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Re: [Bulk] [hot key detective was Bulk] Transferring Alt Control Jshortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
Alex, Finding things on Google is second nature. Chris is just showing people how to fish, instead of giving them fish. Okay Bill and DJ -- jump all over me. Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll try to remedy that situation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@gmail.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 16:45 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [hot key detective was Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control Jshortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12 Exactly, why would you ask on a list if it was that easy to find it with google? Cheers Alex -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of kimsan Sent: 23 August 2011 00:39 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: [hot key detective was Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12 I love how people recommend a google search but there is no harm in asking for a quick favor for those who do not have time for a google search... In this instance, I didn't... Thanks Dave for the hook up... kimsansong@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris Smart Sent: 22 August, 2011 3:05 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: RE: [hot key detective was Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12 Have you tried typing "hotkey detective" into Google? At 05:42 PM 8/22/2011, you wrote: I keep hearing this hot key detective in the mits of this wonderful
discussion. Where do I get it?
Is it duable on windows 7?
kimsansong@aol.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: 22 August, 2011 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12
Gerald:
When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed
JAWS 9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not,
assign
CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.
Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the
installation programs for any of those versions did not, again I
repeat, did not, assign any shortcut key.
Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS
Tech Support to clarify this point.
The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a
shortcut key automatically during the installation process or not, said
that the JAWS
installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly
installed
version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an
assigned shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12
Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version
installed on your
computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J when it
was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot key, it
will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined hot key
Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically assigned by
an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can
use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is
application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version
of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I
originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10. In
order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version of
JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10
and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a
user-assigned hot key.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12
Karen:
Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and
then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the
shortcut key
combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would
launch. In that
instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.
Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions
of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that
is, launch
JAWS 10 over JAWS11.
I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for
JAWS 10 and
JAWS 11.
I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the
same with
JAWS 10.
I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to
see which
version of JAWS would be loaded.
Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and
launched
JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.
It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more
than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you
assigned
the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which
has the
latest updated date and time stamps.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11toJaws12
dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again
using a
different version of jaws. would it not react to the last
request. this
would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a
thought.
please advise, karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11toJaws 12
Dave and everyone:
From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not
automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.
I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not
complain that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded
JAWS 10 and
press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS
would be
loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.
It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a
short cut
key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if
you tried to
assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to
a program
to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the
case and
give you another opportunity to choose another short cut
combination
for the other program.
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11 toJaws 12
Mike,
Not quite.
Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that
JAWS will
start up
on boot of the computer.
When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a
shortcut will be
added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and
it may or
may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.
If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11,
12) you
could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the
first one
with the
hotkey.
Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for
the old
version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close
enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay
Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws 11
to Jaws
12
Hi Tom,
There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J,
keystroke. That
is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What
you need to
do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check
the box to
have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any
version of
Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut
keystroke.
Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11
to Jaws 12
Hi, again.
I just thought of one more question here.
What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J
shortcut to Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?
I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in
earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.
All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring
the
shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.
I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function
would have
taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.
Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.
Tom in Michigan
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Re: [hot key detective was Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
The funny part is that typing a request is probably longer than typing "hotkey detective" into google, hitting H a couple times to get to the search results, etc.
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Optimizing Display/Graphics Settings For Windows 7
Hello, everybody.
Not long after upgrading my laptop to Windows 7, I started
experiencing accessibility problems when I attempted to install and
use the latest version (8.3) of the Applian Replay A/V multimedia
stream capture product. As a result, I've begun to wonder what the
optimal display settings are for Windows 7 if one is running JAWS 11
or above. I've noticed that the various display options I can set as
a user are much more refined in Windows 7, with not all of them being
grouped in the same menu or part of the Control Panel as what I
remember from Windows XP. For example, there is even a setting for
whether I want the screen to be viewed in Landscape mode or Portrait
mode--(mine was set to Landscape by default, surprisingly enough). So
my main question is whether FS has published a comprehensive training
guide to optimization of visual settings specifically for the Windows
7 OS.
For anyone with particular knowledge about the Applian Capture Suite:
My disappointment started when I discovered that much of Replay A/V
now
appears to be inaccessible to me--as in when I attempt to find and
select a specific Internet radio station or to order up a customized
recording for a later time. The only way I've found to use this
program even partially is through utilizing the JAWS Cursor; but even
with this method I can't effectively search for a radio or TV station,
nor can I set the start and stop time for an intended recording. In
the past I've never had to use any kind of JAWS scripts for this
program, nor have I seen that any were ever written. I never had to
use the JAWS Cursor--just the application cursor in conjunction with
Tab and Arrow keys. The Media Guide used to look exactly like a Web
browser screen, and I read it easily in XP using the Virtual PC Cursor
just as I would read a Webpage using Internet Explorer 8.
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
Kind regards,
-Kane
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Re: Jaws installation question for Windows 7 laptop
Thanks, Steve.
This is re-assuring, and confirms what others have said.
Tom in Michigan
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <k8sp@sbcglobal.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Jaws installation question for Windows 7 laptop Only if you are installing from a downloaded copy. The Jaws DVD will detect the proper system.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:19 AM
Subject: Jaws installation question for Windows 7 laptop
Hi, folks.
I have read some discussion about the need to determine whether a windows 7 machine is either 32-bit or 64-bit prior to actually installing Jaws.
I have been told that you must select either the 32-bit or 64-bit Jaws package before conducting the installation process.
Is this true?
If so, how do you make that selection from the Jaws 12 installation CD?
Tom in Michigan
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Re: Jaws installation question for Windows 7 laptop
Only if you are installing from a downloaded copy. The Jaws DVD will detect the proper system.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com> To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:19 AM Subject: Jaws installation question for Windows 7 laptop Hi, folks.
I have read some discussion about the need to determine whether a windows 7 machine is either 32-bit or 64-bit prior to actually installing Jaws.
I have been told that you must select either the 32-bit or 64-bit Jaws package before conducting the installation process.
Is this true?
If so, how do you make that selection from the Jaws 12 installation CD?
Tom in Michigan
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Thunderbird + JAWS 12 help needed
Hello
This is my first post to this list, so please bear with me as I'm not sure if this is a Jaws problem or a Thunderbird issue.
I am a sighted user trying to learn Jaws in order to help my blind husband. We have just migrated him to using Windows 7, Jaws 12 and Thunderbird. He's only been using Jaws for a few months, so it is a steep learning curve for both of us.
We are getting confused regarding the different cursors and how they work. Using Virtual PC cursor, emails are opened and read fine with a brief heading and then into the main body of the email, but the navigation short cut keys - P, N, B and F don't work. Using PC cursor, the navigation keys work fine, but Jaws announces the title of each individual email along the lines of "mailbox: ///name/users/name/AppData/Roaming/Thunderbird/profiles/ etc etc. " before getting to the message. This gets a bit tiresome when there's a full inbox to go through.
Could someone please give me some pointers as to what settings I should be using so that the title bar is not read each time and the PC cursor can be used for navigation? At the moment we are using the Virtual PC cursor, which means having to open and close each individual email when moving through a list.
I'd be grateful for any help, including advice if this has been posted to the wrong list.
Thanks
Deddajay
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Re: [hot key detective was Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
Alex Stone <alex.stone@...>
Exactly, why would you ask on a list if it was that easy to find it with
google?
Cheers
Alex
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-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of kimsan Sent: 23 August 2011 00:39 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: [hot key detective was Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12 I love how people recommend a google search but there is no harm in asking for a quick favor for those who do not have time for a google search... In this instance, I didn't... Thanks Dave for the hook up... kimsansong@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris Smart Sent: 22 August, 2011 3:05 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: RE: [hot key detective was Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12 Have you tried typing "hotkey detective" into Google? At 05:42 PM 8/22/2011, you wrote: I keep hearing this hot key detective in the mits of this wonderful
discussion. Where do I get it?
Is it duable on windows 7?
kimsansong@aol.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: 22 August, 2011 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12
Gerald:
When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed
JAWS 9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not,
assign
CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.
Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the
installation programs for any of those versions did not, again I
repeat, did not, assign any shortcut key.
Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS
Tech Support to clarify this point.
The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a
shortcut key automatically during the installation process or not, said
that the JAWS
installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly
installed
version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an
assigned shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12
Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version
installed on your
computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J when it
was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot key, it
will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined hot key
Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically assigned by
an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can
use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is
application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version
of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I
originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10. In
order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version of
JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10
and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a
user-assigned hot key.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12
Karen:
Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and
then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the
shortcut key
combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would
launch. In that
instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.
Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions
of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that
is, launch
JAWS 10 over JAWS11.
I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for
JAWS 10 and
JAWS 11.
I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the
same with
JAWS 10.
I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to
see which
version of JAWS would be loaded.
Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and
launched
JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.
It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more
than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you
assigned
the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which
has the
latest updated date and time stamps.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11toJaws12
dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again
using a
different version of jaws. would it not react to the last
request. this
would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a
thought.
please advise, karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11toJaws 12
Dave and everyone:
From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not
automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.
I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not
complain that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded
JAWS 10 and
press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS
would be
loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.
It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a
short cut
key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if
you tried to
assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to
a program
to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the
case and
give you another opportunity to choose another short cut
combination
for the other program.
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11 toJaws 12
Mike,
Not quite.
Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that
JAWS will
start up
on boot of the computer.
When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a
shortcut will be
added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and
it may or
may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.
If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11,
12) you
could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the
first one
with the
hotkey.
Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for
the old
version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close
enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay
Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws 11
to Jaws
12
Hi Tom,
There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J,
keystroke. That
is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What
you need to
do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check
the box to
have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any
version of
Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut
keystroke.
Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11
to Jaws 12
Hi, again.
I just thought of one more question here.
What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J
shortcut to Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?
I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in
earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.
All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring
the
shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.
I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function
would have
taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.
Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.
Tom in Michigan
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Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi
Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
Mike, you just copy the info right out of one of his emails. I had no trouble doing this in Eudora. Copy and paste into the form at Google.
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Re: [hot key detective was Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
I love how people recommend a google search but there is no harm in asking
for a quick favor for those who do not have time for a google search... In
this instance, I didn't... Thanks Dave for the hook up...
kimsansong@aol.com
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-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris Smart Sent: 22 August, 2011 3:05 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: RE: [hot key detective was Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12 Have you tried typing "hotkey detective" into Google? At 05:42 PM 8/22/2011, you wrote: I keep hearing this hot key detective in the mits of this wonderful
discussion. Where do I get it?
Is it duable on windows 7?
kimsansong@aol.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: 22 August, 2011 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12
Gerald:
When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed
JAWS 9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not,
assign
CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.
Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the
installation programs for any of those versions did not, again I
repeat, did not, assign any shortcut key.
Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS
Tech Support to clarify this point.
The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a
shortcut key automatically during the installation process or not, said
that the JAWS
installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly
installed
version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an
assigned shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12
Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version
installed on your
computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J when it
was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot key, it
will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined hot key
Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically assigned by
an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can
use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is
application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version
of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I
originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10. In
order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version of
JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10
and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a
user-assigned hot key.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12
Karen:
Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and
then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the
shortcut key
combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would
launch. In that
instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.
Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions
of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that
is, launch
JAWS 10 over JAWS11.
I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for
JAWS 10 and
JAWS 11.
I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the
same with
JAWS 10.
I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to
see which
version of JAWS would be loaded.
Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and
launched
JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.
It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more
than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you
assigned
the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which
has the
latest updated date and time stamps.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11toJaws12
dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again
using a
different version of jaws. would it not react to the last
request. this
would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a
thought.
please advise, karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11toJaws 12
Dave and everyone:
From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not
automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.
I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not
complain that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded
JAWS 10 and
press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS
would be
loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.
It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a
short cut
key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if
you tried to
assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to
a program
to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the
case and
give you another opportunity to choose another short cut
combination
for the other program.
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11 toJaws 12
Mike,
Not quite.
Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that
JAWS will
start up
on boot of the computer.
When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a
shortcut will be
added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and
it may or
may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.
If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11,
12) you
could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the
first one
with the
hotkey.
Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for
the old
version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close
enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay
Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws 11
to Jaws
12
Hi Tom,
There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J,
keystroke. That
is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What
you need to
do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check
the box to
have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any
version of
Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut
keystroke.
Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11
to Jaws 12
Hi, again.
I just thought of one more question here.
What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J
shortcut to Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?
I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in
earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.
All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring
the
shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.
I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function
would have
taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.
Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.
Tom in Michigan
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Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines
Karen Hughes <khughes8@...>
cy, when my computer upgraded to jaws twelve i had major issues so whent back to jaws eleven and all is fine now. it threw off my other programs so i decided to stay away from twelve. karen
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@comcast.net> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:04 PM Subject: RE: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines Hi Karen,
The old saying is that "if it ain't broke then don't fix it?. This sure
applies when it comes to FS.
If your current release of JAWS works for you then wait until bugs are known
in the newest release.
I concur with some of the comments about JAWS 13, new features would be nice
but I sure wish they would fix some of the known bugs in 12 such as Excel
and Access.
Also, another old saying is the "KISS" principle (Keep it simple stupid)
which FS might want to consider as a development stratigy.
Kinda like Open Book, much too many "gizmos" to accomplish what used to be a
simple task which was scan the document and translate it into a text or Word
file so one could read and edit it.
Oh well, JMO, Cy
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines
cy i agree with you. if twelve is such a problem stay away from it and dont
load future programs unless you are sure they will not mess up what is on
your computer at pressent. karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines
Hi,
I have JAWS 11, latest build, on both my W7 and XP laptops. 11 works fine
on
both operating systems and, yes, I am entitled to use 12 but, no thanks as
yet.
I can't wait to see what 13 will do. If it is no better than 12 then I
honestly think I am done with FS.
Cy
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines
Thanks for the thought, Dave.
Tom in Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines
Yes, stick to JAWS 11 on your XP machine. Don't fix what isn't broken.
Wait
and see what JAWS 13 does.
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:27
Subject: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines
Hello, everyone.
In a recent post, I believe Adrian said the following:
"Many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. ... I still
use
XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12."
The timing for this comment couldn't have been better in my case.
Although this is likely to change soon as my University switches us all
completely over to Windows 7, my desktop at work is still an XP machine,
and
still has Jaws 11. The back-up PC I have at home is an XP machine, and
that
too has Jaws 11.
So, is the collective wisdom of the group to keep things as they are now
on
the XP machines, rather than installing Jaws 12 which seems to be geared
more to Windows 7?
If this is true, you guys have just saved me some head-aches with my
remaining XP computers, and I thank you sincerely for that.
I'll save my headaches for installing Jaws 12 on the new Windows 7 laptop
the University will give me this week. (smile)
Tom in Michigan
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Re: [Bulk] [hot key detective was Bulk] Transferring Alt Control Jshortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
David:
Thanks.
kimsansong@aol.com
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-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop Sent: 22 August, 2011 3:20 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [hot key detective was Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control Jshortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12 Kimsan, http://www.jfwlite.com/Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll try to remedy that situation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 14:42 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [hot key detective was Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control Jshortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12 I keep hearing this hot key detective in the mits of this wonderful discussion. Where do I get it? Is it duable on windows 7? kimsansong@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Durber Sent: 22 August, 2011 12:30 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12 Gerald: When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed JAWS 9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not, assign CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9. Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the installation programs for any of those versions did not, again I repeat, did not, assign any shortcut key. Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS Tech Support to clarify this point. The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a shortcut key automatically during the installation process or not, said that the JAWS installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly installed version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an assigned shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function. HTH Sincerely: Dave Durber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version installed on your
computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J when it
was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot key, it
will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined hot key
Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically assigned by
an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is
application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version
of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I
originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10. In
order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version of
JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10
and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a
user-assigned hot key.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12
Karen:
Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and
then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the shortcut key
combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would launch. In that
instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.
Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that is, launch
JAWS 10 over JAWS11.
I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for JAWS 10 and
JAWS 11.
I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the same with
JAWS 10.
I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which
version of JAWS would be loaded.
Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and launched
JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.
It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you assigned
the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which has the
latest updated date and time stamps.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12
dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again using a
different version of jaws. would it not react to the last request. this
would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a thought.
please advise, karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws 12
Dave and everyone:
From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.
I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10 and press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be
loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.
It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut
key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried to
assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to a program
to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the case and
give you another opportunity to choose another short cut combination
for the other program.
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11 toJaws 12
Mike,
Not quite.
Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will
start up
on boot of the computer.
When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be
added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or
may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.
If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you
could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one
with the
hotkey.
Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old
version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11
to Jaws
12
Hi Tom,
There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That
is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need to
do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box to
have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of
Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut keystroke.
Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws 12
Hi, again.
I just thought of one more question here.
What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?
I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.
All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the
shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.
I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have
taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.
Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.
Tom in Michigan
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Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi
Mike & Barbara In Arcadia <mb69mach1@...>
Hi Chris,
I am trying to report this Almahdhy A'hole to Gmail, but how do get the
information they require? The help link that is provided for finding the
required headers gives that dreaded " 404 message." Do you use the Internet
Headers from the details page in message properties or the message source
headers? All help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks much, take care.
Mike
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Re: [Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws12
Alex Stone <alex.stone@...>
Dave, as I also said previously, I've been using jaws since version 3.20,
and it never has. If that's a problem then get used to it!
Cheers
Alex
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-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Durber Sent: 22 August 2011 23:46 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12 Gerald: What else can I say, except to repeat what I wrote in my previous posting, according to FS Tech Support, JAWS does not assign a shortcut key during the installation of any version of JAWS. If you have a problem with that statement, then you should take it up with the FS Technical Support Department. Now, as far as I am concerned, this thread has reached the end of the road. I have nothing else to say or add on this thread. This is my last posting on this thread. Sincerely: Dave Durber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
Then how do you explain the fact that my version of JAWS 9 had the hot key
of Alt-Control-J when it was originally installed? I did not assign this
hot key myself, and Hot Key Detective confirmed that it was not
user-assigned. Hot Key Detective designates user-defined hot keys as
"personal" and system or program-assigned hot keys as "common".
Alt-Control-J was designated as "common", which means that it was not
user-assigned. So where did it come from? And how do you explain the
fact that When Open Book 7 was installed, it was assigned the hot key
Alt-Control-O? Again, I didn't assign it myself.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12
Gerald:
When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed
JAWS 9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not, assign
CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.
Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the installation
programs for any of those versions did not, again I repeat, did not,
assign any shortcut key.
Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS
Tech Support to clarify this point.
The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a
shortcut key automatically during the installation process or not, said
that the JAWS installation program does not assign any shortcut key to
the newly installed version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an assigned shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12
Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version installed on
your computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J
when it was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot
key, it will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined
hot key Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically
assigned by an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the
user. You can use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular
hot key is application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the
demo version of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created
automatically when I originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically
reassigned to JAWS 10. In order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS
9, my default version of JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete
Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10 and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9
to re-create it as a user-assigned hot key.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12
Karen:
Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and
then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the shortcut key
combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would launch. In that
instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.
Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that is, launch
JAWS 10 over JAWS11.
I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for JAWS 10 and
JAWS 11.
I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the same with
JAWS 10.
I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which
version of JAWS would be loaded.
Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and launched
JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.
It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you assigned
the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which has the
latest updated date and time stamps.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12
dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again using a
different version of jaws. would it not react to the last request.
this would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a
thought. please advise, karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws 12
Dave and everyone:
From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.
I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10
and press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be
loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.
It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut
key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried
to assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to a
program to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the
case and give you another opportunity to choose another short cut
combination for the other program.
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11 toJaws 12
Mike,
Not quite.
Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will
start up
on boot of the computer.
When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be
added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or
may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.
If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you
could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one
with the
hotkey.
Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old
version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
But I'll
try to remedy that situation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11
to Jaws
12
Hi Tom,
There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That
is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need
to do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box
to have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of
Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut
keystroke. Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws
12
Hi, again.
I just thought of one more question here.
What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?
I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.
All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the
shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.
I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have
taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.
Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.
Tom in Michigan
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Re: [Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
Gerald:
What else can I say, except to repeat what I wrote in my previous posting, according to FS Tech Support, JAWS does not assign a shortcut key during the installation of any version of JAWS. If you have a problem with that statement, then you should take it up with the FS Technical Support Department.
Now, as far as I am concerned, this thread has reached the end of the road. I have nothing else to say or add on this thread. This is my last posting on this thread.
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
Then how do you explain the fact that my version of JAWS 9 had the hot key of Alt-Control-J when it was originally installed? I did not assign this hot key myself, and Hot Key Detective confirmed that it was not user-assigned. Hot Key Detective designates user-defined hot keys as "personal" and system or program-assigned hot keys as "common". Alt-Control-J was designated as "common", which means that it was not user-assigned. So where did it come from? And how do you explain the fact that When Open Book 7 was installed, it was assigned the hot key Alt-Control-O? Again, I didn't assign it myself.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
Gerald:
When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed JAWS 9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not, assign CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.
Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the installation programs for any of those versions did not, again I repeat, did not, assign any shortcut key.
Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS Tech Support to clarify this point.
The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a shortcut key automatically during the installation process or not, said that the JAWS installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly installed version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an assigned shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version installed on your computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J when it was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot key, it will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined hot key Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically assigned by an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10. In order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version of JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10 and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a user-assigned hot key.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws12
Karen:
Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the shortcut key combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would launch. In that instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.
Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions of my experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that is, launch JAWS 10 over JAWS11.
I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for JAWS 10 and JAWS 11.
I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the same with JAWS 10.
I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be loaded.
Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and launched JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.
It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more than one application, Windows will launch the last program to which you assigned the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which has the latest updated date and time stamps.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws12
dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again using a different version of jaws. would it not react to the last request. this would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a thought. please advise, karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws 12
Dave and everyone:
From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.
I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10 and press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.
It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried to assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to a program to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the case and give you another opportunity to choose another short cut combination for the other program.
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 toJaws 12
Mike,
Not quite.
Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will start up
on boot of the computer.
When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.
If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one with the
hotkey.
Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws
12
Hi Tom,
There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need to do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box to have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut keystroke. Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws 12
Hi, again.
I just thought of one more question here.
What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws 12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?
I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.
All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.
I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.
Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.
Tom in Michigan
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Re: [Bulk] [hot key detective was Bulk] Transferring Alt Control Jshortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
Kimsan, http://www.jfwlite.com/Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll try to remedy that situation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 14:42 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [hot key detective was Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control Jshortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12 I keep hearing this hot key detective in the mits of this wonderful discussion. Where do I get it? Is it duable on windows 7? kimsansong@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Durber Sent: 22 August, 2011 12:30 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12 Gerald: When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed JAWS 9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not, assign CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9. Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the installation programs for any of those versions did not, again I repeat, did not, assign any shortcut key. Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS Tech Support to clarify this point. The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a shortcut key automatically during the installation process or not, said that the JAWS installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly installed version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an assigned shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function. HTH Sincerely: Dave Durber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version installed on your
computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J when it
was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot key, it
will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined hot key
Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically assigned by
an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is
application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version
of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I
originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10. In
order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version of
JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10
and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a
user-assigned hot key.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12
Karen:
Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and
then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the shortcut key
combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would launch. In that
instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.
Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that is, launch
JAWS 10 over JAWS11.
I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for JAWS 10 and
JAWS 11.
I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the same with
JAWS 10.
I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which
version of JAWS would be loaded.
Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and launched
JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.
It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you assigned
the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which has the
latest updated date and time stamps.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12
dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again using a
different version of jaws. would it not react to the last request. this
would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a thought.
please advise, karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws 12
Dave and everyone:
From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.
I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10 and press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be
loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.
It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut
key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried to
assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to a program
to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the case and
give you another opportunity to choose another short cut combination
for the other program.
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11 toJaws 12
Mike,
Not quite.
Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will
start up
on boot of the computer.
When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be
added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or
may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.
If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you
could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one
with the
hotkey.
Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old
version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11
to Jaws
12
Hi Tom,
There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That
is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need to
do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box to
have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of
Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut keystroke.
Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws 12
Hi, again.
I just thought of one more question here.
What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?
I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.
All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the
shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.
I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have
taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.
Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.
Tom in Michigan
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Re: [Bulk] [hot key detective was Bulk] Transferring Alt Control Jshortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
Kimsan, go to the jfwlite web site and look under programs. Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll try to remedy that situation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 14:42 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [hot key detective was Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control Jshortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12 I keep hearing this hot key detective in the mits of this wonderful discussion. Where do I get it? Is it duable on windows 7? kimsansong@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Durber Sent: 22 August, 2011 12:30 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12 Gerald: When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed JAWS 9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not, assign CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9. Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the installation programs for any of those versions did not, again I repeat, did not, assign any shortcut key. Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS Tech Support to clarify this point. The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a shortcut key automatically during the installation process or not, said that the JAWS installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly installed version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an assigned shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function. HTH Sincerely: Dave Durber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version installed on your
computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J when it
was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot key, it
will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined hot key
Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically assigned by
an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is
application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version
of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I
originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10. In
order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version of
JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10
and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a
user-assigned hot key.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12
Karen:
Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and
then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the shortcut key
combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would launch. In that
instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.
Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that is, launch
JAWS 10 over JAWS11.
I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for JAWS 10 and
JAWS 11.
I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the same with
JAWS 10.
I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which
version of JAWS would be loaded.
Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and launched
JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.
It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you assigned
the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which has the
latest updated date and time stamps.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12
dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again using a
different version of jaws. would it not react to the last request. this
would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a thought.
please advise, karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws 12
Dave and everyone:
From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.
I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10 and press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be
loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.
It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut
key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried to
assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to a program
to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the case and
give you another opportunity to choose another short cut combination
for the other program.
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11 toJaws 12
Mike,
Not quite.
Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will
start up
on boot of the computer.
When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be
added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or
may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.
If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you
could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one
with the
hotkey.
Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old
version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11
to Jaws
12
Hi Tom,
There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That
is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need to
do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box to
have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of
Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut keystroke.
Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws 12
Hi, again.
I just thought of one more question here.
What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?
I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.
All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the
shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.
I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have
taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.
Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.
Tom in Michigan
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Re: [hot key detective was Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
Have you tried typing "hotkey detective" into Google?
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
At 05:42 PM 8/22/2011, you wrote: I keep hearing this hot key detective in the mits of this wonderful
discussion. Where do I get it?
Is it duable on windows 7?
kimsansong@aol.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: 22 August, 2011 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12
Gerald:
When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed JAWS
9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not, assign
CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.
Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the installation
programs for any of those versions did not, again I repeat, did not, assign
any shortcut key.
Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS Tech
Support to clarify this point.
The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a shortcut
key automatically during the installation process or not, said that the JAWS
installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly installed
version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an assigned
shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12
Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version
installed on your
computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J when it
was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot key, it
will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined hot key
Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically assigned by
an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can
use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is
application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version
of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I
originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10. In
order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version of
JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10
and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a
user-assigned hot key.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12
Karen:
Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and
then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the
shortcut key
combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would
launch. In that
instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.
Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions
of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that
is, launch
JAWS 10 over JAWS11.
I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for
JAWS 10 and
JAWS 11.
I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the
same with
JAWS 10.
I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to
see which
version of JAWS would be loaded.
Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and
launched
JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.
It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more
than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you
assigned
the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which
has the
latest updated date and time stamps.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11toJaws12
dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again
using a
different version of jaws. would it not react to the last
request. this
would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a
thought.
please advise, karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11toJaws 12
Dave and everyone:
From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not
automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.
I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not
complain that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded
JAWS 10 and
press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS
would be
loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.
It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a
short cut
key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if
you tried to
assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to
a program
to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the
case and
give you another opportunity to choose another short cut
combination
for the other program.
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11 toJaws 12
Mike,
Not quite.
Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that
JAWS will
start up
on boot of the computer.
When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a
shortcut will be
added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and
it may or
may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.
If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11,
12) you
could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the
first one
with the
hotkey.
Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for
the old
version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close
enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay
Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws 11
to Jaws
12
Hi Tom,
There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J,
keystroke. That
is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What
you need to
do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check
the box to
have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any
version of
Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut
keystroke.
Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11
to Jaws 12
Hi, again.
I just thought of one more question here.
What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J
shortcut to Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?
I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in
earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.
All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring
the
shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.
I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function
would have
taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.
Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.
Tom in Michigan
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Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines
Hi Karen,
The old saying is that "if it ain't broke then don't fix it?. This sure
applies when it comes to FS.
If your current release of JAWS works for you then wait until bugs are known
in the newest release.
I concur with some of the comments about JAWS 13, new features would be nice
but I sure wish they would fix some of the known bugs in 12 such as Excel
and Access.
Also, another old saying is the "KISS" principle (Keep it simple stupid)
which FS might want to consider as a development stratigy.
Kinda like Open Book, much too many "gizmos" to accomplish what used to be a
simple task which was scan the document and translate it into a text or Word
file so one could read and edit it.
Oh well, JMO, Cy
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-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Karen Hughes Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines cy i agree with you. if twelve is such a problem stay away from it and dont load future programs unless you are sure they will not mess up what is on your computer at pressent. karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@comcast.net> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:34 PM Subject: RE: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines Hi,
I have JAWS 11, latest build, on both my W7 and XP laptops. 11 works fine
on
both operating systems and, yes, I am entitled to use 12 but, no thanks as
yet.
I can't wait to see what 13 will do. If it is no better than 12 then I
honestly think I am done with FS.
Cy
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines
Thanks for the thought, Dave.
Tom in Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines
Yes, stick to JAWS 11 on your XP machine. Don't fix what isn't broken.
Wait
and see what JAWS 13 does.
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:27
Subject: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines
Hello, everyone.
In a recent post, I believe Adrian said the following:
"Many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. ... I still
use
XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12."
The timing for this comment couldn't have been better in my case.
Although this is likely to change soon as my University switches us all
completely over to Windows 7, my desktop at work is still an XP machine,
and
still has Jaws 11. The back-up PC I have at home is an XP machine, and
that
too has Jaws 11.
So, is the collective wisdom of the group to keep things as they are now
on
the XP machines, rather than installing Jaws 12 which seems to be geared
more to Windows 7?
If this is true, you guys have just saved me some head-aches with my
remaining XP computers, and I thank you sincerely for that.
I'll save my headaches for installing Jaws 12 on the new Windows 7 laptop
the University will give me this week. (smile)
Tom in Michigan
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Re: [hot key detective was Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
I keep hearing this hot key detective in the mits of this wonderful
discussion. Where do I get it?
Is it duable on windows 7?
kimsansong@aol.com
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-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Durber Sent: 22 August, 2011 12:30 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12 Gerald: When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed JAWS 9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not, assign CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9. Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the installation programs for any of those versions did not, again I repeat, did not, assign any shortcut key. Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS Tech Support to clarify this point. The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a shortcut key automatically during the installation process or not, said that the JAWS installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly installed version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an assigned shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function. HTH Sincerely: Dave Durber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12
Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version installed on your
computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J when it
was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot key, it
will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined hot key
Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically assigned by
an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is
application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version
of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I
originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10. In
order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version of
JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10
and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a
user-assigned hot key.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12
Karen:
Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and
then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the shortcut key
combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would launch. In that
instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.
Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that is, launch
JAWS 10 over JAWS11.
I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for JAWS 10 and
JAWS 11.
I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the same with
JAWS 10.
I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which
version of JAWS would be loaded.
Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and launched
JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.
It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you assigned
the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which has the
latest updated date and time stamps.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12
dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again using a
different version of jaws. would it not react to the last request. this
would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a thought.
please advise, karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws 12
Dave and everyone:
From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.
I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10 and press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be
loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.
It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut
key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried to
assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to a program
to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the case and
give you another opportunity to choose another short cut combination
for the other program.
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11 toJaws 12
Mike,
Not quite.
Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will
start up
on boot of the computer.
When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be
added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or
may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.
If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you
could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one
with the
hotkey.
Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old
version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11
to Jaws
12
Hi Tom,
There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That
is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need to
do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box to
have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of
Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut keystroke.
Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws 12
Hi, again.
I just thought of one more question here.
What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?
I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.
All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the
shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.
I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have
taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.
Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.
Tom in Michigan
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Re: [Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws11toJaws12
Gerald,
We shouldn't be framing this question as an argument. You're very accurate
in your posts, as are those who describe the opposite experience. To me, it
makes sense for FS to create the hotkey automatically because, as this
thread shows, doing it on our own can be vexing. So I wonder how it is that
your versions of JAWS save you the trouble while mine, for one, puts the
burden on me.
The drawback of having the manufacturer create the hotkey is the possibility
of conflict with an existing one. For example, your OpenBook hotkey would
conflict with my Outlook hotkey.
I wonder if anyone can suggest why different systems get or don't get the
automatic alt-control-j hotkey.
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-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 4:45 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws11toJaws12 Then how do you explain the fact that my version of JAWS 9 had the hot key of Alt-Control-J when it was originally installed? I did not assign this hot key myself, and Hot Key Detective confirmed that it was not user-assigned. Hot Key Detective designates user-defined hot keys as "personal" and system or program-assigned hot keys as "common". Alt-Control-J was designated as "common", which means that it was not user-assigned. So where did it come from? And how do you explain the fact that When Open Book 7 was installed, it was assigned the hot key Alt-Control-O? Again, I didn't assign it myself. Gerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12 Gerald:
When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and
installed JAWS 9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did
not, assign
CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.
Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the
installation programs for any of those versions did not, again I
repeat, did not, assign any shortcut key.
Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS
Tech Support to clarify this point.
The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a
shortcut key automatically during the installation process or not,
said that the JAWS installation program does not assign any shortcut
key to the newly installed version of JAWS. They went on to say that
JAWS might delete an assigned shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12
Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version installed on
your computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key
Alt-Control-J when it was originally installed. Unless you delete
this "hidden" hot key, it will always launch JAWS 11, even if you
create the user-defined hot key Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a
rule, hot keys automatically assigned by an application take
precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can use Hot Key
Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is application
assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version of JAWS
10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I
originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10.
In order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version
of JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from
JAWS 10 and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a
user-assigned hot key.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12
Karen:
Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first
and then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the shortcut
key combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would launch.
In that instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.
Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that is,
launch JAWS 10 over JAWS11.
I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for JAWS 10
and JAWS 11.
I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the same
with JAWS 10.
I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see
which version of JAWS would be loaded.
Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and
launched JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.
It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you
assigned the shortcut key combination, that is, the application
which has the latest updated date and time stamps.
HTH
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from
Jaws
11toJaws12
dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again using
a different version of jaws. would it not react to the last
request. this would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just
a thought. please advise, karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from
Jaws 11toJaws 12
Dave and everyone:
From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.
I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain
CTRL+ALT+that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS
10 and press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS
would be loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.
It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short
cut key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you
tried to assign a short cut combination that was already assigned
to a program to another program, Windows would tell you that this
was the case and give you another opportunity to choose another
short cut combination for the other program.
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from
Jaws
11 toJaws 12
Mike,
Not quite.
Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS
will start up on boot of the computer.
When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will
be added to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12)
and it may or may not have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.
If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12)
you could end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually
the first one with the hotkey.
Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old
version and the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey
assigned.
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for
my comfort to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San
Francisco Bay Area. But I'll try to remedy that situation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11 to Jaws
12
Hi Tom,
There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke.
That is the default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws.
What you need to do is go to the Jaws12 context menu / options /
basics and check the box to have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version
of Jaws, tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the
shortcut keystroke. Hope this helps. Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to
Jaws 12
Hi, again.
I just thought of one more question here.
What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to
Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?
I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in
earlier upgrades, and can't remember how to resolve it.
All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the
shortcut over to the new version of Jaws from the earlier
version.
I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would
have taken care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade
efforts.
Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.
Tom in Michigan
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