subject of "G force experience update Nvidia", you suggest using this
to see if it would allow access to "buttons" that can not be read with JAWS
or PC cursors. Could you please provide more information on how this could
be done? And, are there other situations where Convenient OCR could be
used?

Jim H (not the other/previously messaged "Jim")

To almost Quote a friend: "you may never know how far you can go until you
exceed your reach!"

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 9:47 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: G force experience update Nvidia

Jim,

I wonder if you can run the convenient OCR while in that dialog to learn
more about those buttons?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Jim L" <jimscave@tpg.com.au>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:33 AM
Subject: G force experience update Nvidia


Heya folks,

Am running Jaws 16 and for awhile now have had issues updating my nvidia
video drivers using G force experience
When I am in the G force experience program I can get to the update area and
what to check and uncheck etc but under all that there's 4 to 5 unlabeled
buttons jaws just reads as button, button etc
Does anyone know the order of what these buttons do?
Any help will be appreciated

Cheers,

Jim



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Re: Using convenient OCR in situations other than converting a PDF document, etc. ...

david <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

here's the information from the jaws help.

Convenient OCR
Frequently, you will encounter images that contain textual information.
These can include a PDF file, the setup screen of an application, or the
menu of selections for a DVD movie. While these images contain text that is
readable by a sighted person, JAWS is unable to read the text as it is part
of the image.

The Convenient OCR (Optical Character Recognition) feature enables you to
access any image on the screen that includes text, or recognize all of the
text in a PDF document. With just a few simple keystrokes, JAWS will
recognize the image in a matter of seconds and activate the JAWS cursor so
you can navigate the resulting text. The recognized text will be in the same
location as the actual image on the screen. In order to differentiate the
recognized text from other text that may be in the window, JAWS will use a
different voice when it encounters the recognized text. When you activate
the PC cursor, or switch to another application or dialog box, the text is
removed and you will need to perform the OCR again.

If you open a PDF document and there is no text available to read, you can
perform a keystroke that will recognize the entire document and place the
resulting text into the Results Viewer for reading. You can then use
standard reading commands to review the text or select and copy sections of
content for pasting in other applications.

To use Convenient OCR, the following layered keystrokes are available:

INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, D. Recognizes the currently open PDF document.
INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, W. Recognizes the current application window that has
focus.
INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, S. Recognizes the entire screen.
INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, C. Recognizes the currently selected control, such as a
graphical button.
INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, Q. Cancels recognition while it is in progress.
INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, QUESTION MARK. Speaks a brief help message describing
the commands in the OCR layer.
The following examples illustrate just some of the uses of this feature.

You insert a DVD movie into your computer which brings up a menu allowing
you to select from various DVD features. You press INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, W and
after a few seconds, JAWS will alert you that OCR is complete. At this
point, the JAWS cursor will be active and you can navigate around the screen
using the ARROW keys and read the text of the menu. When you hear the option
you want, press NUMPAD SLASH to perform a left-mouse-click, or INSERT+NUMPAD
PLUS to route PC to JAWS to activate the option. Prior to JAWS 13, this menu
would have been completely inaccessible.
Note: Depending on the type of screen the DVD displays and the quality of
the text, the Convenient OCR may not always work. Some DVD screens will be
recognized better than others.

You open a PDF in Adobe Reader which turns out to be inaccessible. Press
INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, D to have JAWS begin recognizing the entire document.
After several seconds, the contents of the PDF file are displayed in the
Results Viewer for reading. Use standard reading commands to review the text
or select and copy sections of content for pasting in other applications.
For example, you could select all, then copy and paste into a Microsoft Word
document, which you could then save.
Note: The OCR process takes longer for larger PDF files. As text is
recognized, it is added to the end of the existing text already in the
Results Viewer. This allows you to continue reading without interruption as
the document is processed. If you are currently not reading using Say All,
JAWS announces the current line as new text is added to the Results Viewer
to indicate that OCR is still in progress.

Note: If the PDF document requires a password, you will be prompted to enter
it when you first press INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, D. You must enter the correct
password before the OCR process will continue.

You try to install or use an application whose interface is not accessible,
such as AcronisR True ImageT Home 2011 or 2012. If no text is readily
available when pressing TAB or when using the JAWS Cursor, you can try
Convenient OCR. Start with the PC Cursor and press INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, W to
recognize the text of the welcome screen graphic. You can then use the JAWS
Cursor and NUMPAD SLASH (left mouse button) to move to and choose what are
possible buttons and links.
If you are not getting clear recognition results or you find that text is
running together when you recognize the current screen, window, or control,
refer to FAQ 63556 for ways to optimize performance. When recognizing a PDF
document, Convenient OCR does not use the physical image that is currently
visible on the screen, so the recognition results feature a higher degree of
accuracy since they are not affected by the current screen resolution.

Note that to correctly recognize text in other languages, you can configure
the primary and secondary OCR language. The Convenient OCR settings are in
the main tree view in Settings Center. When you expand this item, you have
Primary Recognition Language and Secondary Recognition Language settings.
Use the SPACEBAR to cycle through the available languages until you hear the
one you want, or press F6 to move to the combo box and select a language.

When you install JAWS from the program disc, the OCR components are
automatically installed. If you download JAWS from the Web site and have an
active Internet connection when you begin the installation, the OCR
components will be downloaded during the install. If you do not have an
active Internet connection when you install JAWS from the Web download, a
message is displayed at the end of the installation stating that some
components were not installed. To use the OCR feature, establish an Internet
connection and run the installation again so the OCR components are
downloaded.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hamilton
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 2:14 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: Using convenient OCR in situations other than converting a PDF
document, etc. ...

Dave:

I had never been told that we could use "convenient OCR" for situations
other than converting documents into readable text. In your below message,
on the subject of "G force experience update Nvidia", you suggest using this
to see if it would allow access to "buttons" that can not be read with JAWS
or PC cursors. Could you please provide more information on how this could
be done? And, are there other situations where Convenient OCR could be
used?

Jim H (not the other/previously messaged "Jim")

To almost Quote a friend: "you may never know how far you can go until you
exceed your reach!"

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 9:47 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: G force experience update Nvidia

Jim,

I wonder if you can run the convenient OCR while in that dialog to learn
more about those buttons?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim L via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Jim L" <jimscave@tpg.com.au>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:33 AM
Subject: G force experience update Nvidia


Heya folks,

Am running Jaws 16 and for awhile now have had issues updating my nvidia
video drivers using G force experience
When I am in the G force experience program I can get to the update area and
what to check and uncheck etc but under all that there's 4 to 5 unlabeled
buttons jaws just reads as button, button etc
Does anyone know the order of what these buttons do?
Any help will be appreciated

Cheers,

Jim



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Re: Using convenient OCR in situations other than converting a PDF document, etc. ...

Tony Schnurr
 

You can use convenient OCR pawn any screen where you believe there may be an image of text. To OCR the current real window use jaws key plus space quickly followed by oh then followed by W. You can also OCR the current screen by using jaws key plus space immediately followed by oh followed by S.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Tony

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2015, at 14:14, Jim Hamilton via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Dave:

I had never been told that we could use "convenient OCR" for situations
other than converting documents into readable text. In your below message,
on the subject of "G force experience update Nvidia", you suggest using this
to see if it would allow access to "buttons" that can not be read with JAWS
or PC cursors. Could you please provide more information on how this could
be done? And, are there other situations where Convenient OCR could be
used?

Jim H (not the other/previously messaged "Jim")

To almost Quote a friend: "you may never know how far you can go until you
exceed your reach!"

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 9:47 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: G force experience update Nvidia

Jim,

I wonder if you can run the convenient OCR while in that dialog to learn
more about those buttons?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim L via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Jim L" <jimscave@tpg.com.au>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:33 AM
Subject: G force experience update Nvidia


Heya folks,

Am running Jaws 16 and for awhile now have had issues updating my nvidia
video drivers using G force experience
When I am in the G force experience program I can get to the update area and
what to check and uncheck etc but under all that there's 4 to 5 unlabeled
buttons jaws just reads as button, button etc
Does anyone know the order of what these buttons do?
Any help will be appreciated

Cheers,

Jim



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Using convenient OCR in situations other than converting a PDF document, etc. ...

HAMILTON
 

Dave:

I had never been told that we could use "convenient OCR" for situations
other than converting documents into readable text. In your below message,
on the subject of "G force experience update Nvidia", you suggest using this
to see if it would allow access to "buttons" that can not be read with JAWS
or PC cursors. Could you please provide more information on how this could
be done? And, are there other situations where Convenient OCR could be
used?

Jim H (not the other/previously messaged "Jim")

To almost Quote a friend: "you may never know how far you can go until you
exceed your reach!"

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 9:47 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: G force experience update Nvidia

Jim,

I wonder if you can run the convenient OCR while in that dialog to learn
more about those buttons?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim L via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Jim L" <jimscave@tpg.com.au>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:33 AM
Subject: G force experience update Nvidia


Heya folks,

Am running Jaws 16 and for awhile now have had issues updating my nvidia
video drivers using G force experience
When I am in the G force experience program I can get to the update area and
what to check and uncheck etc but under all that there's 4 to 5 unlabeled
buttons jaws just reads as button, button etc
Does anyone know the order of what these buttons do?
Any help will be appreciated

Cheers,

Jim



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Re: reset authorizations

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Thanks. Hadn't heard lately, was wondering.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim L via Jfw
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 3:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Jim L <jimscave@tpg.com.au>
Subject: reset authorizations

Heya folks,

Whats the link to reactivate my Jaws authorizations? As I just updated my
video drivers and Jaws damn went to demo version

Cheers,

Jim



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Re: G force experience update Nvidia

Dave...
 

Jim,

I wonder if you can run the convenient OCR while in that dialog to learn
more about those buttons?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim L via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Jim L" <jimscave@tpg.com.au>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:33 AM
Subject: G force experience update Nvidia


Heya folks,

Am running Jaws 16 and for awhile now have had issues updating my nvidia
video drivers using G force experience
When I am in the G force experience program I can get to the update area and
what to check and uncheck etc but under all that there's 4 to 5 unlabeled
buttons jaws just reads as button, button etc
Does anyone know the order of what these buttons do?
Any help will be appreciated

Cheers,

Jim



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blindtunes

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Hello all. The purches blind tunes page does not appear to be online,
does anyone else have problems? Know use downloading it if you cannot
buy it.

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Skype: andries4451
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Re: reset authorizations

Debbie April Yuille
 

Hi Jim

Visit www.fsactivate.com

Debbie

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Sent: Monday, 14 September 2015 5:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Jim L <jimscave@tpg.com.au>
Subject: reset authorizations

Heya folks,

Whats the link to reactivate my Jaws authorizations? As I just updated my
video drivers and Jaws damn went to demo version

Cheers,

Jim



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G force experience update Nvidia

Jim L
 

Heya folks,

Am running Jaws 16 and for awhile now have had issues updating my nvidia
video drivers using G force experience
When I am in the G force experience program I can get to the update area and
what to check and uncheck etc but under all that there's 4 to 5 unlabeled
buttons jaws just reads as button, button etc
Does anyone know the order of what these buttons do?
Any help will be appreciated

Cheers,

Jim


reset authorizations

Jim L
 

Heya folks,

Whats the link to reactivate my Jaws authorizations? As I just updated my
video drivers and Jaws damn went to demo version

Cheers,

Jim


Re: Uninstalling older versions of JAWS... Using "Narrator"

HAMILTON
 

Peter:

Sorry! I thought that I was replying to the JFW list. I have been assuming
that ctrol+r would reply to the "list"; but, this must be a mistake. From
now on, I will use ctrol+shift+r to ensure that my response goes to the
whole list. Thanks.

In fact, I too have learned much from the questions and answers I have seen,
and others have made the same comment. As long as one picks the topics
wisely, one could learn much from these "discussions". However, I must say
that this list serve is burning up my iPhone's data plan - only 300 MBs.
monthly. Right now, I have my iPhone settings to retrieve e-mail manually
so that I can download my e-mails in a WIFI environment.

Jim H

P.S.: If you used to live in Toronto, I am pretty sure that we met several
times during the '80s and '90s. I seem to recall running into you, at least
once, at the Royal York Subway station, back in the day, and on other
ocasions as well. A couple of other listers' names seem quite familiar
also. Small world! Cheers.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tesar
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 6:04 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Peter Tesar <ptesar@ca.inter.net>
Subject: Fwd: RE: Uninstalling older versions of JAWS... Using "Narrator"

hello,

Can you please send your messages to the JAWS list? There will be others
interested in your question and the answer.

Narrator is not a substitute for a good screen reader. You use Narrator
when there nothing else.

I don't know about documentation. All I would use Narrator for is to tab
through the objects. That will give you some idea about the screen.

As far as the default settings, presented at the end of the Windows 10
installation, I would tab to the OK or continue button.

If you know what you are doing, you can hit the space bar to check or
uncheck the settings.

Narrator calls these toggles and turns them on or off.

JAWS calls them buttons. This is something new to me. They behave like
checkboxes but they are not announced as check boxs.

After installing Windows 10, you can go to the settings list with the
Windows Key plus i.

From the list, arrow down and select "privacy".
Or tab once to thesearch edit box and type "privacy", do not type ENTER.
Then tab to the results list and arrow down and select what setting you
want.

If you won't be installing Windows 10, then try Narrator a bit. With
Windows 10, you can toggle the Narrator withthe Windows key plus ENTER.

Peter T.



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Uninstalling older versions of JAWS... Using "Narrator"
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 22:13:50 -0400
From: Jim Hamilton <jim.hamilton@rogers.com>
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
CC: 'Peter Tesar' <ptesar@ca.inter.net>



Thanks for the heads-up; but, I have never used "Narrator", even though I
think that Windows 8.1 has this feature.

Is there a "users' guide" for using this feature? If so, how does one find
it? Will this feature allow one to resolve some problems caused by not
being able to totally access the screen with the PC, JAWS, and/or the Touch
Cursor?

Now, regarding "leaving everything to the default" during Windows 10 set-up,
were these the dialogue check boxes regarding what information you were
willing to "send to Microsoft"? If so, you might want to revisit these
boxes to uncheck them. However, someone else will have to tell you how to
do this as I am not all that technically inclined, and have never done a
"Windows installation" myself.

On the subject of installing Windows 10, there was a message, from 1 of the
listers, that gave very clear directions on how to avoid giving away your
"privacy" to Microsoft. If the person who sent that message is seeing this,
perhaps she/he could resend those instructions. I have no intention of
installing Windows 10 for some time yet - not until "most" of the bugs have
been worked out, and after JAWS 17 has been released - for a while, to be
sure. So, I did not hang on to that message at the time.

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tesar
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 6:27 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Peter Tesar <ptesar@ca.inter.net>
Subject: RE: Uninstalling older versions of JAWS.

Hello,

I didn't get JAWS again until the whole process of installing Windows 10
was finished, almost 3 hours.

JAWS was alive for the download phase, about 50 minutes. I could get
JAWS to read the progress line showing the percentage completed.

I had sighted assistance after the reboot.

Since, I was told that I could have finished the install process by
starting Narrator
with the Windows Key plus ENTER.

The final phase required setting check boxes to allow your loss of
privacy. I left it simple by leaving everything to the default.

On some computers, the chevron button has a:
start Windows 10 button

This I did not use because the computer did not have it in the chevron
button.

Peter T.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Uninstalling older versions of JAWS.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 13:29:52 -0400
From: Jim Hamilton <jim.hamilton@rogers.com>
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
CC: 'Peter Tesar' <ptesar@ca.inter.net>



How did you get JAWS to restart after it stopped with the first system
reboot during the Windows 10 installation process?

Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tesar
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 5:25 PM
To:jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Peter Tesar<ptesar@ca.inter.net>
Subject: Re: Uninstalling older versions of JAWS.

Hi,

I just went through the process of installing Windows 10. The Freedom
Scientific site:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Windows10Upgrade

says that you have to first use the utility tool to remove all versions
of JAWS prior to the latest version of JAWS 16: 0.4350.

The latest version of Jaws works with Windows 10.

Even if you don't want to install Windows 10, I would suspect that the
utility tool can still be used to clean up your computer of older
versions of JAWS.

After running the utility tool, I still had JAWS working and it
continute to work during the download and install of Windows 10. JAWS
stopped when the computer began the first of the several reboots.

Peter T.

On 2015-09-08 12:22 PM, Michael Mote via Jew wrote:
Hi folks! It's been awhile, and I can't remember the best way to
uninstall
older versions of JAWS. Should I leave behind the shared components or
uninstall them too? Any suggestions?







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moodle?

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

I'm fixing to take a college course online in January. They will be using
moodle for class discussions, etc. Has anyone used Moodle, what
accessibility issues if any is there with jaws?

Thank you.





Kimsan Song

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how to activate Dell updates

Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@...>
 

Hello List Friends,



I have been wanting to ask this question for sometime. I am using a Dell
laptop with the full keyboard. Offten, I get a window in the lower right
corner of my computer, regarding Dell updates. I discovered this by
accidentally touching that part of the screen, however; I could not seem to
activate the "update" button. I also went to the "notification area" and
arrowed to the Dell update button, tried to do "space-bar, "enter" and also
tried the "right mouse" button as well as the "shift F10"to bring up the
contex menu, but nothing works. I end up getting a sighted person to "click"
on that button. That does iit, but they seem to have updates rather often,
and each time, I go through the same process.



Is there a solution to this problem? Any ideas would be appreciated.



Barbara Hansen

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Re: Jaws and Microsoft Access

Mario
 

yep, "the snowman". he also made some other scripts for programs that he used and made them available for a price for others to use.

On 9/9/2015 4:50 PM, Dave Carlson via Jfw wrote:
Jim Snowbarger, I think. But not sure he did scripting beyond that for audio
and music-related apps. Could be wrong, and he did develop the Hot Spot
Clicker concept.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mcginnis, Barbara via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Mcginnis, Barbara" <barbara.mcginnis@dhhs.nc.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Jaws and Microsoft Access


Okay you old timers. Question: What was the name of the individual that
wrote so many scripts for JAWS? I am thinking his name had something to do
with snow. Does anyone remember?

-----Original Message-----
From: Teddy assefa via Jfw [mailto:jfw@lists.the-jdh.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 1:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Teddy assefa <theo.assefa@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws and Microsoft Access

Thanks Dave, hopefully that user will chime in. Any ideas on how I can get a
hold of those scripts for older JAWS versions.

Thanks
-Teddy

On Sep 9, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Dave Carlson via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
wrote:

FS stopped script development for MS-Access several versions ago; I
think around JAWS 7. You might get some help with that version if you
can find the scripts and recompile them for the current version.
Another user on this list has been struggling with MS-Access for years;
perhaps he'll chime in.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Teddy assefa via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Teddy assefa" <theo.assefa@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 07:40 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws and Microsoft Access


Yes, there is practically no material available for developing apps in
Access (or any VBA based).

I'm using common windows controls and appears the properties need to
be modified for JAWS. Some examples of issues Im having are:
- a password Textbox field, JAWS echoes the characters typed in and
not asterisk
- radio buttons (in an Option Group) when checked, JAWS reads as
Not-checked (and vice-versa)
- cannot Tab to the heading of a Tab control

Anyone else gone down this road?

Thanks
-Teddy

On Sep 9, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Mcginnis, Barbara via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

I have often wondered myself why there is not more JAWS information
on Access. It is like Access just fell by the wayside.

-----Original Message-----
From: Teddy assefa via Jfw [mailto:jfw@lists.the-jdh.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 9:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Teddy assefa <theo.assefa@gmail.com>
Subject: Jaws and Microsoft Access

Hi ,
Is there any documentation or sample code out there for making MS
Access applications 508 compliant and/or readable with JAWS ?

Thanks
-Teddy
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About external hard drive with password protection and cloud service thatexcess

John Chan <aznboyz4sho@...>
 

I need to know what external hard drive that has password protection is accessible with jaws and what cloud service is accessible with Jaws as well Sent from Mac's iPhone


About accessible external hard drive and cloud Storage

John Chan <aznboyz4sho@...>
 

Wif jaws as well.I need an accessible external that have password protection on it and I need to know what cloud service is accessible

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Re: JAWS updates

Maria Campbell
 

It's all been done at least once.
Thanks.

On 9/11/2015 2:10 AM, Mark via Jfw wrote:
Hello Maria,

I only now just tunes into this thread.

Again, having not read any other suggestions on this I will list for you the
steps I would take if experiencing your problem:


1.
Make sure that Windows 10 is up-to-date.

2.
In Windows 10, set your user account control (UAC) to zero.

3.
Completely uninstall Jaws and all shared Freedom Scientific files from your
Windows 10 PC.

4.
Reboot your computer.

5.
Install the latest version of Jaws.

6.
After installation is complete, reboot your PC.

7.
Attempt to check for Jaws update.

8.
Restore your user account control back to its original setting.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 11:24 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: JAWS updates

I have mentioned that on my w 10 laptop I am unable to check for JAWS
updates. FS says it's a Windows issue. Microsoft says it's an FS issue.
I have done all I know how to do.
If it is a firewall, proxy, or anything of that type, I don't know how to
find/solve the problem.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
It is not a problem on my W 7 machine.
--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@ct.metrocast.net

Trials without God will break you. Trials with God will make you.


Re: JAWS updates

Mark <facebookmark@...>
 

Hello Maria,

I only now just tunes into this thread.

Again, having not read any other suggestions on this I will list for you the
steps I would take if experiencing your problem:


1.
Make sure that Windows 10 is up-to-date.

2.
In Windows 10, set your user account control (UAC) to zero.

3.
Completely uninstall Jaws and all shared Freedom Scientific files from your
Windows 10 PC.

4.
Reboot your computer.

5.
Install the latest version of Jaws.

6.
After installation is complete, reboot your PC.

7.
Attempt to check for Jaws update.

8.
Restore your user account control back to its original setting.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 11:24 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: JAWS updates

I have mentioned that on my w 10 laptop I am unable to check for JAWS
updates. FS says it's a Windows issue. Microsoft says it's an FS issue.
I have done all I know how to do.
If it is a firewall, proxy, or anything of that type, I don't know how to
find/solve the problem.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
It is not a problem on my W 7 machine.

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@ct.metrocast.net

Trials without God will break you. Trials with God will make you.

--

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Accessibility in office 2013

Pablo Morales
 

Hi all,

For the last three months, I have been investigating the accessibility of
office 2013 and office 365 in several devices. The result of this
investigation is that the accessibility of office 365 is not very stable .
For example, If I have one accessibility problem in one computer, maybe in
the next computer that problem doesn't exist, but in this other computer I
will find a problem that is not in the first computer. What is creating
these kinds of problems?

I really don't understand what is going on here, but for example if I try to
use the signature dialog in outlook 365, in one computer it is not
accessible, and in the second it is a little bit more accessible, but you
can notice that there is something wrong on that dialog. In the third
computer the spelling dialog in word is not accessible, but in the fourth
computer the dialog is fully accessible. In outlook some times in the
calendar, in the day view, jaws reads the schedules, but other times jaws
doesn't say anything. I tried today with FS on the phone, to see what was
the problem, and they asked me to try using narrator. We noticed that with
narrator it wasn't possible to read the schedules. I have been talking to FS
several times in the last 4 days, and they say that the spelling dialog in
word 2013 is not accessible, and there is nothing that they can do about
this problem. They also say that the signature dialog in Outlook is not
accessible, but I have a a laptop here in my home, where the dialog on
office 2013 is 90% accessible, when in the other computers is around 10%
accessible.

Why does the accessibility change so much when I have been testing office on
computers with the same brand and model, and on computers with good
hardware?

Can anybody give me a little bit of light in this issue?

Thanks in advance,





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Re: JAWS updates

Gennie Eachus <geachus@...>
 

I am using windows 10 and JAWS16. I checked for updates with no problem.
Go to JAWS and press alt-h.
Arrow up to check for updates.
You will get the user account asking whether you want to allow Freedom
Scientific to make changes to your computer.
Go to yes.
JAWS will tell you that checking may take a few minutes.
You should get the message saying that JAWS is up to date if you have
version ending in 4350.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 1:24 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Maria Campbell <lucky1@ct.metrocast.net>
Subject: JAWS updates

I have mentioned that on my w 10 laptop I am unable to check for JAWS
updates. FS says it's a Windows issue. Microsoft says it's an FS issue.
I have done all I know how to do.
If it is a firewall, proxy, or anything of that type, I don't know how to
find/solve the problem.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
It is not a problem on my W 7 machine.

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@ct.metrocast.net

Trials without God will break you. Trials with God will make you.

--

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