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Re: detecting formatting in word 2013 especially paragraphs

Steve Griffiths
 

Hi Jodie,

If you just want to move by paragraph, Ctrl-Down or Ctrl-Up will do it; you can add Shift to select by that amount.

If you want, you can also put paragraph marks on the screen so that, even if you're arrowing through a document, you'll know where paragraphs end. The "paragraph mark" is the character that you get when you press the Enter key, but usually it's not visible because most people aren't bothered about it.

The Ctrl-Shift-8 keystroke that's been mentioned adds a number of "non-printing" marks to the screen, including paragraph marks, spaces and Tabs. Recent versions of JAWS don't read these, and I think this is because people often pressed the command by mistake, and then couldn't get rid of the extra information JAWS was reading out.

But you can still add just paragraph marks to the screen from the Options dialogue. Press Alt, F, T to open the dialogue. DownArrow to Display, then Tab to Paragraph marks. Press Space to toggle the setting to checked. Then press Enter to close the dialogue. When you do it this way, JAWS will read the paragraph marks that are now on screen.

Hope that helps,
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Subject: detecting formatting in word 2013 especially paragraphs

Hi List,
I am doing an editing exercise using word 2013 and JAWS 16. I need to be able to detect paragraphs in the document so that I can highlight them and change their formatting eg., re-align the paragraph etc.
for the life of me I cannot find the commands to do this. Using a full keyboard.
Thanks for any advice.
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Re: Uninstalling older versions of JAWS.

Tom Behler
 

Mike:

When I was working with Freedom Scientific on my Windows 7 computer issues
earlier this Summer, I was told that if I leave shared components on my
system for a normal Jaws un-install, there should be no harm done.

Of course, if you want to clean your machine of Jaws and all related
components completely, that's a different story and a different process.

I'll be interested to see what others have to say on the question.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

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Re: Using JAWS & Dragon Naturally Speaking at the same time

HAMILTON
 

Thanks.

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Subject: RE: Using JAWS & Dragon Naturally Speaking at the same time

Sorry to be so late here. I use Dragon Naturally Speaking all the
time.
It is truly fantastic, and I do not use J-SAY.
I have an expired license for J-SAY, and it might be useful on my
home computer.
I cannot use it, however, on my work computer, and I'm afraid
anyone who tries to use J-SAY in a highly secure work environment
will have troubles.
I gave up on J-SAY after an aborted attempt by our IT Department
to install it.
It may have been J-SAY's copy protection system, or it may have
been our hyper-secure environment.
The two never played well together, and finally, did not play with
each other at all.
Perhaps J-SAY has relaxed its copy protection scheme. I know our
security restrictions are now at least 3 times higher.
I, therefore, use Naturally Speaking with JAWS by itself.
Training is a little challenging, as I recall, though training
persists from version to version.
There are some settings that are pretty crucial, but if you get
the settings right, you should be fine.
The problem is that I no longer have the documentation for optimal
use. I would send the settings documentation if I had it.
One thing I do remember is that Naturally Speaking must be
operated from the System Tray.
There is also a screen-reader friendly mode, and that helps with
menus. Without J-SAY, you will not hear JAWS read back text as
you dictate. That takes some getting used to, but reviewing the
text, using the keyboard, is pretty easy, and Dragon Naturally
Speaking is now, almost as advertised, 98% accurate.
It won't be that accurate immediately, but over time, it improves.
So, do not give up on it after only a couple of days.



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Jim, J-Say has extensive documentation on all of the functions
supported.
It's really some of the best documentation I have ever seen. I
believe the cost for J-Say is around $600, I know the price
dropped when version 13, the latest version was released. I have
not used Dragon by itself, and have not really explored their
documentation either. I do know that without J-Say, one would
have to use the keyboard to review dictation, and for those who
have difficulty using the keyboard, this would be a problem.

Les

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In terms of ease of use, is the J-Say product different, in any
way, from Dragon Naturally Speaking? Also, how do the prices
compare?

Thanks.

Jim H

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Hi Again Tom,

I use this combination with the J-Say product from Hartgen
Consultancy.
With J-Say, dictation is echoed automatically. I did need to
lower my resolution on my Surface Pro, as the default setting was
too high, and dictation was not echoed. Once making this
adjustment, it works well.

Les

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Is anyone using JAWS & Dragon Naturally Speaking at the same time?
Is it worth it? How well do they work together?

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Uninstalling older versions of JAWS.

Michael Mote
 

Hi folks! It's been awhile, and I can't remember the best way to uninstall
older versions of JAWS. Should I leave behind the shared components or
uninstall them too? Any suggestions?







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Re: detecting formatting in word 2013 especially paragraphs

HAMILTON
 

HI:

As usual, I have a "take charge/control" approach to this kind of thing.
First, I go into JAWS Keyboard Manager. I find the section that allows you
to read things like "Prior" and "next", regarding "word", sentence" and
"paragraph. I then set keystrokes for each. For example, in my case, I
have ctrl+numpad Home", set for previous paragraph, ctrl+numpad up arrow for
"current paragraph" and ctrl+numbad "page up" for "next paragraph". But,
that's just how "I" like it. You can set it up as you wish - or, use the
JAWS values, if there are any already set forth for these settings.

In your case, I would then move to the "select..,." part of this Keyboard
Manager list, and set shift+ctrl+numpad "page up" for selecting the "next
paragraph", assuming that I wish to select, and copy/cut and paste my "next
paragraph, as my keystrokes to accomplish this. Then, I can move it
anywhere, and make whatever editing changes I want to make to that paragraph
- as it seems you wish to do.

Frankly, I do not know the other suggestions that have been put forward to
this question. However, as I mentioned, I like to "be in charge", and I
prefer this kind of approach. And, once these Keyboard Manager setting
changes have been made, I can do what I want, editing-wise, without worrying
about what I may need to do with the word/sentence/paragraph after moving
it.

Good luck. You will find what works best for you, and that may not be the
same as what works for me!

JimH

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Hi, Kimber. There is no announcement when you press CONTROL plus SHIFT plus
8. It just makes the change without telling you.
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Subject: Re: detecting formatting in word 2013 especially paragraphs


Adrian,

That's odd. I get nothing when I press control-shift-8 either in word
2010 or 2013 except for the announcement of the keys I've pressed.

Kimber

On 9/8/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Kimber,

In Word 2013, does the control-shift-8 (on the number row) still function
as
a toggle for this symbol? It might be simpler. (I still work with 2010.)

Also, the JAWS key-v quick setting dialog might help. Type I into the
search
field and arrow down through the results.

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Cc: Kimber Gardner
Subject: Re: detecting formatting in word 2013 especially paragraphs

Hi Jo,

I think what you want is to display paragraph marks so jaws will
indicate when you reach the end of a paragraph. To do this,

Go to options under the file tab by pressing alt F T.
You will find yourself in a list of categories. Arrow down once to
display, then tab over and explore your options for which marks to
display. Make sure to check the box for paragraph marks. Tab to ok and
press enter.

Now when you read your document with the up and down arrows (line by
line, you will hear jaws say "paragraph mark" when you reach the end
of a paragraph.

I hope this helps.

Kimber
Tab

On 9/7/15, Jodie Hoger via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi List,
I am doing an editing exercise using word 2013 and JAWS 16. I need to be
able to detect paragraphs in the document so that I can highlight them
and
change their formatting eg., re-align the paragraph etc.
for the life of me I cannot find the commands to do this. Using a full
keyboard.
Thanks for any advice.
Jo

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Re: language question

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Are you guys saying JAWS French pronunciation can't handle this? That seems about as weird as stumbling over Bill or John in English.

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Zjeanne might work.

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I too know someone by the name, Jeanne. It is almost impossible to
get the "soft" J sound. The closest that I have been able to come,
with her name, is "jian". The sound is correct, except for the
slightly harder "J" sound. At least, I recognize her name, and it's
much better than "Jeannie", or "Janine".
Give it a try.

Jim H

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I suggested Zjawn, but that Jeanne is pronounced like Jee Ann by JAWS.
I have a French Canadian friend, Jeanne, who will tell you that her
name is pronounced Zjawn.

Best from,

Carolyn

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I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's
going to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks
about Jean Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of
any blue jean pants or skirts.

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Subject: language question

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as
in
"Jean Valjean"? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that
name in the dictionary manager program, but couldn't get it to
pronounce
it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



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Re: Use of virtual ribbons and keyboard manager

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

It's a menu structure that supersedes the ribbons Ms began using in Office 2007. Frankly, I think the ribbons are just as easy as the JAWS workaround, but it's a matter of taste.

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Just curious. What is the function of the Virtual Ribbons. Why would someone want Virtual Ribbons on, and why would someone want Virtual Ribbons off? I have never understood Virtual Ribbons and what it does.

Daniel

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Pablo, if you'll go Insertt for JAWS Verbosity. Arrow way down past to User Beginning or Intermediate or Advanced, right or not far after that, you'll come to Virtual Ribbon. You can check or uncheck it, whichever you prefer.
windows-10-and-jaws@yahoogroups.co.in

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I read the instructions to switch the echo level, and those instructions were very good.
Now I am trying to use a keystroke to switch the use of virtual ribbons, but when I look for use of virtual ribbons or something like that, it doesn't appear in the default list. There is a way to switch the virtual ribbons on or off through a keystroke?
Maybe through a script, but I have no idea what is the function to switch the virtual ribbon function on/off.
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Re: Use of virtual ribbons and keyboard manager

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

You can set that up universally, just make sure you set it in Settings center's default configuration.

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Agree with that; same with punctuation. Another is Speak Dollar Last. I have had to set it in Outlook and in Documents. Wherever I go, I have to set it.
Once set, it should be universal. It's bad enough to have to set it. I realize that if JAWS is sold to someone in England, that might not be important, but if the dollar sign comes first, the thing should be spoken to speak last. That seems so simple to me, and to think that way down through JAWS 16, and it doesn't? Well, JAWS makes it possible for me to even use a computer, so I am very glad for what I have.

Best from,

Carolyn


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Hi Carolyn,
Yes, but I was looking something quicly, and easyer. The number of steps to get to the ribbon option are around 3, when the options are just 2, yes or no. Would be easyer to switch this binary value with just a keystroke instead 3.
Because of that I was thinking that probably through a script or through the keyboard manager fits the possibility to do it.
Thanks


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Pablo, if you'll go Insert V for JAWS Verbosity. Arrow way down past to User Beginning or Intermediate or Advanced, right or not far after that, you'll come to Virtual Ribbon. You can check or uncheck it, whichever you prefer.

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Pablo, if you'll go Insert V for JAWS Verbosity. Arrow way down past to User Beginning or Intermediate or Advanced, right or not far after that, you'll come to Virtual Ribbon. You can check or uncheck it, whichever you prefer.
windows-10-and-jaws@yahoogroups.co.in

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Subject: Use of virtual ribbons and keyboard manager

I read the instructions to switch the echo level, and those instructions were very good.
Now I am trying to use a keystroke to switch the use of virtual ribbons, but when I look for use of virtual ribbons or something like that, it doesn't appear in the default list. There is a way to switch the virtual ribbons on or off through a keystroke?
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Re: detecting formatting in word 2013 especially paragraphs

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Kimber. There is no announcement when you press CONTROL plus SHIFT plus 8. It just makes the change without telling you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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Subject: Re: detecting formatting in word 2013 especially paragraphs


Adrian,

That's odd. I get nothing when I press control-shift-8 either in word
2010 or 2013 except for the announcement of the keys I've pressed.

Kimber

On 9/8/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Kimber,

In Word 2013, does the control-shift-8 (on the number row) still function as
a toggle for this symbol? It might be simpler. (I still work with 2010.)

Also, the JAWS key-v quick setting dialog might help. Type I into the search
field and arrow down through the results.

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Subject: Re: detecting formatting in word 2013 especially paragraphs

Hi Jo,

I think what you want is to display paragraph marks so jaws will
indicate when you reach the end of a paragraph. To do this,

Go to options under the file tab by pressing alt F T.
You will find yourself in a list of categories. Arrow down once to
display, then tab over and explore your options for which marks to
display. Make sure to check the box for paragraph marks. Tab to ok and
press enter.

Now when you read your document with the up and down arrows (line by
line, you will hear jaws say "paragraph mark" when you reach the end
of a paragraph.

I hope this helps.

Kimber
Tab

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Hi List,
I am doing an editing exercise using word 2013 and JAWS 16. I need to be
able to detect paragraphs in the document so that I can highlight them
and
change their formatting eg., re-align the paragraph etc.
for the life of me I cannot find the commands to do this. Using a full
keyboard.
Thanks for any advice.
Jo

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Re: language question

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

On that, specify caps only. Of course, that would also apply to Ms. Stapleton. Rather reminds me of the episode where Archie had a hospital roommate from Martinique, but that is another story.

Ted

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Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:03 PM
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Subject: RE: language question

I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's going to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks about Jean Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of any blue jean pants or skirts.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:54 PM
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Subject: language question

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as in
“Jean Valjean”? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that name
in the dictionary manager program, but couldn’t get it to pronounce it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
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Re: detecting formatting in word 2013 especially paragraphs

Ann Byrne
 

How about alt-h, then 8?

At 07:17 AM 9/8/2015, you wrote:
Adrian,

That's odd. I get nothing when I press control-shift-8 either in word
2010 or 2013 except for the announcement of the keys I've pressed.

Kimber

On 9/8/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Kimber,

In Word 2013, does the control-shift-8 (on the number row) still
function as
a toggle for this symbol? It might be simpler. (I still work with 2010.)

Also, the JAWS key-v quick setting dialog might help. Type I into
the search
field and arrow down through the results.

-----Original Message-----
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Kimber Gardner
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 7:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Kimber Gardner
Subject: Re: detecting formatting in word 2013 especially paragraphs

Hi Jo,

I think what you want is to display paragraph marks so jaws will
indicate when you reach the end of a paragraph. To do this,

Go to options under the file tab by pressing alt F T.
You will find yourself in a list of categories. Arrow down once to
display, then tab over and explore your options for which marks to
display. Make sure to check the box for paragraph marks. Tab to ok and
press enter.

Now when you read your document with the up and down arrows (line by
line, you will hear jaws say "paragraph mark" when you reach the end
of a paragraph.

I hope this helps.

Kimber
Tab

On 9/7/15, Jodie Hoger via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi List,
I am doing an editing exercise using word 2013 and JAWS 16. I need to be
able to detect paragraphs in the document so that I can highlight them
and
change their formatting eg., re-align the paragraph etc.
for the life of me I cannot find the commands to do this. Using a full
keyboard.
Thanks for any advice.
Jo

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Re: detecting formatting in word 2013 especially paragraphs

Kimber Gardner
 

Adrian,

That's odd. I get nothing when I press control-shift-8 either in word
2010 or 2013 except for the announcement of the keys I've pressed.

Kimber

On 9/8/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Kimber,

In Word 2013, does the control-shift-8 (on the number row) still function as
a toggle for this symbol? It might be simpler. (I still work with 2010.)

Also, the JAWS key-v quick setting dialog might help. Type I into the search
field and arrow down through the results.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 7:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Kimber Gardner
Subject: Re: detecting formatting in word 2013 especially paragraphs

Hi Jo,

I think what you want is to display paragraph marks so jaws will
indicate when you reach the end of a paragraph. To do this,

Go to options under the file tab by pressing alt F T.
You will find yourself in a list of categories. Arrow down once to
display, then tab over and explore your options for which marks to
display. Make sure to check the box for paragraph marks. Tab to ok and
press enter.

Now when you read your document with the up and down arrows (line by
line, you will hear jaws say "paragraph mark" when you reach the end
of a paragraph.

I hope this helps.

Kimber
Tab

On 9/7/15, Jodie Hoger via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi List,
I am doing an editing exercise using word 2013 and JAWS 16. I need to be
able to detect paragraphs in the document so that I can highlight them
and
change their formatting eg., re-align the paragraph etc.
for the life of me I cannot find the commands to do this. Using a full
keyboard.
Thanks for any advice.
Jo

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Re: what to expect with jaws 17

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

You're right, that's how it should work, but on this system following that link simply starts the program. It might be possible to download while it's playing; I might try playing with it a little more. I looked for a workable link on the FS site, but had no luck. I might not have looked hard enough. Maybe I should launch an actual search.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Paul Martz via Jfw
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 6:52 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Martz
Subject: RE: what to expect with jaws 17

Follow the link in the original post, it takes you to a web page. Then tab to the FS Cast 113 link, and use the application context menu. There's an option to "save target as". That will download the file for you.
-Paul



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Re: detecting formatting in word 2013 especially paragraphs

Adrian Spratt
 

Kimber,

In Word 2013, does the control-shift-8 (on the number row) still function as a toggle for this symbol? It might be simpler. (I still work with 2010.)

Also, the JAWS key-v quick setting dialog might help. Type I into the search field and arrow down through the results.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 7:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Kimber Gardner
Subject: Re: detecting formatting in word 2013 especially paragraphs

Hi Jo,

I think what you want is to display paragraph marks so jaws will
indicate when you reach the end of a paragraph. To do this,

Go to options under the file tab by pressing alt F T.
You will find yourself in a list of categories. Arrow down once to
display, then tab over and explore your options for which marks to
display. Make sure to check the box for paragraph marks. Tab to ok and
press enter.

Now when you read your document with the up and down arrows (line by
line, you will hear jaws say "paragraph mark" when you reach the end
of a paragraph.

I hope this helps.

Kimber
Tab

On 9/7/15, Jodie Hoger via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi List,
I am doing an editing exercise using word 2013 and JAWS 16. I need to be
able to detect paragraphs in the document so that I can highlight them and
change their formatting eg., re-align the paragraph etc.
for the life of me I cannot find the commands to do this. Using a full
keyboard.
Thanks for any advice.
Jo

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Re: detecting formatting in word 2013 especially paragraphs

Kimber Gardner
 

Hi Jo,

I think what you want is to display paragraph marks so jaws will
indicate when you reach the end of a paragraph. To do this,

Go to options under the file tab by pressing alt F T.
You will find yourself in a list of categories. Arrow down once to
display, then tab over and explore your options for which marks to
display. Make sure to check the box for paragraph marks. Tab to ok and
press enter.

Now when you read your document with the up and down arrows (line by
line, you will hear jaws say "paragraph mark" when you reach the end
of a paragraph.

I hope this helps.

Kimber
Tab

On 9/7/15, Jodie Hoger via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi List,
I am doing an editing exercise using word 2013 and JAWS 16. I need to be
able to detect paragraphs in the document so that I can highlight them and
change their formatting eg., re-align the paragraph etc.
for the life of me I cannot find the commands to do this. Using a full
keyboard.
Thanks for any advice.
Jo

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Re: windows 10--deleting a shortcut from the desktop???

Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

Ann, I'm running 8.1, so don't know if it's different under Windows 10. Try
typing Shift-F10 on the shortcut you wish to delete. There should be a
context menu and delete should be one of the choices.

Les

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It appears the delete key doesn't do it. How do I get rid of a
desktop shortcut???

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Re: Using JAWS & Dragon Naturally Speaking at the same time

Ed Marquette <marquette.ed@...>
 

Sorry to be so late here. I use Dragon Naturally Speaking all the
time.
It is truly fantastic, and I do not use J-SAY.
I have an expired license for J-SAY, and it might be useful on my
home computer.
I cannot use it, however, on my work computer, and I'm afraid
anyone who tries to use J-SAY in a highly secure work environment
will have troubles.
I gave up on J-SAY after an aborted attempt by our IT Department
to install it.
It may have been J-SAY's copy protection system, or it may have
been our hyper-secure environment.
The two never played well together, and finally, did not play with
each other at all.
Perhaps J-SAY has relaxed its copy protection scheme. I know our
security restrictions are now at least 3 times higher.
I, therefore, use Naturally Speaking with JAWS by itself.
Training is a little challenging, as I recall, though training
persists from version to version.
There are some settings that are pretty crucial, but if you get
the settings right, you should be fine.
The problem is that I no longer have the documentation for optimal
use. I would send the settings documentation if I had it.
One thing I do remember is that Naturally Speaking must be
operated from the System Tray.
There is also a screen-reader friendly mode, and that helps with
menus. Without J-SAY, you will not hear JAWS read back text as
you dictate. That takes some getting used to, but reviewing the
text, using the keyboard, is pretty easy, and Dragon Naturally
Speaking is now, almost as advertised, 98% accurate.
It won't be that accurate immediately, but over time, it improves.
So, do not give up on it after only a couple of days.

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Kriegler via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2015 4:35 PM
To: 'Jim Hamilton'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Les Kriegler
Subject: RE: Using JAWS & Dragon Naturally Speaking at the same
time

Jim, J-Say has extensive documentation on all of the functions
supported.
It's really some of the best documentation I have ever seen. I
believe the cost for J-Say is around $600, I know the price
dropped when version 13, the latest version was released. I have
not used Dragon by itself, and have not really explored their
documentation either. I do know that without J-Say, one would
have to use the keyboard to review dictation, and for those who
have difficulty using the keyboard, this would be a problem.

Les

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Cc: 'Les Kriegler' <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Using JAWS & Dragon Naturally Speaking at the same
time

In terms of ease of use, is the J-Say product different, in any
way, from Dragon Naturally Speaking? Also, how do the prices
compare?

Thanks.

Jim H

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Subject: RE: Using JAWS & Dragon Naturally Speaking at the same
time

Hi Again Tom,

I use this combination with the J-Say product from Hartgen
Consultancy.
With J-Say, dictation is echoed automatically. I did need to
lower my resolution on my Surface Pro, as the default setting was
too high, and dictation was not echoed. Once making this
adjustment, it works well.

Les

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Corboy via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2015 12:30 PM
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Subject: Using JAWS & Dragon Naturally Speaking at the same time

Is anyone using JAWS & Dragon Naturally Speaking at the same time?
Is it worth it? How well do they work together?

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Re: Windows 10--what has replaced programs and features???

Nermin
 

Hi Ann,

press Windows Key+x, which will open up a context menu. In that menu, the first item you land on should be programs and features.
Press enter on that, and you can uninstall the software.
Also, you might want to check if the software in question has an uninstall icon in its programme group.

Regards,
Nermin


windows 10--deleting a shortcut from the desktop???

Ann Byrne
 

It appears the delete key doesn't do it. How do I get rid of a desktop shortcut???

thanks.


Windows 10--what has replaced programs and features???

Ann Byrne
 

I need to uninstall a program. How would I do it?

thanks.