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Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Petro Giannakopoulos via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Chris
All is good. I know you are an experienced PC user and wants to help you
out. I know this has been very frustrating so far to figure out the issue.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Whoh! Easy there!

With all due respect, when did I say I didn't give Petro any credit! All
that I said was that I didn't see how a bios update would help, and then I
asked him to clarify. On the note of right clicking, all that I said was
that I already had tried that suggestion. How in the name of heck! is that
not giving him credit? Egg skeuze? me for just stating a question, and a
fact!

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:40 PM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Petro, I'm not sure you're getting enough credit here. I just had to say I
admire your persistence and patience.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Petro T.
Giannakopoulos via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Right click the JAWS 15 icon and enter on 'run as administrator'.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


I have.

In addition to this, I am low vision, so if anything was indeed popping
up,
I would have seen it.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Chris
Worth a shot to do. Have you had a sighted person look at the screen when
this issue happens? Maybe there is something on the screen me and you do
not
hear?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Well, I spoke with Vicki in FS support, and she insists that it's not
their
problem, and that something in my task manager is causing the problem,
but
I've gone into my startup items and disabled everything! yet, still have
the
issue, just as I suspected that I would.

She was incredibly reluctant to open a support ticket, but I kept
pressing
at her to do so, and finally she did. that said, she told me that the
ticket probably wouldn't be acted upon unless I tried disabling all
startup
items and it still persisted. Which, of corse, it did. So, yeah, I'm
not
exactly impressed right now with Tech Support, I have to admit.

She wasn't even willing to acknowledge that it even might! be an issue on
their end.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Hi Chris,
There are a number of variables to consider regarding this theory:
* Although Intel and AMD uses different microarchitecture (with same x86
ISA), even different microarchitecture and product families may create
this
issue. For example, APU's (Accelerated Processing Unit) are designed as
a
CPU-GPU hybrid, thus programs may or may not respond as quickly as
before
(or after).
* If it is unique to JFW15 (not to an earlier version) and for 64-bit
Windows 8.1, chances are that something weird is going on in the startup
code after you log into Windows (this tells me that FS might be using a
newer update of VS2010/2012 to compile JFW).
* It might not be hardware at all - perhaps a group policy setting might
have changed things, startup scans and so on. If System Restore didn't
help,
then we need to do something more advanced.
* To be sure on this theory (rather, a hypothesis, in my opinion), we
need
people willing to test your scenario on different AMD CPU families such
as
FX (Bulldozer/Piledriver), APU's and so on, as well as people using
Intel
Core/Pentium/Celeron series (up to second batch of 4th generation Core
processors). If people running AMD CPU's can reproduce this issue, then
it
is unique to the way AMD handles some stuff, otherwise it's a software
problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:11 AM
To: JAWS list
Subject: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.
Importance: High

OK, let me recap a bit here for everyone's reference.

I wrote the list about half a week ago somewhere around the 4th of the
month. I was having an issue whereby using Windows 8.1 Home Premium and
all
the updates along with JAWS 15 Pro were producing a very weird issue.
Even
though under the JAWS window>Options>Basics, I had it set to automaticly
run
at the logon screen, as well as to run after logon for all users, and I
had
the combo box set to always, I still found that JAWS refused to load
after
logon. It worked fine as far as launching at the logon screen itself,
but
once logged on, it wouldn't autostart.

Most of you all said you were not having this issue with Windows 8.1,
and
had suggested I repair JFW. I did this to absolutely no avale. One
member
wrote in suggesting it was something to do with the latest Internet
Explorer
update, as once they installed that update, they began having the same
issue. I must say I found that incredibly hard to relate the two things
to
one another. How could IE have anything to do with jfw not starting up.
I
honestly still to this minute hold my opinion that for that person, it
was
totally bad timing/coencidental. All of this however said, I don't rule
it
out, but I do find it unlikely. I do! however, have a theory. I
confess
that I've not gotten the chance to call FS quite yet about this. I plan
to
do so this morning first thing when they open up. Basically though,
here's
my theory. Again, this may seem kind of like the I E guess. It may
sound
100% unrelated. Chances are, it probably isn't related in any respect,
I
agree, but, I'm very much unwilling at this point to look over it, and
rule
it out as not being possible. I am *not!* running an Intel Pentium
processor. I've got the laptop version of an AMD Athlon. Stupid as it
may
sound, I have heard of weird things happenning with certain programs if
you
install them on the wrong type of processor, or on one that isn't fully
supported. Though I totally! understand that JFW fully supports all the
major processors from Intel, AMD, to even Celeron, I'm curious if this
might
be a bug within the AMD architecture and how it plays back into JFW in a
whole. If anyone's got Windows 8.1, and JAWS 15 with access to an
Athlon
system, laptop or not, I'd be extremely curious to know if you have this
issue... specifically with jfw 15 in combination with Windows 8.1 64
bit.

Either way, I'll be calling FS here in just a bit, but I figured I'd
throw
this out there as one final attempt for you guys to help me.

Thanks.

Chris.
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Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

George, I had no intention of turning this thread into something personal. I just noticed how a lister kept trying so hard to solve someone else's problem. Sometimes I don't think such assistance is given the credit it's due, that's all. The problem hasn't been resolved, and I certainly didn't mean to disrupt the process.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of George B via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:53 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

lol this topic sounds like it needs to be taken to a personal level and off
the list.....

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 13:47
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Whoh! Easy there!

With all due respect, when did I say I didn't give Petro any credit!
All
that I said was that I didn't see how a bios update would help, and
then I
asked him to clarify. On the note of right clicking, all that I said
was
that I already had tried that suggestion. How in the name of heck! is
that
not giving him credit? Egg skeuze? me for just stating a question, and
a
fact!

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:40 PM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Petro, I'm not sure you're getting enough credit here. I just had to
say I
admire your persistence and patience.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Petro
T.
Giannakopoulos via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Right click the JAWS 15 icon and enter on 'run as administrator'.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


I have.

In addition to this, I am low vision, so if anything was indeed
popping
up,
I would have seen it.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Chris
Worth a shot to do. Have you had a sighted person look at the screen
when
this issue happens? Maybe there is something on the screen me and
you do
not
hear?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Well, I spoke with Vicki in FS support, and she insists that it's
not
their
problem, and that something in my task manager is causing the
problem,
but
I've gone into my startup items and disabled everything! yet, still
have
the
issue, just as I suspected that I would.

She was incredibly reluctant to open a support ticket, but I kept
pressing
at her to do so, and finally she did. that said, she told me that
the
ticket probably wouldn't be acted upon unless I tried disabling all
startup
items and it still persisted. Which, of corse, it did. So, yeah,
I'm
not
exactly impressed right now with Tech Support, I have to admit.

She wasn't even willing to acknowledge that it even might! be an
issue on
their end.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Hi Chris,
There are a number of variables to consider regarding this theory:
* Although Intel and AMD uses different microarchitecture (with
same x86
ISA), even different microarchitecture and product families may
create
this
issue. For example, APU's (Accelerated Processing Unit) are
designed as
a
CPU-GPU hybrid, thus programs may or may not respond as quickly as
before
(or after).
* If it is unique to JFW15 (not to an earlier version) and for 64-
bit
Windows 8.1, chances are that something weird is going on in the
startup
code after you log into Windows (this tells me that FS might be
using a
newer update of VS2010/2012 to compile JFW).
* It might not be hardware at all - perhaps a group policy setting
might
have changed things, startup scans and so on. If System Restore
didn't
help,
then we need to do something more advanced.
* To be sure on this theory (rather, a hypothesis, in my opinion),
we
need
people willing to test your scenario on different AMD CPU families
such
as
FX (Bulldozer/Piledriver), APU's and so on, as well as people using
Intel
Core/Pentium/Celeron series (up to second batch of 4th generation
Core
processors). If people running AMD CPU's can reproduce this issue,
then
it
is unique to the way AMD handles some stuff, otherwise it's a
software
problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:11 AM
To: JAWS list
Subject: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.
Importance: High

OK, let me recap a bit here for everyone's reference.

I wrote the list about half a week ago somewhere around the 4th of
the
month. I was having an issue whereby using Windows 8.1 Home
Premium and
all
the updates along with JAWS 15 Pro were producing a very weird
issue.
Even
though under the JAWS window>Options>Basics, I had it set to
automaticly
run
at the logon screen, as well as to run after logon for all users,
and I
had
the combo box set to always, I still found that JAWS refused to
load
after
logon. It worked fine as far as launching at the logon screen
itself,
but
once logged on, it wouldn't autostart.

Most of you all said you were not having this issue with Windows
8.1,
and
had suggested I repair JFW. I did this to absolutely no avale.
One
member
wrote in suggesting it was something to do with the latest Internet
Explorer
update, as once they installed that update, they began having the
same
issue. I must say I found that incredibly hard to relate the two
things
to
one another. How could IE have anything to do with jfw not
starting up.
I
honestly still to this minute hold my opinion that for that person,
it
was
totally bad timing/coencidental. All of this however said, I don't
rule
it
out, but I do find it unlikely. I do! however, have a theory. I
confess
that I've not gotten the chance to call FS quite yet about this. I
plan
to
do so this morning first thing when they open up. Basically
though,
here's
my theory. Again, this may seem kind of like the I E guess. It
may
sound
100% unrelated. Chances are, it probably isn't related in any
respect,
I
agree, but, I'm very much unwilling at this point to look over it,
and
rule
it out as not being possible. I am *not!* running an Intel Pentium
processor. I've got the laptop version of an AMD Athlon. Stupid
as it
may
sound, I have heard of weird things happenning with certain
programs if
you
install them on the wrong type of processor, or on one that isn't
fully
supported. Though I totally! understand that JFW fully supports
all the
major processors from Intel, AMD, to even Celeron, I'm curious if
this
might
be a bug within the AMD architecture and how it plays back into JFW
in a
whole. If anyone's got Windows 8.1, and JAWS 15 with access to an
Athlon
system, laptop or not, I'd be extremely curious to know if you have
this
issue... specifically with jfw 15 in combination with Windows 8.1
64
bit.

Either way, I'll be calling FS here in just a bit, but I figured
I'd
throw
this out there as one final attempt for you guys to help me.

Thanks.

Chris.
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Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Not particularly, as I don't plan to comment any more at all on it. If no one has anything productive related directly to my issue, I'm not going to be saying anything further.

I have nothing against Petro nor his suggestions. That's final.

OK? there! I"m done!

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "George B via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:52 PM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


lol this topic sounds like it needs to be taken to a personal level and off
the list.....

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 13:47
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Whoh! Easy there!

With all due respect, when did I say I didn't give Petro any credit!
All
that I said was that I didn't see how a bios update would help, and
then I
asked him to clarify. On the note of right clicking, all that I said
was
that I already had tried that suggestion. How in the name of heck! is
that
not giving him credit? Egg skeuze? me for just stating a question, and
a
fact!

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:40 PM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Petro, I'm not sure you're getting enough credit here. I just had to
say I
admire your persistence and patience.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Petro
T.
Giannakopoulos via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Right click the JAWS 15 icon and enter on 'run as administrator'.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


I have.

In addition to this, I am low vision, so if anything was indeed
popping
up,
I would have seen it.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Chris
Worth a shot to do. Have you had a sighted person look at the screen
when
this issue happens? Maybe there is something on the screen me and
you do
not
hear?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Well, I spoke with Vicki in FS support, and she insists that it's
not
their
problem, and that something in my task manager is causing the
problem,
but
I've gone into my startup items and disabled everything! yet, still
have
the
issue, just as I suspected that I would.

She was incredibly reluctant to open a support ticket, but I kept
pressing
at her to do so, and finally she did. that said, she told me that
the
ticket probably wouldn't be acted upon unless I tried disabling all
startup
items and it still persisted. Which, of corse, it did. So, yeah,
I'm
not
exactly impressed right now with Tech Support, I have to admit.

She wasn't even willing to acknowledge that it even might! be an
issue on
their end.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Hi Chris,
There are a number of variables to consider regarding this theory:
* Although Intel and AMD uses different microarchitecture (with
same x86
ISA), even different microarchitecture and product families may
create
this
issue. For example, APU's (Accelerated Processing Unit) are
designed as
a
CPU-GPU hybrid, thus programs may or may not respond as quickly as
before
(or after).
* If it is unique to JFW15 (not to an earlier version) and for 64-
bit
Windows 8.1, chances are that something weird is going on in the
startup
code after you log into Windows (this tells me that FS might be
using a
newer update of VS2010/2012 to compile JFW).
* It might not be hardware at all - perhaps a group policy setting
might
have changed things, startup scans and so on. If System Restore
didn't
help,
then we need to do something more advanced.
* To be sure on this theory (rather, a hypothesis, in my opinion),
we
need
people willing to test your scenario on different AMD CPU families
such
as
FX (Bulldozer/Piledriver), APU's and so on, as well as people using
Intel
Core/Pentium/Celeron series (up to second batch of 4th generation
Core
processors). If people running AMD CPU's can reproduce this issue,
then
it
is unique to the way AMD handles some stuff, otherwise it's a
software
problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:11 AM
To: JAWS list
Subject: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.
Importance: High

OK, let me recap a bit here for everyone's reference.

I wrote the list about half a week ago somewhere around the 4th of
the
month. I was having an issue whereby using Windows 8.1 Home
Premium and
all
the updates along with JAWS 15 Pro were producing a very weird
issue.
Even
though under the JAWS window>Options>Basics, I had it set to
automaticly
run
at the logon screen, as well as to run after logon for all users,
and I
had
the combo box set to always, I still found that JAWS refused to
load
after
logon. It worked fine as far as launching at the logon screen
itself,
but
once logged on, it wouldn't autostart.

Most of you all said you were not having this issue with Windows
8.1,
and
had suggested I repair JFW. I did this to absolutely no avale.
One
member
wrote in suggesting it was something to do with the latest Internet
Explorer
update, as once they installed that update, they began having the
same
issue. I must say I found that incredibly hard to relate the two
things
to
one another. How could IE have anything to do with jfw not
starting up.
I
honestly still to this minute hold my opinion that for that person,
it
was
totally bad timing/coencidental. All of this however said, I don't
rule
it
out, but I do find it unlikely. I do! however, have a theory. I
confess
that I've not gotten the chance to call FS quite yet about this. I
plan
to
do so this morning first thing when they open up. Basically
though,
here's
my theory. Again, this may seem kind of like the I E guess. It
may
sound
100% unrelated. Chances are, it probably isn't related in any
respect,
I
agree, but, I'm very much unwilling at this point to look over it,
and
rule
it out as not being possible. I am *not!* running an Intel Pentium
processor. I've got the laptop version of an AMD Athlon. Stupid
as it
may
sound, I have heard of weird things happenning with certain
programs if
you
install them on the wrong type of processor, or on one that isn't
fully
supported. Though I totally! understand that JFW fully supports
all the
major processors from Intel, AMD, to even Celeron, I'm curious if
this
might
be a bug within the AMD architecture and how it plays back into JFW
in a
whole. If anyone's got Windows 8.1, and JAWS 15 with access to an
Athlon
system, laptop or not, I'd be extremely curious to know if you have
this
issue... specifically with jfw 15 in combination with Windows 8.1
64
bit.

Either way, I'll be calling FS here in just a bit, but I figured
I'd
throw
this out there as one final attempt for you guys to help me.

Thanks.

Chris.
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Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

George B via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

lol this topic sounds like it needs to be taken to a personal level and off
the list.....

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 13:47
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Whoh! Easy there!

With all due respect, when did I say I didn't give Petro any credit!
All
that I said was that I didn't see how a bios update would help, and
then I
asked him to clarify. On the note of right clicking, all that I said
was
that I already had tried that suggestion. How in the name of heck! is
that
not giving him credit? Egg skeuze? me for just stating a question, and
a
fact!

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:40 PM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Petro, I'm not sure you're getting enough credit here. I just had to
say I
admire your persistence and patience.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Petro
T.
Giannakopoulos via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Right click the JAWS 15 icon and enter on 'run as administrator'.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


I have.

In addition to this, I am low vision, so if anything was indeed
popping
up,
I would have seen it.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Chris
Worth a shot to do. Have you had a sighted person look at the screen
when
this issue happens? Maybe there is something on the screen me and
you do
not
hear?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Well, I spoke with Vicki in FS support, and she insists that it's
not
their
problem, and that something in my task manager is causing the
problem,
but
I've gone into my startup items and disabled everything! yet, still
have
the
issue, just as I suspected that I would.

She was incredibly reluctant to open a support ticket, but I kept
pressing
at her to do so, and finally she did. that said, she told me that
the
ticket probably wouldn't be acted upon unless I tried disabling all
startup
items and it still persisted. Which, of corse, it did. So, yeah,
I'm
not
exactly impressed right now with Tech Support, I have to admit.

She wasn't even willing to acknowledge that it even might! be an
issue on
their end.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Hi Chris,
There are a number of variables to consider regarding this theory:
* Although Intel and AMD uses different microarchitecture (with
same x86
ISA), even different microarchitecture and product families may
create
this
issue. For example, APU's (Accelerated Processing Unit) are
designed as
a
CPU-GPU hybrid, thus programs may or may not respond as quickly as
before
(or after).
* If it is unique to JFW15 (not to an earlier version) and for 64-
bit
Windows 8.1, chances are that something weird is going on in the
startup
code after you log into Windows (this tells me that FS might be
using a
newer update of VS2010/2012 to compile JFW).
* It might not be hardware at all - perhaps a group policy setting
might
have changed things, startup scans and so on. If System Restore
didn't
help,
then we need to do something more advanced.
* To be sure on this theory (rather, a hypothesis, in my opinion),
we
need
people willing to test your scenario on different AMD CPU families
such
as
FX (Bulldozer/Piledriver), APU's and so on, as well as people using
Intel
Core/Pentium/Celeron series (up to second batch of 4th generation
Core
processors). If people running AMD CPU's can reproduce this issue,
then
it
is unique to the way AMD handles some stuff, otherwise it's a
software
problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:11 AM
To: JAWS list
Subject: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.
Importance: High

OK, let me recap a bit here for everyone's reference.

I wrote the list about half a week ago somewhere around the 4th of
the
month. I was having an issue whereby using Windows 8.1 Home
Premium and
all
the updates along with JAWS 15 Pro were producing a very weird
issue.
Even
though under the JAWS window>Options>Basics, I had it set to
automaticly
run
at the logon screen, as well as to run after logon for all users,
and I
had
the combo box set to always, I still found that JAWS refused to
load
after
logon. It worked fine as far as launching at the logon screen
itself,
but
once logged on, it wouldn't autostart.

Most of you all said you were not having this issue with Windows
8.1,
and
had suggested I repair JFW. I did this to absolutely no avale.
One
member
wrote in suggesting it was something to do with the latest Internet
Explorer
update, as once they installed that update, they began having the
same
issue. I must say I found that incredibly hard to relate the two
things
to
one another. How could IE have anything to do with jfw not
starting up.
I
honestly still to this minute hold my opinion that for that person,
it
was
totally bad timing/coencidental. All of this however said, I don't
rule
it
out, but I do find it unlikely. I do! however, have a theory. I
confess
that I've not gotten the chance to call FS quite yet about this. I
plan
to
do so this morning first thing when they open up. Basically
though,
here's
my theory. Again, this may seem kind of like the I E guess. It
may
sound
100% unrelated. Chances are, it probably isn't related in any
respect,
I
agree, but, I'm very much unwilling at this point to look over it,
and
rule
it out as not being possible. I am *not!* running an Intel Pentium
processor. I've got the laptop version of an AMD Athlon. Stupid
as it
may
sound, I have heard of weird things happenning with certain
programs if
you
install them on the wrong type of processor, or on one that isn't
fully
supported. Though I totally! understand that JFW fully supports
all the
major processors from Intel, AMD, to even Celeron, I'm curious if
this
might
be a bug within the AMD architecture and how it plays back into JFW
in a
whole. If anyone's got Windows 8.1, and JAWS 15 with access to an
Athlon
system, laptop or not, I'd be extremely curious to know if you have
this
issue... specifically with jfw 15 in combination with Windows 8.1
64
bit.

Either way, I'll be calling FS here in just a bit, but I figured
I'd
throw
this out there as one final attempt for you guys to help me.

Thanks.

Chris.
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Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Whoh! Easy there!

With all due respect, when did I say I didn't give Petro any credit! All that I said was that I didn't see how a bios update would help, and then I asked him to clarify. On the note of right clicking, all that I said was that I already had tried that suggestion. How in the name of heck! is that not giving him credit? Egg skeuze? me for just stating a question, and a fact!

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:40 PM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Petro, I'm not sure you're getting enough credit here. I just had to say I admire your persistence and patience.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Right click the JAWS 15 icon and enter on 'run as administrator'.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


I have.

In addition to this, I am low vision, so if anything was indeed popping up,
I would have seen it.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Chris
Worth a shot to do. Have you had a sighted person look at the screen when
this issue happens? Maybe there is something on the screen me and you do
not
hear?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Well, I spoke with Vicki in FS support, and she insists that it's not
their
problem, and that something in my task manager is causing the problem, but
I've gone into my startup items and disabled everything! yet, still have
the
issue, just as I suspected that I would.

She was incredibly reluctant to open a support ticket, but I kept pressing
at her to do so, and finally she did. that said, she told me that the
ticket probably wouldn't be acted upon unless I tried disabling all
startup
items and it still persisted. Which, of corse, it did. So, yeah, I'm not
exactly impressed right now with Tech Support, I have to admit.

She wasn't even willing to acknowledge that it even might! be an issue on
their end.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Hi Chris,
There are a number of variables to consider regarding this theory:
* Although Intel and AMD uses different microarchitecture (with same x86
ISA), even different microarchitecture and product families may create
this
issue. For example, APU's (Accelerated Processing Unit) are designed as a
CPU-GPU hybrid, thus programs may or may not respond as quickly as before
(or after).
* If it is unique to JFW15 (not to an earlier version) and for 64-bit
Windows 8.1, chances are that something weird is going on in the startup
code after you log into Windows (this tells me that FS might be using a
newer update of VS2010/2012 to compile JFW).
* It might not be hardware at all - perhaps a group policy setting might
have changed things, startup scans and so on. If System Restore didn't
help,
then we need to do something more advanced.
* To be sure on this theory (rather, a hypothesis, in my opinion), we
need
people willing to test your scenario on different AMD CPU families such
as
FX (Bulldozer/Piledriver), APU's and so on, as well as people using Intel
Core/Pentium/Celeron series (up to second batch of 4th generation Core
processors). If people running AMD CPU's can reproduce this issue, then
it
is unique to the way AMD handles some stuff, otherwise it's a software
problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:11 AM
To: JAWS list
Subject: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.
Importance: High

OK, let me recap a bit here for everyone's reference.

I wrote the list about half a week ago somewhere around the 4th of the
month. I was having an issue whereby using Windows 8.1 Home Premium and
all
the updates along with JAWS 15 Pro were producing a very weird issue.
Even
though under the JAWS window>Options>Basics, I had it set to automaticly
run
at the logon screen, as well as to run after logon for all users, and I
had
the combo box set to always, I still found that JAWS refused to load
after
logon. It worked fine as far as launching at the logon screen itself,
but
once logged on, it wouldn't autostart.

Most of you all said you were not having this issue with Windows 8.1, and
had suggested I repair JFW. I did this to absolutely no avale. One
member
wrote in suggesting it was something to do with the latest Internet
Explorer
update, as once they installed that update, they began having the same
issue. I must say I found that incredibly hard to relate the two things
to
one another. How could IE have anything to do with jfw not starting up.
I
honestly still to this minute hold my opinion that for that person, it
was
totally bad timing/coencidental. All of this however said, I don't rule
it
out, but I do find it unlikely. I do! however, have a theory. I confess
that I've not gotten the chance to call FS quite yet about this. I plan
to
do so this morning first thing when they open up. Basically though,
here's
my theory. Again, this may seem kind of like the I E guess. It may
sound
100% unrelated. Chances are, it probably isn't related in any respect, I
agree, but, I'm very much unwilling at this point to look over it, and
rule
it out as not being possible. I am *not!* running an Intel Pentium
processor. I've got the laptop version of an AMD Athlon. Stupid as it
may
sound, I have heard of weird things happenning with certain programs if
you
install them on the wrong type of processor, or on one that isn't fully
supported. Though I totally! understand that JFW fully supports all the
major processors from Intel, AMD, to even Celeron, I'm curious if this
might
be a bug within the AMD architecture and how it plays back into JFW in a
whole. If anyone's got Windows 8.1, and JAWS 15 with access to an Athlon
system, laptop or not, I'd be extremely curious to know if you have this
issue... specifically with jfw 15 in combination with Windows 8.1 64
bit.

Either way, I'll be calling FS here in just a bit, but I figured I'd
throw
this out there as one final attempt for you guys to help me.

Thanks.

Chris.
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Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Adrian Spratt via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Petro, I'm not sure you're getting enough credit here. I just had to say I admire your persistence and patience.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Right click the JAWS 15 icon and enter on 'run as administrator'.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


I have.

In addition to this, I am low vision, so if anything was indeed popping up,
I would have seen it.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Chris
Worth a shot to do. Have you had a sighted person look at the screen when
this issue happens? Maybe there is something on the screen me and you do
not
hear?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Well, I spoke with Vicki in FS support, and she insists that it's not
their
problem, and that something in my task manager is causing the problem, but
I've gone into my startup items and disabled everything! yet, still have
the
issue, just as I suspected that I would.

She was incredibly reluctant to open a support ticket, but I kept pressing
at her to do so, and finally she did. that said, she told me that the
ticket probably wouldn't be acted upon unless I tried disabling all
startup
items and it still persisted. Which, of corse, it did. So, yeah, I'm not
exactly impressed right now with Tech Support, I have to admit.

She wasn't even willing to acknowledge that it even might! be an issue on
their end.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Hi Chris,
There are a number of variables to consider regarding this theory:
* Although Intel and AMD uses different microarchitecture (with same x86
ISA), even different microarchitecture and product families may create
this
issue. For example, APU's (Accelerated Processing Unit) are designed as a
CPU-GPU hybrid, thus programs may or may not respond as quickly as before
(or after).
* If it is unique to JFW15 (not to an earlier version) and for 64-bit
Windows 8.1, chances are that something weird is going on in the startup
code after you log into Windows (this tells me that FS might be using a
newer update of VS2010/2012 to compile JFW).
* It might not be hardware at all - perhaps a group policy setting might
have changed things, startup scans and so on. If System Restore didn't
help,
then we need to do something more advanced.
* To be sure on this theory (rather, a hypothesis, in my opinion), we
need
people willing to test your scenario on different AMD CPU families such
as
FX (Bulldozer/Piledriver), APU's and so on, as well as people using Intel
Core/Pentium/Celeron series (up to second batch of 4th generation Core
processors). If people running AMD CPU's can reproduce this issue, then
it
is unique to the way AMD handles some stuff, otherwise it's a software
problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:11 AM
To: JAWS list
Subject: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.
Importance: High

OK, let me recap a bit here for everyone's reference.

I wrote the list about half a week ago somewhere around the 4th of the
month. I was having an issue whereby using Windows 8.1 Home Premium and
all
the updates along with JAWS 15 Pro were producing a very weird issue.
Even
though under the JAWS window>Options>Basics, I had it set to automaticly
run
at the logon screen, as well as to run after logon for all users, and I
had
the combo box set to always, I still found that JAWS refused to load
after
logon. It worked fine as far as launching at the logon screen itself,
but
once logged on, it wouldn't autostart.

Most of you all said you were not having this issue with Windows 8.1, and
had suggested I repair JFW. I did this to absolutely no avale. One
member
wrote in suggesting it was something to do with the latest Internet
Explorer
update, as once they installed that update, they began having the same
issue. I must say I found that incredibly hard to relate the two things
to
one another. How could IE have anything to do with jfw not starting up.
I
honestly still to this minute hold my opinion that for that person, it
was
totally bad timing/coencidental. All of this however said, I don't rule
it
out, but I do find it unlikely. I do! however, have a theory. I confess
that I've not gotten the chance to call FS quite yet about this. I plan
to
do so this morning first thing when they open up. Basically though,
here's
my theory. Again, this may seem kind of like the I E guess. It may
sound
100% unrelated. Chances are, it probably isn't related in any respect, I
agree, but, I'm very much unwilling at this point to look over it, and
rule
it out as not being possible. I am *not!* running an Intel Pentium
processor. I've got the laptop version of an AMD Athlon. Stupid as it
may
sound, I have heard of weird things happenning with certain programs if
you
install them on the wrong type of processor, or on one that isn't fully
supported. Though I totally! understand that JFW fully supports all the
major processors from Intel, AMD, to even Celeron, I'm curious if this
might
be a bug within the AMD architecture and how it plays back into JFW in a
whole. If anyone's got Windows 8.1, and JAWS 15 with access to an Athlon
system, laptop or not, I'd be extremely curious to know if you have this
issue... specifically with jfw 15 in combination with Windows 8.1 64
bit.

Either way, I'll be calling FS here in just a bit, but I figured I'd
throw
this out there as one final attempt for you guys to help me.

Thanks.

Chris.
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Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Tried that as well.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Right click the JAWS 15 icon and enter on 'run as administrator'.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


I have.

In addition to this, I am low vision, so if anything was indeed popping up,
I would have seen it.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Chris
Worth a shot to do. Have you had a sighted person look at the screen when
this issue happens? Maybe there is something on the screen me and you do
not
hear?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Well, I spoke with Vicki in FS support, and she insists that it's not
their
problem, and that something in my task manager is causing the problem, but
I've gone into my startup items and disabled everything! yet, still have
the
issue, just as I suspected that I would.

She was incredibly reluctant to open a support ticket, but I kept pressing
at her to do so, and finally she did. that said, she told me that the
ticket probably wouldn't be acted upon unless I tried disabling all
startup
items and it still persisted. Which, of corse, it did. So, yeah, I'm not
exactly impressed right now with Tech Support, I have to admit.

She wasn't even willing to acknowledge that it even might! be an issue on
their end.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Hi Chris,
There are a number of variables to consider regarding this theory:
* Although Intel and AMD uses different microarchitecture (with same x86
ISA), even different microarchitecture and product families may create
this
issue. For example, APU's (Accelerated Processing Unit) are designed as a
CPU-GPU hybrid, thus programs may or may not respond as quickly as before
(or after).
* If it is unique to JFW15 (not to an earlier version) and for 64-bit
Windows 8.1, chances are that something weird is going on in the startup
code after you log into Windows (this tells me that FS might be using a
newer update of VS2010/2012 to compile JFW).
* It might not be hardware at all - perhaps a group policy setting might
have changed things, startup scans and so on. If System Restore didn't
help,
then we need to do something more advanced.
* To be sure on this theory (rather, a hypothesis, in my opinion), we
need
people willing to test your scenario on different AMD CPU families such
as
FX (Bulldozer/Piledriver), APU's and so on, as well as people using Intel
Core/Pentium/Celeron series (up to second batch of 4th generation Core
processors). If people running AMD CPU's can reproduce this issue, then
it
is unique to the way AMD handles some stuff, otherwise it's a software
problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:11 AM
To: JAWS list
Subject: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.
Importance: High

OK, let me recap a bit here for everyone's reference.

I wrote the list about half a week ago somewhere around the 4th of the
month. I was having an issue whereby using Windows 8.1 Home Premium and
all
the updates along with JAWS 15 Pro were producing a very weird issue.
Even
though under the JAWS window>Options>Basics, I had it set to automaticly
run
at the logon screen, as well as to run after logon for all users, and I
had
the combo box set to always, I still found that JAWS refused to load
after
logon. It worked fine as far as launching at the logon screen itself,
but
once logged on, it wouldn't autostart.

Most of you all said you were not having this issue with Windows 8.1, and
had suggested I repair JFW. I did this to absolutely no avale. One
member
wrote in suggesting it was something to do with the latest Internet
Explorer
update, as once they installed that update, they began having the same
issue. I must say I found that incredibly hard to relate the two things
to
one another. How could IE have anything to do with jfw not starting up.
I
honestly still to this minute hold my opinion that for that person, it
was
totally bad timing/coencidental. All of this however said, I don't rule
it
out, but I do find it unlikely. I do! however, have a theory. I confess
that I've not gotten the chance to call FS quite yet about this. I plan
to
do so this morning first thing when they open up. Basically though,
here's
my theory. Again, this may seem kind of like the I E guess. It may
sound
100% unrelated. Chances are, it probably isn't related in any respect, I
agree, but, I'm very much unwilling at this point to look over it, and
rule
it out as not being possible. I am *not!* running an Intel Pentium
processor. I've got the laptop version of an AMD Athlon. Stupid as it
may
sound, I have heard of weird things happenning with certain programs if
you
install them on the wrong type of processor, or on one that isn't fully
supported. Though I totally! understand that JFW fully supports all the
major processors from Intel, AMD, to even Celeron, I'm curious if this
might
be a bug within the AMD architecture and how it plays back into JFW in a
whole. If anyone's got Windows 8.1, and JAWS 15 with access to an Athlon
system, laptop or not, I'd be extremely curious to know if you have this
issue... specifically with jfw 15 in combination with Windows 8.1 64
bit.

Either way, I'll be calling FS here in just a bit, but I figured I'd
throw
this out there as one final attempt for you guys to help me.

Thanks.

Chris.
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Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Yeppers, in both cases. Been there done them, gotta t shirt to prove it.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Chris
Just trying to help here. Have you unplugged all devices, USB and all and
see what happens?
What about the UAC - User Account Control. maybe set it to no, 0%, off and
see how JAWS functions.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


I have.

In addition to this, I am low vision, so if anything was indeed popping up,
I would have seen it.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Chris
Worth a shot to do. Have you had a sighted person look at the screen when
this issue happens? Maybe there is something on the screen me and you do
not
hear?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Well, I spoke with Vicki in FS support, and she insists that it's not
their
problem, and that something in my task manager is causing the problem, but
I've gone into my startup items and disabled everything! yet, still have
the
issue, just as I suspected that I would.

She was incredibly reluctant to open a support ticket, but I kept pressing
at her to do so, and finally she did. that said, she told me that the
ticket probably wouldn't be acted upon unless I tried disabling all
startup
items and it still persisted. Which, of corse, it did. So, yeah, I'm not
exactly impressed right now with Tech Support, I have to admit.

She wasn't even willing to acknowledge that it even might! be an issue on
their end.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Hi Chris,
There are a number of variables to consider regarding this theory:
* Although Intel and AMD uses different microarchitecture (with same x86
ISA), even different microarchitecture and product families may create
this
issue. For example, APU's (Accelerated Processing Unit) are designed as a
CPU-GPU hybrid, thus programs may or may not respond as quickly as before
(or after).
* If it is unique to JFW15 (not to an earlier version) and for 64-bit
Windows 8.1, chances are that something weird is going on in the startup
code after you log into Windows (this tells me that FS might be using a
newer update of VS2010/2012 to compile JFW).
* It might not be hardware at all - perhaps a group policy setting might
have changed things, startup scans and so on. If System Restore didn't
help,
then we need to do something more advanced.
* To be sure on this theory (rather, a hypothesis, in my opinion), we
need
people willing to test your scenario on different AMD CPU families such
as
FX (Bulldozer/Piledriver), APU's and so on, as well as people using Intel
Core/Pentium/Celeron series (up to second batch of 4th generation Core
processors). If people running AMD CPU's can reproduce this issue, then
it
is unique to the way AMD handles some stuff, otherwise it's a software
problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:11 AM
To: JAWS list
Subject: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.
Importance: High

OK, let me recap a bit here for everyone's reference.

I wrote the list about half a week ago somewhere around the 4th of the
month. I was having an issue whereby using Windows 8.1 Home Premium and
all
the updates along with JAWS 15 Pro were producing a very weird issue.
Even
though under the JAWS window>Options>Basics, I had it set to automaticly
run
at the logon screen, as well as to run after logon for all users, and I
had
the combo box set to always, I still found that JAWS refused to load
after
logon. It worked fine as far as launching at the logon screen itself,
but
once logged on, it wouldn't autostart.

Most of you all said you were not having this issue with Windows 8.1, and
had suggested I repair JFW. I did this to absolutely no avale. One
member
wrote in suggesting it was something to do with the latest Internet
Explorer
update, as once they installed that update, they began having the same
issue. I must say I found that incredibly hard to relate the two things
to
one another. How could IE have anything to do with jfw not starting up.
I
honestly still to this minute hold my opinion that for that person, it
was
totally bad timing/coencidental. All of this however said, I don't rule
it
out, but I do find it unlikely. I do! however, have a theory. I confess
that I've not gotten the chance to call FS quite yet about this. I plan
to
do so this morning first thing when they open up. Basically though,
here's
my theory. Again, this may seem kind of like the I E guess. It may
sound
100% unrelated. Chances are, it probably isn't related in any respect, I
agree, but, I'm very much unwilling at this point to look over it, and
rule
it out as not being possible. I am *not!* running an Intel Pentium
processor. I've got the laptop version of an AMD Athlon. Stupid as it
may
sound, I have heard of weird things happenning with certain programs if
you
install them on the wrong type of processor, or on one that isn't fully
supported. Though I totally! understand that JFW fully supports all the
major processors from Intel, AMD, to even Celeron, I'm curious if this
might
be a bug within the AMD architecture and how it plays back into JFW in a
whole. If anyone's got Windows 8.1, and JAWS 15 with access to an Athlon
system, laptop or not, I'd be extremely curious to know if you have this
issue... specifically with jfw 15 in combination with Windows 8.1 64
bit.

Either way, I'll be calling FS here in just a bit, but I figured I'd
throw
this out there as one final attempt for you guys to help me.

Thanks.

Chris.
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Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Hmm!

Dumb question, probably not, but I wonder if it's gotta do with it being 32 vs. 64 bit.

I just got off the line with Dennis from tech support, and he even tandommed into my system. He looked around and saw absolutely nothing. We are noticing when hitting insert+F10 to open the jaws apps list, there are about 2 or 3 entries which jfw is not focussing on which say something to the effect of Microsoft Windows 8 operating system. He thinks these are alerts coming up on the screen or which may be down in the system tray area not being read. Alt+tab won't get me to them. I told him that I had enough vision to see the screen well enough to tell that there absolutely is *no!* alert whatsoever coming up on the screen. There isn't even an icon in the taskbar nor in the notification area. I had my mother look who last eye exam was told to have 20 20 vision, literally, and she, neither saw any alerts of any type. We went into ms config and disabled all startup items that were non microsoft related in the 3rd party services. We also looked in just the regular task manager and disabled anything in there that looked suspicious. Nothing worked. We even went and made sure to give full access permission to the program files\freedomscientific folder and all inherritted subfolders. Yes, I am running jfw as an administrator. Yes, I am logged in as an administrator, and yes, U A C is disabled.

I totally give up! I don't know what else to do to convince FS that something weird's going on. I even tried this on a friend's laptop who also is running windows 8. I just wanted to see if I could reproduce the problem. I most definitely did. Even on their! system, jfw wouldn't start after the logon.

Before you ask, I'm using Microsoft Bit Defender for my virus scanner, and yes, I did try disabling it with no effect. I'm not so much irritated that I can't get this to work, as much as I'm pissed that FS undoubtedly thinks I'm stupid! They make it sound like I don't have the slightest idea what I'm doing. When I told Dennis all I'd done once he started verbally flying off things to try, he literally stopped dead in his tracks, and literally right in the headset goes... D!*** It's almost like they all think I'm dumb, or something. I mean, come on! It's not like I started using the pc two hours ago and never've seen one before then! Judice Priest!

Chris.


Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Once you have done this ... then run the startup wizzard and set all your
start up things ...

Now that I think about it .. this is what actually fixed the same issue
for me ....


Peter Logan
Database Administrator
SpartanNash INC.
Office: 616/878-8309
Mobile: 616/304-9672





From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Date: 05/12/2014 03:39 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.
Sent by: "Jfw" <jfw-bounces@...>



Right click the JAWS 15 icon and enter on 'run as administrator'.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


I have.

In addition to this, I am low vision, so if anything was indeed popping
up,
I would have seen it.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Chris
Worth a shot to do. Have you had a sighted person look at the screen
when
this issue happens? Maybe there is something on the screen me and you do
not
hear?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Well, I spoke with Vicki in FS support, and she insists that it's not
their
problem, and that something in my task manager is causing the problem,
but
I've gone into my startup items and disabled everything! yet, still have
the
issue, just as I suspected that I would.

She was incredibly reluctant to open a support ticket, but I kept
pressing
at her to do so, and finally she did. that said, she told me that the
ticket probably wouldn't be acted upon unless I tried disabling all
startup
items and it still persisted. Which, of corse, it did. So, yeah, I'm
not
exactly impressed right now with Tech Support, I have to admit.

She wasn't even willing to acknowledge that it even might! be an issue
on
their end.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Hi Chris,
There are a number of variables to consider regarding this theory:
* Although Intel and AMD uses different microarchitecture (with same
x86
ISA), even different microarchitecture and product families may create
this
issue. For example, APU's (Accelerated Processing Unit) are designed as
a
CPU-GPU hybrid, thus programs may or may not respond as quickly as
before
(or after).
* If it is unique to JFW15 (not to an earlier version) and for 64-bit
Windows 8.1, chances are that something weird is going on in the
startup
code after you log into Windows (this tells me that FS might be using a
newer update of VS2010/2012 to compile JFW).
* It might not be hardware at all - perhaps a group policy setting
might
have changed things, startup scans and so on. If System Restore didn't
help,
then we need to do something more advanced.
* To be sure on this theory (rather, a hypothesis, in my opinion), we
need
people willing to test your scenario on different AMD CPU families such
as
FX (Bulldozer/Piledriver), APU's and so on, as well as people using
Intel
Core/Pentium/Celeron series (up to second batch of 4th generation Core
processors). If people running AMD CPU's can reproduce this issue, then
it
is unique to the way AMD handles some stuff, otherwise it's a software
problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:11 AM
To: JAWS list
Subject: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.
Importance: High

OK, let me recap a bit here for everyone's reference.

I wrote the list about half a week ago somewhere around the 4th of the
month. I was having an issue whereby using Windows 8.1 Home Premium
and
all
the updates along with JAWS 15 Pro were producing a very weird issue.
Even
though under the JAWS window>Options>Basics, I had it set to
automaticly
run
at the logon screen, as well as to run after logon for all users, and I
had
the combo box set to always, I still found that JAWS refused to load
after
logon. It worked fine as far as launching at the logon screen itself,
but
once logged on, it wouldn't autostart.

Most of you all said you were not having this issue with Windows 8.1,
and
had suggested I repair JFW. I did this to absolutely no avale. One
member
wrote in suggesting it was something to do with the latest Internet
Explorer
update, as once they installed that update, they began having the same
issue. I must say I found that incredibly hard to relate the two
things
to
one another. How could IE have anything to do with jfw not starting
up.
I
honestly still to this minute hold my opinion that for that person, it
was
totally bad timing/coencidental. All of this however said, I don't
rule
it
out, but I do find it unlikely. I do! however, have a theory. I
confess
that I've not gotten the chance to call FS quite yet about this. I
plan
to
do so this morning first thing when they open up. Basically though,
here's
my theory. Again, this may seem kind of like the I E guess. It may
sound
100% unrelated. Chances are, it probably isn't related in any respect,
I
agree, but, I'm very much unwilling at this point to look over it, and
rule
it out as not being possible. I am *not!* running an Intel Pentium
processor. I've got the laptop version of an AMD Athlon. Stupid as it
may
sound, I have heard of weird things happenning with certain programs if
you
install them on the wrong type of processor, or on one that isn't fully
supported. Though I totally! understand that JFW fully supports all
the
major processors from Intel, AMD, to even Celeron, I'm curious if this
might
be a bug within the AMD architecture and how it plays back into JFW in
a
whole. If anyone's got Windows 8.1, and JAWS 15 with access to an
Athlon
system, laptop or not, I'd be extremely curious to know if you have
this
issue... specifically with jfw 15 in combination with Windows 8.1 64
bit.

Either way, I'll be calling FS here in just a bit, but I figured I'd
throw
this out there as one final attempt for you guys to help me.

Thanks.

Chris.
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Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Rotsa ruck on that one, if you don't really have administrative privileges on a network machine. That's about the silliest Windows option yet, as, if it were that easy, anyone could be an administrator on anything.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Right click the JAWS 15 icon and enter on 'run as administrator'.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


I have.

In addition to this, I am low vision, so if anything was indeed popping up,
I would have seen it.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Chris
Worth a shot to do. Have you had a sighted person look at the screen when
this issue happens? Maybe there is something on the screen me and you do
not
hear?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Well, I spoke with Vicki in FS support, and she insists that it's not
their
problem, and that something in my task manager is causing the problem, but
I've gone into my startup items and disabled everything! yet, still have
the
issue, just as I suspected that I would.

She was incredibly reluctant to open a support ticket, but I kept pressing
at her to do so, and finally she did. that said, she told me that the
ticket probably wouldn't be acted upon unless I tried disabling all
startup
items and it still persisted. Which, of corse, it did. So, yeah, I'm not
exactly impressed right now with Tech Support, I have to admit.

She wasn't even willing to acknowledge that it even might! be an issue on
their end.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Hi Chris,
There are a number of variables to consider regarding this theory:
* Although Intel and AMD uses different microarchitecture (with same x86
ISA), even different microarchitecture and product families may create
this
issue. For example, APU's (Accelerated Processing Unit) are designed as a
CPU-GPU hybrid, thus programs may or may not respond as quickly as before
(or after).
* If it is unique to JFW15 (not to an earlier version) and for 64-bit
Windows 8.1, chances are that something weird is going on in the startup
code after you log into Windows (this tells me that FS might be using a
newer update of VS2010/2012 to compile JFW).
* It might not be hardware at all - perhaps a group policy setting might
have changed things, startup scans and so on. If System Restore didn't
help,
then we need to do something more advanced.
* To be sure on this theory (rather, a hypothesis, in my opinion), we
need
people willing to test your scenario on different AMD CPU families such
as
FX (Bulldozer/Piledriver), APU's and so on, as well as people using Intel
Core/Pentium/Celeron series (up to second batch of 4th generation Core
processors). If people running AMD CPU's can reproduce this issue, then
it
is unique to the way AMD handles some stuff, otherwise it's a software
problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:11 AM
To: JAWS list
Subject: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.
Importance: High

OK, let me recap a bit here for everyone's reference.

I wrote the list about half a week ago somewhere around the 4th of the
month. I was having an issue whereby using Windows 8.1 Home Premium and
all
the updates along with JAWS 15 Pro were producing a very weird issue.
Even
though under the JAWS window>Options>Basics, I had it set to automaticly
run
at the logon screen, as well as to run after logon for all users, and I
had
the combo box set to always, I still found that JAWS refused to load
after
logon. It worked fine as far as launching at the logon screen itself,
but
once logged on, it wouldn't autostart.

Most of you all said you were not having this issue with Windows 8.1, and
had suggested I repair JFW. I did this to absolutely no avale. One
member
wrote in suggesting it was something to do with the latest Internet
Explorer
update, as once they installed that update, they began having the same
issue. I must say I found that incredibly hard to relate the two things
to
one another. How could IE have anything to do with jfw not starting up.
I
honestly still to this minute hold my opinion that for that person, it
was
totally bad timing/coencidental. All of this however said, I don't rule
it
out, but I do find it unlikely. I do! however, have a theory. I confess
that I've not gotten the chance to call FS quite yet about this. I plan
to
do so this morning first thing when they open up. Basically though,
here's
my theory. Again, this may seem kind of like the I E guess. It may
sound
100% unrelated. Chances are, it probably isn't related in any respect, I
agree, but, I'm very much unwilling at this point to look over it, and
rule
it out as not being possible. I am *not!* running an Intel Pentium
processor. I've got the laptop version of an AMD Athlon. Stupid as it
may
sound, I have heard of weird things happenning with certain programs if
you
install them on the wrong type of processor, or on one that isn't fully
supported. Though I totally! understand that JFW fully supports all the
major processors from Intel, AMD, to even Celeron, I'm curious if this
might
be a bug within the AMD architecture and how it plays back into JFW in a
whole. If anyone's got Windows 8.1, and JAWS 15 with access to an Athlon
system, laptop or not, I'd be extremely curious to know if you have this
issue... specifically with jfw 15 in combination with Windows 8.1 64
bit.

Either way, I'll be calling FS here in just a bit, but I figured I'd
throw
this out there as one final attempt for you guys to help me.

Thanks.

Chris.
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Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Right click the JAWS 15 icon and enter on 'run as administrator'.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


I have.

In addition to this, I am low vision, so if anything was indeed popping up,
I would have seen it.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Chris
Worth a shot to do. Have you had a sighted person look at the screen when
this issue happens? Maybe there is something on the screen me and you do
not
hear?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Well, I spoke with Vicki in FS support, and she insists that it's not
their
problem, and that something in my task manager is causing the problem, but
I've gone into my startup items and disabled everything! yet, still have
the
issue, just as I suspected that I would.

She was incredibly reluctant to open a support ticket, but I kept pressing
at her to do so, and finally she did. that said, she told me that the
ticket probably wouldn't be acted upon unless I tried disabling all
startup
items and it still persisted. Which, of corse, it did. So, yeah, I'm not
exactly impressed right now with Tech Support, I have to admit.

She wasn't even willing to acknowledge that it even might! be an issue on
their end.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Hi Chris,
There are a number of variables to consider regarding this theory:
* Although Intel and AMD uses different microarchitecture (with same x86
ISA), even different microarchitecture and product families may create
this
issue. For example, APU's (Accelerated Processing Unit) are designed as a
CPU-GPU hybrid, thus programs may or may not respond as quickly as before
(or after).
* If it is unique to JFW15 (not to an earlier version) and for 64-bit
Windows 8.1, chances are that something weird is going on in the startup
code after you log into Windows (this tells me that FS might be using a
newer update of VS2010/2012 to compile JFW).
* It might not be hardware at all - perhaps a group policy setting might
have changed things, startup scans and so on. If System Restore didn't
help,
then we need to do something more advanced.
* To be sure on this theory (rather, a hypothesis, in my opinion), we
need
people willing to test your scenario on different AMD CPU families such
as
FX (Bulldozer/Piledriver), APU's and so on, as well as people using Intel
Core/Pentium/Celeron series (up to second batch of 4th generation Core
processors). If people running AMD CPU's can reproduce this issue, then
it
is unique to the way AMD handles some stuff, otherwise it's a software
problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:11 AM
To: JAWS list
Subject: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.
Importance: High

OK, let me recap a bit here for everyone's reference.

I wrote the list about half a week ago somewhere around the 4th of the
month. I was having an issue whereby using Windows 8.1 Home Premium and
all
the updates along with JAWS 15 Pro were producing a very weird issue.
Even
though under the JAWS window>Options>Basics, I had it set to automaticly
run
at the logon screen, as well as to run after logon for all users, and I
had
the combo box set to always, I still found that JAWS refused to load
after
logon. It worked fine as far as launching at the logon screen itself,
but
once logged on, it wouldn't autostart.

Most of you all said you were not having this issue with Windows 8.1, and
had suggested I repair JFW. I did this to absolutely no avale. One
member
wrote in suggesting it was something to do with the latest Internet
Explorer
update, as once they installed that update, they began having the same
issue. I must say I found that incredibly hard to relate the two things
to
one another. How could IE have anything to do with jfw not starting up.
I
honestly still to this minute hold my opinion that for that person, it
was
totally bad timing/coencidental. All of this however said, I don't rule
it
out, but I do find it unlikely. I do! however, have a theory. I confess
that I've not gotten the chance to call FS quite yet about this. I plan
to
do so this morning first thing when they open up. Basically though,
here's
my theory. Again, this may seem kind of like the I E guess. It may
sound
100% unrelated. Chances are, it probably isn't related in any respect, I
agree, but, I'm very much unwilling at this point to look over it, and
rule
it out as not being possible. I am *not!* running an Intel Pentium
processor. I've got the laptop version of an AMD Athlon. Stupid as it
may
sound, I have heard of weird things happenning with certain programs if
you
install them on the wrong type of processor, or on one that isn't fully
supported. Though I totally! understand that JFW fully supports all the
major processors from Intel, AMD, to even Celeron, I'm curious if this
might
be a bug within the AMD architecture and how it plays back into JFW in a
whole. If anyone's got Windows 8.1, and JAWS 15 with access to an Athlon
system, laptop or not, I'd be extremely curious to know if you have this
issue... specifically with jfw 15 in combination with Windows 8.1 64
bit.

Either way, I'll be calling FS here in just a bit, but I figured I'd
throw
this out there as one final attempt for you guys to help me.

Thanks.

Chris.
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Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Chris
Just trying to help here. Have you unplugged all devices, USB and all and
see what happens?
What about the UAC - User Account Control. maybe set it to no, 0%, off and
see how JAWS functions.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


I have.

In addition to this, I am low vision, so if anything was indeed popping up,
I would have seen it.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Chris
Worth a shot to do. Have you had a sighted person look at the screen when
this issue happens? Maybe there is something on the screen me and you do
not
hear?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Well, I spoke with Vicki in FS support, and she insists that it's not
their
problem, and that something in my task manager is causing the problem, but
I've gone into my startup items and disabled everything! yet, still have
the
issue, just as I suspected that I would.

She was incredibly reluctant to open a support ticket, but I kept pressing
at her to do so, and finally she did. that said, she told me that the
ticket probably wouldn't be acted upon unless I tried disabling all
startup
items and it still persisted. Which, of corse, it did. So, yeah, I'm not
exactly impressed right now with Tech Support, I have to admit.

She wasn't even willing to acknowledge that it even might! be an issue on
their end.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Hi Chris,
There are a number of variables to consider regarding this theory:
* Although Intel and AMD uses different microarchitecture (with same x86
ISA), even different microarchitecture and product families may create
this
issue. For example, APU's (Accelerated Processing Unit) are designed as a
CPU-GPU hybrid, thus programs may or may not respond as quickly as before
(or after).
* If it is unique to JFW15 (not to an earlier version) and for 64-bit
Windows 8.1, chances are that something weird is going on in the startup
code after you log into Windows (this tells me that FS might be using a
newer update of VS2010/2012 to compile JFW).
* It might not be hardware at all - perhaps a group policy setting might
have changed things, startup scans and so on. If System Restore didn't
help,
then we need to do something more advanced.
* To be sure on this theory (rather, a hypothesis, in my opinion), we
need
people willing to test your scenario on different AMD CPU families such
as
FX (Bulldozer/Piledriver), APU's and so on, as well as people using Intel
Core/Pentium/Celeron series (up to second batch of 4th generation Core
processors). If people running AMD CPU's can reproduce this issue, then
it
is unique to the way AMD handles some stuff, otherwise it's a software
problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:11 AM
To: JAWS list
Subject: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.
Importance: High

OK, let me recap a bit here for everyone's reference.

I wrote the list about half a week ago somewhere around the 4th of the
month. I was having an issue whereby using Windows 8.1 Home Premium and
all
the updates along with JAWS 15 Pro were producing a very weird issue.
Even
though under the JAWS window>Options>Basics, I had it set to automaticly
run
at the logon screen, as well as to run after logon for all users, and I
had
the combo box set to always, I still found that JAWS refused to load
after
logon. It worked fine as far as launching at the logon screen itself,
but
once logged on, it wouldn't autostart.

Most of you all said you were not having this issue with Windows 8.1, and
had suggested I repair JFW. I did this to absolutely no avale. One
member
wrote in suggesting it was something to do with the latest Internet
Explorer
update, as once they installed that update, they began having the same
issue. I must say I found that incredibly hard to relate the two things
to
one another. How could IE have anything to do with jfw not starting up.
I
honestly still to this minute hold my opinion that for that person, it
was
totally bad timing/coencidental. All of this however said, I don't rule
it
out, but I do find it unlikely. I do! however, have a theory. I confess
that I've not gotten the chance to call FS quite yet about this. I plan
to
do so this morning first thing when they open up. Basically though,
here's
my theory. Again, this may seem kind of like the I E guess. It may
sound
100% unrelated. Chances are, it probably isn't related in any respect, I
agree, but, I'm very much unwilling at this point to look over it, and
rule
it out as not being possible. I am *not!* running an Intel Pentium
processor. I've got the laptop version of an AMD Athlon. Stupid as it
may
sound, I have heard of weird things happenning with certain programs if
you
install them on the wrong type of processor, or on one that isn't fully
supported. Though I totally! understand that JFW fully supports all the
major processors from Intel, AMD, to even Celeron, I'm curious if this
might
be a bug within the AMD architecture and how it plays back into JFW in a
whole. If anyone's got Windows 8.1, and JAWS 15 with access to an Athlon
system, laptop or not, I'd be extremely curious to know if you have this
issue... specifically with jfw 15 in combination with Windows 8.1 64
bit.

Either way, I'll be calling FS here in just a bit, but I figured I'd
throw
this out there as one final attempt for you guys to help me.

Thanks.

Chris.
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Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

I had a similar issue on an IBM Thinkpad ... Intel based ... running
Windows 8.1 Pro ... It was my work machine, and even though I had been
granted "admin" rights to the box ... Until I got our security guys to
give me the full admin rights ... and I ran the install "as
administrator", well the issue then went away ...



Peter Logan
Database Administrator
SpartanNash INC.
Office: 616/878-8309
Mobile: 616/304-9672





From: Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Date: 05/12/2014 03:25 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.
Sent by: "Jfw" <jfw-bounces@...>



I have.

In addition to this, I am low vision, so if anything was indeed popping
up,
I would have seen it.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Chris
Worth a shot to do. Have you had a sighted person look at the screen
when
this issue happens? Maybe there is something on the screen me and you do
not
hear?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Well, I spoke with Vicki in FS support, and she insists that it's not
their
problem, and that something in my task manager is causing the problem,
but
I've gone into my startup items and disabled everything! yet, still have
the
issue, just as I suspected that I would.

She was incredibly reluctant to open a support ticket, but I kept
pressing
at her to do so, and finally she did. that said, she told me that the
ticket probably wouldn't be acted upon unless I tried disabling all
startup
items and it still persisted. Which, of corse, it did. So, yeah, I'm
not
exactly impressed right now with Tech Support, I have to admit.

She wasn't even willing to acknowledge that it even might! be an issue
on
their end.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Hi Chris,
There are a number of variables to consider regarding this theory:
* Although Intel and AMD uses different microarchitecture (with same
x86
ISA), even different microarchitecture and product families may create
this
issue. For example, APU's (Accelerated Processing Unit) are designed as
a
CPU-GPU hybrid, thus programs may or may not respond as quickly as
before
(or after).
* If it is unique to JFW15 (not to an earlier version) and for 64-bit
Windows 8.1, chances are that something weird is going on in the
startup
code after you log into Windows (this tells me that FS might be using a
newer update of VS2010/2012 to compile JFW).
* It might not be hardware at all - perhaps a group policy setting
might
have changed things, startup scans and so on. If System Restore didn't
help,
then we need to do something more advanced.
* To be sure on this theory (rather, a hypothesis, in my opinion), we
need
people willing to test your scenario on different AMD CPU families such
as
FX (Bulldozer/Piledriver), APU's and so on, as well as people using
Intel
Core/Pentium/Celeron series (up to second batch of 4th generation Core
processors). If people running AMD CPU's can reproduce this issue, then
it
is unique to the way AMD handles some stuff, otherwise it's a software
problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:11 AM
To: JAWS list
Subject: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.
Importance: High

OK, let me recap a bit here for everyone's reference.

I wrote the list about half a week ago somewhere around the 4th of the
month. I was having an issue whereby using Windows 8.1 Home Premium
and
all
the updates along with JAWS 15 Pro were producing a very weird issue.
Even
though under the JAWS window>Options>Basics, I had it set to
automaticly
run
at the logon screen, as well as to run after logon for all users, and I
had
the combo box set to always, I still found that JAWS refused to load
after
logon. It worked fine as far as launching at the logon screen itself,
but
once logged on, it wouldn't autostart.

Most of you all said you were not having this issue with Windows 8.1,
and
had suggested I repair JFW. I did this to absolutely no avale. One
member
wrote in suggesting it was something to do with the latest Internet
Explorer
update, as once they installed that update, they began having the same
issue. I must say I found that incredibly hard to relate the two
things
to
one another. How could IE have anything to do with jfw not starting
up.
I
honestly still to this minute hold my opinion that for that person, it
was
totally bad timing/coencidental. All of this however said, I don't
rule
it
out, but I do find it unlikely. I do! however, have a theory. I
confess
that I've not gotten the chance to call FS quite yet about this. I
plan
to
do so this morning first thing when they open up. Basically though,
here's
my theory. Again, this may seem kind of like the I E guess. It may
sound
100% unrelated. Chances are, it probably isn't related in any respect,
I
agree, but, I'm very much unwilling at this point to look over it, and
rule
it out as not being possible. I am *not!* running an Intel Pentium
processor. I've got the laptop version of an AMD Athlon. Stupid as it
may
sound, I have heard of weird things happenning with certain programs if
you
install them on the wrong type of processor, or on one that isn't fully
supported. Though I totally! understand that JFW fully supports all
the
major processors from Intel, AMD, to even Celeron, I'm curious if this
might
be a bug within the AMD architecture and how it plays back into JFW in
a
whole. If anyone's got Windows 8.1, and JAWS 15 with access to an
Athlon
system, laptop or not, I'd be extremely curious to know if you have
this
issue... specifically with jfw 15 in combination with Windows 8.1 64
bit.

Either way, I'll be calling FS here in just a bit, but I figured I'd
throw
this out there as one final attempt for you guys to help me.

Thanks.

Chris.
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Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

I have.

In addition to this, I am low vision, so if anything was indeed popping up, I would have seen it.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Chris
Worth a shot to do. Have you had a sighted person look at the screen when
this issue happens? Maybe there is something on the screen me and you do not
hear?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Well, I spoke with Vicki in FS support, and she insists that it's not their
problem, and that something in my task manager is causing the problem, but
I've gone into my startup items and disabled everything! yet, still have the
issue, just as I suspected that I would.

She was incredibly reluctant to open a support ticket, but I kept pressing
at her to do so, and finally she did. that said, she told me that the
ticket probably wouldn't be acted upon unless I tried disabling all startup
items and it still persisted. Which, of corse, it did. So, yeah, I'm not
exactly impressed right now with Tech Support, I have to admit.

She wasn't even willing to acknowledge that it even might! be an issue on
their end.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Hi Chris,
There are a number of variables to consider regarding this theory:
* Although Intel and AMD uses different microarchitecture (with same x86
ISA), even different microarchitecture and product families may create
this
issue. For example, APU's (Accelerated Processing Unit) are designed as a
CPU-GPU hybrid, thus programs may or may not respond as quickly as before
(or after).
* If it is unique to JFW15 (not to an earlier version) and for 64-bit
Windows 8.1, chances are that something weird is going on in the startup
code after you log into Windows (this tells me that FS might be using a
newer update of VS2010/2012 to compile JFW).
* It might not be hardware at all - perhaps a group policy setting might
have changed things, startup scans and so on. If System Restore didn't
help,
then we need to do something more advanced.
* To be sure on this theory (rather, a hypothesis, in my opinion), we need
people willing to test your scenario on different AMD CPU families such as
FX (Bulldozer/Piledriver), APU's and so on, as well as people using Intel
Core/Pentium/Celeron series (up to second batch of 4th generation Core
processors). If people running AMD CPU's can reproduce this issue, then it
is unique to the way AMD handles some stuff, otherwise it's a software
problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:11 AM
To: JAWS list
Subject: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.
Importance: High

OK, let me recap a bit here for everyone's reference.

I wrote the list about half a week ago somewhere around the 4th of the
month. I was having an issue whereby using Windows 8.1 Home Premium and
all
the updates along with JAWS 15 Pro were producing a very weird issue.
Even
though under the JAWS window>Options>Basics, I had it set to automaticly
run
at the logon screen, as well as to run after logon for all users, and I
had
the combo box set to always, I still found that JAWS refused to load after
logon. It worked fine as far as launching at the logon screen itself, but
once logged on, it wouldn't autostart.

Most of you all said you were not having this issue with Windows 8.1, and
had suggested I repair JFW. I did this to absolutely no avale. One
member
wrote in suggesting it was something to do with the latest Internet
Explorer
update, as once they installed that update, they began having the same
issue. I must say I found that incredibly hard to relate the two things
to
one another. How could IE have anything to do with jfw not starting up.
I
honestly still to this minute hold my opinion that for that person, it was
totally bad timing/coencidental. All of this however said, I don't rule
it
out, but I do find it unlikely. I do! however, have a theory. I confess
that I've not gotten the chance to call FS quite yet about this. I plan
to
do so this morning first thing when they open up. Basically though,
here's
my theory. Again, this may seem kind of like the I E guess. It may sound
100% unrelated. Chances are, it probably isn't related in any respect, I
agree, but, I'm very much unwilling at this point to look over it, and
rule
it out as not being possible. I am *not!* running an Intel Pentium
processor. I've got the laptop version of an AMD Athlon. Stupid as it
may
sound, I have heard of weird things happenning with certain programs if
you
install them on the wrong type of processor, or on one that isn't fully
supported. Though I totally! understand that JFW fully supports all the
major processors from Intel, AMD, to even Celeron, I'm curious if this
might
be a bug within the AMD architecture and how it plays back into JFW in a
whole. If anyone's got Windows 8.1, and JAWS 15 with access to an Athlon
system, laptop or not, I'd be extremely curious to know if you have this
issue... specifically with jfw 15 in combination with Windows 8.1 64 bit.

Either way, I'll be calling FS here in just a bit, but I figured I'd throw
this out there as one final attempt for you guys to help me.

Thanks.

Chris.
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Accessibility of Metro apps? Got any suggestions?

Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Hi there!

I was curious to know if anyone using Windows 8 have played around any with some of the Metro apps that you can get in the Microsoft store. I'm curious if there are any that you all may could suggest that are accessible with jaws 15. I'm always up for trying new things, so I'd be very interested in knowing any findings you all may have experienced in this field.

Thanks much.

Chris.


Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Voy44 via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Hi Chris,

it cannot be the processor, since mine is a Celeron and I am running Win 8.1 32 bit.

Regards,
Nermin


Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.

Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Chris
Worth a shot to do. Have you had a sighted person look at the screen when
this issue happens? Maybe there is something on the screen me and you do not
hear?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Well, I spoke with Vicki in FS support, and she insists that it's not their
problem, and that something in my task manager is causing the problem, but
I've gone into my startup items and disabled everything! yet, still have the
issue, just as I suspected that I would.

She was incredibly reluctant to open a support ticket, but I kept pressing
at her to do so, and finally she did. that said, she told me that the
ticket probably wouldn't be acted upon unless I tried disabling all startup
items and it still persisted. Which, of corse, it did. So, yeah, I'm not
exactly impressed right now with Tech Support, I have to admit.

She wasn't even willing to acknowledge that it even might! be an issue on
their end.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.


Hi Chris,
There are a number of variables to consider regarding this theory:
* Although Intel and AMD uses different microarchitecture (with same x86
ISA), even different microarchitecture and product families may create
this
issue. For example, APU's (Accelerated Processing Unit) are designed as a
CPU-GPU hybrid, thus programs may or may not respond as quickly as before
(or after).
* If it is unique to JFW15 (not to an earlier version) and for 64-bit
Windows 8.1, chances are that something weird is going on in the startup
code after you log into Windows (this tells me that FS might be using a
newer update of VS2010/2012 to compile JFW).
* It might not be hardware at all - perhaps a group policy setting might
have changed things, startup scans and so on. If System Restore didn't
help,
then we need to do something more advanced.
* To be sure on this theory (rather, a hypothesis, in my opinion), we need
people willing to test your scenario on different AMD CPU families such as
FX (Bulldozer/Piledriver), APU's and so on, as well as people using Intel
Core/Pentium/Celeron series (up to second batch of 4th generation Core
processors). If people running AMD CPU's can reproduce this issue, then it
is unique to the way AMD handles some stuff, otherwise it's a software
problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:11 AM
To: JAWS list
Subject: I have a theory about my jaws startup issue.
Importance: High

OK, let me recap a bit here for everyone's reference.

I wrote the list about half a week ago somewhere around the 4th of the
month. I was having an issue whereby using Windows 8.1 Home Premium and
all
the updates along with JAWS 15 Pro were producing a very weird issue.
Even
though under the JAWS window>Options>Basics, I had it set to automaticly
run
at the logon screen, as well as to run after logon for all users, and I
had
the combo box set to always, I still found that JAWS refused to load after
logon. It worked fine as far as launching at the logon screen itself, but
once logged on, it wouldn't autostart.

Most of you all said you were not having this issue with Windows 8.1, and
had suggested I repair JFW. I did this to absolutely no avale. One
member
wrote in suggesting it was something to do with the latest Internet
Explorer
update, as once they installed that update, they began having the same
issue. I must say I found that incredibly hard to relate the two things
to
one another. How could IE have anything to do with jfw not starting up.
I
honestly still to this minute hold my opinion that for that person, it was
totally bad timing/coencidental. All of this however said, I don't rule
it
out, but I do find it unlikely. I do! however, have a theory. I confess
that I've not gotten the chance to call FS quite yet about this. I plan
to
do so this morning first thing when they open up. Basically though,
here's
my theory. Again, this may seem kind of like the I E guess. It may sound
100% unrelated. Chances are, it probably isn't related in any respect, I
agree, but, I'm very much unwilling at this point to look over it, and
rule
it out as not being possible. I am *not!* running an Intel Pentium
processor. I've got the laptop version of an AMD Athlon. Stupid as it
may
sound, I have heard of weird things happenning with certain programs if
you
install them on the wrong type of processor, or on one that isn't fully
supported. Though I totally! understand that JFW fully supports all the
major processors from Intel, AMD, to even Celeron, I'm curious if this
might
be a bug within the AMD architecture and how it plays back into JFW in a
whole. If anyone's got Windows 8.1, and JAWS 15 with access to an Athlon
system, laptop or not, I'd be extremely curious to know if you have this
issue... specifically with jfw 15 in combination with Windows 8.1 64 bit.

Either way, I'll be calling FS here in just a bit, but I figured I'd throw
this out there as one final attempt for you guys to help me.

Thanks.

Chris.
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Re: color picking, making changes in Word 2013 & Windoes 8

doug slotten via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

The screen will show whatever Word has been set to reflect the deletion and
insertions, e.g., strike through, double strikethrough, underscoring. What
Jaws reads is dependent on the setting in the JAWS voice settings. I cannot
help much there.
Doug


Re: Procedure for Repairing JFW

Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS) via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

I recently did a repair on JAWS, and it had bugs that could only be fixed by a complete uninstall and reinstall of JAWS. If you are having JAWS problems, I recommend the above. I also recommend choosing the option of deleting the user settings and also deleting the JFW common files. I believe you will like the results.
Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Procedure for Repairing JFW

It should be a nondestructive procedure, but, to some extent, that depends on you. Find the executable file for the JAWS version in question, and start setup. It will ask you what you want to do, and repair is one of the options. It will also ask you if you want to keep any custom settings you have made, and that's why I said whether or not the procedure is destructive depends on you.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dani L Pagador via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 12:53 PM
To: Jfw@...
Subject: Procedure for Repairing JFW

Hi, Everyone.

What do I need to do to repair JFW13? Before I run the repair, do I need to back up anything?



Thanks,

Dani

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