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FW: control R deletes message

judith bron
 

I'm inclined to agree with you. This computer is totally messed up. Right
now I'm trying to publish something and this control R thing, usually a knee
jerk reaction when responding to an email, is driving me up the wall.
Thanks, JB

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Melissa Stott
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 8:30 AM
To: Kimber Gardner; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: control R deletes message

This sounds like a computer issue to me.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kimber Gardner via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 4:54 AM
To: Judith Bron ; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: control R deletes message

Judith,

What mail program are you using?

Kimber

On 7/1/14, Judith Bron via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote:
When I want to respond to an email and hit control R the message is
deleted.
I look for it in the deleted items folder but it isn't there. Did
this evdever happen to anyone? I took your advice and replaced my
keyboard so I don't think it's this brand new keyboard. Any help
would be appreciated.
Judith

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Re: control R deletes message

Melissa Stott <mstott69@...>
 

This sounds like a computer issue to me.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kimber Gardner via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 4:54 AM
To: Judith Bron ; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: control R deletes message

Judith,

What mail program are you using?

Kimber

On 7/1/14, Judith Bron via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote:
When I want to respond to an email and hit control R the message is
deleted.
I look for it in the deleted items folder but it isn't there. Did this
evdever happen to anyone? I took your advice and replaced my keyboard so I
don't think it's this brand new keyboard. Any help would be appreciated.
Judith

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For Kimmer

judith bron
 

Happened again. I hit control(a knee jerk reaction) to respond and it
disappeared. I'm working in Outlook express.

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Re: Revo Uninstaller

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I haven't used Revo on Win 7 yet, but was always afraid to give it its head. I formerly used the registry cleaner with Norton religiously, until things got out of hand one day. I never knew what happened, but I wound up having to do a complete reinstall of 98, so this was a while back.

What about older versions of programs. At some point, I'll uninstall older versions of Office. Will a complete uninstall affect one's current version? Here's where I give FS extra points for having the best self-contained uninstall routine I've ever worked with, including the ability to repair the current installation once you're done.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS) via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 7:20 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. (jfw@...)
Subject: Revo Uninstaller

I have a solution/response to the separate question about Revo Uninstaller, that was in an email string today on a different subject. The question was:

"Is there a way to make Revo Uninstaller Jaws-friendly, so all the controls are easier to select from and activate, and I don't just find a Cancel and Back Button?"

With review mode, I am able to easily operate those otherwise inaccessible Revo Uninstaller buttons that were mentioned as requiring sighted assistance. Below I will explain how I do it, although there may be other ways. I consider myself technically challenged, so keep that in mind. If anyone wants to know more specifics, please contact me off list and we can chat by phone.

Tim Ford


Operating Revo Uninstaller with JAWS

Note. I am using version 1.95, and the latest of JAWS version 15. I am on a Windows 7 machine, and prior to that, I used Revo Uninstaller on an XP home edition machine. I intentionally decline Revo's offer to update the software. This version works for me, so why bother getting more current and then finding out that a new version is inaccessible? End of note.

When you launch Revo Uninstaller, hereinafter called Revo, you will find yourself at the top of the list of programs. The list is in alphabetical order. First letter navigation works, so for example, pressing the s key takes you to the first program in the list that starts with s. Use the arrow keys to move through the list. You need to use all four arrow key directions when navigating this list, since the left and right arrow key navigation does not jump rows.
When on the program you want, press the application key, or alternatively, the shift f10 key sequence. This gives you a list of most of Revo's features. The first item on the list is "uninstall", and is of course the most common item to select. But take the time to go down the list to see some very nice other options. For example, you can find out more about the program through options on the list such as doing a Google search, or going to the web site for the program creator. Use these options unless you are absolutely sure you do not need that program! Another handy item is the option to remove that program from Revo's list. There are many programs that most of us will not want to ever touch, so this option allows you to have on your list only those programs you may want to remove; it does not uninstall or remove anything from the program, it just hides it so you don't waste time arrowing through the same stuff again and again.
Now back to the uninstall option. Press enter to start that, and you will get a warning screen with yes and no buttons. You can either use the tab and enter key to move amongst the buttons and activate the one you want. Or, pressing the y key will activate the yes button, and the d key activates the no button.

What happens next will depend upon the program you are removing, so just listen carefully to what JAWS is telling you. The JAWS key and b usually does a good job of repeating the important text.



When Revo tells you to select the level of uninstall, tab once to a vertical list with the three options, low, moderate, and high. High is the most aggressive in terms of removing registry items. It is also the mode that seems to make Revo superior to the standard Windows uninstall process found under the control panel. I always use the highest uninstall mode, and have never had a problem. So select the mode with the up and down arrows, then tab once and activate the OK button.

Note, I am now going from memory for the rest of these instructions, since I don't actually want to uninstall any programs, so please do not take me completely literally; I may not exactly remember how JAWS names the buttons, but the description below will be close enough.

The JAWS access problems seem to come up after Revo has uninstalled the program, and prompts you on whether you want to search the registry for leftover items. Unless you realize you did something wrong, you do want to have Revo continue with this step. After all, if you don't use this option, you don't need to use Revo.

I believe the first prompt uses a next button to continue, and JAWS will see this button, so press enter on it. If you are not sure where you are, use the tab and shift tab, pressing enter to activate.

At this stage I recommend you now go into JAWS review mode, and stay in review mode until you get to and select the "finish" button. When in review mode, all the important information is clear and easily read with the arrow keys. I recommend using control with left or right arrow, which takes you nicely from word to word. This also ensures that you are at the proper place to do the left click. When you want to activate a given command, use the JAWS keystroke for a left mouse click.

One step will be the option of selecting all items that Revo recommends be removed from the registry and elsewhere on your computer. (Revo also lists each such item slated for removal, but the descriptions are beyond my level of technical knowledge. I have always pressed the select-all button, and have never had a problem.)

Select the option you want by the left mouse click keystroke. When clicking on that select-all button, you will not hear any feedback from JAWS, but take it on faith that you have made that selection. Move forward to the "delete" button and click on it. JAWS will warn you that this is going to remove the listed stuff, and it tells you to press yes or no to proceed. You can press the y key for yes, n key for no, or you can manually move to the button you want and click on it.

When Revo has deleted all that stuff, it will often times show a zero in the number of items left, which makes sense, but Revo confusingly asks you to select or de-select the listed options. Go through the same steps above about selecting and hitting the delete button. You will often fine that in a second pass, Revo has found more stuff it recommends you delete. I have had as many as three passes before it catches everything, but most often the second pass is all you need. When Revo finds nothing more, you will then see a "finish" button, with a congratulations message that you are done. When you click on the finish button, Revo will immediately pop up into the list of programs, ready to start again. If you are done, just exit with alt-f4.

That is it. It is actually pretty easy once you do the steps a few times, and that is coming from someone who is at best considered average in terms of JAWS skills.
This is the end of the basic instructions. If you contact me off list, I will be glad to help, either via email or on the phone.

Sincerely,
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Re: JAWS 16

Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Well it make sense anyway, because if Microsoft drop support for xp,
of corse these guys will follow.

On 02/07/2014, Chris Smart via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote:
as far as I know, pricing is not changing although yes, I heard all
the below points straight from tweets of the Jaws 16
presentation. No more XP support in 16. I can hear the wailing already.
LOL

At 09:41 PM 7/1/2014, you wrote:
Indirectly, I received an email from someone at the NFB convention
saying that FS has announced that JAWS 16 will not support XP.
Anyone using XP might want to contact FS for confirmation.

That same email states that JAWS Standard will now be renamed JAWS
Home and will be operable on Pro systems. FS will require the more
expensive version of JAWS only for commercial purposes. I don't know
how this will be enforced, but at first blush, it sounds as though
pricing could become a little fairer and more rational.

I don't like to post claims I've read only third hand, but I'm doing
so here because if these two points are true, they could affect some
listers' purchasing decisions in the near future. I, for one, will
select the cheaper SMA the next time mine expires if this new JAWS
Home development comes about. Again, anyone affected should contact
FS to confirm.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Doris
&Hubby Chris via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 8:09 PM
To: Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS); The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Revo Uninstaller

Hi,

i use jaws 13 on win xp with free revo's latest version and can
access any revo option required with just the system cursor of both
jaws and nvda.

hth

DorisAt 07:20 PM 7/1/2014, you wrote:
I have a solution/response to the separate question about Revo
Uninstaller, that was in an email string today on a different
subject. The question was:

"Is there a way to make Revo Uninstaller Jaws-friendly, so all the
controls are easier to select from and activate, and I don't just find
a Cancel and Back Button?"

With review mode, I am able to easily operate those otherwise
inaccessible Revo Uninstaller buttons that were mentioned as
requiring sighted assistance. Below I will explain how I do it,
although there may be other ways. I consider myself technically
challenged, so keep that in mind. If anyone wants to know more
specifics, please contact me off list and we can chat by phone.

Tim Ford


Operating Revo Uninstaller with JAWS

Note. I am using version 1.95, and the latest of JAWS version
15. I am on a Windows 7 machine, and prior to that, I used Revo
Uninstaller on an XP home edition machine. I intentionally decline
Revo's offer to update the software. This version works for me, so
why bother getting more current and then finding out that a new
version is inaccessible? End of note.

When you launch Revo Uninstaller, hereinafter called Revo, you will
find yourself at the top of the list of programs. The list is in
alphabetical order. First letter navigation works, so for example,
pressing the s key takes you to the first program in the list that
starts with s. Use the arrow keys to move through the list. You
need to use all four arrow key directions when navigating this list,
since the left and right arrow key navigation does not jump rows.
When on the program you want, press the application key, or
alternatively, the shift f10 key sequence. This gives you a list of
most of Revo's features. The first item on the list is "uninstall",
and is of course the most common item to select. But take the time
to go down the list to see some very nice other options. For
example, you can find out more about the program through options on
the list such as doing a Google search, or going to the web site for
the program creator. Use these options unless you are absolutely
sure you do not need that program! Another handy item is the option
to remove that program from Revo's list. There are many programs
that most of us will not want to ever touch, so this option allows
you to have on your list only those programs you may want to remove;
it does not uninstall or remove anything from the program, it just
hides it so you don't waste time arrowing through the same stuff
again and again.
Now back to the uninstall option. Press enter to start that, and
you will get a warning screen with yes and no buttons. You can
either use the tab and enter key to move amongst the buttons and
activate the one you want. Or, pressing the y key will activate the
yes button, and the d key activates the no button.

What happens next will depend upon the program you are removing, so
just listen carefully to what JAWS is telling you. The JAWS key and
b usually does a good job of repeating the important text.



When Revo tells you to select the level of uninstall, tab once to a
vertical list with the three options, low, moderate, and high. High
is the most aggressive in terms of removing registry items. It is
also the mode that seems to make Revo superior to the standard
Windows uninstall process found under the control panel. I always
use the highest uninstall mode, and have never had a problem. So
select the mode with the up and down arrows, then tab once and
activate the OK button.

Note, I am now going from memory for the rest of these instructions,
since I don't actually want to uninstall any programs, so please do
not take me completely literally; I may not exactly remember how
JAWS names the buttons, but the description below will be close enough.

The JAWS access problems seem to come up after Revo has uninstalled
the program, and prompts you on whether you want to search the
registry for leftover items. Unless you realize you did something
wrong, you do want to have Revo continue with this step. After all,
if you don't use this option, you don't need to use Revo.

I believe the first prompt uses a next button to continue, and JAWS
will see this button, so press enter on it. If you are not sure
where you are, use the tab and shift tab, pressing enter to activate.

At this stage I recommend you now go into JAWS review mode, and stay
in review mode until you get to and select the "finish"
button. When in review mode, all the important information is clear
and easily read with the arrow keys. I recommend using control with
left or right arrow, which takes you nicely from word to word. This
also ensures that you are at the proper place to do the left
click. When you want to activate a given command, use the JAWS
keystroke for a left mouse click.

One step will be the option of selecting all items that Revo
recommends be removed from the registry and elsewhere on your
computer. (Revo also lists each such item slated for removal, but
the descriptions are beyond my level of technical knowledge. I have
always pressed the select-all button, and have never had a problem.)

Select the option you want by the left mouse click keystroke. When
clicking on that select-all button, you will not hear any feedback
from JAWS, but take it on faith that you have made that
selection. Move forward to the "delete" button and click on
it. JAWS will warn you that this is going to remove the listed
stuff, and it tells you to press yes or no to proceed. You can
press the y key for yes, n key for no, or you can manually move to
the button you want and click on it.

When Revo has deleted all that stuff, it will often times show a
zero in the number of items left, which makes sense, but Revo
confusingly asks you to select or de-select the listed options. Go
through the same steps above about selecting and hitting the delete
button. You will often fine that in a second pass, Revo has found
more stuff it recommends you delete. I have had as many as three
passes before it catches everything, but most often the second pass
is all you need. When Revo finds nothing more, you will then see a
"finish" button, with a congratulations message that you are
done. When you click on the finish button, Revo will immediately
pop up into the list of programs, ready to start again. If you are
done, just exit with alt-f4.

That is it. It is actually pretty easy once you do the steps a few
times, and that is coming from someone who is at best considered
average in terms of JAWS skills.
This is the end of the basic instructions. If you contact me off
list, I will be glad to help, either via email or on the phone.

Sincerely,
Tim Ford


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Re: control R deletes message

Kimber Gardner
 

Judith,

What mail program are you using?

Kimber

On 7/1/14, Judith Bron via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote:
When I want to respond to an email and hit control R the message is
deleted.
I look for it in the deleted items folder but it isn't there. Did this
evdever happen to anyone? I took your advice and replaced my keyboard so I
don't think it's this brand new keyboard. Any help would be appreciated.
Judith

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Re: JAWS 16

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

as far as I know, pricing is not changing although yes, I heard all the below points straight from tweets of the Jaws 16 presentation. No more XP support in 16. I can hear the wailing already. LOL

At 09:41 PM 7/1/2014, you wrote:
Indirectly, I received an email from someone at the NFB convention saying that FS has announced that JAWS 16 will not support XP. Anyone using XP might want to contact FS for confirmation.

That same email states that JAWS Standard will now be renamed JAWS Home and will be operable on Pro systems. FS will require the more expensive version of JAWS only for commercial purposes. I don't know how this will be enforced, but at first blush, it sounds as though pricing could become a little fairer and more rational.

I don't like to post claims I've read only third hand, but I'm doing so here because if these two points are true, they could affect some listers' purchasing decisions in the near future. I, for one, will select the cheaper SMA the next time mine expires if this new JAWS Home development comes about. Again, anyone affected should contact FS to confirm.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Doris &Hubby Chris via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 8:09 PM
To: Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS); The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Revo Uninstaller

Hi,

i use jaws 13 on win xp with free revo's latest version and can
access any revo option required with just the system cursor of both
jaws and nvda.

hth

DorisAt 07:20 PM 7/1/2014, you wrote:
I have a solution/response to the separate question about Revo
Uninstaller, that was in an email string today on a different
subject. The question was:

"Is there a way to make Revo Uninstaller Jaws-friendly, so all the
controls are easier to select from and activate, and I don't just find
a Cancel and Back Button?"

With review mode, I am able to easily operate those otherwise
inaccessible Revo Uninstaller buttons that were mentioned as
requiring sighted assistance. Below I will explain how I do it,
although there may be other ways. I consider myself technically
challenged, so keep that in mind. If anyone wants to know more
specifics, please contact me off list and we can chat by phone.

Tim Ford


Operating Revo Uninstaller with JAWS

Note. I am using version 1.95, and the latest of JAWS version
15. I am on a Windows 7 machine, and prior to that, I used Revo
Uninstaller on an XP home edition machine. I intentionally decline
Revo's offer to update the software. This version works for me, so
why bother getting more current and then finding out that a new
version is inaccessible? End of note.

When you launch Revo Uninstaller, hereinafter called Revo, you will
find yourself at the top of the list of programs. The list is in
alphabetical order. First letter navigation works, so for example,
pressing the s key takes you to the first program in the list that
starts with s. Use the arrow keys to move through the list. You
need to use all four arrow key directions when navigating this list,
since the left and right arrow key navigation does not jump rows.
When on the program you want, press the application key, or
alternatively, the shift f10 key sequence. This gives you a list of
most of Revo's features. The first item on the list is "uninstall",
and is of course the most common item to select. But take the time
to go down the list to see some very nice other options. For
example, you can find out more about the program through options on
the list such as doing a Google search, or going to the web site for
the program creator. Use these options unless you are absolutely
sure you do not need that program! Another handy item is the option
to remove that program from Revo's list. There are many programs
that most of us will not want to ever touch, so this option allows
you to have on your list only those programs you may want to remove;
it does not uninstall or remove anything from the program, it just
hides it so you don't waste time arrowing through the same stuff
again and again.
Now back to the uninstall option. Press enter to start that, and
you will get a warning screen with yes and no buttons. You can
either use the tab and enter key to move amongst the buttons and
activate the one you want. Or, pressing the y key will activate the
yes button, and the d key activates the no button.

What happens next will depend upon the program you are removing, so
just listen carefully to what JAWS is telling you. The JAWS key and
b usually does a good job of repeating the important text.



When Revo tells you to select the level of uninstall, tab once to a
vertical list with the three options, low, moderate, and high. High
is the most aggressive in terms of removing registry items. It is
also the mode that seems to make Revo superior to the standard
Windows uninstall process found under the control panel. I always
use the highest uninstall mode, and have never had a problem. So
select the mode with the up and down arrows, then tab once and
activate the OK button.

Note, I am now going from memory for the rest of these instructions,
since I don't actually want to uninstall any programs, so please do
not take me completely literally; I may not exactly remember how
JAWS names the buttons, but the description below will be close enough.

The JAWS access problems seem to come up after Revo has uninstalled
the program, and prompts you on whether you want to search the
registry for leftover items. Unless you realize you did something
wrong, you do want to have Revo continue with this step. After all,
if you don't use this option, you don't need to use Revo.

I believe the first prompt uses a next button to continue, and JAWS
will see this button, so press enter on it. If you are not sure
where you are, use the tab and shift tab, pressing enter to activate.

At this stage I recommend you now go into JAWS review mode, and stay
in review mode until you get to and select the "finish"
button. When in review mode, all the important information is clear
and easily read with the arrow keys. I recommend using control with
left or right arrow, which takes you nicely from word to word. This
also ensures that you are at the proper place to do the left
click. When you want to activate a given command, use the JAWS
keystroke for a left mouse click.

One step will be the option of selecting all items that Revo
recommends be removed from the registry and elsewhere on your
computer. (Revo also lists each such item slated for removal, but
the descriptions are beyond my level of technical knowledge. I have
always pressed the select-all button, and have never had a problem.)

Select the option you want by the left mouse click keystroke. When
clicking on that select-all button, you will not hear any feedback
from JAWS, but take it on faith that you have made that
selection. Move forward to the "delete" button and click on
it. JAWS will warn you that this is going to remove the listed
stuff, and it tells you to press yes or no to proceed. You can
press the y key for yes, n key for no, or you can manually move to
the button you want and click on it.

When Revo has deleted all that stuff, it will often times show a
zero in the number of items left, which makes sense, but Revo
confusingly asks you to select or de-select the listed options. Go
through the same steps above about selecting and hitting the delete
button. You will often fine that in a second pass, Revo has found
more stuff it recommends you delete. I have had as many as three
passes before it catches everything, but most often the second pass
is all you need. When Revo finds nothing more, you will then see a
"finish" button, with a congratulations message that you are
done. When you click on the finish button, Revo will immediately
pop up into the list of programs, ready to start again. If you are
done, just exit with alt-f4.

That is it. It is actually pretty easy once you do the steps a few
times, and that is coming from someone who is at best considered
average in terms of JAWS skills.
This is the end of the basic instructions. If you contact me off
list, I will be glad to help, either via email or on the phone.

Sincerely,
Tim Ford


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Re: JAWS 16

Cristóbal
 

I read the same information about XP via FS's Twitter account earlier today
when they were live tweeting their presentation. Not unexpected really. JFW
15 will still work with the XP OS so probably not a big deal in the long run
as more and more features to future JFW updates will be geared towards touch
screens and whatnot that would be irrelevant to XP users anyway.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 6:41 PM
To: Doris &Hubby Chris; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: JAWS 16

Indirectly, I received an email from someone at the NFB convention saying
that FS has announced that JAWS 16 will not support XP. Anyone using XP
might want to contact FS for confirmation.

That same email states that JAWS Standard will now be renamed JAWS Home and
will be operable on Pro systems. FS will require the more expensive version
of JAWS only for commercial purposes. I don't know how this will be
enforced, but at first blush, it sounds as though pricing could become a
little fairer and more rational.

I don't like to post claims I've read only third hand, but I'm doing so here
because if these two points are true, they could affect some listers'
purchasing decisions in the near future. I, for one, will select the cheaper
SMA the next time mine expires if this new JAWS Home development comes
about. Again, anyone affected should contact FS to confirm.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Doris &Hubby
Chris via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 8:09 PM
To: Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS); The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Revo Uninstaller

Hi,

i use jaws 13 on win xp with free revo's latest version and can access any
revo option required with just the system cursor of both jaws and nvda.

hth

DorisAt 07:20 PM 7/1/2014, you wrote:
I have a solution/response to the separate question about Revo
Uninstaller, that was in an email string today on a different subject.
The question was:

"Is there a way to make Revo Uninstaller Jaws-friendly, so all the
controls are easier to select from and activate, and I don't just
find
a Cancel and Back Button?"

With review mode, I am able to easily operate those otherwise
inaccessible Revo Uninstaller buttons that were mentioned as requiring
sighted assistance. Below I will explain how I do it, although there
may be other ways. I consider myself technically challenged, so keep
that in mind. If anyone wants to know more specifics, please contact
me off list and we can chat by phone.

Tim Ford


Operating Revo Uninstaller with JAWS

Note. I am using version 1.95, and the latest of JAWS version 15. I
am on a Windows 7 machine, and prior to that, I used Revo Uninstaller
on an XP home edition machine. I intentionally decline Revo's offer to
update the software. This version works for me, so why bother getting
more current and then finding out that a new version is inaccessible?
End of note.

When you launch Revo Uninstaller, hereinafter called Revo, you will
find yourself at the top of the list of programs. The list is in
alphabetical order. First letter navigation works, so for example,
pressing the s key takes you to the first program in the list that
starts with s. Use the arrow keys to move through the list. You need
to use all four arrow key directions when navigating this list, since
the left and right arrow key navigation does not jump rows.
When on the program you want, press the application key, or
alternatively, the shift f10 key sequence. This gives you a list of
most of Revo's features. The first item on the list is "uninstall",
and is of course the most common item to select. But take the time to
go down the list to see some very nice other options. For example, you
can find out more about the program through options on the list such as
doing a Google search, or going to the web site for the program
creator. Use these options unless you are absolutely sure you do not
need that program! Another handy item is the option to remove that
program from Revo's list. There are many programs that most of us will
not want to ever touch, so this option allows you to have on your list
only those programs you may want to remove; it does not uninstall or
remove anything from the program, it just hides it so you don't waste
time arrowing through the same stuff again and again.
Now back to the uninstall option. Press enter to start that, and you
will get a warning screen with yes and no buttons. You can either use
the tab and enter key to move amongst the buttons and activate the one
you want. Or, pressing the y key will activate the yes button, and the
d key activates the no button.

What happens next will depend upon the program you are removing, so
just listen carefully to what JAWS is telling you. The JAWS key and b
usually does a good job of repeating the important text.



When Revo tells you to select the level of uninstall, tab once to a
vertical list with the three options, low, moderate, and high. High is
the most aggressive in terms of removing registry items. It is also
the mode that seems to make Revo superior to the standard Windows
uninstall process found under the control panel. I always use the
highest uninstall mode, and have never had a problem. So select the
mode with the up and down arrows, then tab once and activate the OK
button.

Note, I am now going from memory for the rest of these instructions,
since I don't actually want to uninstall any programs, so please do not
take me completely literally; I may not exactly remember how JAWS names
the buttons, but the description below will be close enough.

The JAWS access problems seem to come up after Revo has uninstalled the
program, and prompts you on whether you want to search the registry for
leftover items. Unless you realize you did something wrong, you do
want to have Revo continue with this step. After all, if you don't use
this option, you don't need to use Revo.

I believe the first prompt uses a next button to continue, and JAWS
will see this button, so press enter on it. If you are not sure where
you are, use the tab and shift tab, pressing enter to activate.

At this stage I recommend you now go into JAWS review mode, and stay in
review mode until you get to and select the "finish"
button. When in review mode, all the important information is clear
and easily read with the arrow keys. I recommend using control with
left or right arrow, which takes you nicely from word to word. This
also ensures that you are at the proper place to do the left click.
When you want to activate a given command, use the JAWS keystroke for a
left mouse click.

One step will be the option of selecting all items that Revo recommends
be removed from the registry and elsewhere on your computer. (Revo
also lists each such item slated for removal, but the descriptions are
beyond my level of technical knowledge. I have always pressed the
select-all button, and have never had a problem.)

Select the option you want by the left mouse click keystroke. When
clicking on that select-all button, you will not hear any feedback from
JAWS, but take it on faith that you have made that selection. Move
forward to the "delete" button and click on it. JAWS will warn you
that this is going to remove the listed stuff, and it tells you to
press yes or no to proceed. You can press the y key for yes, n key for
no, or you can manually move to the button you want and click on it.

When Revo has deleted all that stuff, it will often times show a zero
in the number of items left, which makes sense, but Revo confusingly
asks you to select or de-select the listed options. Go through the
same steps above about selecting and hitting the delete button. You
will often fine that in a second pass, Revo has found more stuff it
recommends you delete. I have had as many as three passes before it
catches everything, but most often the second pass is all you need.
When Revo finds nothing more, you will then see a "finish" button, with
a congratulations message that you are done. When you click on the
finish button, Revo will immediately pop up into the list of programs,
ready to start again. If you are done, just exit with alt-f4.

That is it. It is actually pretty easy once you do the steps a few
times, and that is coming from someone who is at best considered
average in terms of JAWS skills.
This is the end of the basic instructions. If you contact me off list,
I will be glad to help, either via email or on the phone.

Sincerely,
Tim Ford


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Re: JAWS 16

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>
 

With the improvements to narrator in Windows 8 and the hints of scripting
being added in Windows 9 I suspect we're going to see several changes in the
screen reader industry.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Brent
Harding via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 8:54 PM
To: Adrian Spratt; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 16

I figured they would drop XP support pretty soon because I thought one
of those FSCasts hinted that once maintaining compatibility hindered
future progress, XP would get dropped. On one hand, I like the idea of
the home version supporting the pro editions of Windows, but now I feel
like I will be getting little for being stuck having to continue paying
the higher SMA.
They should give the remote support free for that extra cost. I'm not
sure if they'd let you downgrade it or something. I guess it's too
early because the info isn't too available yet on exactly what 16 is.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "Doris &Hubby Chris" <chipmunks@...>; "The Jaws for Windows
support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 8:41 PM
Subject: JAWS 16


Indirectly, I received an email from someone at the NFB convention
saying that FS has announced that JAWS 16 will not support XP. Anyone
using XP might want to contact FS for confirmation.

That same email states that JAWS Standard will now be renamed JAWS
Home and will be operable on Pro systems. FS will require the more
expensive version of JAWS only for commercial purposes. I don't know
how this will be enforced, but at first blush, it sounds as though
pricing could become a little fairer and more rational.

I don't like to post claims I've read only third hand, but I'm doing
so here because if these two points are true, they could affect some
listers'
purchasing decisions in the near future. I, for one, will select the
cheaper SMA the next time mine expires if this new JAWS Home
development comes about. Again, anyone affected should contact FS to
confirm.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Doris
&Hubby Chris via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 8:09 PM
To: Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS); The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Revo Uninstaller

Hi,

i use jaws 13 on win xp with free revo's latest version and can
access
any revo option required with just the system cursor of both jaws and
nvda.

hth

DorisAt 07:20 PM 7/1/2014, you wrote:
I have a solution/response to the separate question about Revo
Uninstaller, that was in an email string today on a different
subject.
The question was:

"Is there a way to make Revo Uninstaller Jaws-friendly, so all the
controls are easier to select from and activate, and I don't just
find
a Cancel and Back Button?"

With review mode, I am able to easily operate those otherwise
inaccessible Revo Uninstaller buttons that were mentioned as
requiring
sighted assistance. Below I will explain how I do it, although there
may be other ways. I consider myself technically challenged, so keep
that in mind. If anyone wants to know more specifics, please contact
me off list and we can chat by phone.

Tim Ford


Operating Revo Uninstaller with JAWS

Note. I am using version 1.95, and the latest of JAWS version 15. I
am on a Windows 7 machine, and prior to that, I used Revo Uninstaller
on an XP home edition machine. I intentionally decline Revo's offer
to update the software. This version works for me, so why bother
getting more current and then finding out that a new version is
inaccessible? End of note.

When you launch Revo Uninstaller, hereinafter called Revo, you will
find yourself at the top of the list of programs. The list is in
alphabetical order. First letter navigation works, so for example,
pressing the s key takes you to the first program in the list that
starts with s. Use the arrow keys to move through the list. You
need
to use all four arrow key directions when navigating this list, since
the left and right arrow key navigation does not jump rows.
When on the program you want, press the application key, or
alternatively, the shift f10 key sequence. This gives you a list of
most of Revo's features. The first item on the list is "uninstall",
and is of course the most common item to select. But take the time
to
go down the list to see some very nice other options. For example,
you can find out more about the program through options on the list
such as doing a Google search, or going to the web site for the
program creator. Use these options unless you are absolutely sure
you
do not need that program! Another handy item is the option to remove
that program from Revo's list. There are many programs that most of
us will not want to ever touch, so this option allows you to have on
your list only those programs you may want to remove; it does not
uninstall or remove anything from the program, it just hides it so
you
don't waste time arrowing through the same stuff again and again.
Now back to the uninstall option. Press enter to start that, and you
will get a warning screen with yes and no buttons. You can either
use
the tab and enter key to move amongst the buttons and activate the
one
you want. Or, pressing the y key will activate the yes button, and
the d key activates the no button.

What happens next will depend upon the program you are removing, so
just listen carefully to what JAWS is telling you. The JAWS key and
b
usually does a good job of repeating the important text.



When Revo tells you to select the level of uninstall, tab once to a
vertical list with the three options, low, moderate, and high. High
is the most aggressive in terms of removing registry items. It is
also the mode that seems to make Revo superior to the standard
Windows
uninstall process found under the control panel. I always use the
highest uninstall mode, and have never had a problem. So select the
mode with the up and down arrows, then tab once and activate the OK
button.

Note, I am now going from memory for the rest of these instructions,
since I don't actually want to uninstall any programs, so please do
not take me completely literally; I may not exactly remember how JAWS
names the buttons, but the description below will be close enough.

The JAWS access problems seem to come up after Revo has uninstalled
the program, and prompts you on whether you want to search the
registry for leftover items. Unless you realize you did something
wrong, you do want to have Revo continue with this step. After all,
if you don't use this option, you don't need to use Revo.

I believe the first prompt uses a next button to continue, and JAWS
will see this button, so press enter on it. If you are not sure
where
you are, use the tab and shift tab, pressing enter to activate.

At this stage I recommend you now go into JAWS review mode, and stay
in review mode until you get to and select the "finish"
button. When in review mode, all the important information is clear
and easily read with the arrow keys. I recommend using control with
left or right arrow, which takes you nicely from word to word. This
also ensures that you are at the proper place to do the left click.
When you want to activate a given command, use the JAWS keystroke for
a left mouse click.

One step will be the option of selecting all items that Revo
recommends be removed from the registry and elsewhere on your
computer. (Revo also lists each such item slated for removal, but
the
descriptions are beyond my level of technical knowledge. I have
always pressed the select-all button, and have never had a problem.)

Select the option you want by the left mouse click keystroke. When
clicking on that select-all button, you will not hear any feedback
from JAWS, but take it on faith that you have made that selection.
Move forward to the "delete" button and click on it. JAWS will warn
you that this is going to remove the listed stuff, and it tells you
to
press yes or no to proceed. You can press the y key for yes, n key
for no, or you can manually move to the button you want and click on
it.

When Revo has deleted all that stuff, it will often times show a zero
in the number of items left, which makes sense, but Revo confusingly
asks you to select or de-select the listed options. Go through the
same steps above about selecting and hitting the delete button. You
will often fine that in a second pass, Revo has found more stuff it
recommends you delete. I have had as many as three passes before it
catches everything, but most often the second pass is all you need.
When Revo finds nothing more, you will then see a "finish" button,
with a congratulations message that you are done. When you click on
the finish button, Revo will immediately pop up into the list of
programs, ready to start again. If you are done, just exit with
alt-f4.

That is it. It is actually pretty easy once you do the steps a few
times, and that is coming from someone who is at best considered
average in terms of JAWS skills.
This is the end of the basic instructions. If you contact me off
list, I will be glad to help, either via email or on the phone.

Sincerely,
Tim Ford


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Re: JAWS 16

Brent Harding
 

I figured they would drop XP support pretty soon because I thought one of those FSCasts hinted that once maintaining compatibility hindered future progress, XP would get dropped. On one hand, I like the idea of the home version supporting the pro editions of Windows, but now I feel like I will be getting little for being stuck having to continue paying the higher SMA. They should give the remote support free for that extra cost. I'm not sure if they'd let you downgrade it or something. I guess it's too early because the info isn't too available yet on exactly what 16 is.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "Doris &Hubby Chris" <chipmunks@...>; "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 8:41 PM
Subject: JAWS 16


Indirectly, I received an email from someone at the NFB convention saying that FS has announced that JAWS 16 will not support XP. Anyone using XP might want to contact FS for confirmation.

That same email states that JAWS Standard will now be renamed JAWS Home and will be operable on Pro systems. FS will require the more expensive version of JAWS only for commercial purposes. I don't know how this will be enforced, but at first blush, it sounds as though pricing could become a little fairer and more rational.

I don't like to post claims I've read only third hand, but I'm doing so here because if these two points are true, they could affect some listers' purchasing decisions in the near future. I, for one, will select the cheaper SMA the next time mine expires if this new JAWS Home development comes about. Again, anyone affected should contact FS to confirm.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Doris &Hubby Chris via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 8:09 PM
To: Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS); The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Revo Uninstaller

Hi,

i use jaws 13 on win xp with free revo's latest version and can
access any revo option required with just the system cursor of both
jaws and nvda.

hth

DorisAt 07:20 PM 7/1/2014, you wrote:
I have a solution/response to the separate question about Revo
Uninstaller, that was in an email string today on a different
subject. The question was:

"Is there a way to make Revo Uninstaller Jaws-friendly, so all the
controls are easier to select from and activate, and I don't just find
a Cancel and Back Button?"

With review mode, I am able to easily operate those otherwise
inaccessible Revo Uninstaller buttons that were mentioned as
requiring sighted assistance. Below I will explain how I do it,
although there may be other ways. I consider myself technically
challenged, so keep that in mind. If anyone wants to know more
specifics, please contact me off list and we can chat by phone.

Tim Ford


Operating Revo Uninstaller with JAWS

Note. I am using version 1.95, and the latest of JAWS version
15. I am on a Windows 7 machine, and prior to that, I used Revo
Uninstaller on an XP home edition machine. I intentionally decline
Revo's offer to update the software. This version works for me, so
why bother getting more current and then finding out that a new
version is inaccessible? End of note.

When you launch Revo Uninstaller, hereinafter called Revo, you will
find yourself at the top of the list of programs. The list is in
alphabetical order. First letter navigation works, so for example,
pressing the s key takes you to the first program in the list that
starts with s. Use the arrow keys to move through the list. You
need to use all four arrow key directions when navigating this list,
since the left and right arrow key navigation does not jump rows.
When on the program you want, press the application key, or
alternatively, the shift f10 key sequence. This gives you a list of
most of Revo's features. The first item on the list is "uninstall",
and is of course the most common item to select. But take the time
to go down the list to see some very nice other options. For
example, you can find out more about the program through options on
the list such as doing a Google search, or going to the web site for
the program creator. Use these options unless you are absolutely
sure you do not need that program! Another handy item is the option
to remove that program from Revo's list. There are many programs
that most of us will not want to ever touch, so this option allows
you to have on your list only those programs you may want to remove;
it does not uninstall or remove anything from the program, it just
hides it so you don't waste time arrowing through the same stuff
again and again.
Now back to the uninstall option. Press enter to start that, and
you will get a warning screen with yes and no buttons. You can
either use the tab and enter key to move amongst the buttons and
activate the one you want. Or, pressing the y key will activate the
yes button, and the d key activates the no button.

What happens next will depend upon the program you are removing, so
just listen carefully to what JAWS is telling you. The JAWS key and
b usually does a good job of repeating the important text.



When Revo tells you to select the level of uninstall, tab once to a
vertical list with the three options, low, moderate, and high. High
is the most aggressive in terms of removing registry items. It is
also the mode that seems to make Revo superior to the standard
Windows uninstall process found under the control panel. I always
use the highest uninstall mode, and have never had a problem. So
select the mode with the up and down arrows, then tab once and
activate the OK button.

Note, I am now going from memory for the rest of these instructions,
since I don't actually want to uninstall any programs, so please do
not take me completely literally; I may not exactly remember how
JAWS names the buttons, but the description below will be close enough.

The JAWS access problems seem to come up after Revo has uninstalled
the program, and prompts you on whether you want to search the
registry for leftover items. Unless you realize you did something
wrong, you do want to have Revo continue with this step. After all,
if you don't use this option, you don't need to use Revo.

I believe the first prompt uses a next button to continue, and JAWS
will see this button, so press enter on it. If you are not sure
where you are, use the tab and shift tab, pressing enter to activate.

At this stage I recommend you now go into JAWS review mode, and stay
in review mode until you get to and select the "finish"
button. When in review mode, all the important information is clear
and easily read with the arrow keys. I recommend using control with
left or right arrow, which takes you nicely from word to word. This
also ensures that you are at the proper place to do the left
click. When you want to activate a given command, use the JAWS
keystroke for a left mouse click.

One step will be the option of selecting all items that Revo
recommends be removed from the registry and elsewhere on your
computer. (Revo also lists each such item slated for removal, but
the descriptions are beyond my level of technical knowledge. I have
always pressed the select-all button, and have never had a problem.)

Select the option you want by the left mouse click keystroke. When
clicking on that select-all button, you will not hear any feedback
from JAWS, but take it on faith that you have made that
selection. Move forward to the "delete" button and click on
it. JAWS will warn you that this is going to remove the listed
stuff, and it tells you to press yes or no to proceed. You can
press the y key for yes, n key for no, or you can manually move to
the button you want and click on it.

When Revo has deleted all that stuff, it will often times show a
zero in the number of items left, which makes sense, but Revo
confusingly asks you to select or de-select the listed options. Go
through the same steps above about selecting and hitting the delete
button. You will often fine that in a second pass, Revo has found
more stuff it recommends you delete. I have had as many as three
passes before it catches everything, but most often the second pass
is all you need. When Revo finds nothing more, you will then see a
"finish" button, with a congratulations message that you are
done. When you click on the finish button, Revo will immediately
pop up into the list of programs, ready to start again. If you are
done, just exit with alt-f4.

That is it. It is actually pretty easy once you do the steps a few
times, and that is coming from someone who is at best considered
average in terms of JAWS skills.
This is the end of the basic instructions. If you contact me off
list, I will be glad to help, either via email or on the phone.

Sincerely,
Tim Ford


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JAWS 16

Adrian Spratt
 

Indirectly, I received an email from someone at the NFB convention saying that FS has announced that JAWS 16 will not support XP. Anyone using XP might want to contact FS for confirmation.

That same email states that JAWS Standard will now be renamed JAWS Home and will be operable on Pro systems. FS will require the more expensive version of JAWS only for commercial purposes. I don't know how this will be enforced, but at first blush, it sounds as though pricing could become a little fairer and more rational.

I don't like to post claims I've read only third hand, but I'm doing so here because if these two points are true, they could affect some listers' purchasing decisions in the near future. I, for one, will select the cheaper SMA the next time mine expires if this new JAWS Home development comes about. Again, anyone affected should contact FS to confirm.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Doris &Hubby Chris via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 8:09 PM
To: Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS); The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Revo Uninstaller

Hi,

i use jaws 13 on win xp with free revo's latest version and can
access any revo option required with just the system cursor of both
jaws and nvda.

hth

DorisAt 07:20 PM 7/1/2014, you wrote:
I have a solution/response to the separate question about Revo
Uninstaller, that was in an email string today on a different
subject. The question was:

"Is there a way to make Revo Uninstaller Jaws-friendly, so all the
controls are easier to select from and activate, and I don't just find
a Cancel and Back Button?"

With review mode, I am able to easily operate those otherwise
inaccessible Revo Uninstaller buttons that were mentioned as
requiring sighted assistance. Below I will explain how I do it,
although there may be other ways. I consider myself technically
challenged, so keep that in mind. If anyone wants to know more
specifics, please contact me off list and we can chat by phone.

Tim Ford


Operating Revo Uninstaller with JAWS

Note. I am using version 1.95, and the latest of JAWS version
15. I am on a Windows 7 machine, and prior to that, I used Revo
Uninstaller on an XP home edition machine. I intentionally decline
Revo's offer to update the software. This version works for me, so
why bother getting more current and then finding out that a new
version is inaccessible? End of note.

When you launch Revo Uninstaller, hereinafter called Revo, you will
find yourself at the top of the list of programs. The list is in
alphabetical order. First letter navigation works, so for example,
pressing the s key takes you to the first program in the list that
starts with s. Use the arrow keys to move through the list. You
need to use all four arrow key directions when navigating this list,
since the left and right arrow key navigation does not jump rows.
When on the program you want, press the application key, or
alternatively, the shift f10 key sequence. This gives you a list of
most of Revo's features. The first item on the list is "uninstall",
and is of course the most common item to select. But take the time
to go down the list to see some very nice other options. For
example, you can find out more about the program through options on
the list such as doing a Google search, or going to the web site for
the program creator. Use these options unless you are absolutely
sure you do not need that program! Another handy item is the option
to remove that program from Revo's list. There are many programs
that most of us will not want to ever touch, so this option allows
you to have on your list only those programs you may want to remove;
it does not uninstall or remove anything from the program, it just
hides it so you don't waste time arrowing through the same stuff
again and again.
Now back to the uninstall option. Press enter to start that, and
you will get a warning screen with yes and no buttons. You can
either use the tab and enter key to move amongst the buttons and
activate the one you want. Or, pressing the y key will activate the
yes button, and the d key activates the no button.

What happens next will depend upon the program you are removing, so
just listen carefully to what JAWS is telling you. The JAWS key and
b usually does a good job of repeating the important text.



When Revo tells you to select the level of uninstall, tab once to a
vertical list with the three options, low, moderate, and high. High
is the most aggressive in terms of removing registry items. It is
also the mode that seems to make Revo superior to the standard
Windows uninstall process found under the control panel. I always
use the highest uninstall mode, and have never had a problem. So
select the mode with the up and down arrows, then tab once and
activate the OK button.

Note, I am now going from memory for the rest of these instructions,
since I don't actually want to uninstall any programs, so please do
not take me completely literally; I may not exactly remember how
JAWS names the buttons, but the description below will be close enough.

The JAWS access problems seem to come up after Revo has uninstalled
the program, and prompts you on whether you want to search the
registry for leftover items. Unless you realize you did something
wrong, you do want to have Revo continue with this step. After all,
if you don't use this option, you don't need to use Revo.

I believe the first prompt uses a next button to continue, and JAWS
will see this button, so press enter on it. If you are not sure
where you are, use the tab and shift tab, pressing enter to activate.

At this stage I recommend you now go into JAWS review mode, and stay
in review mode until you get to and select the "finish"
button. When in review mode, all the important information is clear
and easily read with the arrow keys. I recommend using control with
left or right arrow, which takes you nicely from word to word. This
also ensures that you are at the proper place to do the left
click. When you want to activate a given command, use the JAWS
keystroke for a left mouse click.

One step will be the option of selecting all items that Revo
recommends be removed from the registry and elsewhere on your
computer. (Revo also lists each such item slated for removal, but
the descriptions are beyond my level of technical knowledge. I have
always pressed the select-all button, and have never had a problem.)

Select the option you want by the left mouse click keystroke. When
clicking on that select-all button, you will not hear any feedback
from JAWS, but take it on faith that you have made that
selection. Move forward to the "delete" button and click on
it. JAWS will warn you that this is going to remove the listed
stuff, and it tells you to press yes or no to proceed. You can
press the y key for yes, n key for no, or you can manually move to
the button you want and click on it.

When Revo has deleted all that stuff, it will often times show a
zero in the number of items left, which makes sense, but Revo
confusingly asks you to select or de-select the listed options. Go
through the same steps above about selecting and hitting the delete
button. You will often fine that in a second pass, Revo has found
more stuff it recommends you delete. I have had as many as three
passes before it catches everything, but most often the second pass
is all you need. When Revo finds nothing more, you will then see a
"finish" button, with a congratulations message that you are
done. When you click on the finish button, Revo will immediately
pop up into the list of programs, ready to start again. If you are
done, just exit with alt-f4.

That is it. It is actually pretty easy once you do the steps a few
times, and that is coming from someone who is at best considered
average in terms of JAWS skills.
This is the end of the basic instructions. If you contact me off
list, I will be glad to help, either via email or on the phone.

Sincerely,
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Re: Revo Uninstaller

Doris and Chris
 

Hi,

i use jaws 13 on win xp with free revo's latest version and can access any revo option required with just the system cursor of both jaws and nvda.

hth

DorisAt 07:20 PM 7/1/2014, you wrote:

I have a solution/response to the separate question about Revo Uninstaller, that was in an email string today on a different subject. The question was:

"Is there a way to make Revo Uninstaller Jaws-friendly, so all the
controls are easier to select from and activate, and I don't just find
a Cancel and Back Button?"

With review mode, I am able to easily operate those otherwise inaccessible Revo Uninstaller buttons that were mentioned as requiring sighted assistance. Below I will explain how I do it, although there may be other ways. I consider myself technically challenged, so keep that in mind. If anyone wants to know more specifics, please contact me off list and we can chat by phone.

Tim Ford


Operating Revo Uninstaller with JAWS

Note. I am using version 1.95, and the latest of JAWS version 15. I am on a Windows 7 machine, and prior to that, I used Revo Uninstaller on an XP home edition machine. I intentionally decline Revo's offer to update the software. This version works for me, so why bother getting more current and then finding out that a new version is inaccessible? End of note.

When you launch Revo Uninstaller, hereinafter called Revo, you will find yourself at the top of the list of programs. The list is in alphabetical order. First letter navigation works, so for example, pressing the s key takes you to the first program in the list that starts with s. Use the arrow keys to move through the list. You need to use all four arrow key directions when navigating this list, since the left and right arrow key navigation does not jump rows.
When on the program you want, press the application key, or alternatively, the shift f10 key sequence. This gives you a list of most of Revo's features. The first item on the list is "uninstall", and is of course the most common item to select. But take the time to go down the list to see some very nice other options. For example, you can find out more about the program through options on the list such as doing a Google search, or going to the web site for the program creator. Use these options unless you are absolutely sure you do not need that program! Another handy item is the option to remove that program from Revo's list. There are many programs that most of us will not want to ever touch, so this option allows you to have on your list only those programs you may want to remove; it does not uninstall or remove anything from the program, it just hides it so you don't waste time arrowing through the same stuff again and again.
Now back to the uninstall option. Press enter to start that, and you will get a warning screen with yes and no buttons. You can either use the tab and enter key to move amongst the buttons and activate the one you want. Or, pressing the y key will activate the yes button, and the d key activates the no button.

What happens next will depend upon the program you are removing, so just listen carefully to what JAWS is telling you. The JAWS key and b usually does a good job of repeating the important text.



When Revo tells you to select the level of uninstall, tab once to a vertical list with the three options, low, moderate, and high. High is the most aggressive in terms of removing registry items. It is also the mode that seems to make Revo superior to the standard Windows uninstall process found under the control panel. I always use the highest uninstall mode, and have never had a problem. So select the mode with the up and down arrows, then tab once and activate the OK button.

Note, I am now going from memory for the rest of these instructions, since I don't actually want to uninstall any programs, so please do not take me completely literally; I may not exactly remember how JAWS names the buttons, but the description below will be close enough.

The JAWS access problems seem to come up after Revo has uninstalled the program, and prompts you on whether you want to search the registry for leftover items. Unless you realize you did something wrong, you do want to have Revo continue with this step. After all, if you don't use this option, you don't need to use Revo.

I believe the first prompt uses a next button to continue, and JAWS will see this button, so press enter on it. If you are not sure where you are, use the tab and shift tab, pressing enter to activate.

At this stage I recommend you now go into JAWS review mode, and stay in review mode until you get to and select the "finish" button. When in review mode, all the important information is clear and easily read with the arrow keys. I recommend using control with left or right arrow, which takes you nicely from word to word. This also ensures that you are at the proper place to do the left click. When you want to activate a given command, use the JAWS keystroke for a left mouse click.

One step will be the option of selecting all items that Revo recommends be removed from the registry and elsewhere on your computer. (Revo also lists each such item slated for removal, but the descriptions are beyond my level of technical knowledge. I have always pressed the select-all button, and have never had a problem.)

Select the option you want by the left mouse click keystroke. When clicking on that select-all button, you will not hear any feedback from JAWS, but take it on faith that you have made that selection. Move forward to the "delete" button and click on it. JAWS will warn you that this is going to remove the listed stuff, and it tells you to press yes or no to proceed. You can press the y key for yes, n key for no, or you can manually move to the button you want and click on it.

When Revo has deleted all that stuff, it will often times show a zero in the number of items left, which makes sense, but Revo confusingly asks you to select or de-select the listed options. Go through the same steps above about selecting and hitting the delete button. You will often fine that in a second pass, Revo has found more stuff it recommends you delete. I have had as many as three passes before it catches everything, but most often the second pass is all you need. When Revo finds nothing more, you will then see a "finish" button, with a congratulations message that you are done. When you click on the finish button, Revo will immediately pop up into the list of programs, ready to start again. If you are done, just exit with alt-f4.

That is it. It is actually pretty easy once you do the steps a few times, and that is coming from someone who is at best considered average in terms of JAWS skills.
This is the end of the basic instructions. If you contact me off list, I will be glad to help, either via email or on the phone.

Sincerely,
Tim Ford


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control R deletes message

judith bron
 

When I want to respond to an email and hit control R the message is deleted.
I look for it in the deleted items folder but it isn't there. Did this
evdever happen to anyone? I took your advice and replaced my keyboard so I
don't think it's this brand new keyboard. Any help would be appreciated.
Judith

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blindtunes

Ross Winetsky <rosswinetsky@...>
 

Hi all, I am pretty good at JAWS and music programs. However, I have to say
I am stymied by a few of the functions of blindtunes. I am having trouble
renaming songs that I have recorded myself and put on iTunes. ITunes seems
to just give it some kind of name and I am having trouble figuring out how
to change it. I'm also running into problems in a few other areas.



Is anyone willing to spend an hour or so with me on the phone to talk me
through some of my problems? I would gladly pay someone to assist me.

I know it can't be that hard, but I just sort of have some mental block and
figuring out the principle of the whole thing. Hope to hear from some of
you.



Thanks,

Ross



Ross Winetsky

Nashville, TN 37204

615-298-5258 home

615-828-9784 cell

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Revo Uninstaller

Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS) <Tim.Ford@...>
 

I have a solution/response to the separate question about Revo Uninstaller, that was in an email string today on a different subject. The question was:

"Is there a way to make Revo Uninstaller Jaws-friendly, so all the
controls are easier to select from and activate, and I don't just find
a Cancel and Back Button?"

With review mode, I am able to easily operate those otherwise inaccessible Revo Uninstaller buttons that were mentioned as requiring sighted assistance. Below I will explain how I do it, although there may be other ways. I consider myself technically challenged, so keep that in mind. If anyone wants to know more specifics, please contact me off list and we can chat by phone.

Tim Ford


Operating Revo Uninstaller with JAWS

Note. I am using version 1.95, and the latest of JAWS version 15. I am on a Windows 7 machine, and prior to that, I used Revo Uninstaller on an XP home edition machine. I intentionally decline Revo's offer to update the software. This version works for me, so why bother getting more current and then finding out that a new version is inaccessible? End of note.

When you launch Revo Uninstaller, hereinafter called Revo, you will find yourself at the top of the list of programs. The list is in alphabetical order. First letter navigation works, so for example, pressing the s key takes you to the first program in the list that starts with s. Use the arrow keys to move through the list. You need to use all four arrow key directions when navigating this list, since the left and right arrow key navigation does not jump rows.
When on the program you want, press the application key, or alternatively, the shift f10 key sequence. This gives you a list of most of Revo's features. The first item on the list is "uninstall", and is of course the most common item to select. But take the time to go down the list to see some very nice other options. For example, you can find out more about the program through options on the list such as doing a Google search, or going to the web site for the program creator. Use these options unless you are absolutely sure you do not need that program! Another handy item is the option to remove that program from Revo's list. There are many programs that most of us will not want to ever touch, so this option allows you to have on your list only those programs you may want to remove; it does not uninstall or remove anything from the program, it just hides it so you don't waste time arrowing through the same stuff again and again.
Now back to the uninstall option. Press enter to start that, and you will get a warning screen with yes and no buttons. You can either use the tab and enter key to move amongst the buttons and activate the one you want. Or, pressing the y key will activate the yes button, and the d key activates the no button.

What happens next will depend upon the program you are removing, so just listen carefully to what JAWS is telling you. The JAWS key and b usually does a good job of repeating the important text.



When Revo tells you to select the level of uninstall, tab once to a vertical list with the three options, low, moderate, and high. High is the most aggressive in terms of removing registry items. It is also the mode that seems to make Revo superior to the standard Windows uninstall process found under the control panel. I always use the highest uninstall mode, and have never had a problem. So select the mode with the up and down arrows, then tab once and activate the OK button.

Note, I am now going from memory for the rest of these instructions, since I don't actually want to uninstall any programs, so please do not take me completely literally; I may not exactly remember how JAWS names the buttons, but the description below will be close enough.

The JAWS access problems seem to come up after Revo has uninstalled the program, and prompts you on whether you want to search the registry for leftover items. Unless you realize you did something wrong, you do want to have Revo continue with this step. After all, if you don't use this option, you don't need to use Revo.

I believe the first prompt uses a next button to continue, and JAWS will see this button, so press enter on it. If you are not sure where you are, use the tab and shift tab, pressing enter to activate.

At this stage I recommend you now go into JAWS review mode, and stay in review mode until you get to and select the "finish" button. When in review mode, all the important information is clear and easily read with the arrow keys. I recommend using control with left or right arrow, which takes you nicely from word to word. This also ensures that you are at the proper place to do the left click. When you want to activate a given command, use the JAWS keystroke for a left mouse click.

One step will be the option of selecting all items that Revo recommends be removed from the registry and elsewhere on your computer. (Revo also lists each such item slated for removal, but the descriptions are beyond my level of technical knowledge. I have always pressed the select-all button, and have never had a problem.)

Select the option you want by the left mouse click keystroke. When clicking on that select-all button, you will not hear any feedback from JAWS, but take it on faith that you have made that selection. Move forward to the "delete" button and click on it. JAWS will warn you that this is going to remove the listed stuff, and it tells you to press yes or no to proceed. You can press the y key for yes, n key for no, or you can manually move to the button you want and click on it.

When Revo has deleted all that stuff, it will often times show a zero in the number of items left, which makes sense, but Revo confusingly asks you to select or de-select the listed options. Go through the same steps above about selecting and hitting the delete button. You will often fine that in a second pass, Revo has found more stuff it recommends you delete. I have had as many as three passes before it catches everything, but most often the second pass is all you need. When Revo finds nothing more, you will then see a "finish" button, with a congratulations message that you are done. When you click on the finish button, Revo will immediately pop up into the list of programs, ready to start again. If you are done, just exit with alt-f4.

That is it. It is actually pretty easy once you do the steps a few times, and that is coming from someone who is at best considered average in terms of JAWS skills.
This is the end of the basic instructions. If you contact me off list, I will be glad to help, either via email or on the phone.

Sincerely,
Tim Ford


Re: Question about speech rate for specific applications.

Cristóbal
 

Create a voice profile with the parameters you want and then assign the
application to that profile.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Michael Mote
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 2:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Question about speech rate for specific applications.

Hi folks! Was wondering if there is a way to change the rate of speech for
an application, without making the change for the other applications. In
other words, if I'm working using an Adobe PDF file, and I want the rate of
speech to be slower than when I am using Internet Explorer or Outlook. How
can I make those changes stick? I know that I can speed up and slow down
speech on the fly. I would like to make the changes for the application,
without having to always use Contol Alt Page up and page down every time. I
hope I'm explaining my question for you all to understand. Thanks very
much!





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Re: Question about speech rate for specific applications.

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Create a profile with the slower rate of speech while the desired application is running, then select to use the new profile for that application in JAWS.
Bill White billwhite92701@...

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From: "Michael Mote via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 2:05 PM
Subject: Question about speech rate for specific applications.


Hi folks! Was wondering if there is a way to change the rate of speech for
an application, without making the change for the other applications. In
other words, if I'm working using an Adobe PDF file, and I want the rate of
speech to be slower than when I am using Internet Explorer or Outlook. How
can I make those changes stick? I know that I can speed up and slow down
speech on the fly. I would like to make the changes for the application,
without having to always use Contol Alt Page up and page down every time. I
hope I'm explaining my question for you all to understand. Thanks very
much!





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Question about speech rate for specific applications.

Michael Mote
 

Hi folks! Was wondering if there is a way to change the rate of speech for
an application, without making the change for the other applications. In
other words, if I'm working using an Adobe PDF file, and I want the rate of
speech to be slower than when I am using Internet Explorer or Outlook. How
can I make those changes stick? I know that I can speed up and slow down
speech on the fly. I would like to make the changes for the application,
without having to always use Contol Alt Page up and page down every time. I
hope I'm explaining my question for you all to understand. Thanks very
much!





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Re: Itunes radio failed again

John Martyn <johnrobertmartyn@...>
 

I will check it out.
John

On 7/1/2014 12:28 PM, Dave Farfar Carlson via Jfw wrote:
Doug,

Let's all hope John gets in touch with you in time.

Dave Carlson
Future Oregonian, pioneer, landlord, Farfar, musician, and woodworker

----- Original Message -----
From: "douglasdexheimer via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 11:22 AM
Subject: Fw: Itunes radio failed again


I sent this to John Martyn last night and am still waiting for a reply. I'd
like to have the Itunes radio tuner working by the Fourth. Is there a way
to make Revo Uninstaller Jaws-friendly, so all the controls are easier to
select from and activate, and I don't just find a Cancel and Back Button? I
experience the same drawback with Jaws activation and Adobe Flash Player
installation; some dialog boxes are just inaccessible for
screenreader/keyboard users, making it virtually impossible without sighted
assistance to click on the button or control I want to. Thanks for your
regards.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-901-7306
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@...
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From: douglasdexheimer
To: John Martyn DoItBlind.com
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 10:26 PM
Subject: Itunes radio failed again


Tonight I launched Itunes and got the same error message I got in March: an
error occurred while contacting the radio tuning service. I tried
uninstalling Itunes with Revo uninstaller, but only got so far as the tree
view of items to be selected or deselected for deletion. With Jaws only the
Cancel and Back buttons are visible; I can't locate Select or Deselect using
the keyboard; it would take sighted assistance. What can I do now for the
tuning service to work?
I also noticed that Itunes, with Jaws 12, is not Focus braille display
friendly; Jaws speaks certain elements as I tab, but the display is blank.
Sometimes I find a "JM" (Jaws message) in certain fields, but then the
display goes blank. Is there a way to optimize the Focus for better
performance with Jaws 12? I couldn't find it in the Settings Center, under
Braille. Thanks for your help.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-901-7306
cell phone 913-244-0612
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Re: Itunes radio failed again

Dave...
 

Doug,

Let's all hope John gets in touch with you in time.

Dave Carlson
Future Oregonian, pioneer, landlord, Farfar, musician, and woodworker

----- Original Message -----
From: "douglasdexheimer via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 11:22 AM
Subject: Fw: Itunes radio failed again


I sent this to John Martyn last night and am still waiting for a reply. I'd
like to have the Itunes radio tuner working by the Fourth. Is there a way
to make Revo Uninstaller Jaws-friendly, so all the controls are easier to
select from and activate, and I don't just find a Cancel and Back Button? I
experience the same drawback with Jaws activation and Adobe Flash Player
installation; some dialog boxes are just inaccessible for
screenreader/keyboard users, making it virtually impossible without sighted
assistance to click on the button or control I want to. Thanks for your
regards.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-901-7306
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@...
----- Original Message -----
From: douglasdexheimer
To: John Martyn DoItBlind.com
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 10:26 PM
Subject: Itunes radio failed again


Tonight I launched Itunes and got the same error message I got in March: an
error occurred while contacting the radio tuning service. I tried
uninstalling Itunes with Revo uninstaller, but only got so far as the tree
view of items to be selected or deselected for deletion. With Jaws only the
Cancel and Back buttons are visible; I can't locate Select or Deselect using
the keyboard; it would take sighted assistance. What can I do now for the
tuning service to work?
I also noticed that Itunes, with Jaws 12, is not Focus braille display
friendly; Jaws speaks certain elements as I tab, but the display is blank.
Sometimes I find a "JM" (Jaws message) in certain fields, but then the
display goes blank. Is there a way to optimize the Focus for better
performance with Jaws 12? I couldn't find it in the Settings Center, under
Braille. Thanks for your help.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-901-7306
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@...
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