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Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Adrian Spratt
 

There's one more good reason to avoid FS's virtual ribbon. Using the MS ribbon, we're using the same one that everyone in the world does. It means we can share info with sighted people and take advantage of regular online solutions when we encounter problems. I google solutions to Office problems regularly, but the answers might do me little good if I'd resorted to the virtual ribbon.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:33 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Les Kriegler
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

I think the instructions Bill is referring to is that as you tab, the
keystrokes for accessing the various options from within the ribbon are
given. Personally, I can live without that. I've had a real struggle with
the ribbons ever since I started to use them, and I think it's because
virtual ribbons were checked. I wondered why NVDA seemed to handle the
ribbons more effectively than Jaws, and now I think I understand why that
was the case. In retrospect, use of the virtual ribbons caused me more
trouble than they were worth. Perhaps FS will improve on that feature, but
for now, I won't be using that feature.

Les

-----Original Message-----
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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 8:38 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

So, Bill, if I lose JAWS instructions, I might not know what I'm doing or
where I am?

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Jfw
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Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Carolyn. You can either use the shortcuts, or you can use the arrow keys
plus the tab key to navigate the ribbon. You just lose some of the JAWS
instructions while navigating.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:03 PM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


So, if we take the check off the virtual ribbon, how do we navigate
for ribbon information?

Carolyn


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White via Jfw
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Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les. The argument for not unchecking the Virtual Ribbon is this:
JAWS put in the "Virtual Ribbon" for those who wanted to manually
navigate the ribbons using the arrows and the Tab key. It is supposed
to make the menus more accessible, but I haven't found this to be true
in most instances.

Brad was saying that people may say to uncheck the Virtual Ribbon
without telling the person the down side of unchecking the Virtual
Ribbon. This may be true. However, some of the techs at FS tell you to
check the Virtual Ribbon, without telling you that this blocks the
function of some of the shortcuts.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Okay, what are the consequences of unchecking the use of ribbons? I
followed Bill's instructions to uncheck it, and the shortcut keys are
easier to use, but I would like to know the argument for not doing
this. If it matters, I'm running Outlook 2013 with Jaws 16. Thanks.

Les

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Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 3:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Yes, but some people may want to stay with the virtual ribbon, which
is the FS attempt to make ribbon navigation easier for visually
impaired users.
Personally, I stayed with the regular ribbon, which is fine once you
get used to it. All I'm saying is that people considering unchecking
this option need to be aware of the consequences.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

To check your settings for the Virtual Ribbon Menu in JAWS:

Press JAWS KEY plus F2. Arrow down to Settings Center and press Enter.
Press the letter M until it says Miscellaneous. Press Right Arrow to
Open Miscellaneous.

Arrow down to Virtual Ribbon Menu. It will probably tell you that
this setting is unavailable except in the default configuration of JAWS.

To load the default configuration: Press Shift plus Control plus the
letter D as in dog.

Once your default configuration is loaded, you can Press the Up and
Down Arrow to see if your Virtual Ribbon Menu is checked or not. You
want it to be unchecked if you want all of the keyboard shortcuts to
work
properly.
If
it is checked, press the Space Bar to uncheck it. Then Tab to OK and
press Enter to save these settings.

I hope this helps you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon?

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White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:33 PM
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Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the
Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration
Menu?

This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option
under Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having. I press Alt-V
followed by C and V and hear nothing. Tabbing yields a blank area
which Jaws speaks.

Les

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Hourigan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013,
and pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up
"Current view group box", with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

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Barbara Hansen via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
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Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@embarqmail.com>
Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the
suggestion to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this.
The suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up
the ribbons menu and enter on the "view" menu, nothing happens. It
just says "blank". I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
"blank".



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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Re: submitting tickets to Zendesk sites

Brent Harding
 

Uber and Apple are two instances with categories. It isn't even accessible on iOS either, but I bet if I didn't have broken arrow keys that are remapped to unused keys in Windows, Safari probably works perfectly with it on OSX. I could be wrong about that though.

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Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: submitting tickets to Zendesk sites


Brent,

I'm afraid I'm not going to be any help to you. After I sent my previous message, it occurred to me (derf dederf derf) that I could access what I needed at home as easily as at work. We do use a vendor that uses Zendesk, but there are no dropdowns on their portal. There's an edit field for Subject, and edit field for Description, and an edit field for the name of the organization for which we work. Then there's a browse button in case we need to attach any files to the request, and then a submit button. So apparently the vendor doesn't use any categories. The last time I used Zendesk with a different vendor, we did have categories to select, but it wasn't a problem in 2011-2012. But I no longer have access to that instance of Zendesk. I suspect you're suffering from a move to a mobile friendly platform for Zendesk, which often breaks accessibility.

Sorry not to be of more help.

Brad



On 8/9/2015 3:39 PM, Brent Harding via Jfw wrote:
I need to submit a ticket to a site that uses Zendesk. However, whether I use JFW with Chrome or Firefox, or even try to do it on my phone with iOS, I can't get past the drop down boxes to select the category. They don't identify as any link or combo box for me to use them, and turning virtual cursor off lands me on the wrong category most of the time. Apple and Uber are just two examples of sites that use this. How can I get my ticket submitted?

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Outlook 2013 Question

Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

Hi All,

I just started using Outlook 2013 today with the latest version of Jaws.
Most of the time, when I launch Outlook, Jaws is losing focus rather than
landing in the Inbox of Outlook 2013. I never experienced this with 2010.
Has anyone experienced this behavior, and if so, can this be rectified?
Thanks.

Les


Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

Kevin, I agree. If one prefers the virtual ribbons, than by all means, they
should use them. For myself, a list of the shortcut keys that I can
reference will be more useful than trying to memorize the keystrokes as they
are verbalized, but again that's personal preference. I called the
Microsoft Accessibility team and they just sent me a variety of links for
various keystrokes for the various Office apps in 2013. If anyone wishes
them, write privately, unless it's okay to post them publicly on the list.
My e-mail address is: kriegler@nycap.rr.com.

Les

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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 8:03 PM
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Cc: Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Les,
I presume you mean unchecking the use of the virtual ribbon. Some people
prefer to use the virtual ribbon and keyboard around through the various
sections of the ribbons viewing all of the available options. The virtual
ribbon is quite useful when one is first acquainting themselves with the
features on the ribbon, and Jaws is announcing the keystrokes for the
various features as well. But once one is familiar with what is there, and
has memorized the keystrokes for what they want done, it is simpler and
quicker to use the keystroke rather than arrowing and tabbing all over the
place, "Short term pain for long term gain". It is one's personal preference

Cheers Kevin.

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Cc: Les Kriegler <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Okay, what are the consequences of unchecking the use of ribbons? I
followed Bill's instructions to uncheck it, and the shortcut keys are easier
to use, but I would like to know the argument for not doing this. If it
matters, I'm running Outlook 2013 with Jaws 16. Thanks.

Les

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Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Yes, but some people may want to stay with the virtual ribbon, which is the
FS attempt to make ribbon navigation easier for visually impaired users.
Personally, I stayed with the regular ribbon, which is fine once you get
used to it. All I'm saying is that people considering unchecking this option
need to be aware of the consequences.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

To check your settings for the Virtual Ribbon Menu in JAWS:

Press JAWS KEY plus F2. Arrow down to Settings Center and press Enter.
Press the letter M until it says Miscellaneous. Press Right Arrow to Open
Miscellaneous.

Arrow down to Virtual Ribbon Menu. It will probably tell you that this
setting is unavailable except in the default configuration of JAWS.

To load the default configuration: Press Shift plus Control plus the letter
D as in dog.

Once your default configuration is loaded, you can Press the Up and Down
Arrow to see if your Virtual Ribbon Menu is checked or not. You want it to
be unchecked if you want all of the keyboard shortcuts to work properly. If
it is checked, press the Space Bar to uncheck it. Then Tab to OK and press
Enter to save these settings.

I hope this helps you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon?

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White via Jfw
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Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the
Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration
Menu?

This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option
under Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having. I press Alt-V
followed by C and V and hear nothing. Tabbing yields a blank area
which Jaws speaks.

Les

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Hourigan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up
"Current view group box", with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

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Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@embarqmail.com>
Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion
to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The
suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the
ribbons menu and enter on the "view" menu, nothing happens. It just
says "blank". I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
"blank".



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

I think the instructions Bill is referring to is that as you tab, the
keystrokes for accessing the various options from within the ribbon are
given. Personally, I can live without that. I've had a real struggle with
the ribbons ever since I started to use them, and I think it's because
virtual ribbons were checked. I wondered why NVDA seemed to handle the
ribbons more effectively than Jaws, and now I think I understand why that
was the case. In retrospect, use of the virtual ribbons caused me more
trouble than they were worth. Perhaps FS will improve on that feature, but
for now, I won't be using that feature.

Les

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Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

So, Bill, if I lose JAWS instructions, I might not know what I'm doing or
where I am?

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Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Carolyn. You can either use the shortcuts, or you can use the arrow keys
plus the tab key to navigate the ribbon. You just lose some of the JAWS
instructions while navigating.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:03 PM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


So, if we take the check off the virtual ribbon, how do we navigate
for ribbon information?

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 6:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les. The argument for not unchecking the Virtual Ribbon is this:
JAWS put in the "Virtual Ribbon" for those who wanted to manually
navigate the ribbons using the arrows and the Tab key. It is supposed
to make the menus more accessible, but I haven't found this to be true
in most instances.

Brad was saying that people may say to uncheck the Virtual Ribbon
without telling the person the down side of unchecking the Virtual
Ribbon. This may be true. However, some of the techs at FS tell you to
check the Virtual Ribbon, without telling you that this blocks the
function of some of the shortcuts.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Kriegler via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Okay, what are the consequences of unchecking the use of ribbons? I
followed Bill's instructions to uncheck it, and the shortcut keys are
easier to use, but I would like to know the argument for not doing
this. If it matters, I'm running Outlook 2013 with Jaws 16. Thanks.

Les

-----Original Message-----
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Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 3:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Yes, but some people may want to stay with the virtual ribbon, which
is the FS attempt to make ribbon navigation easier for visually
impaired users.
Personally, I stayed with the regular ribbon, which is fine once you
get used to it. All I'm saying is that people considering unchecking
this option need to be aware of the consequences.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

To check your settings for the Virtual Ribbon Menu in JAWS:

Press JAWS KEY plus F2. Arrow down to Settings Center and press Enter.
Press the letter M until it says Miscellaneous. Press Right Arrow to
Open Miscellaneous.

Arrow down to Virtual Ribbon Menu. It will probably tell you that
this setting is unavailable except in the default configuration of JAWS.

To load the default configuration: Press Shift plus Control plus the
letter D as in dog.

Once your default configuration is loaded, you can Press the Up and
Down Arrow to see if your Virtual Ribbon Menu is checked or not. You
want it to be unchecked if you want all of the keyboard shortcuts to
work
properly.
If
it is checked, press the Space Bar to uncheck it. Then Tab to OK and
press Enter to save these settings.

I hope this helps you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the
Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration
Menu?

This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option
under Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Kriegler via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having. I press Alt-V
followed by C and V and hear nothing. Tabbing yields a blank area
which Jaws speaks.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Hourigan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013,
and pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up
"Current view group box", with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Barbara Hansen via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@embarqmail.com>
Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the
suggestion to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this.
The suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up
the ribbons menu and enter on the "view" menu, nothing happens. It
just says "blank". I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
"blank".



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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Re: notes

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Hello Kimsan,
It is too bad your brain is frozen; it looks like your memory is the only
one with that info, lol.
Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: August-09-15 4:07 PM
To: jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Kimsan <kimsansong@gmail.com>
Subject: notes

I'm having a brain freeze at the moment, but, when writing a note in
outlook 2013, since I'm using outlook 2013, if I was dumb enough to not
input when I wrote it is there a setting to have jaws echo that information?

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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
 

Same here: all my programs open quickly and are running smoothly. If I
hadn't done the upgrade myself, I would have thought my computer was built
for Windows 10.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 9:20 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 is working great for me... I don't mind the fact that Jaws
doesn't automatically read search results, as it's usually not the first
result I am looking for, so must arrow down the list anyway. Mostly Jaws is
quite responsive and all my programs open very quickly.

Cheers,

Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:55 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

I definitely agree with waiting until around the first of the year. That was
my initial intention until my programs began to die on me one at a time.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:08 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,
Correct (Gabriel Aul from Microsoft tweeted that there will be a service
release this month).
As for bad side of continuous refinements and updates, that's one thing I'm
slightly worried about: accessibility issues. For this reason, I advised
some knowledgeable blind people (including some JAWS users here) to stay as
Windows Insiders to help Microsoft iron out accessibility problems before
the general public receives updates. But as with any software releases,
Windows 10 will have flaws (a trending topic on various social networking
sites and newspaper articles is privacy concerns, and for screen reading,
Microsoft did something with UIA where performance degradation was observed
for some screen reader users).
As for upgrade period: yes, Windows 10 will be free for properly licensed
users until July 2016. Many would say, "take advantage of Windows 10 now".
However, I and others would like to advise you to hold off for a while
(especially for screen reader users; for JAWS users, please don't upgrade
until JAWS 17 comes out; there are certain things JAWS 16.0.4350 doesn't
support, including not reading Start search results automatically (to fix
this, JAWS may need to listen to a specific UIA event), no forms mode nor
virtual cursor in Edge (Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA) and not
announcing Action Center notifications for some users (to fix this, FS may
need to refine which controls are toasts, and toasts in Windows 10 are not
tool tips anymore, rather they are actual windows)).
Cheers,
Joseph P.S. Let me know if I spoke too much geekspeak.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Joseph,

I understand your point about continuous refinements, but the first
refinements will amount to a service pack even if not given that name. I'll
be content to wait. I assume the "bad" part you refer to is that from time
to time, a "refinement" may disrupt accessibility because screenreader
developers may find it hard to keep up. I agree.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 12:14 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,
There will be no service packs as in the past. Continuous refinements will
be the norm from now on, which are good thing and a bad thing.
Virtual desktops (called Task View) are a way to group running apps together
into workspaces. In other words, you can open multiple desktops with apps
for different purposes opened in each desktop. By default, when you install
Windows 10 and with multiple desktops opened, pressing Alt+TAB will cycle
among apps on the current desktop (go to Settings/System/Multitasking to
change this behavior). This isn't the same as having two or more user
accounts (I for one use two user accounts and switch between them for
various purposes).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the
end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting
for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first
rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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From: "Brad Martin via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Brad Martin" <brad@formyfriends.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and
I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
Brad Martin
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Windows 10 is working great for me... I don't mind the fact that Jaws
doesn't automatically read search results, as it's usually not the first
result I am looking for, so must arrow down the list anyway. Mostly Jaws is
quite responsive and all my programs open very quickly.

Cheers,

Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:55 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

I definitely agree with waiting until around the first of the year. That was
my initial intention until my programs began to die on me one at a time.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:08 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,
Correct (Gabriel Aul from Microsoft tweeted that there will be a service
release this month).
As for bad side of continuous refinements and updates, that's one thing I'm
slightly worried about: accessibility issues. For this reason, I advised
some knowledgeable blind people (including some JAWS users here) to stay as
Windows Insiders to help Microsoft iron out accessibility problems before
the general public receives updates. But as with any software releases,
Windows 10 will have flaws (a trending topic on various social networking
sites and newspaper articles is privacy concerns, and for screen reading,
Microsoft did something with UIA where performance degradation was observed
for some screen reader users).
As for upgrade period: yes, Windows 10 will be free for properly licensed
users until July 2016. Many would say, "take advantage of Windows 10 now".
However, I and others would like to advise you to hold off for a while
(especially for screen reader users; for JAWS users, please don't upgrade
until JAWS 17 comes out; there are certain things JAWS 16.0.4350 doesn't
support, including not reading Start search results automatically (to fix
this, JAWS may need to listen to a specific UIA event), no forms mode nor
virtual cursor in Edge (Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA) and not
announcing Action Center notifications for some users (to fix this, FS may
need to refine which controls are toasts, and toasts in Windows 10 are not
tool tips anymore, rather they are actual windows)).
Cheers,
Joseph P.S. Let me know if I spoke too much geekspeak.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Joseph,

I understand your point about continuous refinements, but the first
refinements will amount to a service pack even if not given that name. I'll
be content to wait. I assume the "bad" part you refer to is that from time
to time, a "refinement" may disrupt accessibility because screenreader
developers may find it hard to keep up. I agree.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 12:14 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,
There will be no service packs as in the past. Continuous refinements will
be the norm from now on, which are good thing and a bad thing.
Virtual desktops (called Task View) are a way to group running apps together
into workspaces. In other words, you can open multiple desktops with apps
for different purposes opened in each desktop. By default, when you install
Windows 10 and with multiple desktops opened, pressing Alt+TAB will cycle
among apps on the current desktop (go to Settings/System/Multitasking to
change this behavior). This isn't the same as having two or more user
accounts (I for one use two user accounts and switch between them for
various purposes).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the
end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting
for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first
rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Martin via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Brad Martin" <brad@formyfriends.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and
I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
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Re: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
 

It does, but not automatically as you type your search term; you have to use
the arrow keys to get JAWS to read them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Debbie April
Yuille via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 8:38 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Debbie April Yuille <debbiey1982@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: RE: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

Are you saying that JAWS does read the start search entries. I was under the
impression that it didn't read them.

Thanks
Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Monday, 10 August 2015 8:10 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Kimsan <kimsansong@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

I down arrow to list the results.
I think it would be annoying if jaws read hundreds of results
automatically...

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 11:34 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@icloud.com>
Subject: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

Dear List,



I wanted to let you all know that the latest version of WindowEyes (9.2.1)
does read search results automatically in Windows 10. So, if you have
Office 2010 or later, you can take advantage of this by installing
WindowEyes for Office users, at least until FS releases a fix.



Michal

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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hey Brad,

For sure, that makes total sense. If therrre's some great new functionality
with Edge when Jaws is able to support it, I'll let the list know.

Cheers,

Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 12:52 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Russell,

I think you're right on several counts. Whether to update or not is a
personal decision. My question was more a fact finding mission to
understand what I'd be getting if I updated. I'm the same way before I
buy anything--I want to know what it's going to do--either for me or to
me--when I get it. I also think that if I were running Windows 8.1, I'd
be more likely to update just to get back some of the Windows 7 feel and
functionality I lost with Windows 8.1. But since I have Windows 7
already, I think I'll just wait until I hear something compelling about
10, or until July 29, 2016 when the upgrade ceases to be free.

Brad

On 8/9/2015 9:20 AM, Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw wrote:
Hi Brad,

I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running
Windows
8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When
I
press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows
7.
If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which
is
really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she
isn't
able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
the only choice.

I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because
we
use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if
my
laptop wasn't fairly new.

I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive
technology,
so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

Russell
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like
to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Well, I'm glad it's working for you on your newer laptop, and hope it does
the same on your desktop! :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 1:42 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Pablo Morales <pablocmd2014@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Russell, yes you are right. I installed on a old computer and it didn't work
well with any program, it took for ever to open outlook, or just to restart,
jaws wasn't able to read the start menu, and some times crashed. Now I have
on a ACER laptop windows 10 installed, and it is working perfectly. Now I am
installing windows 10 on a dell desktop with an i7 processor, and I will see
how it works, but I believe that the hardware too old, could be a problem on
windows 10, like in whatever operating system or software.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 1:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Adrian,

I think it's more the age of the computer being updated than whether it's
Windows 7 or 8.1... I have an old Lenovo laptop... 10 years old, and I don't
think I'd like to update it to Windows 10... I had Windows 7 on it and
updated it to Windows 8.1 and was sorry because it ran so slow with Windows
8.1.

If you have a relatively new laptop or desktop running Windows 7 I wouldn't
hesitate updating to Windows 10, if you're so inclined.

Cheers,

Russell
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Russell,

To me, you make an argument for Win7 users to stay with Win7 but for Win8
and Win8.1 users maybe to think about it. Nothing I've read suggests any
immediate gains for Win7 users and several negatives. In time, upgrading to
Win10 will be unavoidable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running Windows
8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When I
press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows 7.
If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which is
really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she isn't
able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
the only choice.

I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because we
use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if my
laptop wasn't fairly new.

I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive technology,
so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

Russell
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Brad Martin <brad@formyfriends.org>
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will
not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to
want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't
fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in
particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just
something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
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Re: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

Debbie April Yuille
 

Are you saying that JAWS does read the start search entries. I was under the
impression that it didn't read them.

Thanks
Debbie

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Sent: Monday, 10 August 2015 8:10 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Kimsan <kimsansong@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

I down arrow to list the results.
I think it would be annoying if jaws read hundreds of results
automatically...

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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 11:34 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@icloud.com>
Subject: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

Dear List,



I wanted to let you all know that the latest version of WindowEyes (9.2.1)
does read search results automatically in Windows 10. So, if you have
Office 2010 or later, you can take advantage of this by installing
WindowEyes for Office users, at least until FS releases a fix.



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Re: submitting tickets to Zendesk sites

Brad Martin
 

Brent,

I'm afraid I'm not going to be any help to you. After I sent my previous message, it occurred to me (derf dederf derf) that I could access what I needed at home as easily as at work. We do use a vendor that uses Zendesk, but there are no dropdowns on their portal. There's an edit field for Subject, and edit field for Description, and an edit field for the name of the organization for which we work. Then there's a browse button in case we need to attach any files to the request, and then a submit button. So apparently the vendor doesn't use any categories. The last time I used Zendesk with a different vendor, we did have categories to select, but it wasn't a problem in 2011-2012. But I no longer have access to that instance of Zendesk. I suspect you're suffering from a move to a mobile friendly platform for Zendesk, which often breaks accessibility.

Sorry not to be of more help.

Brad

On 8/9/2015 3:39 PM, Brent Harding via Jfw wrote:
I need to submit a ticket to a site that uses Zendesk. However, whether I use JFW with Chrome or Firefox, or even try to do it on my phone with iOS, I can't get past the drop down boxes to select the category. They don't identify as any link or combo box for me to use them, and turning virtual cursor off lands me on the wrong category most of the time. Apple and Uber are just two examples of sites that use this. How can I get my ticket submitted?

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Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

That might help me get better acquainted with these ribbons.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 8:11 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Carolyn,
Initially you arrow and tab around until you find what you want, but as you
do Jaws is announcing the keystrokes for the particular items. Then when you
want to go there the next time you just press the keystroke.
You can press alt to go to the upper ribbon, arrow left or right to go to
the view menu, and tab until you come to the current view dialog, or you can
press alt, V, C, V. Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: August-09-15 4:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

So, if we take the check off the virtual ribbon, how do we navigate for
ribbon information?

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 6:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les. The argument for not unchecking the Virtual Ribbon is this:
JAWS put in the "Virtual Ribbon" for those who wanted to manually navigate
the ribbons using the arrows and the Tab key. It is supposed to make the
menus more accessible, but I haven't found this to be true in most
instances.

Brad was saying that people may say to uncheck the Virtual Ribbon without
telling the person the down side of unchecking the Virtual Ribbon. This may
be true. However, some of the techs at FS tell you to check the Virtual
Ribbon, without telling you that this blocks the function of some of the
shortcuts.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Okay, what are the consequences of unchecking the use of ribbons? I
followed Bill's instructions to uncheck it, and the shortcut keys are
easier to use, but I would like to know the argument for not doing
this. If it matters, I'm running Outlook 2013 with Jaws 16. Thanks.

Les

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 3:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Yes, but some people may want to stay with the virtual ribbon, which
is the FS attempt to make ribbon navigation easier for visually
impaired users.
Personally, I stayed with the regular ribbon, which is fine once you
get used to it. All I'm saying is that people considering unchecking
this option need to be aware of the consequences.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

To check your settings for the Virtual Ribbon Menu in JAWS:

Press JAWS KEY plus F2. Arrow down to Settings Center and press Enter.
Press the letter M until it says Miscellaneous. Press Right Arrow to
Open Miscellaneous.

Arrow down to Virtual Ribbon Menu. It will probably tell you that this
setting is unavailable except in the default configuration of JAWS.

To load the default configuration: Press Shift plus Control plus the
letter D as in dog.

Once your default configuration is loaded, you can Press the Up and
Down Arrow to see if your Virtual Ribbon Menu is checked or not. You
want it to be unchecked if you want all of the keyboard shortcuts to
work
properly.
If
it is checked, press the Space Bar to uncheck it. Then Tab to OK and
press Enter to save these settings.

I hope this helps you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:33 PM
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Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the
Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration
Menu?

This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option
under Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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From: "Les Kriegler via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having. I press Alt-V
followed by C and V and hear nothing. Tabbing yields a blank area
which Jaws speaks.

Les

-----Original Message-----
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Hourigan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up
"Current view group box", with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
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Barbara Hansen via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@embarqmail.com>
Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion
to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The
suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the
ribbons menu and enter on the "view" menu, nothing happens. It just
says "blank". I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
"blank".



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Oh, I can see that once I knew the keystrokes, that would be way better. I
have some written from 2010 and think they will probably work on 2013.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 8:03 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Les,
I presume you mean unchecking the use of the virtual ribbon. Some people
prefer to use the virtual ribbon and keyboard around through the various
sections of the ribbons viewing all of the available options. The virtual
ribbon is quite useful when one is first acquainting themselves with the
features on the ribbon, and Jaws is announcing the keystrokes for the
various features as well. But once one is familiar with what is there, and
has memorized the keystrokes for what they want done, it is simpler and
quicker to use the keystroke rather than arrowing and tabbing all over the
place, "Short term pain for long term gain". It is one's personal preference

Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
via Jfw
Sent: August-09-15 3:15 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Les Kriegler <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Okay, what are the consequences of unchecking the use of ribbons? I
followed Bill's instructions to uncheck it, and the shortcut keys are easier
to use, but I would like to know the argument for not doing this. If it
matters, I'm running Outlook 2013 with Jaws 16. Thanks.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 3:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Yes, but some people may want to stay with the virtual ribbon, which is the
FS attempt to make ribbon navigation easier for visually impaired users.
Personally, I stayed with the regular ribbon, which is fine once you get
used to it. All I'm saying is that people considering unchecking this option
need to be aware of the consequences.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

To check your settings for the Virtual Ribbon Menu in JAWS:

Press JAWS KEY plus F2. Arrow down to Settings Center and press Enter.
Press the letter M until it says Miscellaneous. Press Right Arrow to Open
Miscellaneous.

Arrow down to Virtual Ribbon Menu. It will probably tell you that this
setting is unavailable except in the default configuration of JAWS.

To load the default configuration: Press Shift plus Control plus the letter
D as in dog.

Once your default configuration is loaded, you can Press the Up and Down
Arrow to see if your Virtual Ribbon Menu is checked or not. You want it to
be unchecked if you want all of the keyboard shortcuts to work properly. If
it is checked, press the Space Bar to uncheck it. Then Tab to OK and press
Enter to save these settings.

I hope this helps you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the
Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration
Menu?

This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option
under Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having. I press Alt-V
followed by C and V and hear nothing. Tabbing yields a blank area
which Jaws speaks.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Hourigan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up
"Current view group box", with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara
Hansen via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@embarqmail.com>
Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion
to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The
suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the
ribbons menu and enter on the "view" menu, nothing happens. It just
says "blank". I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
"blank".



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Thanks. That is what I've been doing, seems maybe a little slow, a little
clumsy, but probably the more I do it, the more I'll get used to it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:44 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

If you are using the virtual ribbon, you can press alt, left or right arrow
to view, and then tab around until you come across the current view.
Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: August-09-15 11:30 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the Virtual
Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration Menu?

This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option under
Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Kriegler via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having. I press Alt-V followed
by C and V and hear nothing. Tabbing yields a blank area which Jaws
speaks.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Hourigan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up "Current
view group box", with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara
Hansen via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@embarqmail.com>
Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion
to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The
suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the
ribbons menu and enter on the "view" menu, nothing happens. It just
says "blank". I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
"blank".



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

So, Bill, if I lose JAWS instructions, I might not know what I'm doing or
where I am?

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Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:13 PM
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Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Carolyn. You can either use the shortcuts, or you can use the arrow keys
plus the tab key to navigate the ribbon. You just lose some of the JAWS
instructions while navigating.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:03 PM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


So, if we take the check off the virtual ribbon, how do we navigate
for ribbon information?

Carolyn


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 6:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les. The argument for not unchecking the Virtual Ribbon is this:
JAWS put in the "Virtual Ribbon" for those who wanted to manually
navigate the ribbons using the arrows and the Tab key. It is supposed
to make the menus more accessible, but I haven't found this to be true
in most instances.

Brad was saying that people may say to uncheck the Virtual Ribbon
without telling the person the down side of unchecking the Virtual
Ribbon. This may be true. However, some of the techs at FS tell you to
check the Virtual Ribbon, without telling you that this blocks the
function of some of the shortcuts.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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From: "Les Kriegler via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Okay, what are the consequences of unchecking the use of ribbons? I
followed Bill's instructions to uncheck it, and the shortcut keys are
easier to use, but I would like to know the argument for not doing
this. If it matters, I'm running Outlook 2013 with Jaws 16. Thanks.

Les

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 3:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Yes, but some people may want to stay with the virtual ribbon, which
is the FS attempt to make ribbon navigation easier for visually
impaired users.
Personally, I stayed with the regular ribbon, which is fine once you
get used to it. All I'm saying is that people considering unchecking
this option need to be aware of the consequences.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

To check your settings for the Virtual Ribbon Menu in JAWS:

Press JAWS KEY plus F2. Arrow down to Settings Center and press Enter.
Press the letter M until it says Miscellaneous. Press Right Arrow to
Open Miscellaneous.

Arrow down to Virtual Ribbon Menu. It will probably tell you that
this setting is unavailable except in the default configuration of JAWS.

To load the default configuration: Press Shift plus Control plus the
letter D as in dog.

Once your default configuration is loaded, you can Press the Up and
Down Arrow to see if your Virtual Ribbon Menu is checked or not. You
want it to be unchecked if you want all of the keyboard shortcuts to
work
properly.
If
it is checked, press the Space Bar to uncheck it. Then Tab to OK and
press Enter to save these settings.

I hope this helps you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the
Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration
Menu?

This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option
under Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Kriegler via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having. I press Alt-V
followed by C and V and hear nothing. Tabbing yields a blank area
which Jaws speaks.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Hourigan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013,
and pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up
"Current view group box", with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Barbara Hansen via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@embarqmail.com>
Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the
suggestion to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this.
The suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up
the ribbons menu and enter on the "view" menu, nothing happens. It
just says "blank". I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
"blank".



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Gary King
 

The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground. I don't think the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister though. Just good old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant position.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this, um, adage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand
feeder.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the
end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting
for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first
rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Brad Martin" <brad@formyfriends.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and
I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
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Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Hello Carolyn,
Initially you arrow and tab around until you find what you want, but as you
do Jaws is announcing the keystrokes for the particular items. Then when you
want to go there the next time you just press the keystroke.
You can press alt to go to the upper ribbon, arrow left or right to go to
the view menu, and tab until you come to the current view dialog, or you can
press alt, V, C, V. Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: August-09-15 4:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

So, if we take the check off the virtual ribbon, how do we navigate for
ribbon information?

Carolyn


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 6:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les. The argument for not unchecking the Virtual Ribbon is this:
JAWS put in the "Virtual Ribbon" for those who wanted to manually navigate
the ribbons using the arrows and the Tab key. It is supposed to make the
menus more accessible, but I haven't found this to be true in most
instances.

Brad was saying that people may say to uncheck the Virtual Ribbon without
telling the person the down side of unchecking the Virtual Ribbon. This may
be true. However, some of the techs at FS tell you to check the Virtual
Ribbon, without telling you that this blocks the function of some of the
shortcuts.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Okay, what are the consequences of unchecking the use of ribbons? I
followed Bill's instructions to uncheck it, and the shortcut keys are
easier to use, but I would like to know the argument for not doing
this. If it matters, I'm running Outlook 2013 with Jaws 16. Thanks.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 3:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Yes, but some people may want to stay with the virtual ribbon, which
is the FS attempt to make ribbon navigation easier for visually
impaired users.
Personally, I stayed with the regular ribbon, which is fine once you
get used to it. All I'm saying is that people considering unchecking
this option need to be aware of the consequences.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

To check your settings for the Virtual Ribbon Menu in JAWS:

Press JAWS KEY plus F2. Arrow down to Settings Center and press Enter.
Press the letter M until it says Miscellaneous. Press Right Arrow to
Open Miscellaneous.

Arrow down to Virtual Ribbon Menu. It will probably tell you that this
setting is unavailable except in the default configuration of JAWS.

To load the default configuration: Press Shift plus Control plus the
letter D as in dog.

Once your default configuration is loaded, you can Press the Up and
Down Arrow to see if your Virtual Ribbon Menu is checked or not. You
want it to be unchecked if you want all of the keyboard shortcuts to
work
properly.
If
it is checked, press the Space Bar to uncheck it. Then Tab to OK and
press Enter to save these settings.

I hope this helps you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the
Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration
Menu?

This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option
under Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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From: "Les Kriegler via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Les Kriegler" <kriegler@nycap.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010


Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having. I press Alt-V
followed by C and V and hear nothing. Tabbing yields a blank area
which Jaws speaks.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Hourigan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up
"Current view group box", with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Barbara Hansen via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@embarqmail.com>
Subject: changing the "view" in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion
to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The
suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the
ribbons menu and enter on the "view" menu, nothing happens. It just
says "blank". I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
"blank".



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Gary King
 

Bill,
I don't think I'll be upgrading my current Windows 7 computer to Windows 10 in 2020. It will be 9 years old by then if it's still running. I'll just buy a shiny new computer with Windows 10, or whatever is the latest operating system, already installed. If I had a relatively new computer running Windows 8 or 8.1 though, I would probably take advantage of the free Windows 10 upgrade.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill White via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Bill White" <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade, Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Martin via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Brad Martin" <brad@formyfriends.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
Brad Martin
brad@formyfriends.org <mailto:brad@formyfriends.org>
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