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Maintaining Focus in Same Window

Rahul Bajaj
 

Hello Everyone,

I hope this message finds you well. When Iuse multiple webpages
simultaneously, the focus frequently shifts from the page that I am on
to the recently loaded page. For example, if I am searching for
something on Google and I click on a news story that's being loaded in
another window, the focus shifts from the search result page to the
news story as soon as the story gets fully loaded, thereby disrupting
my work. How can I ensure that this does not happen? I know there must
be some setting tucked away somewhere to do this, but I can't seem to
find it.
Any help would be welcome.

Best,
Rahul


Re: need help with thunderbird

Hazel Darvell <witch.hazel66@...>
 

You could try shift and tab.
hHazel

On 25/06/2015 23:01, elayneh via Jfw wrote:
when using thunderbird I am having to tabb several times to move out of the mail message. what are the short cutto get out of mail after reading the message.
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Re: Scanners., and open book

Adrian Spratt
 

Dave,

Yes to your first question. As to your second, I plead ignorance, but I suspect your guess is correct. When I have a page ready to go under the Hovercam hardware, I press "y" on my keyboard, and almost instantaneously I'm asked if I want to scan another page or stop. The scan of that page is complete.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book

Adrian,

Okay, thanks for that clarification. As you have described it otherwise, it
appears to be compatible to work with mainstream scanning software, which
would make it superior to the Pearl camera in terms of flexibility.

Also since it is a "click" type scanner rather than a moving light bar, it's
very fast to capture the page image, like the Pearl camera, is that correct?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 08:11 PM
Subject: RE: Scanners., and open book


the Hovercam would be a little awkward to carry around. It connects to my PC
via a USB port, and all communication is done through my PC keyboard.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book

Carolyn,

Heed my earlier post. The Pearl camera is designed to work with Openbook,
and Openbook only. You cannot get it to work with other software
applications to scan in photos, etc. I recommend you stick to a mainstream
scanner, whether a standalone flatbed or the one Adrian recommends or a
3-in-1 unit. If a 3-in-1 I would steer toward Epson.

I have a standalone flatbed scanner Epson GT2500, which is a pretty large
workhorse scanner, and a Pearl camera for Openbook.

The one advantage to the Pearl is that I can pack it up and carry with my
laptop to meetings and scan in place any document handouts. Maybe Adrian's
scanner can do the same -- he could comment on portability.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 06:39 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


Thank you; I do have their phone number.

What is the advantage to getting them as opposed to whatever else is out
there?

Thank you.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: <roydubriel@cfl.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


To the subscriber to this list and is struggling whether to buy three,two
or one unit,read what I just wrote: I have Openbook 9.I also have the
Perl camera. Open book and the camera will cost you about $1,500,if not
more.At the convention you will save some money on the Pearl and Open book
if bought as a package next wee,. If you wish better info,please
phone:FreedomScientific .If one of you recall their phone number,please
post it so that whoever wishes to buy Open book or the Pearl can phone
FreedomScientific .

roy Dubriel
Roy Dubriel
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners.

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn

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From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s
a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well.
It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR.
Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to
you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago
the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a
combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need
to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and
software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great
for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be
operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three
pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners
with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next,
I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out
there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting
that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners.

Adrian Spratt
 

Carolyn,

Regarding brokerage reports, others may have different experiences (Brad's post implies he does, and I hope he'll follow up), but I've never been happy with scanned-in tables of the relative complexity involved with investments. Instead, I use the documents online at my brokerage's website. Whenever I can get a document from the source, I do so because it saves an intermediary step that could cause new errors to creep in.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners.

Pictures into the computer would be nice for my husband. My primary need
would be like to scan the little directory of our church or my brokerage
account reports, which are several pages.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


I’m not sure about scanning pictures with the Pearl. Dan is right… the
Pearl and OpenBook do have limitations… it all depends on what you wish to
do. For me, I mostly use my iMac with a Canon MG6200 printer/scanner combo
and it works very well. But, when I have a lot of mail to scan, I’ll fire
up my laptop running Windows 8.1 and use my Pearl and Openbook to scan the
mail because it’s so fast.

I’ve had good success with inexpensive flatbed scanners on my Windows
machine, for example, a Canon, can’t recall the model, that I paid $80
for. I used OmniPage Pro to do the OCR.

So there are many choices, and, if you need to scan pictures and print
then a 3-in-1 combo may be what you need.

Thanks,

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn

----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw"
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s
a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really
well. It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the
OCR. Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being
read to you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5
years ago the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think
FS has a combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite
expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need
to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and
software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great
for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be
operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from
a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three
pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners
with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next,
I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out
there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting
that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners., and open book

Dave...
 

Adrian,

Okay, thanks for that clarification. As you have described it otherwise, it
appears to be compatible to work with mainstream scanning software, which
would make it superior to the Pearl camera in terms of flexibility.

Also since it is a "click" type scanner rather than a moving light bar, it's
very fast to capture the page image, like the Pearl camera, is that correct?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 08:11 PM
Subject: RE: Scanners., and open book


the Hovercam would be a little awkward to carry around. It connects to my PC
via a USB port, and all communication is done through my PC keyboard.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book

Carolyn,

Heed my earlier post. The Pearl camera is designed to work with Openbook,
and Openbook only. You cannot get it to work with other software
applications to scan in photos, etc. I recommend you stick to a mainstream
scanner, whether a standalone flatbed or the one Adrian recommends or a
3-in-1 unit. If a 3-in-1 I would steer toward Epson.

I have a standalone flatbed scanner Epson GT2500, which is a pretty large
workhorse scanner, and a Pearl camera for Openbook.

The one advantage to the Pearl is that I can pack it up and carry with my
laptop to meetings and scan in place any document handouts. Maybe Adrian's
scanner can do the same -- he could comment on portability.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 06:39 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


Thank you; I do have their phone number.

What is the advantage to getting them as opposed to whatever else is out
there?

Thank you.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy Dubriel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: <roydubriel@cfl.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


To the subscriber to this list and is struggling whether to buy three,two
or one unit,read what I just wrote: I have Openbook 9.I also have the
Perl camera. Open book and the camera will cost you about $1,500,if not
more.At the convention you will save some money on the Pearl and Open book
if bought as a package next wee,. If you wish better info,please
phone:FreedomScientific .If one of you recall their phone number,please
post it so that whoever wishes to buy Open book or the Pearl can phone
FreedomScientific .

roy Dubriel
Roy Dubriel
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners.

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s
a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well.
It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR.
Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to
you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago
the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a
combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need
to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and
software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great
for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be
operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three
pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners
with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next,
I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out
there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting
that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners., and open book

Adrian Spratt
 

the Hovercam would be a little awkward to carry around. It connects to my PC via a USB port, and all communication is done through my PC keyboard.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book

Carolyn,

Heed my earlier post. The Pearl camera is designed to work with Openbook,
and Openbook only. You cannot get it to work with other software
applications to scan in photos, etc. I recommend you stick to a mainstream
scanner, whether a standalone flatbed or the one Adrian recommends or a
3-in-1 unit. If a 3-in-1 I would steer toward Epson.

I have a standalone flatbed scanner Epson GT2500, which is a pretty large
workhorse scanner, and a Pearl camera for Openbook.

The one advantage to the Pearl is that I can pack it up and carry with my
laptop to meetings and scan in place any document handouts. Maybe Adrian's
scanner can do the same -- he could comment on portability.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 06:39 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


Thank you; I do have their phone number.

What is the advantage to getting them as opposed to whatever else is out
there?

Thank you.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy Dubriel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: <roydubriel@cfl.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


To the subscriber to this list and is struggling whether to buy three,two
or one unit,read what I just wrote: I have Openbook 9.I also have the
Perl camera. Open book and the camera will cost you about $1,500,if not
more.At the convention you will save some money on the Pearl and Open book
if bought as a package next wee,. If you wish better info,please
phone:FreedomScientific .If one of you recall their phone number,please
post it so that whoever wishes to buy Open book or the Pearl can phone
FreedomScientific .

roy Dubriel
Roy Dubriel
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners.

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn

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From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s
a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well.
It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR.
Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to
you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago
the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a
combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need
to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and
software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great
for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be
operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three
pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners
with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next,
I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out
there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting
that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners.

Brad Martin
 

Carolyn,

After reading the rest of my mail and seeing your other questions, I'll add to what I wrote previously.

The Brother MFC-L2740DW will scan photos, and you can do it yourself with JAWS. Of course, you would have to be able to see to crop the photos or edit them, but scanning them into your computer shouldn't be an issue. Paperport would allow you to scan directories and statements with what I think would be decent results, and you could have that scan saved into a text file or a Word document. Although it only prints and copies in black and white, it will scan in color. It has both a flat bed (a glass surface where you can lay a sheet of paper to be scanned) and a document feeder that can accept up to 35 pages. Again, it can also scan the front and back of a page in a single pass, but you must use the document feeder to do that, not the glass.

The lovely thing about this for you is that it is networkable. So you could use it wirelessly. Once you get it onto your wireless network, you and your husband could both use it without having to move a cable from one computer to the other. I want to think you can register up to five computers with the scanner.

There are a couple of things this device will do where you would need sighted assistance. For instance, from the touch screen on the device, you can scan something and have the scanner Email it to you. You can also copy documents without having to use the computer if you can see the touch screen, and you can scan a document and have it sent to your computer from the touch screen. However, keep in mind that you can scan documents to your computer from the Control Center software on your computer, and from that same software you can ask the scanner to make copies.

The only thing I can't seem to do from my computer is Email the file in a single step. I have to scan the document to my computer, then attach it to an Email myself. I'm supposed to be able to scan a document from the computer and have it open my Email program automatically, but I use Thunderbird, and I have not been successful at making this happen.

Everything I've told you that I have been able to do, I've done with JAWS 15 and Windows 7. I haven't needed sighted assistance except for programming the device to connect to my wireless network. I'm really thrilled with my purchase. I was most concerned that JAWS wouldn't read the Control Center 4 software, but once I got used to it, I can use every bit of it.

Brad

On 6/25/2015 9:30 PM, Brad Martin via Jfw wrote:
Carolyn,

You may recall that I asked a similar question a few months ago. I was looking at Brother printer/scanner/copier/fax machines, and I wondered how accessible the software would be for me. I use JAWS 15 and Windows 7 Pro.

Let me say that I didn't need color, so I bought a brother laser printer/all in one. I love it. My main concern when I posed my original question was whether or not JAWS worked with Brother's Control Center 4 software. It does, and from it I can scan and copy, and I can configure the printer myself without sighted assistance. I did have help getting the computer on my network from someone who could program it the way I wanted it, because my computer couldn't read the printer's screen until it could see the printer, which meant getting the printer on my network. It also came with Paperport for scanning documents as text. I haven't scanned much, but I did have a sheet of paper sitting on my desk, and I had no idea what it was. Popped it in the scanner, ran it through, and found out it was an expired Outback coupon. It did make a couple of errors reading the characters--it thought a / was a 1 for instance. But I was pretty happy with it for my purposes, and the software worked with JAWS just fine.

Incidentally, I bought the Brother MFC-L2740DW. I chose it because it can read both sides of a document at once. So if I scan something blank side up, I'll still get the other side when it scans "the back." A good price for it from Amazon is around $189, although right now they're asking quite a bit more for it. It will probably come back down in a week or two.

I've never used specialized software like OpenBook, so I don't have any experience with them. What I have works for my purposes.

Hope that helps,
Brad


On 6/25/2015 2:49 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw wrote:
When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next, I intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out there more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting that or something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners.

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi Dave,

Yes, that’s one of the limitations I had in mind.

Cheers,

Russell

On Jun 25, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Dave Carlson via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

I seriously doubt that the Pearl camera will work with any software except
Openbook. FS is not releasing the drivers to use with any other products.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 04:33 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


I’m not sure about scanning pictures with the Pearl. Dan is right… the Pearl
and OpenBook do have limitations… it all depends on what you wish to do. For
me, I mostly use my iMac with a Canon MG6200 printer/scanner combo and it
works very well. But, when I have a lot of mail to scan, I’ll fire up my
laptop running Windows 8.1 and use my Pearl and Openbook to scan the mail
because it’s so fast.

I’ve had good success with inexpensive flatbed scanners on my Windows
machine, for example, a Canon, can’t recall the model, that I paid $80 for.
I used OmniPage Pro to do the OCR.

So there are many choices, and, if you need to scan pictures and print then
a 3-in-1 combo may be what you need.

Thanks,

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn

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Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s
a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well.
It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR.
Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to
you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago
the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a
combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need
to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and
software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great
for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be
operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three
pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners
with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next,
I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out
there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting
that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners.

Brad Martin
 

Carolyn,

You may recall that I asked a similar question a few months ago. I was looking at Brother printer/scanner/copier/fax machines, and I wondered how accessible the software would be for me. I use JAWS 15 and Windows 7 Pro.

Let me say that I didn't need color, so I bought a brother laser printer/all in one. I love it. My main concern when I posed my original question was whether or not JAWS worked with Brother's Control Center 4 software. It does, and from it I can scan and copy, and I can configure the printer myself without sighted assistance. I did have help getting the computer on my network from someone who could program it the way I wanted it, because my computer couldn't read the printer's screen until it could see the printer, which meant getting the printer on my network. It also came with Paperport for scanning documents as text. I haven't scanned much, but I did have a sheet of paper sitting on my desk, and I had no idea what it was. Popped it in the scanner, ran it through, and found out it was an expired Outback coupon. It did make a couple of errors reading the characters--it thought a / was a 1 for instance. But I was pretty happy with it for my purposes, and the software worked with JAWS just fine.

Incidentally, I bought the Brother MFC-L2740DW. I chose it because it can read both sides of a document at once. So if I scan something blank side up, I'll still get the other side when it scans "the back." A good price for it from Amazon is around $189, although right now they're asking quite a bit more for it. It will probably come back down in a week or two.

I've never used specialized software like OpenBook, so I don't have any experience with them. What I have works for my purposes.

Hope that helps,
Brad

On 6/25/2015 2:49 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw wrote:
When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next, I intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out there more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting that or something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners., and open book

Dave...
 

Carolyn,

Heed my earlier post. The Pearl camera is designed to work with Openbook,
and Openbook only. You cannot get it to work with other software
applications to scan in photos, etc. I recommend you stick to a mainstream
scanner, whether a standalone flatbed or the one Adrian recommends or a
3-in-1 unit. If a 3-in-1 I would steer toward Epson.

I have a standalone flatbed scanner Epson GT2500, which is a pretty large
workhorse scanner, and a Pearl camera for Openbook.

The one advantage to the Pearl is that I can pack it up and carry with my
laptop to meetings and scan in place any document handouts. Maybe Adrian's
scanner can do the same -- he could comment on portability.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 06:39 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


Thank you; I do have their phone number.

What is the advantage to getting them as opposed to whatever else is out
there?

Thank you.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


To the subscriber to this list and is struggling whether to buy three,two
or one unit,read what I just wrote: I have Openbook 9.I also have the
Perl camera. Open book and the camera will cost you about $1,500,if not
more.At the convention you will save some money on the Pearl and Open book
if bought as a package next wee,. If you wish better info,please
phone:FreedomScientific .If one of you recall their phone number,please
post it so that whoever wishes to buy Open book or the Pearl can phone
FreedomScientific .

roy Dubriel
Roy Dubriel
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners.

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn

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From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s
a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well.
It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR.
Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to
you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago
the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a
combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need
to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and
software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great
for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be
operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three
pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners
with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next,
I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out
there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting
that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners., and open book

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Thank you; I do have their phone number.

What is the advantage to getting them as opposed to whatever else is out there?

Thank you.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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From: "Roy Dubriel via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: <roydubriel@cfl.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


To the subscriber to this list and is struggling whether to buy three,two or one unit,read what I just wrote: I have Openbook 9.I also have the Perl camera. Open book and the camera will cost you about $1,500,if not more.At the convention you will save some money on the Pearl and Open book if bought as a package next wee,. If you wish better info,please phone:FreedomScientific .If one of you recall their phone number,please post it so that whoever wishes to buy Open book or the Pearl can phone FreedomScientific .

roy Dubriel
Roy Dubriel
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners.

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well. It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR. Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

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via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
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Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next, I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

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Re: Scanners., and open book

Dave...
 

Freedom Scientific Orders 800-444-4443
Freedom Scientific Technical Support 727 803-8600 press 2

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: <roydubriel@cfl.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 05:58 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners., and open book


To the subscriber to this list and is struggling whether to buy three,two or
one unit,read what I just wrote: I have Openbook 9.I also have the Perl
camera. Open book and the camera will cost you about $1,500,if not more.At
the convention you will save some money on the Pearl and Open book if bought
as a package next wee,. If you wish better info,please
phone:FreedomScientific .If one of you recall their phone number,please
post it so that whoever wishes to buy Open book or the Pearl can phone
FreedomScientific .

roy Dubriel
Roy Dubriel
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners.

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s
a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well.
It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR.
Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to
you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago
the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a
combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and
software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be
operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three pieces
of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners
with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next, I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out
there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting that
or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners., and open book

roydubriel@...
 

To the subscriber to this list and is struggling whether to buy three,two or one unit,read what I just wrote: I have Openbook 9.I also have the Perl camera. Open book and the camera will cost you about $1,500,if not more.At the convention you will save some money on the Pearl and Open book if bought as a package next wee,. If you wish better info,please phone:FreedomScientific .If one of you recall their phone number,please post it so that whoever wishes to buy Open book or the Pearl can phone FreedomScientific .

roy Dubriel
Roy Dubriel

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners.

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well. It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR. Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next, I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners.

Dave...
 

I seriously doubt that the Pearl camera will work with any software except
Openbook. FS is not releasing the drivers to use with any other products.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 04:33 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


I’m not sure about scanning pictures with the Pearl. Dan is right… the Pearl
and OpenBook do have limitations… it all depends on what you wish to do. For
me, I mostly use my iMac with a Canon MG6200 printer/scanner combo and it
works very well. But, when I have a lot of mail to scan, I’ll fire up my
laptop running Windows 8.1 and use my Pearl and Openbook to scan the mail
because it’s so fast.

I’ve had good success with inexpensive flatbed scanners on my Windows
machine, for example, a Canon, can’t recall the model, that I paid $80 for.
I used OmniPage Pro to do the OCR.

So there are many choices, and, if you need to scan pictures and print then
a 3-in-1 combo may be what you need.

Thanks,

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s
a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well.
It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR.
Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to
you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago
the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a
combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need
to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and
software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great
for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be
operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three
pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners
with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next,
I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out
there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting
that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: need help with thunderbird

Mario
 

esc if you're just reading, control+w if you're composing and don't want to send, then esc.
that''s how I do it.


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Re: Scanners.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Pictures into the computer would be nice for my husband. My primary need would be like to scan the little directory of our church or my brokerage account reports, which are several pages.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


I’m not sure about scanning pictures with the Pearl. Dan is right… the Pearl and OpenBook do have limitations… it all depends on what you wish to do. For me, I mostly use my iMac with a Canon MG6200 printer/scanner combo and it works very well. But, when I have a lot of mail to scan, I’ll fire up my laptop running Windows 8.1 and use my Pearl and Openbook to scan the mail because it’s so fast.

I’ve had good success with inexpensive flatbed scanners on my Windows machine, for example, a Canon, can’t recall the model, that I paid $80 for. I used OmniPage Pro to do the OCR.

So there are many choices, and, if you need to scan pictures and print then a 3-in-1 combo may be what you need.

Thanks,

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well. It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR. Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
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via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next, I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I would need to scan to the computer for sending; printing them would not be as much of a priority.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


I’m not sure about scanning pictures with the Pearl. Dan is right… the Pearl and OpenBook do have limitations… it all depends on what you wish to do. For me, I mostly use my iMac with a Canon MG6200 printer/scanner combo and it works very well. But, when I have a lot of mail to scan, I’ll fire up my laptop running Windows 8.1 and use my Pearl and Openbook to scan the mail because it’s so fast.

I’ve had good success with inexpensive flatbed scanners on my Windows machine, for example, a Canon, can’t recall the model, that I paid $80 for. I used OmniPage Pro to do the OCR.

So there are many choices, and, if you need to scan pictures and print then a 3-in-1 combo may be what you need.

Thanks,

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well. It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR. Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next, I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners.

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Very helpful and explains more. Thanks. I'll add this to my file.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 6:18 PM
Subject: RE: Scanners.


I think there are several loose ends here, and I'll leave one or two dangling, but here goes:

Scanning involves both hardware and software. The hardware is typically a flatbed device that takes up a lot of room. I use the Hovercam, which has a tiny footprint and can easily be moved out of the way. It consists of a small base, a tallish stand, and a piece you pull out from the stand and raise above the desk surface. When purchased from IRTI, an adaptive products company in California, it comes with a mat that you unfold and lay out when you're ready to scan. The mat has raised lines that show you where to position the Hovercam and where to place the paper.

OCR (optical character recognition) software converts images on paper to digital text. You can obtain OCR software from a variety of places. IRTI has its own software, and its tech support staff will take you by phone, at no extra cost and no matter how much time it takes, through the setup process and associate the software with the Hovercam. The software you mention is FS's OpenBook. There are others.

The software you'd need to copy photographs, etc., is different. One example is Photoshop, which I believe is owned by Adobe. But this software is not OCR software. I don't know if both can be run on the same system, but I imagine they can. It just gets more expensive.

Going back to the Hovercam, although it can't do automatic feeding, you can pile a stack of pages neatly on the mat, scan the top page, remove that page, scan the next, and so on. The photographing of each page is done in literally a moment (a second or less). When you finish photographing the stack, you press a single key to start the recognition process, where the OCR software takes over and converts the pictures into text. This takes longer than scanning, but it's still fast.

As I finish, I realize I'm promoting IRTI's combination of software and the Hovercam, which I don't really mean to. For anyone needing to conserve space, the combination is ideal and IRTI makes the process simple. Obviously, other options also work. In fact, you have lots of choices, and they aren't all dependent on adaptive product suppliers. But by explaining my experience, I hope I get across the concepts involved.

One last point. There is no need of sighted assistance in the OCR process. I do it all the time on my own. Even the setup process can be done without sighted assistance, but at least for me, the help I got at that stage save me a lot of time.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Scanners.

Mitchell and others, That does get me started.

So, if I get a scanner, what does that involve? Is there hardware that is
involved there? I am not that savvy about operating systems and the like,
just, if it works and I can do it, I use it or learn it.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: Scanners.


Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be
operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three pieces
of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners
with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
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Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next, I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting that
or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: Scanners.

Russell Solowoniuk
 

I’m not sure about scanning pictures with the Pearl. Dan is right… the Pearl and OpenBook do have limitations… it all depends on what you wish to do. For me, I mostly use my iMac with a Canon MG6200 printer/scanner combo and it works very well. But, when I have a lot of mail to scan, I’ll fire up my laptop running Windows 8.1 and use my Pearl and Openbook to scan the mail because it’s so fast.

I’ve had good success with inexpensive flatbed scanners on my Windows machine, for example, a Canon, can’t recall the model, that I paid $80 for. I used OmniPage Pro to do the OCR.

So there are many choices, and, if you need to scan pictures and print then a 3-in-1 combo may be what you need.

Thanks,

Russell

On Jun 25, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

OK - another wrung on this ladder to educate me.
With Pearl, could we scan photographs on it too?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Scanners.


Hi,

If you are going with OpenBook, you might want to consider the Pearl. It’s a camera on a stand, and in conjunction with OpenBook, works really well. It takes a picture of the page and sends it to OpenBook for the OCR. Within seconds of taking the picture you will hear the page being read to you. I’m not sure what it sells for now… when I bought mine 5 years ago the Pearl camera was $650… I already owned OpenBook. I think FS has a combo price if you buy both together, but it’s still quite expensive.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Carolyn,

I am by no means an expert on scanners, but whatever you get, you need to
understand that scanning requires both hardware (the scanner) and software
(a computer program that makes use of the scanner). OpenBook is not a
scanner. Instead, it is scanning and OCR software that works with many
scanners.

If I understand your post correctly, you are considering purchasing an
all-in-one printer, fax, and scanner. While such products work great for
sighted individuals, I'm not sure how many of them, if any, can be operated
nonvisually. For example, I know that some all-in-one devices have an
inaccessible touch screen, and it is not possible to control them from a
computer. That said, it may be better for you to buy two or three pieces of
equipment if, of course, you can afford it. I also recommend scanners with
an automatic feeder.

I hope this helps, and I'm sorry I cannot provide specific advice (e.g.
with regards to device models).

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Scanners.

When I get my new computer at the end of the year or beginning of next, I
intend to get a printer with fax and scanning capability.

So, I'm wondering, as a totally blind user of JAWS, is there a special
scanner I have to get for it to be accessible? Are some scanners out there
more accessible than others?

What is Open Book? I have heard of it. Would I be limited to getting that or
something like that?

Thanks.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn
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Re: need help with thunderbird

douglas richard dexheimer
 

I use nvda on a windows 7 machine; in thunderbird control+w gets me out of the message back to the message listview.

On 6/25/2015 5:01 PM, elayneh via Jfw wrote:
when using thunderbird I am having to tabb several times to move out of the mail message. what are the short cutto get out of mail after reading the message.
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