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Re: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Londa Peterson
 

Press insert + V to go into quick settings. Type "ribbon" in the search box.
Virtual ribbon menus will be the first thing you'll see. Press the spacebar
to toggle the setting. Press enter. You might have to press it twice. It's
not as good as a shortcut key, but it's better than using the start up
wizard.

-----Original Message-----
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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:43 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Martz
Subject: RE: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
-Paul



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Re: Track changes in Word 2007/2013

Kimber Gardner
 

Track changes are, quite honestly, a pain in the butt with any version
of jaws. It can be done, but you will need patience and perseverance.

Now having said that, what I've done is place accept and reject
changes on the quick access toolbar so I can use control key
combinations to perform these functions. The whole operation is still
a bit clunky, and there are times when you will need to use your jaws
functions to list revisions and the like. But it can be done.

Kimber

On 5/12/15, Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,

What is the most efficient way to use track changes in MS Word 2013 or
2007 using Jaws 16? It seems a little tedious to bring up a list of
revisions with shift + Insert + R and then work through all the listed
insertions and deletions one by one, especially in a long document. Is
there a way to accept or reject a change and then jump directly to the
next revision and so on without having to bring up the list again?

Any suggestions for using track changes more efficiently would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks all.

Russell

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Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Ann Byrne
 

If you send me your email address, I will send you an inclusive list of Excel keytip commands.

At 12:09 PM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Sorry I misunderstood, thought you were talking about the ribbon in Office 10.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Jimmy Jones" <jawsstudent@verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


I believe you are talking about the virtual ribbon. FS created that to be
used by those who had ribbonfolbia. Which is a fear of using the ribbon.
There was allot of that when the ribbon first came out. The virtual ribbon
creates a sort of XP menu style which is substituted for the ribbon itself.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Paul Martz via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Martz
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Keith, with Office 10, I have copied a list and have it in a pull-out drawer at hand. I was so familiar with so much in Office 2003, but when I got this ribbon deal, well, I just had to keep my notes at hand. Since I plan to get a brand new system at the end of the year, I haven't taken the instructions and worked on memorizing them. The ribbon deal doesn't make sense to me, I've just found out stuff I needed to do and made note of them.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." <kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:09 PM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Turning off updates

Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@...>
 

Hi All,



I am interested in turning off updates, like from Dell, etc. I am wondering
if the constant message on my screen indicating an update, could be part of
the reason my computer keeps freezing for short periods of time? Your input
on how to turn off updates would be appreciated.



Thanks,



Barbara H.



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Re: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Dave...
 

Paul
No, unless freedom scientific have change something, first letter navigation does not work with virtual ribbon menu.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature.

On May 13, 2015, at 11:42, Paul Martz via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
-Paul



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Re: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Jimmy Jones
 

Press insert+V, then type "r I" the virtual ribbon choice should pop up.
Press down arrow and press space bar to switch its status.

-----Original Message-----
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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:43 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Martz
Subject: RE: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
-Paul



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Re: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
-Paul


Re: HJPad

Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@...>
 

That is very true.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: HJPad

The point is that no one even knows that folder exists nor the programs in
it until an extensive exploration.

On 5/13/2015 10:08 AM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw wrote:
Is it FS, or is it the way 8.X stores files?

Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 5:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: HJPad

That's incredible!
Why on earth would Freedom Scientific want to hide all those programs in
such a ridiculous manner?
Why not name that folder something more meaningful such as ... I don't
know.
Let's have a contest to come up with a more meaningful folder name and
suggest it to FS?

On 5/11/2015 4:52 PM, Londa Peterson via Jfw wrote:
I recently saw that someone was wanting to find HJPad and couldn't do
so. In Windows 7, this is fairly easy, but not so in Windows 8.1. I
got curious, so I started looking around. I finally found it, and here's
how I did it.

1. Press the Windows key to get to the start screen if you aren't
already there.

2. Tab once. You will land on a button that says apps.

3. Press the space bar to activate this button.

4. You will then be presented with a very long list of everything
that
is on your computer. Type jaws. It will automatically go into the
search box.

5. Start arrowing down. The item you want is called "utilities JAWS
16." I assume if you're using a different version number you would
find the same thing with the number of your JAWS version. I only have
16 on the particular machine I tested on.

6. Press enter on this item, and you will find all of the things
you
used to find in the JAWS program group in all programs on older
versions of Windows.

Hope this helps someone out.

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Re: Necessity For Java?

Ryan Coverdell
 

I would rather listen to streaming audio via a default player like
windows media or real player. But many streaming audio, (especially
major sites like IHEART media, require some sort of web-based player.
So if you use your computer for streaming audio it might be good to
leave java installed. I'm not a tech person, but I have found that
sometimes small changes you make in a set-up can have consequences you
might not know about for a while. So I would somehow turn off the
up-dates but not uninstall it unless you're sure that you don't need
it for the programs you use. Regards, Ryan Coverdell from
Montana

On 5/13/15, Tom Behler via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hello, everyone.



I am posting this quiry to both the JFW list, and the Jaws users list, so I
hope this is ok.



My question is as follows: How necessary is Java for today's computer
applications?



I seem to be having a problem with constant updates slowing down my
computer, and getting in the way of Jaws, and am seriously considering
uninstalling Java.



Any thoughts would be appreciated.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan





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Re: HJPad

Barbara Hansen <the2skibears@...>
 

I can't answer the question concerning if it is the way FS or 8.x storing
files, but Londa Peterson's directions finally helped me locate the HJ pad.
I think someone, can't remember who on this list, suggested helps for saving
HJ pad to the desktop. The exact directions for saving to desktop didn't
work, but I was able to successfully save HJ pad to the desktop. I feel that
I am beginning to get this 8.1 computer similar to my older pc. If I could
just get my email program to stop freezing or whatever it's lagging is,
things would be great. I did delete cookies, but am still having that
problem.

I appreciate all of you on this list so much. This has been such a
tremendous help to me, considering my intermediate computer skills.

Have a wonderful day.

Barbara Hansen

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(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:09 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: HJPad

Is it FS, or is it the way 8.X stores files?

Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 5:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: HJPad

That's incredible!
Why on earth would Freedom Scientific want to hide all those programs in
such a ridiculous manner?
Why not name that folder something more meaningful such as ... I don't know.
Let's have a contest to come up with a more meaningful folder name and
suggest it to FS?

On 5/11/2015 4:52 PM, Londa Peterson via Jfw wrote:
I recently saw that someone was wanting to find HJPad and couldn't do
so. In Windows 7, this is fairly easy, but not so in Windows 8.1. I
got curious, so I started looking around. I finally found it, and here's
how I did it.

1. Press the Windows key to get to the start screen if you aren't
already there.

2. Tab once. You will land on a button that says apps.

3. Press the space bar to activate this button.

4. You will then be presented with a very long list of everything
that
is on your computer. Type jaws. It will automatically go into the
search box.

5. Start arrowing down. The item you want is called "utilities JAWS
16." I assume if you're using a different version number you would
find the same thing with the number of your JAWS version. I only have
16 on the particular machine I tested on.

6. Press enter on this item, and you will find all of the things you
used to find in the JAWS program group in all programs on older
versions of Windows.

Hope this helps someone out.

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Re: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Londa Peterson
 

Thanks Dave,

I should've changed it. Actually you can use true first letter navigation in
the virtual ribbons. You still have to press enter when you find the item
you want, but you can press the first letter of that item until you find it.
If you remember a lot of the Word shortcuts, though, the regular ribbons are
better. I don't remember very many of them, so I use hot keys that I've
known forever. I also use a lot of the Office 2003 shortcuts which still
work. I also highly customize my quick access toolbar. There are certainly
pro's and con's no matter which way you go.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Changed the subject line for Paul.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 09:08 AM
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like
the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do
standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use
it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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From: "Paul Martz via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Re: Necessity For Java?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Not if you want to use the sites I mentioned earlier which need Java. There is a Firefox-specific Java application on the Oracle website.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:15 AM
Subject: RE: Necessity For Java?


Could those issues with IE be dealt with effectively by just switching to
firefox as my main browser?

Dr. Tom Behler


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via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: James Malone
Subject: RE: Necessity For Java?

Its more for the browser then anything else.
Without it, it create issues in IE.

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I'm not an expert by any means but I uninstalled it quite a while back and
haven't had an issue. Besides this, all the hoopla about how unsecure it is
made me get rid of it. You just don't need it unless you have applications
that require it. Why bother with it if you don't have anything that uses
it.

On 5/13/2015 11:18 AM, Tom Behler via Jfw wrote:
Hello, everyone.



I am posting this quiry to both the JFW list, and the Jaws users list,
so I hope this is ok.



My question is as follows: How necessary is Java for today's computer
applications?



I seem to be having a problem with constant updates slowing down my
computer, and getting in the way of Jaws, and am seriously considering
uninstalling Java.



Any thoughts would be appreciated.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan





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Re: Necessity For Java?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Tom. I personally have Java, and it is helpful for some sites, such as those where one puts in a zip code to get a location of a restaurant. It is also helpful for some sites which test Internet speed.

But generally, it isn't needed all that often. Besides, if you suddenly find you need it, it is easily found and reinstalled.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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Subject: Necessity For Java?


Hello, everyone.



I am posting this quiry to both the JFW list, and the Jaws users list, so I
hope this is ok.



My question is as follows: How necessary is Java for today's computer
applications?



I seem to be having a problem with constant updates slowing down my
computer, and getting in the way of Jaws, and am seriously considering
uninstalling Java.



Any thoughts would be appreciated.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan





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Re: Necessity For Java?

Merv Keck <blind5sparrow@...>
 

Hi,

I have two Windows seven sixty four bit laptops. One has never had java and
one has not had Java for about a year now. I have never had issues except
once when trying to install a second screen reader for kicks only to use as
a backup and it for some unknown reason wanted to install Java Bridge and
kept looking for Java. After I got through the install though everything
went fine and it never looked for Java again. I had one small web app that
used java but I just switched to something that did not use Java and I was
good to go. It wasn't that jaws friendly anyway so I was glad to see it go.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Londa Peterson
 

I use the virtual ribbon, and I certainly don't have ribbonphobia. I know
how to use them, and I make sure my students do as well. I just find it
easier to get at some of the options that are buried deep in submenus easier
to find with the virtual ribbon. I also like the way the virtual ribbons put
the different groups on the ribbon into submenus. It just works better for
me. I switch interfaces at will.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Jones
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:15 PM
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Cc: Jimmy Jones
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?

I believe you are talking about the virtual ribbon. FS created that to be
used by those who had ribbonfolbia. Which is a fear of using the ribbon.
There was allot of that when the ribbon first came out. The virtual ribbon
creates a sort of XP menu style which is substituted for the ribbon itself.

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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:17 AM
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Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Re: HJPad

Londa Peterson
 

It does come in handy on a computer that doesn't have Word though. I also
like the training tools that are included. It's a great way to teach
students how to handle various dialog controls and other such things. It's
certainly not a replacement for Word.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:02 PM
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Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: RE: HJPad

Thanks, Mitchell.

This helps greatly!

Dr. Tom Behler


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:58 PM
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Subject: RE: HJPad

Dear All,

Here's my take on HJPad: If you have any version of Microsoft Word, there's
no need to use HJPad at all, unless you really want a word processor with
standard menus that has a spell checker. If you do choose to use HJPad,
however, it probably won't help you at work or school because of the lack of
advanced features like tables, footnotes and endnotes, comments and track
changes, etc.

Michal

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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:17 AM
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Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: RE: HJPad

Thanks for the clarification on H J pad, Ted.

I'm going to play around with it here with I get the time, to see how it
might be used in my current situation.

Dr. Tom Behler


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:54 AM
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: HJPad

It's that, but FS also conceived of it as a training tool. Some JAWS
training exercises are built around it.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:07 AM
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Cc: Tom Behler
Subject: RE: HJPad

Please forgive this question, but what exactly is HJ pad, and what is its
purpose?

I thought it was a simple text editor, which I typically do via Notepad in
Microsoft.

Am I missing something?

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 11:56 PM
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Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: HJPad

Keith,

I suggest you reinstall JAWS. Sounds like something was corrupted or
interrupted.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." <kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 06:19 PM
Subject: RE: HJPad


I followed this path in Windows Explorer and the HJPad.exe was not there.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 7:42 PM
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Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: HJPad

Keith,

This is not part of Win 7, it is part of JAWS. Here's the location for
JAWS16 on a Win 7 installation:

C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\16.0\HJPAD.EXE

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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Cc: "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." <kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 05:02 PM
Subject: RE: HJPad


I give up. Where is it in Windows 7? I can't find it. Keith

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 3:53 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Londa Peterson
Subject: HJPad

I recently saw that someone was wanting to find HJPad and couldn't do so. In
Windows 7, this is fairly easy, but not so in Windows 8.1. I got curious, so
I started looking around. I finally found it, and here's how I did it.

1. Press the Windows key to get to the start screen if you aren't
already there.

2. Tab once. You will land on a button that says apps.

3. Press the space bar to activate this button.

4. You will then be presented with a very long list of everything that
is on your computer. Type jaws. It will automatically go into the search
box.

5. Start arrowing down. The item you want is called "utilities JAWS
16." I assume if you're using a different version number you would find the
same thing with the number of your JAWS version. I only have 16 on the
particular machine I tested on.

6. Press enter on this item, and you will find all of the things you
used to find in the JAWS program group in all programs on older versions of
Windows.

Hope this helps someone out.

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Re: HJPad

Gennie Eachus <eachusgm@...>
 

According to F.S. it is the way eight does things. Had to call them to learn
how to find hjpad.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 7:09 AM
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Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: HJPad

Is it FS, or is it the way 8.X stores files?

Ted
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 5:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: HJPad

That's incredible!
Why on earth would Freedom Scientific want to hide all those programs in
such a ridiculous manner?
Why not name that folder something more meaningful such as ... I don't know.
Let's have a contest to come up with a more meaningful folder name and
suggest it to FS?

On 5/11/2015 4:52 PM, Londa Peterson via Jfw wrote:
I recently saw that someone was wanting to find HJPad and couldn't do
so. In Windows 7, this is fairly easy, but not so in Windows 8.1. I
got curious, so I started looking around. I finally found it, and here's
how I did it.

1. Press the Windows key to get to the start screen if you aren't
already there.

2. Tab once. You will land on a button that says apps.

3. Press the space bar to activate this button.

4. You will then be presented with a very long list of everything
that
is on your computer. Type jaws. It will automatically go into the
search box.

5. Start arrowing down. The item you want is called "utilities JAWS
16." I assume if you're using a different version number you would
find the same thing with the number of your JAWS version. I only have
16 on the particular machine I tested on.

6. Press enter on this item, and you will find all of the things you
used to find in the JAWS program group in all programs on older
versions of Windows.

Hope this helps someone out.

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Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Dave...
 

I believe that Freedom Scientific has an on-line training module on
navigating the ribbon.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't
seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking
for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like
the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do
standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use
it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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