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Re: Contacting Netflix about accessibility issues.

Brad Martin
 

Excellent letter, Tim! I hope you get an intelligent response for your trouble.

Brad

On 6/22/2015 8:19 PM, Tim Ford via Jfw wrote:
Hi All,

I took Genni's advice, and called Netflix at 877-742-1480. As I expected, the person answering the general call line had no suggestions. She did however give me the email address for posting questions to their engineer group. The address is:
technicalresearch@netflix.com

I also recommend anyone who wishes to use Netflix contact them, either at the phone number below, or the email address above.

In case anyone is interested, below is what I wrote to Netflix. I am not claiming this as anything more than it is, a quick note of frustration, with some ideas for them. Here is what I wrote:


Dear Netflix,


I am blind, and use a Windows 7 laptop. Up until a week or so ago, your web site was extremely hard to navigate, but at least I could start a video. Now, after your web page design changes implemented a few days ago, I cannot even start a video.

I am using the latest update of JAWS version 16; JAWS is the world’s most widely used screen reading software for the blind. I tried accessing your service with IE, Firefox, and Chrome, but could not get a video to start. With IE, I cannot even activate my profile.

I am a reasonably experienced Internet user, and if there is a way to navigate your site with a screen reader, I have not figured it out. I am using the recommended common settings for JAWS, and I have no problems with some other video streaming services.

Back a few weeks ago, Netflix announced the addition of audio description. That is a great move, and I applaud you for that. However, in a very ironic twist, it is not possible for a blind person to select the audio described version, even though one is on the part of your site that contains only audio described programs. Why add that extra step? If one is on the audio description page, the user obviously wants the audio described version, so why not make that the default?

In general, there seems to be a huge gap between your marketing department and the technology group. Netflix marketing is advertising this new and wonderful audio description service, but a blind person simply cannot navigate the site, especially after the rollout of your new web page design.

In closing, I am using a Windows laptop, and I do not have a smart phone. The issues I am asking you to please fix are just for us old-fashioned blind folks using a Windows computer.

I know from experience that screen reader accessibility is a very narrow specialty and skill set, so if you do not have such an expert on staff, you could either hire one or contract with one of the accessibility consultant experts that will help you become and stay accessible.

I am happy to volunteer by helping you test any changes; I have done that in the past for a number of web service companies. Please advise, and much thanks.

Sincerely,
Tim Ford


-----Original Message----- From: Gennie Eachus via Jfw
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:49 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Gennie Eachus
Subject: RE: Netflix

I also am having trouble with Netflix. I can no longer access the search
field. I have spoken to both the DVD customer service line and to the
streaming customer service line.

The customer service number is
(877) 742-1480
You will be asked to go online to get a service code to speed things up. Not
necessary. Just stay on the line and someone will answer.

We all need to call Netflix about this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of carman
mccauley via Jfw
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 5:17 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: carman mccauley
Subject: RE: Netflix

Hi,

A couple of things that may help. On the profile page use the jaws cursor
to click on the profile you want. Use insert f7 to use the links list on
the movies page. I agree they messed it up.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
via Jfw
Sent: June-19-15 6:45 PM
To: Jaws User Group
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: Netflix

Dear Group:

I am new to this JAWS User Group. I am a subscriber to Netflix, who seems to
want to make it darned difficult for screen readers to navigate.

I am operating with JAWS 14, Windows 7 and Internet Explorer. Netflix
changed things about 4 months ago that made navigation difficult without a
sighted person to use the mouse. Then, they changed again yesterday and I
cannot navigate their site at all.

Any others out there with this issue?

Daniel
Texas


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Re: Keeping Up With Technology

Brad Martin
 

I can't really fault Freedom Scientific for this. Designers do crazier and crazier things with software and websites every day, and the people at FS aren't psychic. It's been this way since before I got into computers I'm sure, and that was 1992. You can't redesign software to fix a problem until the problem exists. So what happens. A new version of Windows comes out, and then JAWS has to be rewritten to handle the new stuff. A new version of Office comes out replacing menus with ribbons, and again, the software has to be rewritten to deal with the new layout. Netflix changes their website, and again something has to be tweaked to handle the new wrinkle. If the site designer would use Alt tags on their graphics, graphical links wouldn't be an issue.

The other side of that coin is that you have to do your part, and that means updating to the latest version of JAWS if you want the latest fixes to the latest problems. I don't generally update to every new release, because for what I do, I can usually skip five or so versions. It's cheaper that way, and I don't feel like I'm missing out. If you're more on the cutting edge of technology, you may have to update more frequently.

Which brings me to my final point of the night. People gripe about the cost of assistive technology, but as rapidly as things change, programmers are always having to work writing code to accommodate those new features and problems. And unlike, say, Microsoft Office, which people use by the millions and millions of copies, assistive technology has an extremely small market share. People want the very latest and greatest, and they want the software authors to work for free.

Is what we have perfect? No. But if you were using JAWS back in the days of Internet Explorer 3.0, you remember when the only way to read a news article was with the JAWS cursor (there was no virtual cursor), and you had to read three or four columns of articles at one time with all the stories mixed together. We've come soooooo far since 1997 when I started teaching people how to use the Internet. When you step back eighteen years, it's really quite amazing how rapidly our technology catches up with the rest of the world compared to how long it used to take.

Brad

On 6/22/2015 6:25 PM, Kevin Wollenweber via Jfw wrote:
You know, with all the hardships that I read within this EList, especially
regarding Netflix and other such sites-I know I'm having my share of woes
regarding these-I think the fault lay not only with sites like Netflix that
change configurations as often as they change their underwear, but also with
Freedom Scientific for not keeping the programs compatible and current with
a lot of new programs and changing graphics. If screenreaders were able to
recognize changing graphics, I think things would be a lot more accessible.
No one saw this Netflix change coming; I mean, the site is definitely
changed completely to the point where I cannot find my DVD queue; if they
were phasing out the DVD queue, news of this should have been announced to
subscribers long ago, but if this is merely a configuration issue where more
is made of graphics, well, then I guess that, right now, they'll lose a lot
of subscribers who can't figure out the situation, but my hope is that
screenreading software is keeping up with the times, because they're
certainly *NOT* slowing down for us.


Kevin

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Contacting Netflix about accessibility issues.

Tim Ford
 

Hi All,

I took Genni's advice, and called Netflix at 877-742-1480. As I expected, the person answering the general call line had no suggestions. She did however give me the email address for posting questions to their engineer group. The address is:
technicalresearch@netflix.com

I also recommend anyone who wishes to use Netflix contact them, either at the phone number below, or the email address above.

In case anyone is interested, below is what I wrote to Netflix. I am not claiming this as anything more than it is, a quick note of frustration, with some ideas for them. Here is what I wrote:


Dear Netflix,


I am blind, and use a Windows 7 laptop. Up until a week or so ago, your web site was extremely hard to navigate, but at least I could start a video. Now, after your web page design changes implemented a few days ago, I cannot even start a video.

I am using the latest update of JAWS version 16; JAWS is the world’s most widely used screen reading software for the blind. I tried accessing your service with IE, Firefox, and Chrome, but could not get a video to start. With IE, I cannot even activate my profile.

I am a reasonably experienced Internet user, and if there is a way to navigate your site with a screen reader, I have not figured it out. I am using the recommended common settings for JAWS, and I have no problems with some other video streaming services.

Back a few weeks ago, Netflix announced the addition of audio description. That is a great move, and I applaud you for that. However, in a very ironic twist, it is not possible for a blind person to select the audio described version, even though one is on the part of your site that contains only audio described programs. Why add that extra step? If one is on the audio description page, the user obviously wants the audio described version, so why not make that the default?

In general, there seems to be a huge gap between your marketing department and the technology group. Netflix marketing is advertising this new and wonderful audio description service, but a blind person simply cannot navigate the site, especially after the rollout of your new web page design.

In closing, I am using a Windows laptop, and I do not have a smart phone. The issues I am asking you to please fix are just for us old-fashioned blind folks using a Windows computer.

I know from experience that screen reader accessibility is a very narrow specialty and skill set, so if you do not have such an expert on staff, you could either hire one or contract with one of the accessibility consultant experts that will help you become and stay accessible.

I am happy to volunteer by helping you test any changes; I have done that in the past for a number of web service companies. Please advise, and much thanks.

Sincerely,
Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: Gennie Eachus via Jfw
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:49 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Gennie Eachus
Subject: RE: Netflix

I also am having trouble with Netflix. I can no longer access the search
field. I have spoken to both the DVD customer service line and to the
streaming customer service line.

The customer service number is
(877) 742-1480
You will be asked to go online to get a service code to speed things up. Not
necessary. Just stay on the line and someone will answer.

We all need to call Netflix about this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of carman
mccauley via Jfw
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 5:17 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: carman mccauley
Subject: RE: Netflix

Hi,

A couple of things that may help. On the profile page use the jaws cursor
to click on the profile you want. Use insert f7 to use the links list on
the movies page. I agree they messed it up.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
via Jfw
Sent: June-19-15 6:45 PM
To: Jaws User Group
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: Netflix

Dear Group:

I am new to this JAWS User Group. I am a subscriber to Netflix, who seems to
want to make it darned difficult for screen readers to navigate.

I am operating with JAWS 14, Windows 7 and Internet Explorer. Netflix
changed things about 4 months ago that made navigation difficult without a
sighted person to use the mouse. Then, they changed again yesterday and I
cannot navigate their site at all.

Any others out there with this issue?

Daniel
Texas


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Re: Can't Enter Text Into Forms Mode Field

judith bron
 

This might sound stupid but for the past year I hit the space bar instead of
the enter key to get forms mode. Good luck!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 8:08 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: Can't Enter Text Into Forms Mode Field

Hello, everyone.



I'm still having issues typing characters into the edit box when on the
internet with my home Windows 7 PC.



I can arrow down or tab until I hear the forms mode sound, but when I type,
nothing gets entered into the edit box.



I had someone sighted check, and nothing gets entered onto the screen when I
do the typing in forms mode, even though the sound indicates I'm in forms
mode.



I find the issue both in Internet Explorer and in Firefox. And, I have
tried performing searches on several different web sites where info needs to
be entered into the search box.





Is there a Jaws or other setting I should check to troubleshoot the issue?



For the record, I'm using Jaws 14 on this particular computer.



Thank you!



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


Re: Jaws Latest J16.0.3048 Update Download Links

Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
 

Bill,, I did have a minor blip downloading but thought it was nothing.
Thanks for clarifying. Will delete it.

Andre

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 7:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: Jaws Latest J16.0.3048 Update Download Links

Hi, Andre. Apparently you had to try to download the file twice. The .part
file was the first failed download.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 5:04 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws Latest J16.0.3048 Update Download Links


Mike,

I downloaded from the link and received two files. One plainly executable
.exe and the other some kind of executable .exe.part file.

I executed the .exe file and it appears to have updated properly. My
question is what is the .exe.part file and do I need to run it? If so do
I
just hit enter on it like a regular .exe file?

I'm out of my wheelhouse on this one. Your thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Andre

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via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 2:05 PM
To: JFW List
Cc: Michael B.
Subject: Jaws Latest J16.0.3048 Update Download Links

Hi All,

Below are the download links for the latest update build, J16.0.3048, &
what's new in this build:

32 Bit:

http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/JAWS/J16.0.3048enu-x86.exe

64 Bit:

http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/JAWS/J16.0.3048enu-x64.exe


The following is a list of improvements made between the JAWS 16 May 2015
release and the June 2015 update.

To download the latest release, visit the Downloads web page.

JAWS
.Addressed issues with JAWS unexpectedly exiting Forms Mode while editing
or

navigating in HTML ARIA multiline edit fields.
.Text entered into the Search Box in the Windows 7 Start menu is now shown
in braille.
.Addressed reported issues with characters not being entered as expected
when typing rapidly using a braille display.
.Resolved issues with using speech in a JAWS Remote Desktop connection.
.Addressed reported Research It issues where links in the Weather lookup
source could sometimes not be activated and extraneous text was being
displayed with results in the Wikipedia lookup source. We are continuing
to
work on resolving the MLB Scores issues.
.Addressed a reported issue where the Braille Viewer utility would not run
if JAWS was started using the /default command line switch, which is used
for troubleshooting. Braille Viewer allows a sighted person to see what is
on the user's braille display by displaying the JAWS braille output on the
screen.
.When the Allow Web Application Reserved Keystrokes option is enabled,
assigned punctuation characters are now passed to Facebook as expected.
For
instance, pressing SHIFT+SLASH for a question mark will now open the
Keyboard Shortcut Help dialog on the Facebook web site.
.Addressed an issue reported by a customer using the Eloquence synthesizer
where the Keyboard voice was still set to English - United States even
though the profile was set to use English - United Kingdom for all
contexts.
.JAWS now correctly announces the Windows 8.1 Start button as a button
instead of a list box.
.Resolved a customer reported issue with the Say Word command, INSERT+NUM
PAD 5, not working as expected in Windows Explorer.
.Resolved an issue with JAWS not working correctly in edit combo boxes
when
the Windows language settings are configured for Hebrew.
.Updated the JAWS dictionary to improve the pronunciation of "live view."
Additionally, improved how Vocalizer Expressive pronounces different
combinations of characters, such as a letter followed by a number.

Adobe
.Worked with Adobe on solving issues with the OCR of PDF documents in the
new Acrobat Reader DC. Adobe will release an update to Acrobat Reader DC
soon that is working as expected with JAWS 16.
.An issue was reported where JAWS appeared to become unresponsive for
several seconds when attempting to select and copy text from a very large
document. This has been corrected and copying text from large documents
should now be instantaneous.

Google
.The ALT+UP ARROW keystroke now closes a combo box in Chrome without the
need to first use the Pass Key Through command (INSERT+3).
.Resolved an issue where the label for multiline edit fields was being
shown

at the beginning of each line on the braille display in Google docs.

Microsoft Excel
.Addressed an issue where information was not being displayed correctly in
braille for spreadsheets containing hidden columns when the braille mode
was

set to Current Row.

Microsoft Internet Explorer
.Pressing ENTER on submenu items on Outlook.com now activates the item.
.Resolved issues with JAWS not detecting changes in certain ARIA live
regions.
.If a page does not contain a main region, you are now told there is no
main

region on the page when using Navigation Quick Key Q to move to the main
region.
.The error message that is heard when using Navigation Quick Key C on a
page

that does not contain combo boxes, list views, or tree views, has been
updated to also mention ARIA controls. Navigation Quick Key C also moves
to
ARIA role tabs.
.The Virtual HTML Features dialog box (INSERT+F3), which allows you to
select the type of HTML element list you want to view, now includes a
"Controls (Selectable ARIA, combo, lists, and trees) List" item.
.Addressed a customer reported issue with JAWS not correctly announcing
the
notification bar when pressing ENTER on a download link. Information about
the Notification Bar is now also shown on the braille display as a flash
message.
.Resolved an issue where INSERT+UP ARROW to read the current line was not
reading the contents of an edit field in Forms Mode.

Microsoft Office
.Resolved an issue where attempting to change the keyboard language was
not
working if a braille display was connected.

Microsoft Outlook
.Addressed an issue reported by the Veterans Administration with JAWS
becoming unresponsive and restarting while attempting to read certain
messages.
.When selecting a profile, a customer reported JAWS double speaking the
profile name. This has been fixed.
.When entering email recipients and you are connected to an Exchange
server,

JAWS now automatically reads the information bar that is displayed if a
recipient is out of the office or they have configured an automatic reply.
This was requested by the CNIB in Canada.
.Addressed a reported issue with reading all-day appointments in Outlook
2013.
.Resolved an issue where the currently selected item in the message list
was

not being spoken after closing a message or dialog box.
.Addressed an issue with braille not working as expected after moving a
message to another folder.
.Addressed a customer reported issue where the correct window title was
not
being read after switching to another folder.

Microsoft Word
.Resolved an issue with reading certain text boxes navigated to using the
Inline Objects dialog box (CTRL+SHIFT+O).
.As requested by a customer, pressing CTRL+ALT+NUM PAD 5 in a table now
only

reads the current cell if no column or row titles have been defined.
.JAWS now announces and shows in braille the current state of the
Hide/Browse button in the Save As dialog box.
.Addressed a situation reported by a customer where speech and braille
were
lost when attempting to create a bulleted list in Word 2010.
.In Word 2010, resolved a reported issue where JAWS focus was not
returning
to the document after selecting a word from the Synonyms menu.
.A customer reported that the commands to read the previous or next
sentence

(ALT+UP ARROW and ALT+DOWN ARROW) were not working as expected when
focused
on the first or last paragraph in a document. This is now fixed.
.After selecting an item from a combo box or toggling the state of a check
box in a form in Word 2013, addressed an issue where JAWS was repeating
the
control info multiple times when focus returned to the document.

Mozilla Firefox
.Resolved an issue where the page title was not always being spoken
correctly on dynamic web pages.
.To help eliminate any possible confusion, long labels on radio buttons,
check boxes, and buttons that exceed the specified line length for the
Virtual Cursor will no longer wrap to multiple lines.
.Resolved an issue with Forms Mode not working as expected after using the
ALT+DOWN ARROW keystroke to open a combo box.
.JAWS now speaks the selected text when you attempt to select the contents
of a table cell in some web-based editors.
.When using the Select a Form Field dialog box (INSERT+F5) to move to a
specific form field, resolved an issue where JAWS was not automatically
reading the field prompt when focus moved to it.
.Improved JAWS performance with ARIA slider controls so the correct
left/right orientation is indicated.

Mozilla Thunderbird
.Improved JAWS performance when navigating large messages. In addition,
JAWS

no longer reads the selected item twice after deleting a message.

Enhancements in JAWS 16.0.2342 (May 2015)

As a result of our automatic error reporting feature pointing out an
issue,
we were able to post this intermediate update to improve stability.

Take care.
Mike
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Re: Keeping Up With Technology

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

My husband had a career in graphic arts, and he says that everything is ridiculously graphic these days - more and more. It would seem to me, that unless the screen maker manufacturers were given the schematics from the point of design of these programs and changes, they are really having to struggle to cope with the real world that we are facing from day to day.

I, for one, wish that a computer user could have the option to get into a program with a graphic waver. Then it would be an easy road for JAWS and other screen readers. It does look like to me, that there could be some kind of graphic filter, but I was just a secretary and medical transcriptionist with imagination, guess I'd have to ask my husband and some other smart guys like some of yall if anything like that could even be possible. I can see that for maybe 99 percent of the market that idea would have no appeal at all, so it would be a problem to market such a filtering system. These programs are designed by men, so can be modified, altered, rebuilt, so it does seem that screen readers could operate a lot smoother if there could be graphic filters of some sort.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Kevin Wollenweber" <dancingweed@optonline.net>
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 7:25 PM
Subject: Keeping Up With Technology


You know, with all the hardships that I read within this EList, especially
regarding Netflix and other such sites-I know I'm having my share of woes
regarding these-I think the fault lay not only with sites like Netflix that
change configurations as often as they change their underwear, but also with
Freedom Scientific for not keeping the programs compatible and current with
a lot of new programs and changing graphics. If screenreaders were able to
recognize changing graphics, I think things would be a lot more accessible.
No one saw this Netflix change coming; I mean, the site is definitely
changed completely to the point where I cannot find my DVD queue; if they
were phasing out the DVD queue, news of this should have been announced to
subscribers long ago, but if this is merely a configuration issue where more
is made of graphics, well, then I guess that, right now, they'll lose a lot
of subscribers who can't figure out the situation, but my hope is that
screenreading software is keeping up with the times, because they're
certainly *NOT* slowing down for us.



Kevin

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Re: Jaws Latest J16.0.3048 Update Download Links

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Andre. Apparently you had to try to download the file twice. The .part file was the first failed download.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andre Jarreau via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Andre Jarreau" <andre.jarreau@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 5:04 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws Latest J16.0.3048 Update Download Links


Mike,

I downloaded from the link and received two files. One plainly executable
.exe and the other some kind of executable .exe.part file.

I executed the .exe file and it appears to have updated properly. My
question is what is the .exe.part file and do I need to run it? If so do I
just hit enter on it like a regular .exe file?

I'm out of my wheelhouse on this one. Your thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Andre

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael B. via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 2:05 PM
To: JFW List
Cc: Michael B.
Subject: Jaws Latest J16.0.3048 Update Download Links

Hi All,

Below are the download links for the latest update build, J16.0.3048, &
what's new in this build:

32 Bit:

http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/JAWS/J16.0.3048enu-x86.exe

64 Bit:

http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/JAWS/J16.0.3048enu-x64.exe


The following is a list of improvements made between the JAWS 16 May 2015
release and the June 2015 update.

To download the latest release, visit the Downloads web page.

JAWS
.Addressed issues with JAWS unexpectedly exiting Forms Mode while editing or

navigating in HTML ARIA multiline edit fields.
.Text entered into the Search Box in the Windows 7 Start menu is now shown
in braille.
.Addressed reported issues with characters not being entered as expected
when typing rapidly using a braille display.
.Resolved issues with using speech in a JAWS Remote Desktop connection.
.Addressed reported Research It issues where links in the Weather lookup
source could sometimes not be activated and extraneous text was being
displayed with results in the Wikipedia lookup source. We are continuing to
work on resolving the MLB Scores issues.
.Addressed a reported issue where the Braille Viewer utility would not run
if JAWS was started using the /default command line switch, which is used
for troubleshooting. Braille Viewer allows a sighted person to see what is
on the user's braille display by displaying the JAWS braille output on the
screen.
.When the Allow Web Application Reserved Keystrokes option is enabled,
assigned punctuation characters are now passed to Facebook as expected. For
instance, pressing SHIFT+SLASH for a question mark will now open the
Keyboard Shortcut Help dialog on the Facebook web site.
.Addressed an issue reported by a customer using the Eloquence synthesizer
where the Keyboard voice was still set to English - United States even
though the profile was set to use English - United Kingdom for all contexts.
.JAWS now correctly announces the Windows 8.1 Start button as a button
instead of a list box.
.Resolved a customer reported issue with the Say Word command, INSERT+NUM
PAD 5, not working as expected in Windows Explorer.
.Resolved an issue with JAWS not working correctly in edit combo boxes when
the Windows language settings are configured for Hebrew.
.Updated the JAWS dictionary to improve the pronunciation of "live view."
Additionally, improved how Vocalizer Expressive pronounces different
combinations of characters, such as a letter followed by a number.

Adobe
.Worked with Adobe on solving issues with the OCR of PDF documents in the
new Acrobat Reader DC. Adobe will release an update to Acrobat Reader DC
soon that is working as expected with JAWS 16.
.An issue was reported where JAWS appeared to become unresponsive for
several seconds when attempting to select and copy text from a very large
document. This has been corrected and copying text from large documents
should now be instantaneous.

Google
.The ALT+UP ARROW keystroke now closes a combo box in Chrome without the
need to first use the Pass Key Through command (INSERT+3).
.Resolved an issue where the label for multiline edit fields was being shown

at the beginning of each line on the braille display in Google docs.

Microsoft Excel
.Addressed an issue where information was not being displayed correctly in
braille for spreadsheets containing hidden columns when the braille mode was

set to Current Row.

Microsoft Internet Explorer
.Pressing ENTER on submenu items on Outlook.com now activates the item.
.Resolved issues with JAWS not detecting changes in certain ARIA live
regions.
.If a page does not contain a main region, you are now told there is no main

region on the page when using Navigation Quick Key Q to move to the main
region.
.The error message that is heard when using Navigation Quick Key C on a page

that does not contain combo boxes, list views, or tree views, has been
updated to also mention ARIA controls. Navigation Quick Key C also moves to
ARIA role tabs.
.The Virtual HTML Features dialog box (INSERT+F3), which allows you to
select the type of HTML element list you want to view, now includes a
"Controls (Selectable ARIA, combo, lists, and trees) List" item.
.Addressed a customer reported issue with JAWS not correctly announcing the
notification bar when pressing ENTER on a download link. Information about
the Notification Bar is now also shown on the braille display as a flash
message.
.Resolved an issue where INSERT+UP ARROW to read the current line was not
reading the contents of an edit field in Forms Mode.

Microsoft Office
.Resolved an issue where attempting to change the keyboard language was not
working if a braille display was connected.

Microsoft Outlook
.Addressed an issue reported by the Veterans Administration with JAWS
becoming unresponsive and restarting while attempting to read certain
messages.
.When selecting a profile, a customer reported JAWS double speaking the
profile name. This has been fixed.
.When entering email recipients and you are connected to an Exchange server,

JAWS now automatically reads the information bar that is displayed if a
recipient is out of the office or they have configured an automatic reply.
This was requested by the CNIB in Canada.
.Addressed a reported issue with reading all-day appointments in Outlook
2013.
.Resolved an issue where the currently selected item in the message list was

not being spoken after closing a message or dialog box.
.Addressed an issue with braille not working as expected after moving a
message to another folder.
.Addressed a customer reported issue where the correct window title was not
being read after switching to another folder.

Microsoft Word
.Resolved an issue with reading certain text boxes navigated to using the
Inline Objects dialog box (CTRL+SHIFT+O).
.As requested by a customer, pressing CTRL+ALT+NUM PAD 5 in a table now only

reads the current cell if no column or row titles have been defined.
.JAWS now announces and shows in braille the current state of the
Hide/Browse button in the Save As dialog box.
.Addressed a situation reported by a customer where speech and braille were
lost when attempting to create a bulleted list in Word 2010.
.In Word 2010, resolved a reported issue where JAWS focus was not returning
to the document after selecting a word from the Synonyms menu.
.A customer reported that the commands to read the previous or next sentence

(ALT+UP ARROW and ALT+DOWN ARROW) were not working as expected when focused
on the first or last paragraph in a document. This is now fixed.
.After selecting an item from a combo box or toggling the state of a check
box in a form in Word 2013, addressed an issue where JAWS was repeating the
control info multiple times when focus returned to the document.

Mozilla Firefox
.Resolved an issue where the page title was not always being spoken
correctly on dynamic web pages.
.To help eliminate any possible confusion, long labels on radio buttons,
check boxes, and buttons that exceed the specified line length for the
Virtual Cursor will no longer wrap to multiple lines.
.Resolved an issue with Forms Mode not working as expected after using the
ALT+DOWN ARROW keystroke to open a combo box.
.JAWS now speaks the selected text when you attempt to select the contents
of a table cell in some web-based editors.
.When using the Select a Form Field dialog box (INSERT+F5) to move to a
specific form field, resolved an issue where JAWS was not automatically
reading the field prompt when focus moved to it.
.Improved JAWS performance with ARIA slider controls so the correct
left/right orientation is indicated.

Mozilla Thunderbird
.Improved JAWS performance when navigating large messages. In addition, JAWS

no longer reads the selected item twice after deleting a message.

Enhancements in JAWS 16.0.2342 (May 2015)

As a result of our automatic error reporting feature pointing out an issue,
we were able to post this intermediate update to improve stability.

Take care.
Mike
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Re: Can't Enter Text Into Forms Mode Field

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Tom. I don't know that this would solve your particular issue, but, sometimes, refreshing the page with the function key 5, F5, will bring up a search box where you can enter data.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 5:08 PM
Subject: Can't Enter Text Into Forms Mode Field


Hello, everyone.



I'm still having issues typing characters into the edit box when on the
internet with my home Windows 7 PC.



I can arrow down or tab until I hear the forms mode sound, but when I type,
nothing gets entered into the edit box.



I had someone sighted check, and nothing gets entered onto the screen when I
do the typing in forms mode, even though the sound indicates I'm in forms
mode.



I find the issue both in Internet Explorer and in Firefox. And, I have
tried performing searches on several different web sites where info needs to
be entered into the search box.





Is there a Jaws or other setting I should check to troubleshoot the issue?



For the record, I'm using Jaws 14 on this particular computer.



Thank you!



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan











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getting Skype off of task bar

Daniel McBride
 

Earlier today someone posted instructions for getting Skype off of your task
bar completely.

The first instruction was to access Select A System Tray Icon and arrow down
to Skype.

I tried this. After entering Insert F11, I have only 4 choices to arrow to.
They are Get Windows 10, Solve PC Issues, Network 5 Internet Access and
Speakers.

So, will the instructions not work for JAWS 14?


Doing a clean uninstall and reinstall of JAWS.

Tim Ford
 

Just changing the subject line to be descriptive. I also deleted the almost 90 pages of the list digest, since the question is understandable without any background.

Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Coverdell via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 4:55 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Ryan Coverdell
Subject: Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 49, Issue 11

How easy is it to do a clean uninstall and reinstall? Could I do it,
as a blind person, by myself or would it be best if I had some one who
could see talk me through it? I do have some other computer issues, so
maybe waiting till mydays off this week may be best. But if any of you
would feel comfortable guiding me through the process of uninstalling
or reinstalling JAWS please give me your contact info. If possible,
could you contact me off list, those of you who could help me? On list
it can be cluttery with the other messages to sort through.


Regards, Ryan Coverdell


Can't Enter Text Into Forms Mode Field

Tom Behler
 

Hello, everyone.



I'm still having issues typing characters into the edit box when on the
internet with my home Windows 7 PC.



I can arrow down or tab until I hear the forms mode sound, but when I type,
nothing gets entered into the edit box.



I had someone sighted check, and nothing gets entered onto the screen when I
do the typing in forms mode, even though the sound indicates I'm in forms
mode.



I find the issue both in Internet Explorer and in Firefox. And, I have
tried performing searches on several different web sites where info needs to
be entered into the search box.





Is there a Jaws or other setting I should check to troubleshoot the issue?



For the record, I'm using Jaws 14 on this particular computer.



Thank you!



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


Re: Jaws Latest J16.0.3048 Update Download Links

Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
 

Mike,

I downloaded from the link and received two files. One plainly executable
.exe and the other some kind of executable .exe.part file.

I executed the .exe file and it appears to have updated properly. My
question is what is the .exe.part file and do I need to run it? If so do I
just hit enter on it like a regular .exe file?

I'm out of my wheelhouse on this one. Your thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Andre

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael B. via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 2:05 PM
To: JFW List
Cc: Michael B.
Subject: Jaws Latest J16.0.3048 Update Download Links

Hi All,

Below are the download links for the latest update build, J16.0.3048, &
what's new in this build:

32 Bit:

http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/JAWS/J16.0.3048enu-x86.exe

64 Bit:

http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/JAWS/J16.0.3048enu-x64.exe


The following is a list of improvements made between the JAWS 16 May 2015
release and the June 2015 update.

To download the latest release, visit the Downloads web page.

JAWS
.Addressed issues with JAWS unexpectedly exiting Forms Mode while editing or

navigating in HTML ARIA multiline edit fields.
.Text entered into the Search Box in the Windows 7 Start menu is now shown
in braille.
.Addressed reported issues with characters not being entered as expected
when typing rapidly using a braille display.
.Resolved issues with using speech in a JAWS Remote Desktop connection.
.Addressed reported Research It issues where links in the Weather lookup
source could sometimes not be activated and extraneous text was being
displayed with results in the Wikipedia lookup source. We are continuing to
work on resolving the MLB Scores issues.
.Addressed a reported issue where the Braille Viewer utility would not run
if JAWS was started using the /default command line switch, which is used
for troubleshooting. Braille Viewer allows a sighted person to see what is
on the user's braille display by displaying the JAWS braille output on the
screen.
.When the Allow Web Application Reserved Keystrokes option is enabled,
assigned punctuation characters are now passed to Facebook as expected. For
instance, pressing SHIFT+SLASH for a question mark will now open the
Keyboard Shortcut Help dialog on the Facebook web site.
.Addressed an issue reported by a customer using the Eloquence synthesizer
where the Keyboard voice was still set to English - United States even
though the profile was set to use English - United Kingdom for all contexts.
.JAWS now correctly announces the Windows 8.1 Start button as a button
instead of a list box.
.Resolved a customer reported issue with the Say Word command, INSERT+NUM
PAD 5, not working as expected in Windows Explorer.
.Resolved an issue with JAWS not working correctly in edit combo boxes when
the Windows language settings are configured for Hebrew.
.Updated the JAWS dictionary to improve the pronunciation of "live view."
Additionally, improved how Vocalizer Expressive pronounces different
combinations of characters, such as a letter followed by a number.

Adobe
.Worked with Adobe on solving issues with the OCR of PDF documents in the
new Acrobat Reader DC. Adobe will release an update to Acrobat Reader DC
soon that is working as expected with JAWS 16.
.An issue was reported where JAWS appeared to become unresponsive for
several seconds when attempting to select and copy text from a very large
document. This has been corrected and copying text from large documents
should now be instantaneous.

Google
.The ALT+UP ARROW keystroke now closes a combo box in Chrome without the
need to first use the Pass Key Through command (INSERT+3).
.Resolved an issue where the label for multiline edit fields was being shown

at the beginning of each line on the braille display in Google docs.

Microsoft Excel
.Addressed an issue where information was not being displayed correctly in
braille for spreadsheets containing hidden columns when the braille mode was

set to Current Row.

Microsoft Internet Explorer
.Pressing ENTER on submenu items on Outlook.com now activates the item.
.Resolved issues with JAWS not detecting changes in certain ARIA live
regions.
.If a page does not contain a main region, you are now told there is no main

region on the page when using Navigation Quick Key Q to move to the main
region.
.The error message that is heard when using Navigation Quick Key C on a page

that does not contain combo boxes, list views, or tree views, has been
updated to also mention ARIA controls. Navigation Quick Key C also moves to
ARIA role tabs.
.The Virtual HTML Features dialog box (INSERT+F3), which allows you to
select the type of HTML element list you want to view, now includes a
"Controls (Selectable ARIA, combo, lists, and trees) List" item.
.Addressed a customer reported issue with JAWS not correctly announcing the
notification bar when pressing ENTER on a download link. Information about
the Notification Bar is now also shown on the braille display as a flash
message.
.Resolved an issue where INSERT+UP ARROW to read the current line was not
reading the contents of an edit field in Forms Mode.

Microsoft Office
.Resolved an issue where attempting to change the keyboard language was not
working if a braille display was connected.

Microsoft Outlook
.Addressed an issue reported by the Veterans Administration with JAWS
becoming unresponsive and restarting while attempting to read certain
messages.
.When selecting a profile, a customer reported JAWS double speaking the
profile name. This has been fixed.
.When entering email recipients and you are connected to an Exchange server,

JAWS now automatically reads the information bar that is displayed if a
recipient is out of the office or they have configured an automatic reply.
This was requested by the CNIB in Canada.
.Addressed a reported issue with reading all-day appointments in Outlook
2013.
.Resolved an issue where the currently selected item in the message list was

not being spoken after closing a message or dialog box.
.Addressed an issue with braille not working as expected after moving a
message to another folder.
.Addressed a customer reported issue where the correct window title was not
being read after switching to another folder.

Microsoft Word
.Resolved an issue with reading certain text boxes navigated to using the
Inline Objects dialog box (CTRL+SHIFT+O).
.As requested by a customer, pressing CTRL+ALT+NUM PAD 5 in a table now only

reads the current cell if no column or row titles have been defined.
.JAWS now announces and shows in braille the current state of the
Hide/Browse button in the Save As dialog box.
.Addressed a situation reported by a customer where speech and braille were
lost when attempting to create a bulleted list in Word 2010.
.In Word 2010, resolved a reported issue where JAWS focus was not returning
to the document after selecting a word from the Synonyms menu.
.A customer reported that the commands to read the previous or next sentence

(ALT+UP ARROW and ALT+DOWN ARROW) were not working as expected when focused
on the first or last paragraph in a document. This is now fixed.
.After selecting an item from a combo box or toggling the state of a check
box in a form in Word 2013, addressed an issue where JAWS was repeating the
control info multiple times when focus returned to the document.

Mozilla Firefox
.Resolved an issue where the page title was not always being spoken
correctly on dynamic web pages.
.To help eliminate any possible confusion, long labels on radio buttons,
check boxes, and buttons that exceed the specified line length for the
Virtual Cursor will no longer wrap to multiple lines.
.Resolved an issue with Forms Mode not working as expected after using the
ALT+DOWN ARROW keystroke to open a combo box.
.JAWS now speaks the selected text when you attempt to select the contents
of a table cell in some web-based editors.
.When using the Select a Form Field dialog box (INSERT+F5) to move to a
specific form field, resolved an issue where JAWS was not automatically
reading the field prompt when focus moved to it.
.Improved JAWS performance with ARIA slider controls so the correct
left/right orientation is indicated.

Mozilla Thunderbird
.Improved JAWS performance when navigating large messages. In addition, JAWS

no longer reads the selected item twice after deleting a message.

Enhancements in JAWS 16.0.2342 (May 2015)

As a result of our automatic error reporting feature pointing out an issue,
we were able to post this intermediate update to improve stability.

Take care.
Mike
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Re: Jfw Digest, Vol 49, Issue 11

Ryan Coverdell
 

How easy is it to do a clean uninstall and reinstall? Could I do it,
as a blind person, by myself or would it be best if I had some one who
could see talk me through it? I do have some other computer issues, so
maybe waiting till mydays off this week may be best. But if any of you
would feel comfortable guiding me through the process of uninstalling
or reinstalling JAWS please give me your contact info. If possible,
could you contact me off list, those of you who could help me? On list
it can be cluttery with the other messages to sort through.
Regards, Ryan Coverdell

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Today's Topics:

1. RE: question about accessible text editors for scripting
(Paul Lemm)
2. doing a jaws repair (Ryan Coverdell)
3. Re: You need to update Skype. NOT! (Stan Bobbitt)
4. Re: You need to update Skype. NOT! (Marsha)
5. Re: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007 (Carolyn Arnold)
6. Re: doing a jaws repair (john.falter)
7. Re: doing a jaws repair (Dave Carlson)
8. Re: doing a jaws repair (Tim Ford)
9. RE: doing a jaws repair (Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.)
10. Re: doing a jaws repair (Tim Ford)
11. RE: You need to update Skype. NOT! (Michal Nowicki)
12. RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007 (Michal Nowicki)
13. RE: You need to update Skype. NOT! (Michal Nowicki)
14. RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007 (Michal Nowicki)
15. RE: You need to update Skype. NOT! (Daniel McBride)
16. Re: You need to update Skype. NOT! (Melissa STOTT)
17. Re: You need to update Skype. NOT! (Maria Campbell)
18. RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007 (Harry Spencer)
19. Re: You need to update Skype. NOT! (Peter op t Hof)
20. Re: You need to update Skype. NOT! (Russell Solowoniuk)
21. Re: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007 (Russell Solowoniuk)
22. RE: Netflix (Gennie Eachus)
23. Re: Netflix (Brent Harding)
24. Navigating Netflix!! (Kevin Wollenweber)
25. jaws and braillepen 12 (Gery Gaubert)
26. Installation of today's new JAWS release (Adrian Spratt)
27. RE: Installation of today's new JAWS release (Lee Anne Atkinson)
28. Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release (Dennis)
29. Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release (NLG)
30. RE: Installation of today's new JAWS release (Londa Peterson)
31. RE: Installation of today's new JAWS release (Drew Hunthausen)
32. Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release
(mitch@orbitelcom.com)
33. Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release (Stan Holdeman)
34. RE: Installation of today's new JAWS release (Londa Peterson)
35. installation of today's new release from JAWS (Daniel McBride)
36. RE: Installation of today's new JAWS release (Daniel McBride)
37. RE: installation of today's new release from JAWS (Michal Nowicki)
38. RE: Installation of today's new JAWS release (Michal Nowicki)
39. RE: Installation of today's new JAWS release (Michal Nowicki)
40. RE: installation of today's new release from JAWS (Crist?bal)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:17:21 +0100
From: "Paul Lemm" <paul.lemm@sky.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: question about accessible text editors for scripting
Message-ID: <00c001d0ab74$9672db10$c3589130$@sky.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi Amy,

Just getting into programming myself so only using notepad at present, but
would be interested to hear if anyone came back to you with any suggestions
for good text editors as notepad does the job for me but I'm sure there
are
better programs out there.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Amy Bower via
Jfw
Sent: 15 June 2015 21:00
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Amy Bower
Subject: question about accessible text editors for scripting

Hi All - I'm looking for an accessible text editor (Windows) for writing
program scripts (specifically for Matlab, which is somewhat like C but
unique to Matlab). I've tried EdSharp and it works pretty well, but looking
for something else that is updated. I use both Jaws and Magic, and need the
editor to work with both simultaneously. I've looked into UltraEdit, and as
others have reported, it seems to work well with Jaws, but Magic only
tracked the cursor in SayAll, not when I move word to word or line to line.
Whatever editor I use has to have a Go To Line command for debugging. I
think that rules out Notepad and Wordpad. I've read that Notepad++ is not
that accessible. I looked into emacs and emacspeak, but these seemd to have
steep learning curves. Not that interested in them.

Suggestions welcome, offline please, at abower@whoi.edu.

Thanks.

-Amy B.

P.S. I'm running on two Windows 7, 64-bit platforms, one has Magic 12, Jaws
16 and MS Office 12, and the other has Magic 13, Jaws 16 and MS Office
2013.



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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 10:33:57 -0600
From: Ryan Coverdell <rmcover74@gmail.com>
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: doing a jaws repair
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I had malware on my computer and in the process of restoring Jaws it
no longer works right. I can tab from link to link using google chrome
but I cannot read using the arrow keys. On IE 11 I can do neither.
FREEDOM SCIENTIFIC said I need to do a repair of Jaws. I could not
stay and do it, but they said they were willing to assist. The next
time I would be able to call them is Thursday, June 2,5. I'd rather
not wait that long if I can help it. Is any one on this list competent
doing a Jaws repair and could walk me through it? If you are could you
contact me off list? If it's an easy enough process could you send me
instructions? If not, could you give me your phone number and the
times you are available? I'll be around most of today and on Monday,
Tuesday, and Wednesday evenings after 6 P.M. Mountain standard time.
I'd really like to get this fixed. Jaws 14, windows 7. I'm writing
this message on my Pac Mate Omni, which is now the only device I have
that reads web-based text pages. Happy Father's Day tomorrow,
Ryan Coverdell



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 12:45:02 -0400
From: "Stan Bobbitt" <sbobbitt@triad.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: You need to update Skype. NOT!
Message-ID: <A2DD37F3143F4DB29AA33E168B0E0ADB@GbobbittHP>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8";
reply-type=original

When I need to completely close skype I follow these steps:
1 open select a system tray icon with INSERT F11 and arrow down to skype
2 tab to right single click and hit spacebar
3 arrow down to quit and hit enter
4 you'll be asked if you're sure, tab down to quit and again hit enter

HTH
Stan B

-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 11:04 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: You need to update Skype. NOT!

I had the same issue with not being able to close Skype after installing.
I?m
running Windows 8.1 as well, and wonder if we inadvertently installed the
Windows App version of Skype instead of the full desktop version? I?m not to

clear as to whether or not there are Windows Apps for all programs or not.
Just a thought. I hardly use Skype, so not sure if it?s working or not? just

installed the update because a window came up prompting me to update Skype,

so I did.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 20, 2015, at 8:48 AM, Robin Frost via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
wrote:

Hi,
My goodness all of this excitement. I'm running the latest build of the
program with JFW 16 and though some things have changed all is going just

fine. I was able to explore various options, send a chat message to
someone and even see where to initiate a call should I have wished to do
so and all of that even without being sure I'm running the latest Skype
scripts from Doug.
Deep cleansing breaths and reasonable thought processes are a good thing.
Happy Saturday one and all.
Robin


-----Original Message----- From: Ed Marquette via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ed Marquette
Subject: You need to update Skype. NOT!

I have never been a big fan of Skype, but the new features in
Skype, as advertised in an email message I received having a
subject line similar to the above, made it tempting.

So, I read further. Apparently, the old Skype will no longer be
supported.

Being one always willing to jump for the bleeding edge, I gave it
a try. In fairness, I didn't try to work with it for very long,
but this has to rank right up there with the most inaccessible
products I've seen on the market in the last decade. The thing
brings up a list of options that one can read, but none of them
works. Even worse, Skype hangs around and cannot be removed even
with Alt-F4. I almost entitled this message, "Is Skype really a
virus?" Fortunately, after going to the Control Panel, it was
fairly easy to get rid of the thing. Now, my computer is working
normally, but I really thought I had inadvertently introduced a
virus to my computer (Windows 8.1). I'm using JAWS 16.

So, except for those with some sight (probably quite a bit) and
those with psychological needs to inflict punishment upon
themselves, I would recommend to people that they bypass the
tempting advertisements in the Skype email message that is likely
to appear in your Inbox soon - if it has not appeared already.



Sent from my Yoga IdeaPad

I. Edward Marquette

Universal Phone: 408.692.5640



Mobile: 816.812.0088





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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 11:47:43 -0500
From: "Marsha" <marcatony@yahoo.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: You need to update Skype. NOT!
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HI
If you want to close Skype, the easiest way is to go to the system tray.
hit quit, then yes you are sure.

Marsha




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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 13:03:58 -0400
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007
Message-ID: <09E7FAB02ADE49749CDF1D06F4A8AF85@carolynea4ea6d>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
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It has worked on my last too computers. Some of the women in my card groups

can't open my attachments. I, being the leader, have to send updates
occasionally, and I patch the whole file into the body of the e-mail - away

it goes, and they can read them. When we have someone new, the attachment is

pretty long.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry
Ford.

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7 Outlook
2007


This surprises me. I didn?t know one could paste attachments right into
the body of an email message. Is this something new? This is the way I?ve

been doing attachments on my Mac for the past 6 years, but never knew it
was possible in Windows and Outlook. Does this only work in outlook 2013?

Thanks,

Russell
On Jun 19, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Kevin Hourigan via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

I do not have Outlook, but typically the body is where you write the main

body of your letter. In Windows Live Mail one tabs from the send to edit

box to cc, to bc, to subject, to the body of the letter. Do I understand

the directions correctly; in Outlook one just pastes an attachment in the

main body edit area?
Thanks,
Cheers Kevin.
-----Original Message----- From: O.Addison Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 5:11 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: O.Addison Gethers
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7 Outlook

2007

Hello Harry,
Man I don't know what is the body of the e-mail is? If I'm not mistaken
when
you say body ,Are you mean in message ?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Harry
Spencer
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 6:14 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Harry Spencer
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Just paste in the body of the email. Harry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of O.Addison
Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 2:13 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: O.Addison Gethers
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Hi Brissett,
I want to send a picture in attachment ,if I find the picture that I want

in
attachment so I press ctrl + c to copy then open a new message in e-mail

to
the person I want to send the picture where do I paste the picture by
press
ctrl +v where in message?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bissett,
Tom
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bissett, Tom
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Or you can find the document you want to attach, copy it to the
clipboard
with control+C and paste it into your email. It will put it in as an
attachment.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal
Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 11:42 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Alt N, A, F

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of O.Addison
Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 8:32 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: O.Addison Gethers
Subject: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7 Outlook
2007

Hello All,

I have jaws 16 ,window7 desktop computer and Microsoft outlook 2007 !! I
want to send someone attachment in e-mail ,How can I put attachment in
e-mail ? What is the keystroke command for created attachment ?

Addison



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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 13:12:32 -0400
From: "john.falter" <john.falter@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: doing a jaws repair
Message-ID: <55859F00.50700@verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

Re: JAWS Repair David Whitehead 12/23/2013 9:33? xpc

The steps below are the best, most in depth, and most thorough way of
repairing Jaws according to Freedom Scientific Tech Support.
Note; jaws11 is the example, however, this will work for 12 13 14 15.
1. Place a copy of the Jaws executible version that you want to repair into
the main root of the " C " drive. For example; If you are running Jaws11
most recent you would paste a copy of " J11.0.1430-32bit.exe " into the
main
root of the " C " drive. To open the main root of the " C " drive, go to
the desktop, press enter on My Computer, press enter on Local disk C, and
now you have the main root of the " C " drive open.
2. With the Jaws " .exe " pasted into the "C" drive, highlight the " .exe
",
and press F2 as if you were going to edit this line of text. now press
control + C to copy this Jaws executible, press escape to close the edit
field, and press Alt + F4 to close the C drive.
What you want to do is place just the title of the Jaws version into the
Windows Run Dialogue box and not the file. If you were to place the Jaws
executable into the Run box without copying as you did as per the
instructions above you would have pasted the whole file into the Run Box
instead of just the title.
3. Now that you have just the title copied to the clipboard, press Windows
key + R to open the Run Dialogue Box. Type, remember to type a capitalC ,"
C:\ " without the quotes or
spaces and press control + V to paste the Jaws title, press your end key to
take the cursor to the end of the title and type in the following " /type
repair" without the quotes but, with the spaces . Below is what your line
of text should look / read like.

C:\J15.0.5056ENU-64bit.exe /type repair

Read character by character to make sure you have put in the proper spaces,
Forward & back slashes and text. press the home key to go to the front of
the title and press enter to start the repair.



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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 10:00:39 -0700
From: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: doing a jaws repair
Message-ID: <F2AB6637B28B4B01AD8A997A20BE46CD@SJDCARLSON>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Ryan,

If you have a copy of your current original JAWS executable file, why not
just do an install of that version?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Coverdell via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Ryan Coverdell" <rmcover74@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 09:33 AM
Subject: doing a jaws repair


I had malware on my computer and in the process of restoring Jaws it
no longer works right. I can tab from link to link using google chrome
but I cannot read using the arrow keys. On IE 11 I can do neither.
FREEDOM SCIENTIFIC said I need to do a repair of Jaws. I could not
stay and do it, but they said they were willing to assist. The next
time I would be able to call them is Thursday, June 2,5. I'd rather
not wait that long if I can help it. Is any one on this list competent
doing a Jaws repair and could walk me through it? If you are could you
contact me off list? If it's an easy enough process could you send me
instructions? If not, could you give me your phone number and the
times you are available? I'll be around most of today and on Monday,
Tuesday, and Wednesday evenings after 6 P.M. Mountain standard time.
I'd really like to get this fixed. Jaws 14, windows 7. I'm writing
this message on my Pac Mate Omni, which is now the only device I have
that reads web-based text pages. Happy Father's Day tomorrow,
Ryan Coverdell

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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 10:22:49 -0700
From: "Tim Ford" <ttford@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: doing a jaws repair
Message-ID: <DEADB89ED1F542E0BE9BCC6D4FC0FE37@intra.dhs.ca.gov>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Hi All,

Just to add my two cents worth, I would not bother with the repair option,
just do a new installation. My purely anecdotal experience is that the
repair never works, and Freedom Scientific ends up thereafter recommending
doing a new clean install; this has happened to me probably 5 or 6 times
over the years. Frankly, the new install goes more quickly than the repair

option, so I wonder why they bother with the repair.


Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: doing a jaws repair

Ryan,

If you have a copy of your current original JAWS executable file, why not
just do an install of that version?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Coverdell via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Ryan Coverdell" <rmcover74@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 09:33 AM
Subject: doing a jaws repair


I had malware on my computer and in the process of restoring Jaws it
no longer works right. I can tab from link to link using google chrome
but I cannot read using the arrow keys. On IE 11 I can do neither.
FREEDOM SCIENTIFIC said I need to do a repair of Jaws. I could not
stay and do it, but they said they were willing to assist. The next
time I would be able to call them is Thursday, June 2,5. I'd rather
not wait that long if I can help it. Is any one on this list competent
doing a Jaws repair and could walk me through it? If you are could you
contact me off list? If it's an easy enough process could you send me
instructions? If not, could you give me your phone number and the
times you are available? I'll be around most of today and on Monday,
Tuesday, and Wednesday evenings after 6 P.M. Mountain standard time.
I'd really like to get this fixed. Jaws 14, windows 7. I'm writing
this message on my Pac Mate Omni, which is now the only device I have
that reads web-based text pages. Happy Father's Day tomorrow,
Ryan Coverdell

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:40:28 +0000
From: "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." <kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: doing a jaws repair
Message-ID: <2f3a88$sgo1a@ironport10.mayo.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Can you do the reinstall directly over the onboard version? Thanks, Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ford via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 12:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Tim Ford
Subject: Re: doing a jaws repair

Hi All,

Just to add my two cents worth, I would not bother with the repair option,
just do a new installation. My purely anecdotal experience is that the
repair never works, and Freedom Scientific ends up thereafter recommending
doing a new clean install; this has happened to me probably 5 or 6 times
over the years. Frankly, the new install goes more quickly than the repair
option, so I wonder why they bother with the repair.


Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: doing a jaws repair

Ryan,

If you have a copy of your current original JAWS executable file, why not
just do an install of that version?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Coverdell via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Ryan Coverdell" <rmcover74@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 09:33 AM
Subject: doing a jaws repair


I had malware on my computer and in the process of restoring Jaws it
no longer works right. I can tab from link to link using google chrome
but I cannot read using the arrow keys. On IE 11 I can do neither.
FREEDOM SCIENTIFIC said I need to do a repair of Jaws. I could not
stay and do it, but they said they were willing to assist. The next
time I would be able to call them is Thursday, June 2,5. I'd rather
not wait that long if I can help it. Is any one on this list competent
doing a Jaws repair and could walk me through it? If you are could you
contact me off list? If it's an easy enough process could you send me
instructions? If not, could you give me your phone number and the
times you are available? I'll be around most of today and on Monday,
Tuesday, and Wednesday evenings after 6 P.M. Mountain standard time.
I'd really like to get this fixed. Jaws 14, windows 7. I'm writing
this message on my Pac Mate Omni, which is now the only device I have
that reads web-based text pages. Happy Father's Day tomorrow,
Ryan Coverdell

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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 11:11:06 -0700
From: "Tim Ford" <ttford@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: doing a jaws repair
Message-ID: <6EDED1F7338A4509B4429CA555905479@intra.dhs.ca.gov>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Yes, you can do a "new" install without having to first remove the old
version. If you are able, I recommend first removing the version with the
bug in it, but sometimes the bug has the side effect of blocking the
uninstall program.
Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:40 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Subject: RE: doing a jaws repair

Can you do the reinstall directly over the onboard version? Thanks, Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ford via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 12:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Tim Ford
Subject: Re: doing a jaws repair

Hi All,

Just to add my two cents worth, I would not bother with the repair option,
just do a new installation. My purely anecdotal experience is that the
repair never works, and Freedom Scientific ends up thereafter recommending
doing a new clean install; this has happened to me probably 5 or 6 times
over the years. Frankly, the new install goes more quickly than the repair

option, so I wonder why they bother with the repair.


Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: doing a jaws repair

Ryan,

If you have a copy of your current original JAWS executable file, why not
just do an install of that version?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Coverdell via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Ryan Coverdell" <rmcover74@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 09:33 AM
Subject: doing a jaws repair


I had malware on my computer and in the process of restoring Jaws it
no longer works right. I can tab from link to link using google chrome
but I cannot read using the arrow keys. On IE 11 I can do neither.
FREEDOM SCIENTIFIC said I need to do a repair of Jaws. I could not
stay and do it, but they said they were willing to assist. The next
time I would be able to call them is Thursday, June 2,5. I'd rather
not wait that long if I can help it. Is any one on this list competent
doing a Jaws repair and could walk me through it? If you are could you
contact me off list? If it's an easy enough process could you send me
instructions? If not, could you give me your phone number and the
times you are available? I'll be around most of today and on Monday,
Tuesday, and Wednesday evenings after 6 P.M. Mountain standard time.
I'd really like to get this fixed. Jaws 14, windows 7. I'm writing
this message on my Pac Mate Omni, which is now the only device I have
that reads web-based text pages. Happy Father's Day tomorrow,
Ryan Coverdell

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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 15:30:57 -0500
From: Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@icloud.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: You need to update Skype. NOT!
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I close Skype from the Task Bar because Alt F4 doesn't work for me either.
Other then that, however, the program works well for me; I use JAWS 16 and
Windows 8.1. One setting I recommend changing, though, is unchecking the
"Skype Home" option in the view menu. If checked, this setting makes
screen
reader navigation more difficult because parts of the Skype website appear
in the program.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marsha via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 11:48 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Marsha
Subject: Re: You need to update Skype. NOT!

HI
If you want to close Skype, the easiest way is to go to the system tray.
hit quit, then yes you are sure.

Marsha


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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 15:32:27 -0500
From: Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@icloud.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007
Message-ID: <003301d0ab98$39d3e0b0$ad7ba210$@icloud.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Let us know if it works in Groupwise.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:11 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7 Outlook
2007

Hi Bill,

Thanks. I mostly use a Mac at home now, and at work we use Groupwise for
email, so I guess I?ve fallen a bit behind with the Outlook world! :) I
really like the method of pasting attachments directly into the body of an
email, and am glad this is possible in Windows. I?ll have to try it in
Groupwise when I go back to work, which won?t be till the middle of August!

Thanks again Bill.

Russell
On Jun 20, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Bill White via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
wrote:

Hi, Russell. This works in Outlook 2007, 2010, and 2013.

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw"
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007


This surprises me. I didn?t know one could paste attachments right into
the body of an email message. Is this something new? This is the way I?ve
been doing attachments on my Mac for the past 6 years, but never knew it
was possible in Windows and Outlook. Does this only work in outlook
2013?

Thanks,

Russell
On Jun 19, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Kevin Hourigan via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

I do not have Outlook, but typically the body is where you write the
main body of your letter. In Windows Live Mail one tabs from the send to
edit box to cc, to bc, to subject, to the body of the letter. Do I
understand the directions correctly; in Outlook one just pastes an
attachment in the main body edit area?
Thanks,
Cheers Kevin.
-----Original Message----- From: O.Addison Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 5:11 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: O.Addison Gethers
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007

Hello Harry,
Man I don't know what is the body of the e-mail is? If I'm not
mistaken when you say body ,Are you mean in message ?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Harry
Spencer via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 6:14 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Harry Spencer
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Just paste in the body of the email. Harry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
O.Addison Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 2:13 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: O.Addison Gethers
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Hi Brissett,
I want to send a picture in attachment ,if I find the picture that I
want in attachment so I press ctrl + c to copy then open a new
message in e-mail to the person I want to send the picture where do
I paste the picture by press ctrl +v where in message?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Bissett, Tom via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bissett, Tom
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Or you can find the document you want to attach, copy it to the
clipboard with control+C and paste it into your email. It will put
it in as an attachment.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal
Nowicki via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 11:42 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Alt N, A, F

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
O.Addison Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 8:32 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: O.Addison Gethers
Subject: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007

Hello All,

I have jaws 16 ,window7 desktop computer and Microsoft outlook 2007
!! I want to send someone attachment in e-mail ,How can I put
attachment in e-mail ? What is the keystroke command for created
attachment ?

Addison



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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 15:37:39 -0500
From: Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@icloud.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: You need to update Skype. NOT!
Message-ID: <003501d0ab98$f3f36e20$dbda4a60$@icloud.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Skype does have both a desktop and a metro app, but not all programs have
versions optimized specifically for Windows 8 and above. If this were the
case, we would be able to run JAWS on Windows RT.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:05 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: You need to update Skype. NOT!

I had the same issue with not being able to close Skype after installing.
I?m running Windows 8.1 as well, and wonder if we inadvertently installed
the Windows App version of Skype instead of the full desktop version? I?m
not to clear as to whether or not there are Windows Apps for all programs or
not. Just a thought. I hardly use Skype, so not sure if it?s working or not?
just installed the update because a window came up prompting me to update
Skype, so I did.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 20, 2015, at 8:48 AM, Robin Frost via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
wrote:

Hi,
My goodness all of this excitement. I'm running the latest build of the
program with JFW 16 and though some things have changed all is going just
fine. I was able to explore various options, send a chat message to
someone and even see where to initiate a call should I have wished to do
so and all of that even without being sure I'm running the latest Skype
scripts from Doug.
Deep cleansing breaths and reasonable thought processes are a good thing.
Happy Saturday one and all.
Robin


-----Original Message----- From: Ed Marquette via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ed Marquette
Subject: You need to update Skype. NOT!

I have never been a big fan of Skype, but the new features in Skype,
as advertised in an email message I received having a subject line
similar to the above, made it tempting.

So, I read further. Apparently, the old Skype will no longer be
supported.

Being one always willing to jump for the bleeding edge, I gave it a
try. In fairness, I didn't try to work with it for very long, but
this has to rank right up there with the most inaccessible products
I've seen on the market in the last decade. The thing brings up a
list of options that one can read, but none of them works. Even
worse, Skype hangs around and cannot be removed even with Alt-F4. I
almost entitled this message, "Is Skype really a virus?" Fortunately,
after going to the Control Panel, it was fairly easy to get rid of the
thing. Now, my computer is working normally, but I really thought I
had inadvertently introduced a virus to my computer (Windows 8.1).
I'm using JAWS 16.

So, except for those with some sight (probably quite a bit) and those
with psychological needs to inflict punishment upon themselves, I
would recommend to people that they bypass the tempting advertisements
in the Skype email message that is likely to appear in your Inbox soon
- if it has not appeared already.



Sent from my Yoga IdeaPad

I. Edward Marquette

Universal Phone: 408.692.5640



Mobile: 816.812.0088





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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 15:40:01 -0500
From: Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@icloud.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007
Message-ID: <003701d0ab99$4897fa90$d9c7efb0$@icloud.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Does this work in Thunderbird? Windows Live Mail? Other clients?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7 Outlook
2007

This surprises me. I didn?t know one could paste attachments right into the
body of an email message. Is this something new? This is the way I?ve been
doing attachments on my Mac for the past 6 years, but never knew it was
possible in Windows and Outlook. Does this only work in outlook 2013?

Thanks,

Russell
On Jun 19, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Kevin Hourigan via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

I do not have Outlook, but typically the body is where you write the main
body of your letter. In Windows Live Mail one tabs from the send to edit
box to cc, to bc, to subject, to the body of the letter. Do I understand
the directions correctly; in Outlook one just pastes an attachment in the
main body edit area?
Thanks,
Cheers Kevin.
-----Original Message----- From: O.Addison Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 5:11 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: O.Addison Gethers
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007

Hello Harry,
Man I don't know what is the body of the e-mail is? If I'm not
mistaken when you say body ,Are you mean in message ?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Harry
Spencer via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 6:14 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Harry Spencer
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Just paste in the body of the email. Harry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
O.Addison Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 2:13 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: O.Addison Gethers
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Hi Brissett,
I want to send a picture in attachment ,if I find the picture that I
want in attachment so I press ctrl + c to copy then open a new
message in e-mail to the person I want to send the picture where do I
paste the picture by press ctrl +v where in message?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bissett,
Tom via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bissett, Tom
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Or you can find the document you want to attach, copy it to the
clipboard with control+C and paste it into your email. It will put it
in as an attachment.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal
Nowicki via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 11:42 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Alt N, A, F

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
O.Addison Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 8:32 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: O.Addison Gethers
Subject: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7 Outlook
2007

Hello All,

I have jaws 16 ,window7 desktop computer and Microsoft outlook 2007 !!
I want to send someone attachment in e-mail ,How can I put attachment
in e-mail ? What is the keystroke command for created attachment ?

Addison



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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 16:34:45 -0500
From: "Daniel McBride" <dlmlaw@sbcglobal.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: You need to update Skype. NOT!
Message-ID: <008401d0aba0$ee3c7140$cab553c0$@sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I second Robin. I am having no problems with Skype. I also wish to
say that Microsoft is among the more user friendly corporations for the
blind that I have found.

I wish to suggest that the email you received was a sham email not
generated
by Skype, but by a spammer.

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Robin Frost
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:48 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Robin Frost
Subject: Re: You need to update Skype. NOT!

Hi,
My goodness all of this excitement. I'm running the latest build of the
program with JFW 16 and though some things have changed all is going just
fine. I was able to explore various options, send a chat message to someone
and even see where to initiate a call should I have wished to do so and all
of that even without being sure I'm running the latest Skype scripts from
Doug.
Deep cleansing breaths and reasonable thought processes are a good thing.
Happy Saturday one and all.
Robin


-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Marquette via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ed Marquette
Subject: You need to update Skype. NOT!

I have never been a big fan of Skype, but the new features in Skype, as
advertised in an email message I received having a subject line similar to
the above, made it tempting.

So, I read further. Apparently, the old Skype will no longer be supported.

Being one always willing to jump for the bleeding edge, I gave it a try.
In
fairness, I didn't try to work with it for very long, but this has to rank
right up there with the most inaccessible products I've seen on the market
in the last decade. The thing brings up a list of options that one can
read, but none of them works. Even worse, Skype hangs around and cannot be
removed even with Alt-F4. I almost entitled this message, "Is Skype really
a virus?" Fortunately, after going to the Control Panel, it was fairly
easy
to get rid of the thing. Now, my computer is working normally, but I
really
thought I had inadvertently introduced a virus to my computer (Windows
8.1).
I'm using JAWS 16.

So, except for those with some sight (probably quite a bit) and those with
psychological needs to inflict punishment upon themselves, I would
recommend
to people that they bypass the tempting advertisements in the Skype email
message that is likely to appear in your Inbox soon - if it has not
appeared
already.



Sent from my Yoga IdeaPad

I. Edward Marquette

Universal Phone: 408.692.5640



Mobile: 816.812.0088





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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:59:31 -0400
From: Melissa STOTT <mstott69@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: You need to update Skype. NOT!
Message-ID: <F10CBAAF-3157-404C-B3B3-C33AD9370B4A@verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I too use Skype, and have no problems. I also use the latest scripts for
Skype.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 20, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Daniel McBride via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

I second Robin. I am having no problems with Skype. I also wish to
say that Microsoft is among the more user friendly corporations for the
blind that I have found.

I wish to suggest that the email you received was a sham email not
generated
by Skype, but by a spammer.

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Robin Frost
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:48 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Robin Frost
Subject: Re: You need to update Skype. NOT!

Hi,
My goodness all of this excitement. I'm running the latest build of the
program with JFW 16 and though some things have changed all is going just
fine. I was able to explore various options, send a chat message to
someone
and even see where to initiate a call should I have wished to do so and
all
of that even without being sure I'm running the latest Skype scripts from
Doug.
Deep cleansing breaths and reasonable thought processes are a good thing.
Happy Saturday one and all.
Robin


-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Marquette via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ed Marquette
Subject: You need to update Skype. NOT!

I have never been a big fan of Skype, but the new features in Skype, as
advertised in an email message I received having a subject line similar
to
the above, made it tempting.

So, I read further. Apparently, the old Skype will no longer be
supported.

Being one always willing to jump for the bleeding edge, I gave it a try.
In
fairness, I didn't try to work with it for very long, but this has to
rank
right up there with the most inaccessible products I've seen on the
market
in the last decade. The thing brings up a list of options that one can
read, but none of them works. Even worse, Skype hangs around and cannot
be
removed even with Alt-F4. I almost entitled this message, "Is Skype
really
a virus?" Fortunately, after going to the Control Panel, it was fairly
easy
to get rid of the thing. Now, my computer is working normally, but I
really
thought I had inadvertently introduced a virus to my computer (Windows
8.1).
I'm using JAWS 16.

So, except for those with some sight (probably quite a bit) and those
with
psychological needs to inflict punishment upon themselves, I would
recommend
to people that they bypass the tempting advertisements in the Skype email
message that is likely to appear in your Inbox soon - if it has not
appeared
already.



Sent from my Yoga IdeaPad

I. Edward Marquette

Universal Phone: 408.692.5640



Mobile: 816.812.0088





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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 18:19:29 -0400
From: Maria Campbell <lucky1@ct.metrocast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: You need to update Skype. NOT!
Message-ID: <5585E6F1.3020802@ct.metrocast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

Agreed.


On 6/20/2015 5:34 PM, Daniel McBride via Jfw wrote:
I second Robin. I am having no problems with Skype. I also wish to
say that Microsoft is among the more user friendly corporations for the
blind that I have found.

I wish to suggest that the email you received was a sham email not
generated
by Skype, but by a spammer.

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Robin Frost
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:48 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Robin Frost
Subject: Re: You need to update Skype. NOT!

Hi,
My goodness all of this excitement. I'm running the latest build of the
program with JFW 16 and though some things have changed all is going just
fine. I was able to explore various options, send a chat message to
someone
and even see where to initiate a call should I have wished to do so and
all
of that even without being sure I'm running the latest Skype scripts from
Doug.
Deep cleansing breaths and reasonable thought processes are a good thing.
Happy Saturday one and all.
Robin


-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Marquette via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ed Marquette
Subject: You need to update Skype. NOT!

I have never been a big fan of Skype, but the new features in Skype, as
advertised in an email message I received having a subject line similar
to
the above, made it tempting.

So, I read further. Apparently, the old Skype will no longer be
supported.

Being one always willing to jump for the bleeding edge, I gave it a try.
In
fairness, I didn't try to work with it for very long, but this has to
rank
right up there with the most inaccessible products I've seen on the
market
in the last decade. The thing brings up a list of options that one can
read, but none of them works. Even worse, Skype hangs around and cannot
be
removed even with Alt-F4. I almost entitled this message, "Is Skype
really
a virus?" Fortunately, after going to the Control Panel, it was fairly
easy
to get rid of the thing. Now, my computer is working normally, but I
really
thought I had inadvertently introduced a virus to my computer (Windows
8.1).
I'm using JAWS 16.

So, except for those with some sight (probably quite a bit) and those
with
psychological needs to inflict punishment upon themselves, I would
recommend
to people that they bypass the tempting advertisements in the Skype email
message that is likely to appear in your Inbox soon - if it has not
appeared
already.



Sent from my Yoga IdeaPad

I. Edward Marquette

Universal Phone: 408.692.5640



Mobile: 816.812.0088





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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 15:22:49 -0700
From: "Harry Spencer" <spencer-h@sbcglobal.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007
Message-ID: <000e01d0aba7$a56915c0$f03b4140$@sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I tried it in Thunderbirde and don't believe it works. I'd be delighted if
someone proved me wrong. Harry



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:40 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7 Outlook
2007

Does this work in Thunderbird? Windows Live Mail? Other clients?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7 Outlook
2007

This surprises me. I didn?t know one could paste attachments right into the
body of an email message. Is this something new? This is the way I?ve been
doing attachments on my Mac for the past 6 years, but never knew it was
possible in Windows and Outlook. Does this only work in outlook 2013?

Thanks,

Russell
On Jun 19, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Kevin Hourigan via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

I do not have Outlook, but typically the body is where you write the main
body of your letter. In Windows Live Mail one tabs from the send to edit
box to cc, to bc, to subject, to the body of the letter. Do I understand
the directions correctly; in Outlook one just pastes an attachment in the
main body edit area?
Thanks,
Cheers Kevin.
-----Original Message----- From: O.Addison Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 5:11 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: O.Addison Gethers
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007

Hello Harry,
Man I don't know what is the body of the e-mail is? If I'm not
mistaken when you say body ,Are you mean in message ?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Harry
Spencer via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 6:14 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Harry Spencer
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Just paste in the body of the email. Harry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
O.Addison Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 2:13 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: O.Addison Gethers
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Hi Brissett,
I want to send a picture in attachment ,if I find the picture that I
want in attachment so I press ctrl + c to copy then open a new
message in e-mail to the person I want to send the picture where do I
paste the picture by press ctrl +v where in message?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bissett,
Tom via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bissett, Tom
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Or you can find the document you want to attach, copy it to the
clipboard with control+C and paste it into your email. It will put it
in as an attachment.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal
Nowicki via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 11:42 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Alt N, A, F

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
O.Addison Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 8:32 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: O.Addison Gethers
Subject: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7 Outlook
2007

Hello All,

I have jaws 16 ,window7 desktop computer and Microsoft outlook 2007 !!
I want to send someone attachment in e-mail ,How can I put attachment
in e-mail ? What is the keystroke command for created attachment ?

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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:34:53 +0200
From: Peter op t Hof <opthofp@xs4all.nl>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: You need to update Skype. NOT!
Message-ID: <55864CFD.6070001@xs4all.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

Daniel,

I had the same message and i have less problems with skype.
This is why.

I have the latest version of Jaws and a braille display.
If speech does not work, i can compensate with my fingers.
Also i use the scripts, but advertisementscreens are changing in every
update, so it is a little puzzle tofind messageboxes and dialogs.

Greetings from the Netherlands.

Peter.


Op 20-6-2015 om 23:34 schreef Daniel McBride via Jfw:
I second Robin. I am having no problems with Skype. I also wish to
say that Microsoft is among the more user friendly corporations for the
blind that I have found.

I wish to suggest that the email you received was a sham email not
generated
by Skype, but by a spammer.

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Robin Frost
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:48 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Robin Frost
Subject: Re: You need to update Skype. NOT!

Hi,
My goodness all of this excitement. I'm running the latest build of the
program with JFW 16 and though some things have changed all is going just
fine. I was able to explore various options, send a chat message to
someone
and even see where to initiate a call should I have wished to do so and
all
of that even without being sure I'm running the latest Skype scripts from
Doug.
Deep cleansing breaths and reasonable thought processes are a good thing.
Happy Saturday one and all.
Robin


-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Marquette via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ed Marquette
Subject: You need to update Skype. NOT!

I have never been a big fan of Skype, but the new features in Skype, as
advertised in an email message I received having a subject line similar
to
the above, made it tempting.

So, I read further. Apparently, the old Skype will no longer be
supported.

Being one always willing to jump for the bleeding edge, I gave it a try.
In
fairness, I didn't try to work with it for very long, but this has to
rank
right up there with the most inaccessible products I've seen on the
market
in the last decade. The thing brings up a list of options that one can
read, but none of them works. Even worse, Skype hangs around and cannot
be
removed even with Alt-F4. I almost entitled this message, "Is Skype
really
a virus?" Fortunately, after going to the Control Panel, it was fairly
easy
to get rid of the thing. Now, my computer is working normally, but I
really
thought I had inadvertently introduced a virus to my computer (Windows
8.1).
I'm using JAWS 16.

So, except for those with some sight (probably quite a bit) and those
with
psychological needs to inflict punishment upon themselves, I would
recommend
to people that they bypass the tempting advertisements in the Skype email
message that is likely to appear in your Inbox soon - if it has not
appeared
already.



Sent from my Yoga IdeaPad

I. Edward Marquette

Universal Phone: 408.692.5640



Mobile: 816.812.0088





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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 20:58:35 -0600
From: Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: You need to update Skype. NOT!
Message-ID: <BE8F78A0-DB90-4F8E-A0EF-951471361A13@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Hi Stan,

Thanks for this? I totally forgot about this. A few years ago Iused Skype
quite a lot, and had to close Skype the way you describe? thanks for the
reminder!

Russell
On Jun 20, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Stan Bobbitt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
wrote:

When I need to completely close skype I follow these steps:
1 open select a system tray icon with INSERT F11 and arrow down to skype
2 tab to right single click and hit spacebar
3 arrow down to quit and hit enter
4 you'll be asked if you're sure, tab down to quit and again hit enter

HTH
Stan B

-----Original Message----- From: Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 11:04 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: You need to update Skype. NOT!

I had the same issue with not being able to close Skype after installing.
I?m running Windows 8.1 as well, and wonder if we inadvertently installed
the Windows App version of Skype instead of the full desktop version? I?m
not to clear as to whether or not there are Windows Apps for all programs
or not. Just a thought. I hardly use Skype, so not sure if it?s working or
not? just installed the update because a window came up prompting me to
update Skype, so I did.

HTH

Russell
On Jun 20, 2015, at 8:48 AM, Robin Frost via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
wrote:

Hi,
My goodness all of this excitement. I'm running the latest build of the
program with JFW 16 and though some things have changed all is going just
fine. I was able to explore various options, send a chat message to
someone and even see where to initiate a call should I have wished to do
so and all of that even without being sure I'm running the latest Skype
scripts from Doug.
Deep cleansing breaths and reasonable thought processes are a good
thing.
Happy Saturday one and all.
Robin


-----Original Message----- From: Ed Marquette via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ed Marquette
Subject: You need to update Skype. NOT!

I have never been a big fan of Skype, but the new features in
Skype, as advertised in an email message I received having a
subject line similar to the above, made it tempting.

So, I read further. Apparently, the old Skype will no longer be
supported.

Being one always willing to jump for the bleeding edge, I gave it
a try. In fairness, I didn't try to work with it for very long,
but this has to rank right up there with the most inaccessible
products I've seen on the market in the last decade. The thing
brings up a list of options that one can read, but none of them
works. Even worse, Skype hangs around and cannot be removed even
with Alt-F4. I almost entitled this message, "Is Skype really a
virus?" Fortunately, after going to the Control Panel, it was
fairly easy to get rid of the thing. Now, my computer is working
normally, but I really thought I had inadvertently introduced a
virus to my computer (Windows 8.1). I'm using JAWS 16.

So, except for those with some sight (probably quite a bit) and
those with psychological needs to inflict punishment upon
themselves, I would recommend to people that they bypass the
tempting advertisements in the Skype email message that is likely
to appear in your Inbox soon - if it has not appeared already.



Sent from my Yoga IdeaPad

I. Edward Marquette

Universal Phone: 408.692.5640



Mobile: 816.812.0088





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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 21:01:26 -0600
From: Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007
Message-ID: <6A8A8B29-2E2F-41F4-9B95-22163B3D6B1E@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Yes, for sure I will, but that won?t happen till mid-August! :)

Russell
On Jun 20, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Let us know if it works in Groupwise.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:11 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: Re: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7 Outlook
2007

Hi Bill,

Thanks. I mostly use a Mac at home now, and at work we use Groupwise for
email, so I guess I?ve fallen a bit behind with the Outlook world! :) I
really like the method of pasting attachments directly into the body of an
email, and am glad this is possible in Windows. I?ll have to try it in
Groupwise when I go back to work, which won?t be till the middle of
August!

Thanks again Bill.

Russell
On Jun 20, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Bill White via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
wrote:

Hi, Russell. This works in Outlook 2007, 2010, and 2013.

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw"
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007


This surprises me. I didn?t know one could paste attachments right into
the body of an email message. Is this something new? This is the way
I?ve been doing attachments on my Mac for the past 6 years, but never
knew it was possible in Windows and Outlook. Does this only work in
outlook 2013?

Thanks,

Russell
On Jun 19, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Kevin Hourigan via Jfw
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

I do not have Outlook, but typically the body is where you write the
main body of your letter. In Windows Live Mail one tabs from the send
to edit box to cc, to bc, to subject, to the body of the letter. Do I
understand the directions correctly; in Outlook one just pastes an
attachment in the main body edit area?
Thanks,
Cheers Kevin.
-----Original Message----- From: O.Addison Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 5:11 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: O.Addison Gethers
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007

Hello Harry,
Man I don't know what is the body of the e-mail is? If I'm not
mistaken when you say body ,Are you mean in message ?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Harry
Spencer via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 6:14 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Harry Spencer
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Just paste in the body of the email. Harry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
O.Addison Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 2:13 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: O.Addison Gethers
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Hi Brissett,
I want to send a picture in attachment ,if I find the picture that I
want in attachment so I press ctrl + c to copy then open a new
message in e-mail to the person I want to send the picture where do
I paste the picture by press ctrl +v where in message?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Bissett, Tom via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 12:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bissett, Tom
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Or you can find the document you want to attach, copy it to the
clipboard with control+C and paste it into your email. It will put
it in as an attachment.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal
Nowicki via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 11:42 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook
2007

Alt N, A, F

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
O.Addison Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 8:32 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: O.Addison Gethers
Subject: How to send or create attachment in e-mail ? Window7
Outlook 2007

Hello All,

I have jaws 16 ,window7 desktop computer and Microsoft outlook 2007
!! I want to send someone attachment in e-mail ,How can I put
attachment in e-mail ? What is the keystroke command for created
attachment ?

Addison



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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 21:55:52 -0700
From: "Gennie Eachus" <eachusgm@sbcglobal.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Netflix
Message-ID: <002001d0aca7$b7ca2aa0$275e7fe0$@sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

When I went to Netflix today, I was welcomed to a new site. I was placed in
"application". What does that mean? Seemed to have something to do with
forms mode. One of the headings was new releases. Below that was a browse
link. When I clicked on it I was left in limbo. When I did find a list, it
was a bunch of numbers. Have not tried app on iPhone yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:41 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: Netflix

Jenny:

With Kevin's help, I did a little experimenting. When you log onto the
initial page for Netflix, tab and/or arrow down to "search" and hit the
home
button. Then hit the left mouse button and this will take you to the next
page where you will find the edit field to edit the title you seek.

I am a big fan of Star Trek (the original series and Next Generation) and
The Twilight Zone. I managed to navigate to each of these shows in the
above
manner.

Again, thanks to Kevin's earlier post, which wasn't the actual method used,
but it led the way to my ultimate solution.

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gennie Eachus
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 9:49 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Gennie Eachus
Subject: RE: Netflix

I also am having trouble with Netflix. I can no longer access the search
field. I have spoken to both the DVD customer service line and to the
streaming customer service line.

The customer service number is
(877) 742-1480
You will be asked to go online to get a service code to speed things up.
Not
necessary. Just stay on the line and someone will answer.

We all need to call Netflix about this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of carman
mccauley via Jfw
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 5:17 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: carman mccauley
Subject: RE: Netflix

Hi,

A couple of things that may help. On the profile page use the jaws cursor
to click on the profile you want. Use insert f7 to use the links list on
the movies page. I agree they messed it up.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
McBride
via Jfw
Sent: June-19-15 6:45 PM
To: Jaws User Group
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: Netflix

Dear Group:

I am new to this JAWS User Group. I am a subscriber to Netflix, who seems
to
want to make it darned difficult for screen readers to navigate.

I am operating with JAWS 14, Windows 7 and Internet Explorer. Netflix
changed things about 4 months ago that made navigation difficult without a
sighted person to use the mouse. Then, they changed again yesterday and I
cannot navigate their site at all.

Any others out there with this issue?

Daniel
Texas


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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 22:21:38 -0500
From: "Brent Harding" <brent@hostany.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Netflix
Message-ID: <1B4C9A92A7BF474384B182899158DF42@brent6cd91fc87>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

I think they're trying to make the new site more like an app than a website.

I hate these kind of sites because they shut your virtual cursor off and
leave you with little to be able to do a lot of the time.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gennie Eachus via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Gennie Eachus" <eachusgm@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:55 PM
Subject: RE: Netflix


When I went to Netflix today, I was welcomed to a new site. I was placed
in
"application". What does that mean? Seemed to have something to do with
forms mode. One of the headings was new releases. Below that was a browse
link. When I clicked on it I was left in limbo. When I did find a list,
it
was a bunch of numbers. Have not tried app on iPhone yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:41 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: Netflix

Jenny:

With Kevin's help, I did a little experimenting. When you log onto the
initial page for Netflix, tab and/or arrow down to "search" and hit the
home
button. Then hit the left mouse button and this will take you to the next
page where you will find the edit field to edit the title you seek.

I am a big fan of Star Trek (the original series and Next Generation) and
The Twilight Zone. I managed to navigate to each of these shows in the
above
manner.

Again, thanks to Kevin's earlier post, which wasn't the actual method
used,
but it led the way to my ultimate solution.

Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gennie
Eachus
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 9:49 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Gennie Eachus
Subject: RE: Netflix

I also am having trouble with Netflix. I can no longer access the search
field. I have spoken to both the DVD customer service line and to the
streaming customer service line.

The customer service number is
(877) 742-1480
You will be asked to go online to get a service code to speed things up.
Not
necessary. Just stay on the line and someone will answer.

We all need to call Netflix about this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of carman
mccauley via Jfw
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 5:17 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: carman mccauley
Subject: RE: Netflix

Hi,

A couple of things that may help. On the profile page use the jaws
cursor
to click on the profile you want. Use insert f7 to use the links list on
the movies page. I agree they messed it up.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
McBride
via Jfw
Sent: June-19-15 6:45 PM
To: Jaws User Group
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: Netflix

Dear Group:

I am new to this JAWS User Group. I am a subscriber to Netflix, who seems

to
want to make it darned difficult for screen readers to navigate.

I am operating with JAWS 14, Windows 7 and Internet Explorer. Netflix
changed things about 4 months ago that made navigation difficult without
a
sighted person to use the mouse. Then, they changed again yesterday and I
cannot navigate their site at all.

Any others out there with this issue?

Daniel
Texas


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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 03:29:29 -0400
From: Kevin Wollenweber <dancingweed@optonline.net>
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Navigating Netflix!!
Message-ID: <000001d0acbd$2ca60aa0$85f21fe0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I've noticed that people on this list are also having trouble navigating
the
"new" Netflix site. I was just going on there to "rate" a disk that I
watched, but I can't seem to get to the list of physical media I've put in
my queue. If anyone knows how to do this without the use of a blasted
mouse, please answer. I'd love to know, but I agree that blind folks in
general should get on the collective backs of customer service and find out
why this is such a chore, now.



Kevin Wollenweber

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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:31:45 -0500
From: Gery Gaubert <GGaubert@stcharlessheriff.org>
To: "'jfw@lists.the-jdh.com'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: jaws and braillepen 12
Message-ID:
<1700003A8A606F4AA98B6F322D32C4D201E34D5D3D9A@scso-mail.scso.local>
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Does jaws work with the braillepen 12? If so, how is it accomplished?
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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 17:35:01 +0000
From: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Installation of today's new JAWS release
Message-ID:
<A0DC7E0F2A2FF943A89169B1EEB635A9014211592F@EXCH2010-002.dataclonemail.local>

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When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release. Against
my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As usual, I was
required to reboot on completion. After about five minutes, I decided
something was wrong because the rebooting process got hung. So I shut down
the PC and restarted. It took a while, but eventually the PC came back to
life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a good result, but the experience brought
back bad memories of earlier JAWS releases. In the future, I'll make sure to
have sighted assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS release, just in
case. I wonder if this process went more smoothly for others.
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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:57:47 -0400
From: "Lee Anne Atkinson" <lee.atkinson@att.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of today's new JAWS release
Message-ID: <000001d0ad14$f35b9140$da12b3c0$@att.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I did the update this morning without much difficulty... I have not
noticed
much difference in Jaws but it updated easily.

Lee Anne

-----Original Message-----
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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 1:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Installation of today's new JAWS release

When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release. Against
my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As usual, I was
required to reboot on completion. After about five minutes, I decided
something was wrong because the rebooting process got hung. So I shut down
the PC and restarted. It took a while, but eventually the PC came back to
life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a good result, but the experience
brought
back bad memories of earlier JAWS releases. In the future, I'll make sure
to
have sighted assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS release, just in
case. I wonder if this process went more smoothly for others.
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Message: 28
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:12:53 -0500
From: Dennis <dennisc67@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release
Message-ID: <55885025.3010907@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

installed it on a laptop and a desktop at the same time with no trouble
what so ever.

On 6/22/2015 12:35 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:
When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release. Against
my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As usual, I was
required to reboot on completion. After about five minutes, I decided
something was wrong because the rebooting process got hung. So I shut down
the PC and restarted. It took a while, but eventually the PC came back to
life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a good result, but the experience
brought back bad memories of earlier JAWS releases. In the future, I'll
make sure to have sighted assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS
release, just in case. I wonder if this process went more smoothly for
others.
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Message: 29
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 14:18:29 -0400
From: NLG <ngezik@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release
Message-ID: <55885175.5090608@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

With the latest upgrade, I had no problems what so ever. With the prior
one I never could get it to work even after removing JFW 16 and
reinstalling a fresh.

On 6/22/2015 1:35 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:
When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release. Against
my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As usual, I was
required to reboot on completion. After about five minutes, I decided
something was wrong because the rebooting process got hung. So I shut down
the PC and restarted. It took a while, but eventually the PC came back to
life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a good result, but the experience
brought back bad memories of earlier JAWS releases. In the future, I'll
make sure to have sighted assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS
release, just in case. I wonder if this process went more smoothly for
others.
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Message: 30
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 14:06:27 -0400
From: "Londa Peterson" <lpeterson@vrocp.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of today's new JAWS release
Message-ID: <012501d0ad16$28f190b0$7ad4b210$@org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

No problems here at all. It rebooted just fine. I've had updates tell me
they couldn't install, but I've never had trouble rebooting after an
update.


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 1:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Installation of today's new JAWS release

When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release. Against
my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As usual, I was
required to reboot on completion. After about five minutes, I decided
something was wrong because the rebooting process got hung. So I shut down
the PC and restarted. It took a while, but eventually the PC came back to
life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a good result, but the experience
brought
back bad memories of earlier JAWS releases. In the future, I'll make sure
to
have sighted assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS release, just in
case. I wonder if this process went more smoothly for others.
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Message: 31
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 11:19:31 -0700
From: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of today's new JAWS release
Message-ID: <001e01d0ad17$fc74f200$f55ed600$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I also just installed the new release with no problems. My pc started up
like normal after rebuting.

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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 10:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Installation of today's new JAWS release

When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release. Against
my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As usual, I was
required to reboot on completion. After about five minutes, I decided
something was wrong because the rebooting process got hung. So I shut down
the PC and restarted. It took a while, but eventually the PC came back to
life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a good result, but the experience
brought
back bad memories of earlier JAWS releases. In the future, I'll make sure
to
have sighted assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS release, just in
case. I wonder if this process went more smoothly for others.
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Message: 32
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 11:00:34 -0700
From: <mitch@orbitelcom.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release
Message-ID: <47F698BCB3834C81A9E58AC09BF884D9@DavidHP>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8";
reply-type=original

Hi Adrian, The patch install failed with a notice to run a repair on my
current JAWS 16, the most current build prior to today's notice.
This has not happened to me before so, for now, I will wait for further
developments. Mitch

?No sense being pessimistic. It wouldn't work anyway.?
Unknown

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 10:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Installation of today's new JAWS release

When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release. Against
my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As usual, I was
required to reboot on completion. After about five minutes, I decided
something was wrong because the rebooting process got hung. So I shut down
the PC and restarted. It took a while, but eventually the PC came back to
life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a good result, but the experience brought

back bad memories of earlier JAWS releases. In the future, I'll make sure to

have sighted assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS release, just in
case. I wonder if this process went more smoothly for others.
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Message: 33
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 14:39:23 -0400
From: "Stan Holdeman" <sholdeman@msn.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release
Message-ID: <SNT147-DS2167CBF089F0A5699F14CFBEA10@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

No installation problems. So far, so good.

Stan


-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 1:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Installation of today's new JAWS release

When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release. Against
my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As usual, I was
required to reboot on completion. After about five minutes, I decided
something was wrong because the rebooting process got hung. So I shut down
the PC and restarted. It took a while, but eventually the PC came back to
life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a good result, but the experience brought

back bad memories of earlier JAWS releases. In the future, I'll make sure to

have sighted assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS release, just in
case. I wonder if this process went more smoothly for others.
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Message: 34
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 14:40:27 -0400
From: "Londa Peterson" <lpeterson@vrocp.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of today's new JAWS release
Message-ID: <000001d0ad1a$e890e7f0$b9b2b7d0$@org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

In that case the best thing to do is to download the full installation
package from the FS website and run it. This often works when the check for
updates feature doesn't.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of mitch--- via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 2:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: mitch@orbitelcom.com
Subject: Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release

Hi Adrian, The patch install failed with a notice to run a repair on my
current JAWS 16, the most current build prior to today's notice.
This has not happened to me before so, for now, I will wait for further
developments. Mitch

?No sense being pessimistic. It wouldn't work anyway.?
Unknown

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 10:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Installation of today's new JAWS release

When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release. Against
my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As usual, I was
required to reboot on completion. After about five minutes, I decided
something was wrong because the rebooting process got hung. So I shut down
the PC and restarted. It took a while, but eventually the PC came back to
life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a good result, but the experience brought

back bad memories of earlier JAWS releases. In the future, I'll make sure to

have sighted assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS release, just in
case. I wonder if this process went more smoothly for others.
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Message: 35
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:48:05 -0500
From: "Daniel McBride" <dlmlaw@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Jaws User Group" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: installation of today's new release from JAWS
Message-ID: <003801d0ad1c$038ce800$0aa6b800$@sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I am still using JAWS 14 on a PC, with Windows 7 and Microsoft
Office/Outlook 2010. Is today's release an update that I need to download?




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Message: 36
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:49:48 -0500
From: "Daniel McBride" <dlmlaw@sbcglobal.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of today's new JAWS release
Message-ID: <004001d0ad1c$37822530$a6866f90$@sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

If this new release does not automatically appear on my desktop, where do I
go to get the download?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lee Anne
Atkinson via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 12:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Lee Anne Atkinson
Subject: RE: Installation of today's new JAWS release

I did the update this morning without much difficulty... I have not
noticed
much difference in Jaws but it updated easily.

Lee Anne

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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 1:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Installation of today's new JAWS release

When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release. Against
my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As usual, I was
required to reboot on completion. After about five minutes, I decided
something was wrong because the rebooting process got hung. So I shut down
the PC and restarted. It took a while, but eventually the PC came back to
life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a good result, but the experience
brought
back bad memories of earlier JAWS releases. In the future, I'll make sure
to
have sighted assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS release, just in
case. I wonder if this process went more smoothly for others.
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Message: 37
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 14:21:52 -0500
From: Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@icloud.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: installation of today's new release from JAWS
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Probably not.

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McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 1:48 PM
To: Jaws User Group
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: installation of today's new release from JAWS

I am still using JAWS 14 on a PC, with Windows 7 and Microsoft
Office/Outlook 2010. Is today's release an update that I need to download?


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Message: 38
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 14:25:27 -0500
From: Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@icloud.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of today's new JAWS release
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To see if you have the latest update for JAWS 14, open the JAWS help menu
and select "check for updates." This works in all versions of JAWS that
have
come out since the feature was introduced several years ago.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 1:50 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: Installation of today's new JAWS release

If this new release does not automatically appear on my desktop, where do I
go to get the download?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lee Anne
Atkinson via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 12:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Lee Anne Atkinson
Subject: RE: Installation of today's new JAWS release

I did the update this morning without much difficulty... I have not
noticed
much difference in Jaws but it updated easily.

Lee Anne

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 1:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Installation of today's new JAWS release

When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release. Against
my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As usual, I was
required to reboot on completion. After about five minutes, I decided
something was wrong because the rebooting process got hung. So I shut down
the PC and restarted. It took a while, but eventually the PC came back to
life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a good result, but the experience
brought
back bad memories of earlier JAWS releases. In the future, I'll make sure
to
have sighted assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS release, just in
case. I wonder if this process went more smoothly for others.
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Message: 39
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 14:26:05 -0500
From: Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@icloud.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of today's new JAWS release
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Installation went smoothly for me.

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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 12:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Installation of today's new JAWS release

When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release. Against
my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As usual, I was
required to reboot on completion. After about five minutes, I decided
something was wrong because the rebooting process got hung. So I shut down
the PC and restarted. It took a while, but eventually the PC came back to
life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a good result, but the experience
brought
back bad memories of earlier JAWS releases. In the future, I'll make sure
to
have sighted assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS release, just in
case. I wonder if this process went more smoothly for others.
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Message: 40
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:02:42 -0700
From: Crist?bal <crismunoz54@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: installation of today's new release from JAWS
Message-ID: <018601d0ad26$67207fd0$35617f70$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

JFW 16. Not applicable to older versions of Jaws.

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McBride
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 11:48 AM
To: Jaws User Group
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: installation of today's new release from JAWS

I am still using JAWS 14 on a PC, with Windows 7 and Microsoft
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Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release

cecropia64
 

Mine went okay too. No problems here

On 6/22/2015 7:30 PM, Melissa Stott via Jfw wrote:
I haven't had any problems with the automatic update either, and I have used that ever since it became available.

-----Original Message----- From: Michael B. via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 3:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Michael B.
Subject: Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release

Hi Adrian,

Did you use the Jaws automatic updater? If so, that is most likely the
problem. I sent another message to the list with the direct download links
& what's new in this latest release.
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 10:35 AM
Subject: Installation of today's new JAWS release


When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release. Against
my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As usual, I was
required to reboot on completion. After about five minutes, I decided
something was wrong because the rebooting process got hung. So I shut down
the PC and restarted. It took a while, but eventually the PC came back to
life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a good result, but the experience brought
back bad memories of earlier JAWS releases. In the future, I'll make sure to
have sighted assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS release, just in
case. I wonder if this process went more smoothly for others.
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Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release

Melissa Stott <mstott69@...>
 

I haven't had any problems with the automatic update either, and I have used that ever since it became available.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael B. via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 3:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Michael B.
Subject: Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release

Hi Adrian,

Did you use the Jaws automatic updater? If so, that is most likely the
problem. I sent another message to the list with the direct download links
& what's new in this latest release.
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 10:35 AM
Subject: Installation of today's new JAWS release


When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release. Against
my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As usual, I was
required to reboot on completion. After about five minutes, I decided
something was wrong because the rebooting process got hung. So I shut down
the PC and restarted. It took a while, but eventually the PC came back to
life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a good result, but the experience brought
back bad memories of earlier JAWS releases. In the future, I'll make sure to
have sighted assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS release, just in
case. I wonder if this process went more smoothly for others.
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Keeping Up With Technology

Kevin Wollenweber <dancingweed@...>
 

You know, with all the hardships that I read within this EList, especially
regarding Netflix and other such sites-I know I'm having my share of woes
regarding these-I think the fault lay not only with sites like Netflix that
change configurations as often as they change their underwear, but also with
Freedom Scientific for not keeping the programs compatible and current with
a lot of new programs and changing graphics. If screenreaders were able to
recognize changing graphics, I think things would be a lot more accessible.
No one saw this Netflix change coming; I mean, the site is definitely
changed completely to the point where I cannot find my DVD queue; if they
were phasing out the DVD queue, news of this should have been announced to
subscribers long ago, but if this is merely a configuration issue where more
is made of graphics, well, then I guess that, right now, they'll lose a lot
of subscribers who can't figure out the situation, but my hope is that
screenreading software is keeping up with the times, because they're
certainly *NOT* slowing down for us.



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Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release

Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
 

I always use the automatic updater and have not had any problems with it for
years.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael B. via
Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 2:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Michael B.
Subject: Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release

Hi Adrian,

Did you use the Jaws automatic updater? If so, that is most likely the
problem. I sent another message to the list with the direct download links
& what's new in this latest release.
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 10:35 AM
Subject: Installation of today's new JAWS release


When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release. Against
my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As usual, I was
required to reboot on completion. After about five minutes, I decided
something was wrong because the rebooting process got hung. So I shut down
the PC and restarted. It took a while, but eventually the PC came back to
life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a good result, but the experience brought

back bad memories of earlier JAWS releases. In the future, I'll make sure to

have sighted assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS release, just in
case. I wonder if this process went more smoothly for others.
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Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release

Adrian Spratt
 

Thanks. Useful observation and, as always, good advice.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 4:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Soronel Haetir
Subject: Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release

Hi,

I've noticed lately that most reboots after installation take
significantly longer than I would expect (even taking into account
that reboot after install won't have the normal decreased boot time
associated with win8.1). Given how simply turning off a booting system
is one of the few remaining ways to mess up an operating system
install I would suggest waiting much longer than five minutes before
assuming that the reboot is hung. My jaws upgrade took close to that
today and I've had a few MS updates take more than 20 minutes after
reboot, but the point is that the system did eventually come around.

On 6/22/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release. Against
my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As usual, I was
required to reboot on completion. After about five minutes, I decided
something was wrong because the rebooting process got hung. So I shut down
the PC and restarted. It took a while, but eventually the PC came back to
life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a good result, but the experience brought
back bad memories of earlier JAWS releases. In the future, I'll make sure to
have sighted assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS release, just in
case. I wonder if this process went more smoothly for others.
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Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release

Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
 

Unlike earlier versions, Windows 8.1 installs security updates automatically
upon system shut down or restart when such updates are available. This may
explain why it sometimes takes longer for computers to reboot following a
JAWS update

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 3:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Soronel Haetir
Subject: Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release

Hi,

I've noticed lately that most reboots after installation take significantly
longer than I would expect (even taking into account that reboot after
install won't have the normal decreased boot time associated with win8.1).
Given how simply turning off a booting system is one of the few remaining
ways to mess up an operating system install I would suggest waiting much
longer than five minutes before assuming that the reboot is hung. My jaws
upgrade took close to that today and I've had a few MS updates take more
than 20 minutes after reboot, but the point is that the system did
eventually come around.

On 6/22/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release.
Against my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As
usual, I was required to reboot on completion. After about five
minutes, I decided something was wrong because the rebooting process
got hung. So I shut down the PC and restarted. It took a while, but
eventually the PC came back to life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a
good result, but the experience brought back bad memories of earlier
JAWS releases. In the future, I'll make sure to have sighted
assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS release, just in case. I
wonder if this process went more smoothly for others.
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Re: Installation of today's new JAWS release

Soronel Haetir
 

Hi,

I've noticed lately that most reboots after installation take
significantly longer than I would expect (even taking into account
that reboot after install won't have the normal decreased boot time
associated with win8.1). Given how simply turning off a booting system
is one of the few remaining ways to mess up an operating system
install I would suggest waiting much longer than five minutes before
assuming that the reboot is hung. My jaws upgrade took close to that
today and I've had a few MS updates take more than 20 minutes after
reboot, but the point is that the system did eventually come around.

On 6/22/15, Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
When I rebooted an hour ago, I was notified of a new JAWS release. Against
my better judgment, I went ahead with the installation. As usual, I was
required to reboot on completion. After about five minutes, I decided
something was wrong because the rebooting process got hung. So I shut down
the PC and restarted. It took a while, but eventually the PC came back to
life and JAWS reloaded. Ultimately a good result, but the experience brought
back bad memories of earlier JAWS releases. In the future, I'll make sure to
have sighted assistance nearby when I install a new JAWS release, just in
case. I wonder if this process went more smoothly for others.
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