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Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

dennis <dennis.cornelison@...>
 

very well put. i agree.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:37 AM
Subject: RE: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking


I haven't said much as the topics of JAWS alternatives have come up. Several have voiced some admiration for Apple and its built-in screen reader VoiceOver. I don't have a Mac, but I do have an iPhone. So, I know a little about VoiceOver, and I've been on the Mac lists. So, I know more than a little about it.
Periodically, someone will mention NVDA, an open source free screen reader. I've used it, and the experience was far from satisfying. Now, we hear at least a rumor that Narrator will become a full-blown screen reader, however one defines "full blown."
What troubles me is that as more and more people are satisfied with "good enough" because, after all, it is free, the number of those willing to fork over cash for the powerful screen readers like Window-Eyes and JAWS will drop. As that happens, the price will doubtless go up.
Speaking from a purely personal perspective, I would hate to see that happen. I need things like track changes, support for styles, and other powerful features that go along with using Word to its fullest.
NVDA, VoiceOver, and even System Access cannot compete at that level, having no functionality to touch either JAWS or Window-Eyes.
Philosophically, I suppose I should shut up and take my medicine. One could argue that JAWS is artificially high-priced, forcing, or seeming to force, ordinary users to pay for features they don't want or need.
Perhaps if I want the features, I should be willing to pay extra for them.
I know JAWS now has two price levels, with a somewhat higher price for what I use -- Professional Version.
Perhaps, in the future, what we will see is a JAWS light for $100 or so and a JAWS heavy duty for $5,000 or more. Ouch!
Still, one has to consider the features one needs. I may not need all the cell reading functions in Excel, but I'm willing to pay for them to get the professional features I need in Word. I just think we should step back a little before we cavalierly express a willingness for "good enough." My guess is that "good enough" won't in fact be "good enough" just when it is needed most.


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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:12 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8

I know that they are making Narrator in to a full blown screen reader and is
expected to be competition to JAWS. That said I think it's functionality
still won't come close but then how much of the jaws features do we all use
on the day to day basis at least for home use. Hopefully they will release a
public beta like they did with Windows 7 as it was very successful.

Peter





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-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 8

Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it
a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along
side apple.

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Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

I haven't said much as the topics of JAWS alternatives have come up. Several have voiced some admiration for Apple and its built-in screen reader VoiceOver. I don't have a Mac, but I do have an iPhone. So, I know a little about VoiceOver, and I've been on the Mac lists. So, I know more than a little about it.
Periodically, someone will mention NVDA, an open source free screen reader. I've used it, and the experience was far from satisfying. Now, we hear at least a rumor that Narrator will become a full-blown screen reader, however one defines "full blown."
What troubles me is that as more and more people are satisfied with "good enough" because, after all, it is free, the number of those willing to fork over cash for the powerful screen readers like Window-Eyes and JAWS will drop. As that happens, the price will doubtless go up.
Speaking from a purely personal perspective, I would hate to see that happen. I need things like track changes, support for styles, and other powerful features that go along with using Word to its fullest.
NVDA, VoiceOver, and even System Access cannot compete at that level, having no functionality to touch either JAWS or Window-Eyes.
Philosophically, I suppose I should shut up and take my medicine. One could argue that JAWS is artificially high-priced, forcing, or seeming to force, ordinary users to pay for features they don't want or need.
Perhaps if I want the features, I should be willing to pay extra for them.
I know JAWS now has two price levels, with a somewhat higher price for what I use -- Professional Version.
Perhaps, in the future, what we will see is a JAWS light for $100 or so and a JAWS heavy duty for $5,000 or more. Ouch!
Still, one has to consider the features one needs. I may not need all the cell reading functions in Excel, but I'm willing to pay for them to get the professional features I need in Word. I just think we should step back a little before we cavalierly express a willingness for "good enough." My guess is that "good enough" won't in fact be "good enough" just when it is needed most.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:12 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8

I know that they are making Narrator in to a full blown screen reader and is
expected to be competition to JAWS. That said I think it's functionality
still won't come close but then how much of the jaws features do we all use
on the day to day basis at least for home use. Hopefully they will release a
public beta like they did with Windows 7 as it was very successful.

Peter





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-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 8

Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it
a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along
side apple.

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Re: windows8:

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

me too!
sorry, i had to contribute yet another irrelevant post.

At 12:27 PM 8/29/2011, you wrote:
I wonder how jaws 13 will work with windows 8?


windows8:

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

I wonder how jaws 13 will work with windows 8?


Re: Windows 8

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

First time I'm hearing about the narator thing but doubt if it will
come anything close to jaws. I'm guessing they will try and go the
same rout as apple with voiceover but that took apple a couple of
years and it's still not perfected will be cool though if it actually
works. Yes they will release public beta versions I guess late this
year or very early next year, a few very unstable beta versions has
already leeked on to the net, if I have some time I'll maybe look for
one and try it.

On 8/29/11, Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@msn.com> wrote:
I know that they are making Narrator in to a full blown screen reader and is
expected to be competition to JAWS. That said I think it's functionality
still won't come close but then how much of the jaws features do we all use
on the day to day basis at least for home use. Hopefully they will release a
public beta like they did with Windows 7 as it was very successful.

Peter





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-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 8

Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it
a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along
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Re: Windows 8

Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@...>
 

I know that they are making Narrator in to a full blown screen reader and is expected to be competition to JAWS. That said I think it's functionality still won't come close but then how much of the jaws features do we all use on the day to day basis at least for home use. Hopefully they will release a public beta like they did with Windows 7 as it was very successful.

Peter





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-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 8

Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it
a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along
side apple.

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Windows 8

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it
a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along
side apple.


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Addison, two of us told you where to go to subscribe.
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Hello Chris,
If you can't give me the subscribe links then all you have to say you don't know the subscribe links for this list. I hope someone can give me the subscribe links please!!

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Subject: Re: Subscribe in here!!


Your friend would subscribe the same way you did. Do you recall doing that?
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Re: [Bulk] Subscribe in here!!

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Haha you beat me to it Dave.
Next it'll be "how do i unsubscribe then?"


Re: Subscribe in here!!

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O.Addison,

How did you get in, then? Look at the bottom of your own message for
information on the web site.

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Re: Odd J9 and IE8 problem

Adi Kushnir <adikushnir@...>
 

Hi,
Make shure that you have JAWS 9.0.2169 or later.

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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Odd J9 and IE8 problem


I have been using IE 8 with JAWS 9.0.2191U and XP Pro for over two years
with no problem.

Gerald


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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: Odd J9 and IE8 problem


I e 8 is designed for windows seven and 64 bit use insert f12 to get too
the developer tools and switch too iie 7 and you probably wont have any
problems

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On Behalf Of The Scarlet Wombat
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 3:34 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Odd J9 and IE8 problem

I was forced to reinstall Windows XP a bit ago due to some
corruption. I installed XP Pro SP3. I also reinstalled my JFW 9.0
version and all seem to work fine, saving for IE 8. I can go to and
read most web sites, but cannot access the menu bar. When I hit the
alt key, I can left arrow and hear file, edit, view and such.
However, when I press a down arrow to access the menu items, I get
the words context menu, but cannot keep on going and get no menu
items, this is the same for every menu. My sighted partner says the
drop down menus do appear, but JFW is not reading them at all. This
interferes with doing many things in IE8.

I've never seen this before. I do not have the option of getting a
newer version of JFW, so am rather stuck with this version.

Any help would be deeply appreciated,

Dan


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Re: Odd J9 and IE8 problem

Gerald Levy
 

I have been using IE 8 with JAWS 9.0.2191U and XP Pro for over two years with no problem.

Gerald

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: Odd J9 and IE8 problem


I e 8 is designed for windows seven and 64 bit use insert f12 to get too
the developer tools and switch too iie 7 and you probably wont have any
problems

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of The Scarlet Wombat
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 3:34 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Odd J9 and IE8 problem

I was forced to reinstall Windows XP a bit ago due to some
corruption. I installed XP Pro SP3. I also reinstalled my JFW 9.0
version and all seem to work fine, saving for IE 8. I can go to and
read most web sites, but cannot access the menu bar. When I hit the
alt key, I can left arrow and hear file, edit, view and such.
However, when I press a down arrow to access the menu items, I get
the words context menu, but cannot keep on going and get no menu
items, this is the same for every menu. My sighted partner says the
drop down menus do appear, but JFW is not reading them at all. This
interferes with doing many things in IE8.

I've never seen this before. I do not have the option of getting a
newer version of JFW, so am rather stuck with this version.

Any help would be deeply appreciated,

Dan


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Re: Odd J9 and IE8 problem

Ambrose <ambroselh@...>
 

I e 8 is designed for windows seven and 64 bit use insert f12 to get too
the developer tools and switch too iie 7 and you probably wont have any
problems

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of The Scarlet Wombat
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 3:34 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Odd J9 and IE8 problem

I was forced to reinstall Windows XP a bit ago due to some
corruption. I installed XP Pro SP3. I also reinstalled my JFW 9.0
version and all seem to work fine, saving for IE 8. I can go to and
read most web sites, but cannot access the menu bar. When I hit the
alt key, I can left arrow and hear file, edit, view and such.
However, when I press a down arrow to access the menu items, I get
the words context menu, but cannot keep on going and get no menu
items, this is the same for every menu. My sighted partner says the
drop down menus do appear, but JFW is not reading them at all. This
interferes with doing many things in IE8.

I've never seen this before. I do not have the option of getting a
newer version of JFW, so am rather stuck with this version.

Any help would be deeply appreciated,

Dan


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Odd J9 and IE8 problem

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I was forced to reinstall Windows XP a bit ago due to some corruption. I installed XP Pro SP3. I also reinstalled my JFW 9.0 version and all seem to work fine, saving for IE 8. I can go to and read most web sites, but cannot access the menu bar. When I hit the alt key, I can left arrow and hear file, edit, view and such. However, when I press a down arrow to access the menu items, I get the words context menu, but cannot keep on going and get no menu items, this is the same for every menu. My sighted partner says the drop down menus do appear, but JFW is not reading them at all. This interferes with doing many things in IE8.

I've never seen this before. I do not have the option of getting a newer version of JFW, so am rather stuck with this version.

Any help would be deeply appreciated,

Dan


Re: Using JFW 12 with Powerpoint '07 help

Amanda Berkley
 

I actually didn't find it intrusive at all. He had a good reason for
asking and I answered without any problems.
Just saying,
Amanda

On 8/28/11, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote:
I know why you asked. There was no need to, however. Let's try to help
without asking intrusive questions.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Shane Davidson
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Using JFW 12 with Powerpoint '07 help

I asked the question to better assess how to present the help she was asking
for, nothing more, nothing less.
If she had some usable sight, their can be a different way to approach
providing assistance, I.E. sometimes if you can get away with it, the mouse
can be used to click on the things she needs.
That was the only reason the question was asked.
So next time, think before you speak.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:50 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Using JFW 12 with Powerpoint '07 help

Amanda,

You can start by looking at JAWS help, which has a specific discussion of
PowerPoint under "Popular Applications," then under "Microsoft
Applications." If you're unaccustomed to using JAWS help, post back again
and more specific directions can be given.

Don't feel compelled to answer Shane's question on the list. It isn't
necessary and could be seen as rather personal. It isn't a prerequisite for
getting help here.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Shane Davidson
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:39 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Using JFW 12 with Powerpoint '07 help

Amanda;
Do you have any usable sight?
This will reflect on the kind of help offered, and the way it's presented.
Yes, I know some partially sighted folks who can use magnification who don't
and use JAWS instead.
Hense the question.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Amanda Berkley
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:34 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Using JFW 12 with Powerpoint '07 help

Hi guys,
My name is Amanda and I have used JAWS for about 4 years now, and I haven't
had a need to know how to use powerpoint till now.
I'm a college student with a business major and some of my classes this
semester require me to make a powerpoint and to view powerpoints.
Can anyone tell me how to read and make powerpoints using JFW 12.
I kinda need to learn in a hurry lol.

Thanks,
Amanda

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Admin: Using JFW 12 with Powerpoint '07 help

James Homuth
 

Folks,

Rather than concentrating on whether or not someone should or should not
have asked a particular question, let's actually answer the original
poster's question. Can we do that? Thank you.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: August-28-11 11:14 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Using JFW 12 with Powerpoint '07 help

I know why you asked. There was no need to, however. Let's try to help
without asking intrusive questions.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Shane Davidson
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Using JFW 12 with Powerpoint '07 help

I asked the question to better assess how to present the help she was asking
for, nothing more, nothing less.
If she had some usable sight, their can be a different way to approach
providing assistance, I.E. sometimes if you can get away with it, the mouse
can be used to click on the things she needs.
That was the only reason the question was asked.
So next time, think before you speak.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:50 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Using JFW 12 with Powerpoint '07 help

Amanda,

You can start by looking at JAWS help, which has a specific discussion of
PowerPoint under "Popular Applications," then under "Microsoft
Applications." If you're unaccustomed to using JAWS help, post back again
and more specific directions can be given.

Don't feel compelled to answer Shane's question on the list. It isn't
necessary and could be seen as rather personal. It isn't a prerequisite for
getting help here.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Shane Davidson
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:39 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Using JFW 12 with Powerpoint '07 help

Amanda;
Do you have any usable sight?
This will reflect on the kind of help offered, and the way it's presented.
Yes, I know some partially sighted folks who can use magnification who don't
and use JAWS instead.
Hense the question.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Amanda Berkley
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:34 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Using JFW 12 with Powerpoint '07 help

Hi guys,
My name is Amanda and I have used JAWS for about 4 years now, and I haven't
had a need to know how to use powerpoint till now.
I'm a college student with a business major and some of my classes this
semester require me to make a powerpoint and to view powerpoints.
Can anyone tell me how to read and make powerpoints using JFW 12.
I kinda need to learn in a hurry lol.

Thanks,
Amanda

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Re: Using JFW 12 with Powerpoint '07 help

Adrian Spratt
 

I know why you asked. There was no need to, however. Let's try to help
without asking intrusive questions.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Shane Davidson
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Using JFW 12 with Powerpoint '07 help

I asked the question to better assess how to present the help she was asking
for, nothing more, nothing less.
If she had some usable sight, their can be a different way to approach
providing assistance, I.E. sometimes if you can get away with it, the mouse
can be used to click on the things she needs.
That was the only reason the question was asked.
So next time, think before you speak.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:50 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Using JFW 12 with Powerpoint '07 help

Amanda,

You can start by looking at JAWS help, which has a specific discussion of
PowerPoint under "Popular Applications," then under "Microsoft
Applications." If you're unaccustomed to using JAWS help, post back again
and more specific directions can be given.

Don't feel compelled to answer Shane's question on the list. It isn't
necessary and could be seen as rather personal. It isn't a prerequisite for
getting help here.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Shane Davidson
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:39 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Using JFW 12 with Powerpoint '07 help

Amanda;
Do you have any usable sight?
This will reflect on the kind of help offered, and the way it's presented.
Yes, I know some partially sighted folks who can use magnification who don't
and use JAWS instead.
Hense the question.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Amanda Berkley
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:34 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Using JFW 12 with Powerpoint '07 help

Hi guys,
My name is Amanda and I have used JAWS for about 4 years now, and I haven't
had a need to know how to use powerpoint till now.
I'm a college student with a business major and some of my classes this
semester require me to make a powerpoint and to view powerpoints.
Can anyone tell me how to read and make powerpoints using JFW 12.
I kinda need to learn in a hurry lol.

Thanks,
Amanda

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