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Re: printer accessibility

Adrian Spratt
 

Stan,

Make sure you read Brad's very positive message from last night about his Brother model. I have the basic Brother laser jet printer, Brother HL-2270DW Compact, which I purchased from Amazon. The customer reviews there gave me tips that helped accessibility, even though they weren't directed to a visually impaired audience. The one I remember is that when the printer cartridge appears to be dying, press the start button seven times rapidly in succession to get more life out of it. I do find installing a new cartridge difficult without sighted assistance, but it's doable. With a laser printer, the need to replace cartridges is much less frequent than you will have found it with an ink jet model. Even though the price of laser cartridges is higher, they last so much longer that I suspect they're cheaper over time.

Others have posted positive experiences with HP printers. I had one for years, and it was a workhorse. However, when it finally met its maker, I replaced it with an HP 1102, the newer version of my old model. This 1102 had several problems. For one thing, the laser cartridges didn't last nearly as long. More important, pages printed out with defects, such as random lines down the middle. I called HP's customer service, but they required that I work with them in a process that would require sighted assistance. I couldn't have anyone sit with me through such a long, drawn-out procedure. Then I learned about HP's number for disabled customers. Others here have reported positive experiences with this department. Mine was aggravating in the extreme. I was on hold for more than seventy minutes before someone answered the first time I called. As I spoke to the rep, I became convinced I needed a replacement. I must have been out of warranty at that point, although I hadn't had the printer for the length of time I'd have expected, so I bought a new 1102. Almost immediately I experienced the same problems with page quality. Once again I called the line for disabled customers, and I was kept on hold for so long that I decided to say farewell to HP and hello to Brother.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Stan Holdeman via Jfw
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:52 AM
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Subject: printer accessibility

It is time for me to replace my HP 3915 ink jet printer. I suspect that just about any wireless, color, stand alone printer out there will meet my modest demands for quality and speed.

My concern is accessibility. Can I assume that HP, Epson, Brother printers are accessible for routine printing purposes? Should I be warned off of something?

My screen reader is Jaws 16.

Thanks for your help.
Stan
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Re: Scanners.

toml614 <toml614@...>
 

I agree the Pearl is very quick. I carry it every where I bring my computer. I stick it in my book bag it lives there until I need it.

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On Jun 26, 2015 6:54 AM, Londa Peterson via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote:

Expensive but worth every penny in my opinion. This is especially true if you want to scan books. It's much faster with the camera. A book that used to take 2 or 3 hours with a scanner takes about an hour with the Pearl camera. It scans about as fast as you can turn the pages. Scanners with document feeders are nice for lots of individual pages, but you can't do books with them unless you cut the book apart. I highly dislike desicrating books in this way, so the camera is a must for me now.

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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: Scanners.

Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well.   It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR. Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner).  OpenBook is not a
scanner.  Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner.  While such products work great for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be operated
nonvisually.  For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer.  That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it.  I also recommend scanners with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next, I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: printer accessibility

Gerald Levy
 

No, you cannot assume that any new printer you are interested in will be accessible. This is because many current printers, especially all-in-one models that include scanner, copier and fax capabilities have a display screen which requires navigating menu options to select the function you want to perform, which, in most cases, requires sighted help.
Gerald

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Subject: printer accessibility


It is time for me to replace my HP 3915 ink jet printer. I suspect that just about any wireless, color, stand alone printer out there will meet my modest demands for quality and speed.

My concern is accessibility. Can I assume that HP, Epson, Brother printers are accessible for routine printing purposes? Should I be warned off of something?

My screen reader is Jaws 16.

Thanks for your help.
Stan
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printer accessibility

Stan Holdeman
 

It is time for me to replace my HP 3915 ink jet printer. I suspect that just about any wireless, color, stand alone printer out there will meet my modest demands for quality and speed.

My concern is accessibility. Can I assume that HP, Epson, Brother printers are accessible for routine printing purposes? Should I be warned off of something?

My screen reader is Jaws 16.

Thanks for your help.
Stan
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Re: Jaws 16 issue with touch screen at login

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

Hello Ed,
What does your wife look like, lol.
I wonder if this is a similar issue with captcha challenges and web visum. I get the answer to the challenge from web visum, paste it in what I think is the correct edit field, and nothing.
Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Marquette via Jfw
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 12:59 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Ed Marquette
Subject: RE: Jaws 16 issue with touch screen at login

Russel:
This has happened to me a couple of times. My sighted wife happened to be with me both times. I do not have a fool-proof solution, but my description of what is happening on the screen has inspired a couple of ideas of my own and may stimulate ideas from the other very knowledgeable people on this list.
My wife said it was as though the cursor was not in the password box. By cursor, I'm pretty sure she means the mouse pointer. Like most sighted users, she doesn't know the difference between the mouse pointer and the cursor. Anyway, she maneuvers the mouse pointer (using the touch pad and not the screen) to the password box, clicks the mouse once, and then asks me to type in the password. That has solved the problem every time.
I could loan you my sighted wife, but there are probably other, less inconvenient solutions.
You might try turning on the JAWS cursor and navigating to the password box. When there, do a simulated single mouse click.
If that doesn't work, you might try actually turning on the touch cursor. That is shift plus JAWS key plus semicolon. That should make your touch gestures perform better, but it sounds like that is working anyway.
Probably the best solution is to experiment while a sighted person is present. I'll do that, and if you do too, perhaps we'll find a solution. I'll post my discovery, if I find one.
I've had my Yoga since the first day Windows 8 was released, and this has happened only twice, but it was frustrating, and without sighted assistance, it would have been maddening.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:25 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Jaws 16 issue with touch screen at login

Hi everyone,

I am running Jaws 16 on a Lenovo Yoga Pro2 laptop. It has a touch screen, which I hardly ever use. I am running into an issue when my laptop goes to sleep. It goes to the Windows lockscreen. In the past all I had to do was press the power button on my laptop and I would be taken to the Windows lock screen where I could simply tab to the password field, enter my password, and I’d be right where I left off when my laptop went to sleep.

Now, however, every time my laptop goes to sleep, when I press the power button nothing seems to happen. If I touch the screen though, Jaws is running and I can swipe to the various choices, i.e. password, shutdown, etc. but I cannot do anything. Double-tapping on the password field does nothing. Double-tapping on the shutdown button does nothing. And, nothing happens when I try to use the keyboard. It’s as if Jaws is in touch screen mode and the keyboard is not at all active. I called FS, and the guy there didn’t have a clue as to what to do. He suggested that I turn off the lock screen. I may do this, but at the moment I cannot get in to Windows at all. I press and hold the power button to turn off my laptop, but, when I turn it on, nothing happens… not evenwhen I touch the screen.

So, my question… is there a keystroke I may have accidentally pressed to put Jaws in some sort of touch screen mode?

Thanks for any and all ideas!

Russell
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Re: Maintaining Focus in Same Window

Rahul Bajaj
 

Hi,

Thanks for your response. Let me try articulating my problem more clearly: say, for example, I open Firefox and go to a news article of my liking. While I am reading that long article, I suddenly remember that there is something that I need to search for right away, so instead of exiting the webpage containing the news article, I open firefox again and open the webpage that I need to get to asap. Now while said webpage is loading, I press alt-tab to get back to my news article. My question is this: how do I ensure that the focus doesn't automatically shift to the page that's being loaded as soon as it gets loaded but continues to remain on the news article until I voluntarily choose to do an alt-tab to get to that page? Simply put, how do I prevent jaws from involuntarily jumping from one window to another -- a task which I would otherwise perform through alt-tab on my own choosing?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 26, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote:

Rahul,

I'm trying to understand the problem you're describing. I'll say back to you what I think I understand so you can correct me and make your question clearer for list members.

You're on a Google search results page that you've created. You find an item that interests you, so you click on it. However, you don't want to read that item right away. Instead, you want to continue reading the results page. Is that the issue?

What I do with Google results pages is click on any item in the results with shift-enter. This way a new window opens and keeps my results page open. If I don't want to read that item at that moment, I press the control key to quiet the new page as it loads, and then alt-tab back to the results page.

Does that help at all?
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 3:28 AM
To: jfw@...
Cc: Rahul Bajaj
Subject: Maintaining Focus in Same Window

Hello Everyone,

I hope this message finds you well. When Iuse multiple webpages
simultaneously, the focus frequently shifts from the page that I am on
to the recently loaded page. For example, if I am searching for
something on Google and I click on a news story that's being loaded in
another window, the focus shifts from the search result page to the
news story as soon as the story gets fully loaded, thereby disrupting
my work. How can I ensure that this does not happen? I know there must
be some setting tucked away somewhere to do this, but I can't seem to
find it.
Any help would be welcome.

Best,
Rahul

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Re: Scanners.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Adrian, that is a point well taken. With my new equipment, I will get PDF and Adobe, so might not have the difficulty with the brokerage account that I have had with this antiquated system. Thank you for bring that to my attention. The Brothers Unit does sound like an excellent one for many purposes.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:18 PM
Subject: RE: Scanners.


Carolyn,

Regarding brokerage reports, others may have different experiences (Brad's post implies he does, and I hope he'll follow up), but I've never been happy with scanned-in tables of the relative complexity involved with investments. Instead, I use the documents online at my brokerage's website. Whenever I can get a document from the source, I do so because it saves an intermediary step that could cause new errors to creep in.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners.

Pictures into the computer would be nice for my husband. My primary need
would be like to scan the little directory of our church or my brokerage
account reports, which are several pages.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


I’m not sure about scanning pictures with the Pearl. Dan is right… the
Pearl and OpenBook do have limitations… it all depends on what you wish to
do. For me, I mostly use my iMac with a Canon MG6200 printer/scanner combo
and it works very well. But, when I have a lot of mail to scan, I’ll fire
up my laptop running Windows 8.1 and use my Pearl and Openbook to scan the
mail because it’s so fast.

I’ve had good success with inexpensive flatbed scanners on my Windows
machine, for example, a Canon, can’t recall the model, that I paid $80
for. I used OmniPage Pro to do the OCR.

So there are many choices, and, if you need to scan pictures and print
then a 3-in-1 combo may be what you need.

Thanks,

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
<jfw@...> wrote:

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn

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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s
a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really
well. It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the
OCR. Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being
read to you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5
years ago the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think
FS has a combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite
expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@...> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need
to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and
software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great
for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be
operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from
a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three
pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners
with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next,
I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out
there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting
that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

That sounds like the answer I am seeking. I have two-sided documents that I need read from time to time. He, being the graphic artist can have a picture scanning grand time, and especially if they can be e-mailed to his network of buddies.

Thank you, Brad. This one will be a keeper as a reminder over time. I have just about decided to purchase my new equipment in early January - give 10 a chance to be adjusted and hope I might find a better deal after the holidays. Thanks again.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Carolyn,

After reading the rest of my mail and seeing your other questions, I'll add to what I wrote previously.

The Brother MFC-L2740DW will scan photos, and you can do it yourself with JAWS. Of course, you would have to be able to see to crop the photos or edit them, but scanning them into your computer shouldn't be an issue. Paperport would allow you to scan directories and statements with what I think would be decent results, and you could have that scan saved into a text file or a Word document. Although it only prints and copies in black and white, it will scan in color. It has both a flat bed (a glass surface where you can lay a sheet of paper to be scanned) and a document feeder that can accept up to 35 pages. Again, it can also scan the front and back of a page in a single pass, but you must use the document feeder to do that, not the glass.

The lovely thing about this for you is that it is networkable. So you could use it wirelessly. Once you get it onto your wireless network, you and your husband could both use it without having to move a cable from one computer to the other. I want to think you can register up to five computers with the scanner.

There are a couple of things this device will do where you would need sighted assistance. For instance, from the touch screen on the device, you can scan something and have the scanner Email it to you. You can also copy documents without having to use the computer if you can see the touch screen, and you can scan a document and have it sent to your computer from the touch screen. However, keep in mind that you can scan documents to your computer from the Control Center software on your computer, and from that same software you can ask the scanner to make copies.

The only thing I can't seem to do from my computer is Email the file in a single step. I have to scan the document to my computer, then attach it to an Email myself. I'm supposed to be able to scan a document from the computer and have it open my Email program automatically, but I use Thunderbird, and I have not been successful at making this happen.

Everything I've told you that I have been able to do, I've done with JAWS 15 and Windows 7. I haven't needed sighted assistance except for programming the device to connect to my wireless network. I'm really thrilled with my purchase. I was most concerned that JAWS wouldn't read the Control Center 4 software, but once I got used to it, I can use every bit of it.

Brad

On 6/25/2015 9:30 PM, Brad Martin via Jfw wrote:
Carolyn,

You may recall that I asked a similar question a few months ago. I was looking at Brother printer/scanner/copier/fax machines, and I wondered how accessible the software would be for me. I use JAWS 15 and Windows 7 Pro.

Let me say that I didn't need color, so I bought a brother laser printer/all in one. I love it. My main concern when I posed my original question was whether or not JAWS worked with Brother's Control Center 4 software. It does, and from it I can scan and copy, and I can configure the printer myself without sighted assistance. I did have help getting the computer on my network from someone who could program it the way I wanted it, because my computer couldn't read the printer's screen until it could see the printer, which meant getting the printer on my network. It also came with Paperport for scanning documents as text. I haven't scanned much, but I did have a sheet of paper sitting on my desk, and I had no idea what it was. Popped it in the scanner, ran it through, and found out it was an expired Outback coupon. It did make a couple of errors reading the characters--it thought a / was a 1 for instance. But I was pretty happy with it for my purposes, and the software worked with JAWS just fine.

Incidentally, I bought the Brother MFC-L2740DW. I chose it because it can read both sides of a document at once. So if I scan something blank side up, I'll still get the other side when it scans "the back." A good price for it from Amazon is around $189, although right now they're asking quite a bit more for it. It will probably come back down in a week or two.

I've never used specialized software like OpenBook, so I don't have any experience with them. What I have works for my purposes.

Hope that helps,
Brad


On 6/25/2015 2:49 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw wrote:
When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next, I intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out there more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting that or something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners., and open book

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Dave, since I am getting a desktop and will not be using the computer otherwise, I lean toward the Epson, if it can work for me. I plan to invest heavily in a computer, want to get the biggest one that I can, try to get ten years out of the thing. I know that sounds far fetched these days, but I'll try, and you know, I think I can!

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


Carolyn,

Heed my earlier post. The Pearl camera is designed to work with Openbook,
and Openbook only. You cannot get it to work with other software
applications to scan in photos, etc. I recommend you stick to a mainstream
scanner, whether a standalone flatbed or the one Adrian recommends or a
3-in-1 unit. If a 3-in-1 I would steer toward Epson.

I have a standalone flatbed scanner Epson GT2500, which is a pretty large
workhorse scanner, and a Pearl camera for Openbook.

The one advantage to the Pearl is that I can pack it up and carry with my
laptop to meetings and scan in place any document handouts. Maybe Adrian's
scanner can do the same -- he could comment on portability.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


Thank you; I do have their phone number.

What is the advantage to getting them as opposed to whatever else is out
there?

Thank you.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: <roydubriel@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


To the subscriber to this list and is struggling whether to buy three,two
or one unit,read what I just wrote: I have Openbook 9.I also have the
Perl camera. Open book and the camera will cost you about $1,500,if not
more.At the convention you will save some money on the Pearl and Open book
if bought as a package next wee,. If you wish better info,please
phone:FreedomScientific .If one of you recall their phone number,please
post it so that whoever wishes to buy Open book or the Pearl can phone
FreedomScientific .

roy Dubriel
Roy Dubriel
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners.

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s
a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well.
It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR.
Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to
you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago
the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a
combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@...> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need
to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and
software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great
for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be
operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three
pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners
with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next,
I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out
there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting
that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Maintaining Focus in Same Window

Adrian Spratt
 

Rahul,

I'm trying to understand the problem you're describing. I'll say back to you what I think I understand so you can correct me and make your question clearer for list members.

You're on a Google search results page that you've created. You find an item that interests you, so you click on it. However, you don't want to read that item right away. Instead, you want to continue reading the results page. Is that the issue?

What I do with Google results pages is click on any item in the results with shift-enter. This way a new window opens and keeps my results page open. If I don't want to read that item at that moment, I press the control key to quiet the new page as it loads, and then alt-tab back to the results page.

Does that help at all?

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Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 3:28 AM
To: jfw@...
Cc: Rahul Bajaj
Subject: Maintaining Focus in Same Window

Hello Everyone,

I hope this message finds you well. When Iuse multiple webpages
simultaneously, the focus frequently shifts from the page that I am on
to the recently loaded page. For example, if I am searching for
something on Google and I click on a news story that's being loaded in
another window, the focus shifts from the search result page to the
news story as soon as the story gets fully loaded, thereby disrupting
my work. How can I ensure that this does not happen? I know there must
be some setting tucked away somewhere to do this, but I can't seem to
find it.
Any help would be welcome.

Best,
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Re: Scanners., and open book

Londa Peterson
 

For me the advantages are speed and accuracy. I had used nothing but mainstream off-the-shelf scanning solutions for years, but then I started having serious problems with them. The biggest problem is that Omnipage would really mess up the columns no matter how I set it to handle them. It would give me a section from one column and then a section from the other one. I was forever cutting and pasting to get my documents in the right order. Also, if I put two pages across the scanner, it would cut off the second column of the second page. This happened even though the pages fit on the scanner. After much frustration and searching the Internet for solutions, I turned to blindness specific products. I decided that it just shouldn't be this hard. I can't do pictures with the Pearl, but we have an all-in-one machine for that. A decent all-in-one is not that expensive, so maybe you could do both. I know others have had better luck with off-the-shelf scanning software, so I'm sure there will be plenty of help if you decide to go that way. I just got tired of the frustrations and variations in accessibility and said "Enough's enough." At this point I'd have to have a really compelling reason to return to off-the-shelf software for my own personal use. I don't have that at this point, so I won't risk the frustration anymore. It's just not worth it to me. I'd rather spend my time getting the work done.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:40 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book

Thank you; I do have their phone number.

What is the advantage to getting them as opposed to whatever else is out
there?

Thank you.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: <roydubriel@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


To the subscriber to this list and is struggling whether to buy three,two
or one unit,read what I just wrote: I have Openbook 9.I also have the
Perl camera. Open book and the camera will cost you about $1,500,if not
more.At the convention you will save some money on the Pearl and Open book
if bought as a package next wee,. If you wish better info,please
phone:FreedomScientific .If one of you recall their phone number,please
post it so that whoever wishes to buy Open book or the Pearl can phone
FreedomScientific .

roy Dubriel
Roy Dubriel
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners.

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn

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From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s
a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well.
It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR.
Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to
you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago
the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a
combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@...> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need
to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and
software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great
for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be
operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three
pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners
with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next,
I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out
there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting
that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners.

Brad Martin
 

Oh, no, Adrian is correct. In fact, I just got this scanner, and it's my first one. I suspect scanning things in columns would be tricky to read. But most of those things are available online now, and you're going to get a cleaner, error free, result taking those documents straight from the source. Adrian is 100% right there.

Brad

On 6/25/2015 10:18 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:
Carolyn,

Regarding brokerage reports, others may have different experiences (Brad's post implies he does, and I hope he'll follow up), but I've never been happy with scanned-in tables of the relative complexity involved with investments. Instead, I use the documents online at my brokerage's website. Whenever I can get a document from the source, I do so because it saves an intermediary step that could cause new errors to creep in.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners.

Pictures into the computer would be nice for my husband. My primary need
would be like to scan the little directory of our church or my brokerage
account reports, which are several pages.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


I’m not sure about scanning pictures with the Pearl. Dan is right… the
Pearl and OpenBook do have limitations… it all depends on what you wish to
do. For me, I mostly use my iMac with a Canon MG6200 printer/scanner combo
and it works very well. But, when I have a lot of mail to scan, I’ll fire
up my laptop running Windows 8.1 and use my Pearl and Openbook to scan the
mail because it’s so fast.

I’ve had good success with inexpensive flatbed scanners on my Windows
machine, for example, a Canon, can’t recall the model, that I paid $80
for. I used OmniPage Pro to do the OCR.

So there are many choices, and, if you need to scan pictures and print
then a 3-in-1 combo may be what you need.

Thanks,

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
<jfw@...> wrote:

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn

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<jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s
a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really
well. It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the
OCR. Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being
read to you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5
years ago the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think
FS has a combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite
expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@...> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need
to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and
software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great
for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be
operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from
a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three
pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners
with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next,
I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out
there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting
that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners.

Londa Peterson
 

Expensive but worth every penny in my opinion. This is especially true if you want to scan books. It's much faster with the camera. A book that used to take 2 or 3 hours with a scanner takes about an hour with the Pearl camera. It scans about as fast as you can turn the pages. Scanners with document feeders are nice for lots of individual pages, but you can't do books with them unless you cut the book apart. I highly dislike desicrating books in this way, so the camera is a must for me now.

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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: Scanners.

Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well. It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR. Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next, I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Jaws 16 issue with touch screen at login

Ed Marquette <marquette.ed@...>
 

Russel:
This has happened to me a couple of times. My sighted wife happened to be with me both times. I do not have a fool-proof solution, but my description of what is happening on the screen has inspired a couple of ideas of my own and may stimulate ideas from the other very knowledgeable people on this list.
My wife said it was as though the cursor was not in the password box. By cursor, I'm pretty sure she means the mouse pointer. Like most sighted users, she doesn't know the difference between the mouse pointer and the cursor. Anyway, she maneuvers the mouse pointer (using the touch pad and not the screen) to the password box, clicks the mouse once, and then asks me to type in the password. That has solved the problem every time.
I could loan you my sighted wife, but there are probably other, less inconvenient solutions.
You might try turning on the JAWS cursor and navigating to the password box. When there, do a simulated single mouse click.
If that doesn't work, you might try actually turning on the touch cursor. That is shift plus JAWS key plus semicolon. That should make your touch gestures perform better, but it sounds like that is working anyway.
Probably the best solution is to experiment while a sighted person is present. I'll do that, and if you do too, perhaps we'll find a solution. I'll post my discovery, if I find one.
I've had my Yoga since the first day Windows 8 was released, and this has happened only twice, but it was frustrating, and without sighted assistance, it would have been maddening.

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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:25 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Jaws 16 issue with touch screen at login

Hi everyone,

I am running Jaws 16 on a Lenovo Yoga Pro2 laptop. It has a touch screen, which I hardly ever use. I am running into an issue when my laptop goes to sleep. It goes to the Windows lockscreen. In the past all I had to do was press the power button on my laptop and I would be taken to the Windows lock screen where I could simply tab to the password field, enter my password, and I’d be right where I left off when my laptop went to sleep.

Now, however, every time my laptop goes to sleep, when I press the power button nothing seems to happen. If I touch the screen though, Jaws is running and I can swipe to the various choices, i.e. password, shutdown, etc. but I cannot do anything. Double-tapping on the password field does nothing. Double-tapping on the shutdown button does nothing. And, nothing happens when I try to use the keyboard. It’s as if Jaws is in touch screen mode and the keyboard is not at all active. I called FS, and the guy there didn’t have a clue as to what to do. He suggested that I turn off the lock screen. I may do this, but at the moment I cannot get in to Windows at all. I press and hold the power button to turn off my laptop, but, when I turn it on, nothing happens… not evenwhen I touch the screen.

So, my question… is there a keystroke I may have accidentally pressed to put Jaws in some sort of touch screen mode?

Thanks for any and all ideas!

Russell
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Maintaining Focus in Same Window

Rahul Bajaj
 

Hello Everyone,

I hope this message finds you well. When Iuse multiple webpages
simultaneously, the focus frequently shifts from the page that I am on
to the recently loaded page. For example, if I am searching for
something on Google and I click on a news story that's being loaded in
another window, the focus shifts from the search result page to the
news story as soon as the story gets fully loaded, thereby disrupting
my work. How can I ensure that this does not happen? I know there must
be some setting tucked away somewhere to do this, but I can't seem to
find it.
Any help would be welcome.

Best,
Rahul


Re: need help with thunderbird

Hazel Darvell <witch.hazel66@...>
 

You could try shift and tab.
hHazel

On 25/06/2015 23:01, elayneh via Jfw wrote:
when using thunderbird I am having to tabb several times to move out of the mail message. what are the short cutto get out of mail after reading the message.
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Re: Scanners., and open book

Adrian Spratt
 

Dave,

Yes to your first question. As to your second, I plead ignorance, but I suspect your guess is correct. When I have a page ready to go under the Hovercam hardware, I press "y" on my keyboard, and almost instantaneously I'm asked if I want to scan another page or stop. The scan of that page is complete.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book

Adrian,

Okay, thanks for that clarification. As you have described it otherwise, it
appears to be compatible to work with mainstream scanning software, which
would make it superior to the Pearl camera in terms of flexibility.

Also since it is a "click" type scanner rather than a moving light bar, it's
very fast to capture the page image, like the Pearl camera, is that correct?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 08:11 PM
Subject: RE: Scanners., and open book


the Hovercam would be a little awkward to carry around. It connects to my PC
via a USB port, and all communication is done through my PC keyboard.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book

Carolyn,

Heed my earlier post. The Pearl camera is designed to work with Openbook,
and Openbook only. You cannot get it to work with other software
applications to scan in photos, etc. I recommend you stick to a mainstream
scanner, whether a standalone flatbed or the one Adrian recommends or a
3-in-1 unit. If a 3-in-1 I would steer toward Epson.

I have a standalone flatbed scanner Epson GT2500, which is a pretty large
workhorse scanner, and a Pearl camera for Openbook.

The one advantage to the Pearl is that I can pack it up and carry with my
laptop to meetings and scan in place any document handouts. Maybe Adrian's
scanner can do the same -- he could comment on portability.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 06:39 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


Thank you; I do have their phone number.

What is the advantage to getting them as opposed to whatever else is out
there?

Thank you.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy Dubriel via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: <roydubriel@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


To the subscriber to this list and is struggling whether to buy three,two
or one unit,read what I just wrote: I have Openbook 9.I also have the
Perl camera. Open book and the camera will cost you about $1,500,if not
more.At the convention you will save some money on the Pearl and Open book
if bought as a package next wee,. If you wish better info,please
phone:FreedomScientific .If one of you recall their phone number,please
post it so that whoever wishes to buy Open book or the Pearl can phone
FreedomScientific .

roy Dubriel
Roy Dubriel
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners.

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn

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From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s
a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well.
It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR.
Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to
you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago
the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a
combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@...> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need
to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and
software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great
for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be
operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three
pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners
with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next,
I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out
there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting
that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners.

Adrian Spratt
 

Carolyn,

Regarding brokerage reports, others may have different experiences (Brad's post implies he does, and I hope he'll follow up), but I've never been happy with scanned-in tables of the relative complexity involved with investments. Instead, I use the documents online at my brokerage's website. Whenever I can get a document from the source, I do so because it saves an intermediary step that could cause new errors to creep in.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners.

Pictures into the computer would be nice for my husband. My primary need
would be like to scan the little directory of our church or my brokerage
account reports, which are several pages.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


I’m not sure about scanning pictures with the Pearl. Dan is right… the
Pearl and OpenBook do have limitations… it all depends on what you wish to
do. For me, I mostly use my iMac with a Canon MG6200 printer/scanner combo
and it works very well. But, when I have a lot of mail to scan, I’ll fire
up my laptop running Windows 8.1 and use my Pearl and Openbook to scan the
mail because it’s so fast.

I’ve had good success with inexpensive flatbed scanners on my Windows
machine, for example, a Canon, can’t recall the model, that I paid $80
for. I used OmniPage Pro to do the OCR.

So there are many choices, and, if you need to scan pictures and print
then a 3-in-1 combo may be what you need.

Thanks,

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
<jfw@...> wrote:

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn

----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw"
<jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s
a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really
well. It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the
OCR. Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being
read to you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5
years ago the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think
FS has a combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite
expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@...> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need
to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and
software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great
for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be
operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from
a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three
pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners
with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next,
I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out
there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting
that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners., and open book

Dave...
 

Adrian,

Okay, thanks for that clarification. As you have described it otherwise, it
appears to be compatible to work with mainstream scanning software, which
would make it superior to the Pearl camera in terms of flexibility.

Also since it is a "click" type scanner rather than a moving light bar, it's
very fast to capture the page image, like the Pearl camera, is that correct?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 08:11 PM
Subject: RE: Scanners., and open book


the Hovercam would be a little awkward to carry around. It connects to my PC
via a USB port, and all communication is done through my PC keyboard.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book

Carolyn,

Heed my earlier post. The Pearl camera is designed to work with Openbook,
and Openbook only. You cannot get it to work with other software
applications to scan in photos, etc. I recommend you stick to a mainstream
scanner, whether a standalone flatbed or the one Adrian recommends or a
3-in-1 unit. If a 3-in-1 I would steer toward Epson.

I have a standalone flatbed scanner Epson GT2500, which is a pretty large
workhorse scanner, and a Pearl camera for Openbook.

The one advantage to the Pearl is that I can pack it up and carry with my
laptop to meetings and scan in place any document handouts. Maybe Adrian's
scanner can do the same -- he could comment on portability.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 06:39 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


Thank you; I do have their phone number.

What is the advantage to getting them as opposed to whatever else is out
there?

Thank you.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy Dubriel via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: <roydubriel@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


To the subscriber to this list and is struggling whether to buy three,two
or one unit,read what I just wrote: I have Openbook 9.I also have the
Perl camera. Open book and the camera will cost you about $1,500,if not
more.At the convention you will save some money on the Pearl and Open book
if bought as a package next wee,. If you wish better info,please
phone:FreedomScientific .If one of you recall their phone number,please
post it so that whoever wishes to buy Open book or the Pearl can phone
FreedomScientific .

roy Dubriel
Roy Dubriel
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners.

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s
a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well.
It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR.
Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to
you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago
the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a
combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@...> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need
to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and
software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great
for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be
operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three
pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners
with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next,
I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out
there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting
that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners., and open book

Adrian Spratt
 

the Hovercam would be a little awkward to carry around. It connects to my PC via a USB port, and all communication is done through my PC keyboard.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book

Carolyn,

Heed my earlier post. The Pearl camera is designed to work with Openbook,
and Openbook only. You cannot get it to work with other software
applications to scan in photos, etc. I recommend you stick to a mainstream
scanner, whether a standalone flatbed or the one Adrian recommends or a
3-in-1 unit. If a 3-in-1 I would steer toward Epson.

I have a standalone flatbed scanner Epson GT2500, which is a pretty large
workhorse scanner, and a Pearl camera for Openbook.

The one advantage to the Pearl is that I can pack it up and carry with my
laptop to meetings and scan in place any document handouts. Maybe Adrian's
scanner can do the same -- he could comment on portability.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 06:39 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


Thank you; I do have their phone number.

What is the advantage to getting them as opposed to whatever else is out
there?

Thank you.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy Dubriel via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: <roydubriel@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


To the subscriber to this list and is struggling whether to buy three,two
or one unit,read what I just wrote: I have Openbook 9.I also have the
Perl camera. Open book and the camera will cost you about $1,500,if not
more.At the convention you will save some money on the Pearl and Open book
if bought as a package next wee,. If you wish better info,please
phone:FreedomScientific .If one of you recall their phone number,please
post it so that whoever wishes to buy Open book or the Pearl can phone
FreedomScientific .

roy Dubriel
Roy Dubriel
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners.

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s
a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well.
It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR.
Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to
you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago
the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a
combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@...> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need
to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and
software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great
for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be
operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three
pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners
with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next,
I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out
there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting
that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn
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