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Re: Windows 8

Adi Kushnir <adikushnir@...>
 

Hi,
I tried it - most of the new parts dren't working well with J12 because
Microsoft disabled the option to use the meeror driver.


Re: Windows 8

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

Yes agree with you on the speculation. Yes think they will make jaws
13 with windows 8 in mind but it will really be a bummer if people
have to update to jaws 13 just because 12 or even older versions
doesn't work. To give you a example, I only upgraded to jaws 12 about
a month ago, before I had 11 and I used windows 7 since it was
released as a public beta back then think I had jaws 9 or 10 and it
worked all the way. As I said if I have some time I'll try to find a
leaked beta of windows 8 and try it.

On 8/29/11, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

Because Windows 8 has not yet been released, it is impossible to know
whether JAWS 12 will work with it. I'm just speculating, but I would
imagine that the next release of JAWS, JAWS 13 would be more likely to be
compatible with Win 8 than JAWS 12.

Gerald


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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:09 PM
Subject: Windows 8


Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it
a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along
side apple.

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Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

Agree with you guys but as I said don't put your hopes on narator or
on FS dropping the price for jaws. Sure there will be a improvement in
narator but doubt if it will be big enough to mean anything. The thing
with FS is they don't give a rats ass for the individual which is us
the users. That's what I like about voiceover, sure it's not yet up
there with jaws but apple doesn't even ask $1000 for it but still they
listen to every single one of their users.

On 8/29/11, Chris Smart <csmart8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
Hi Ed.

I agree with you on all points! Most of the applications I use on a
daily basis, besides email and web browsing, require scripting
support from Jaws. If we all go for the lowest common denominator,
even if it's free, some people will literally lose their livlihoods.


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Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Alan Dicey <adicey@...>
 

Hello Ed and Friends,
I must disagree with you on your thoughts about "Free" screen reading programs coming out and causing the cost of traditional text to speech programs to go up.
I should think the price of JAWS and Window-Eyes would drop considerably, the "Law of Supply and Demand" you understand.

Just my thoughts, and of course you are entitled to your opinion.

If nothing else, I would expect the manufacturers of the JAWS and Window-Eyes programs to strive for more "Excellence" in their product, if there is some competition out there.

With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
Alan Dicey, President
United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking


I haven't said much as the topics of JAWS alternatives have come up. Several have voiced some admiration for Apple and its built-in screen reader VoiceOver. I don't have a Mac, but I do have an iPhone. So, I know a little about VoiceOver, and I've been on the Mac lists. So, I know more than a little about it.
Periodically, someone will mention NVDA, an open source free screen reader. I've used it, and the experience was far from satisfying. Now, we hear at least a rumor that Narrator will become a full-blown screen reader, however one defines "full blown."
What troubles me is that as more and more people are satisfied with "good enough" because, after all, it is free, the number of those willing to fork over cash for the powerful screen readers like Window-Eyes and JAWS will drop. As that happens, the price will doubtless go up.
Speaking from a purely personal perspective, I would hate to see that happen. I need things like track changes, support for styles, and other powerful features that go along with using Word to its fullest.
NVDA, VoiceOver, and even System Access cannot compete at that level, having no functionality to touch either JAWS or Window-Eyes.
Philosophically, I suppose I should shut up and take my medicine. One could argue that JAWS is artificially high-priced, forcing, or seeming to force, ordinary users to pay for features they don't want or need.
Perhaps if I want the features, I should be willing to pay extra for them.
I know JAWS now has two price levels, with a somewhat higher price for what I use -- Professional Version.
Perhaps, in the future, what we will see is a JAWS light for $100 or so and a JAWS heavy duty for $5,000 or more. Ouch!
Still, one has to consider the features one needs. I may not need all the cell reading functions in Excel, but I'm willing to pay for them to get the professional features I need in Word. I just think we should step back a little before we cavalierly express a willingness for "good enough." My guess is that "good enough" won't in fact be "good enough" just when it is needed most.


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:12 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8

I know that they are making Narrator in to a full blown screen reader and is
expected to be competition to JAWS. That said I think it's functionality
still won't come close but then how much of the jaws features do we all use
on the day to day basis at least for home use. Hopefully they will release a
public beta like they did with Windows 7 as it was very successful.

Peter





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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:09 PM
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Subject: Windows 8

Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it
a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along
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Re: i Phone

James Homuth
 

One does this by first subscribing to the ViPhone Google Group and asking
the question there, as this has absolutely nothing to do with JAWS.

James,
List Admin

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On Behalf Of Kerri
Sent: August-29-11 12:47 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: i Phone

Hi, all. How does one enable the talking software in the Iphone and since
they are flat, how does one use them?



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:38 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

I haven't said much as the topics of JAWS alternatives have come up.
Several have voiced some admiration for Apple and its built-in screen reader
VoiceOver. I don't have a Mac, but I do have an iPhone. So, I know a little
about VoiceOver, and I've been on the Mac lists. So, I know more than a
little about it.
Periodically, someone will mention NVDA, an open source free screen reader.
I've used it, and the experience was far from satisfying. Now, we hear at
least a rumor that Narrator will become a full-blown screen reader, however
one defines "full blown."
What troubles me is that as more and more people are satisfied with "good
enough" because, after all, it is free, the number of those willing to fork
over cash for the powerful screen readers like Window-Eyes and JAWS will
drop. As that happens, the price will doubtless go up.
Speaking from a purely personal perspective, I would hate to see that
happen. I need things like track changes, support for styles, and other
powerful features that go along with using Word to its fullest.
NVDA, VoiceOver, and even System Access cannot compete at that level, having
no functionality to touch either JAWS or Window-Eyes.
Philosophically, I suppose I should shut up and take my medicine. One could
argue that JAWS is artificially high-priced, forcing, or seeming to force,
ordinary users to pay for features they don't want or need.
Perhaps if I want the features, I should be willing to pay extra for them.
I know JAWS now has two price levels, with a somewhat higher price for what
I use -- Professional Version.
Perhaps, in the future, what we will see is a JAWS light for $100 or so and
a JAWS heavy duty for $5,000 or more. Ouch!
Still, one has to consider the features one needs. I may not need all the
cell reading functions in Excel, but I'm willing to pay for them to get the
professional features I need in Word. I just think we should step back a
little before we cavalierly express a willingness for "good enough." My
guess is that "good enough" won't in fact be "good enough" just when it is
needed most.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:12 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8

I know that they are making Narrator in to a full blown screen reader and is
expected to be competition to JAWS. That said I think it's functionality
still won't come close but then how much of the jaws features do we all use
on the day to day basis at least for home use. Hopefully they will release a
public beta like they did with Windows 7 as it was very successful.

Peter





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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 8

Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it a
fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along side apple.

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Re: Windows 8

Gerald Levy
 

Because Windows 8 has not yet been released, it is impossible to know whether JAWS 12 will work with it. I'm just speculating, but I would imagine that the next release of JAWS, JAWS 13 would be more likely to be compatible with Win 8 than JAWS 12.

Gerald

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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:09 PM
Subject: Windows 8


Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it
a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along
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i Phone

Kerri <shalom75@...>
 

Hi, all. How does one enable the talking software in the Iphone and since
they are flat, how does one use them?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:38 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

I haven't said much as the topics of JAWS alternatives have come up.
Several have voiced some admiration for Apple and its built-in screen reader
VoiceOver. I don't have a Mac, but I do have an iPhone. So, I know a little
about VoiceOver, and I've been on the Mac lists. So, I know more than a
little about it.
Periodically, someone will mention NVDA, an open source free screen reader.
I've used it, and the experience was far from satisfying. Now, we hear at
least a rumor that Narrator will become a full-blown screen reader, however
one defines "full blown."
What troubles me is that as more and more people are satisfied with "good
enough" because, after all, it is free, the number of those willing to fork
over cash for the powerful screen readers like Window-Eyes and JAWS will
drop. As that happens, the price will doubtless go up.
Speaking from a purely personal perspective, I would hate to see that
happen. I need things like track changes, support for styles, and other
powerful features that go along with using Word to its fullest.
NVDA, VoiceOver, and even System Access cannot compete at that level, having
no functionality to touch either JAWS or Window-Eyes.
Philosophically, I suppose I should shut up and take my medicine. One could
argue that JAWS is artificially high-priced, forcing, or seeming to force,
ordinary users to pay for features they don't want or need.
Perhaps if I want the features, I should be willing to pay extra for them.
I know JAWS now has two price levels, with a somewhat higher price for what
I use -- Professional Version.
Perhaps, in the future, what we will see is a JAWS light for $100 or so and
a JAWS heavy duty for $5,000 or more. Ouch!
Still, one has to consider the features one needs. I may not need all the
cell reading functions in Excel, but I'm willing to pay for them to get the
professional features I need in Word. I just think we should step back a
little before we cavalierly express a willingness for "good enough." My
guess is that "good enough" won't in fact be "good enough" just when it is
needed most.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:12 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8

I know that they are making Narrator in to a full blown screen reader and is
expected to be competition to JAWS. That said I think it's functionality
still won't come close but then how much of the jaws features do we all use
on the day to day basis at least for home use. Hopefully they will release a
public beta like they did with Windows 7 as it was very successful.

Peter





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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 8

Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it
a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along
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Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Hi Ed.

I agree with you on all points! Most of the applications I use on a daily basis, besides email and web browsing, require scripting support from Jaws. If we all go for the lowest common denominator, even if it's free, some people will literally lose their livlihoods.


Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

dennis <dennis.cornelison@...>
 

very well put. i agree.

----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:37 AM
Subject: RE: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking


I haven't said much as the topics of JAWS alternatives have come up. Several have voiced some admiration for Apple and its built-in screen reader VoiceOver. I don't have a Mac, but I do have an iPhone. So, I know a little about VoiceOver, and I've been on the Mac lists. So, I know more than a little about it.
Periodically, someone will mention NVDA, an open source free screen reader. I've used it, and the experience was far from satisfying. Now, we hear at least a rumor that Narrator will become a full-blown screen reader, however one defines "full blown."
What troubles me is that as more and more people are satisfied with "good enough" because, after all, it is free, the number of those willing to fork over cash for the powerful screen readers like Window-Eyes and JAWS will drop. As that happens, the price will doubtless go up.
Speaking from a purely personal perspective, I would hate to see that happen. I need things like track changes, support for styles, and other powerful features that go along with using Word to its fullest.
NVDA, VoiceOver, and even System Access cannot compete at that level, having no functionality to touch either JAWS or Window-Eyes.
Philosophically, I suppose I should shut up and take my medicine. One could argue that JAWS is artificially high-priced, forcing, or seeming to force, ordinary users to pay for features they don't want or need.
Perhaps if I want the features, I should be willing to pay extra for them.
I know JAWS now has two price levels, with a somewhat higher price for what I use -- Professional Version.
Perhaps, in the future, what we will see is a JAWS light for $100 or so and a JAWS heavy duty for $5,000 or more. Ouch!
Still, one has to consider the features one needs. I may not need all the cell reading functions in Excel, but I'm willing to pay for them to get the professional features I need in Word. I just think we should step back a little before we cavalierly express a willingness for "good enough." My guess is that "good enough" won't in fact be "good enough" just when it is needed most.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:12 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8

I know that they are making Narrator in to a full blown screen reader and is
expected to be competition to JAWS. That said I think it's functionality
still won't come close but then how much of the jaws features do we all use
on the day to day basis at least for home use. Hopefully they will release a
public beta like they did with Windows 7 as it was very successful.

Peter





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-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 8

Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it
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Re: Windows 8 and Candidly Speaking

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

I haven't said much as the topics of JAWS alternatives have come up. Several have voiced some admiration for Apple and its built-in screen reader VoiceOver. I don't have a Mac, but I do have an iPhone. So, I know a little about VoiceOver, and I've been on the Mac lists. So, I know more than a little about it.
Periodically, someone will mention NVDA, an open source free screen reader. I've used it, and the experience was far from satisfying. Now, we hear at least a rumor that Narrator will become a full-blown screen reader, however one defines "full blown."
What troubles me is that as more and more people are satisfied with "good enough" because, after all, it is free, the number of those willing to fork over cash for the powerful screen readers like Window-Eyes and JAWS will drop. As that happens, the price will doubtless go up.
Speaking from a purely personal perspective, I would hate to see that happen. I need things like track changes, support for styles, and other powerful features that go along with using Word to its fullest.
NVDA, VoiceOver, and even System Access cannot compete at that level, having no functionality to touch either JAWS or Window-Eyes.
Philosophically, I suppose I should shut up and take my medicine. One could argue that JAWS is artificially high-priced, forcing, or seeming to force, ordinary users to pay for features they don't want or need.
Perhaps if I want the features, I should be willing to pay extra for them.
I know JAWS now has two price levels, with a somewhat higher price for what I use -- Professional Version.
Perhaps, in the future, what we will see is a JAWS light for $100 or so and a JAWS heavy duty for $5,000 or more. Ouch!
Still, one has to consider the features one needs. I may not need all the cell reading functions in Excel, but I'm willing to pay for them to get the professional features I need in Word. I just think we should step back a little before we cavalierly express a willingness for "good enough." My guess is that "good enough" won't in fact be "good enough" just when it is needed most.

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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 11:12 AM
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Subject: Re: Windows 8

I know that they are making Narrator in to a full blown screen reader and is
expected to be competition to JAWS. That said I think it's functionality
still won't come close but then how much of the jaws features do we all use
on the day to day basis at least for home use. Hopefully they will release a
public beta like they did with Windows 7 as it was very successful.

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From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:09 PM
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Subject: Windows 8

Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it
a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along
side apple.

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Re: windows8:

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

me too!
sorry, i had to contribute yet another irrelevant post.

At 12:27 PM 8/29/2011, you wrote:
I wonder how jaws 13 will work with windows 8?


windows8:

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

I wonder how jaws 13 will work with windows 8?


Re: Windows 8

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

First time I'm hearing about the narator thing but doubt if it will
come anything close to jaws. I'm guessing they will try and go the
same rout as apple with voiceover but that took apple a couple of
years and it's still not perfected will be cool though if it actually
works. Yes they will release public beta versions I guess late this
year or very early next year, a few very unstable beta versions has
already leeked on to the net, if I have some time I'll maybe look for
one and try it.

On 8/29/11, Peter Holdstock <peterholdstock@msn.com> wrote:
I know that they are making Narrator in to a full blown screen reader and is
expected to be competition to JAWS. That said I think it's functionality
still won't come close but then how much of the jaws features do we all use
on the day to day basis at least for home use. Hopefully they will release a
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-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 8

Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it
a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along
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Re: Windows 8

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I know that they are making Narrator in to a full blown screen reader and is expected to be competition to JAWS. That said I think it's functionality still won't come close but then how much of the jaws features do we all use on the day to day basis at least for home use. Hopefully they will release a public beta like they did with Windows 7 as it was very successful.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 8

Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it
a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along
side apple.

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Windows 8

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

Hi all I was just wondering if any of you seen anything about windows
8 and if jaws 12 will work with it. Thing is from what I've heard the
windows 8 interface is going to be dramatically redesigned to give it
a fresh look, it is a atemt by microsoft to stay in the game along
side apple.


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Hello Chris,
If you can't give me the subscribe links then all you have to say you don't know the subscribe links for this list. I hope someone can give me the subscribe links please!!

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Your friend would subscribe the same way you did. Do you recall doing that?
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Re: [Bulk] Subscribe in here!!

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Haha you beat me to it Dave.
Next it'll be "how do i unsubscribe then?"


Re: Subscribe in here!!

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O.Addison,

How did you get in, then? Look at the bottom of your own message for
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