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Re: [hot key detective was Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12

kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

I love how people recommend a google search but there is no harm in asking
for a quick favor for those who do not have time for a google search... In
this instance, I didn't... Thanks Dave for the hook up...



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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: 22 August, 2011 3:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: [hot key detective was Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J
shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12

Have you tried typing "hotkey detective" into Google?

At 05:42 PM 8/22/2011, you wrote:
I keep hearing this hot key detective in the mits of this wonderful
discussion. Where do I get it?
Is it duable on windows 7?


kimsansong@...

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On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: 22 August, 2011 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12

Gerald:

When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed
JAWS 9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not,
assign
CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.

Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the
installation programs for any of those versions did not, again I
repeat, did not, assign any shortcut key.

Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS
Tech Support to clarify this point.

The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a
shortcut key automatically during the installation process or not, said
that the JAWS

installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly
installed

version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an
assigned shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12



Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version
installed on your

computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key
Alt-Control-J when it
was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot
key, it
will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined
hot key
Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically
assigned by
an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the
user. You can

use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is
application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the
demo version
of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically
when I
originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to
JAWS 10. In
order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default
version of
JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J
from JAWS 10
and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a
user-assigned hot key.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11toJaws12


Karen:

Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10
first and
then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the
shortcut key
combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would
launch. In that
instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.

Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions
of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that
is, launch
JAWS 10 over JAWS11.

I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for
JAWS 10 and
JAWS 11.

I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the
same with
JAWS 10.

I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to
see which
version of JAWS would be loaded.

Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and
launched
JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.

It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more
than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you
assigned
the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which
has the
latest updated date and time stamps.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11toJaws12


dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again
using a
different version of jaws. would it not react to the last
request. this
would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a
thought.
please advise, karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11toJaws 12


Dave and everyone:

From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not
automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.

I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not
complain that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded
JAWS 10 and

press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS
would be
loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.

It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a
short cut
key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if
you tried to

assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to
a program
to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the
case and
give you another opportunity to choose another short cut
combination
for the other program.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11 toJaws 12


Mike,

Not quite.

Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that
JAWS will
start up
on boot of the computer.

When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a
shortcut will be
added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and
it may or
may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.

If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11,
12) you
could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the
first one
with the
hotkey.

Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for
the old
version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close
enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay
Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws 11
to Jaws
12


Hi Tom,

There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J,
keystroke. That
is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What
you need to

do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check
the box to
have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any
version of
Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut
keystroke.

Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11
to Jaws 12


Hi, again.

I just thought of one more question here.

What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J
shortcut to Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?

I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in
earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.

All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring
the
shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.

I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function
would have
taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.

Tom in Michigan



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Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines

Karen Hughes <khughes8@...>
 

cy, when my computer upgraded to jaws twelve i had major issues so whent back to jaws eleven and all is fine now. it threw off my other programs so i decided to stay away from twelve. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:04 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines


Hi Karen,
The old saying is that "if it ain't broke then don't fix it?. This sure
applies when it comes to FS.
If your current release of JAWS works for you then wait until bugs are known
in the newest release.
I concur with some of the comments about JAWS 13, new features would be nice
but I sure wish they would fix some of the known bugs in 12 such as Excel
and Access.
Also, another old saying is the "KISS" principle (Keep it simple stupid)
which FS might want to consider as a development stratigy.
Kinda like Open Book, much too many "gizmos" to accomplish what used to be a
simple task which was scan the document and translate it into a text or Word
file so one could read and edit it.
Oh well, JMO, Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines

cy i agree with you. if twelve is such a problem stay away from it and dont
load future programs unless you are sure they will not mess up what is on
your computer at pressent. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines


Hi,
I have JAWS 11, latest build, on both my W7 and XP laptops. 11 works fine
on
both operating systems and, yes, I am entitled to use 12 but, no thanks as
yet.
I can't wait to see what 13 will do. If it is no better than 12 then I
honestly think I am done with FS.
Cy


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines

Thanks for the thought, Dave.

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines


Yes, stick to JAWS 11 on your XP machine. Don't fix what isn't broken.
Wait
and see what JAWS 13 does.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@...>
To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:27
Subject: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines


Hello, everyone.

In a recent post, I believe Adrian said the following:

"Many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. ... I still
use
XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12."

The timing for this comment couldn't have been better in my case.

Although this is likely to change soon as my University switches us all
completely over to Windows 7, my desktop at work is still an XP machine,
and
still has Jaws 11. The back-up PC I have at home is an XP machine, and
that
too has Jaws 11.

So, is the collective wisdom of the group to keep things as they are now
on
the XP machines, rather than installing Jaws 12 which seems to be geared
more to Windows 7?

If this is true, you guys have just saved me some head-aches with my
remaining XP computers, and I thank you sincerely for that.

I'll save my headaches for installing Jaws 12 on the new Windows 7 laptop
the University will give me this week. (smile)

Tom in Michigan


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Re: [Bulk] [hot key detective was Bulk] Transferring Alt Control Jshortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12

kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

David:
Thanks.


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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: 22 August, 2011 3:20 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [hot key detective was Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt
Control Jshortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12

Kimsan,

http://www.jfwlite.com/

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 14:42
Subject: [Bulk] RE: [hot key detective was Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt
Control Jshortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12


I keep hearing this hot key detective in the mits of this wonderful
discussion. Where do I get it?
Is it duable on windows 7?


kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: 22 August, 2011 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12

Gerald:

When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed JAWS
9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not, assign
CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.

Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the installation
programs for any of those versions did not, again I repeat, did not, assign
any shortcut key.

Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS Tech
Support to clarify this point.

The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a shortcut
key automatically during the installation process or not, said that the JAWS

installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly installed

version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an assigned
shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12



Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version installed on your
computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J when it
was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot key, it
will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined hot key
Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically assigned by
an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can
use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is
application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version
of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I
originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10. In
order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version of
JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10
and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a
user-assigned hot key.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12


Karen:

Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and
then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the shortcut key
combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would launch. In that
instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.

Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that is, launch
JAWS 10 over JAWS11.

I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for JAWS 10 and
JAWS 11.

I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the same with
JAWS 10.

I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which
version of JAWS would be loaded.

Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and launched
JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.

It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you assigned
the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which has the
latest updated date and time stamps.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12


dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again using a
different version of jaws. would it not react to the last request. this
would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a thought.
please advise, karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws 12


Dave and everyone:

From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.

I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10 and
press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be
loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.

It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut
key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried to
assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to a program
to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the case and
give you another opportunity to choose another short cut combination
for the other program.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11 toJaws 12


Mike,

Not quite.

Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will
start up
on boot of the computer.

When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be
added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or
may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.

If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you
could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one
with the
hotkey.

Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old
version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11
to Jaws
12


Hi Tom,

There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That
is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need to
do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box to
have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of
Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut keystroke.
Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws 12


Hi, again.

I just thought of one more question here.

What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?

I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.

All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the
shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.

I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have
taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.

Tom in Michigan



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Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

Mike & Barbara In Arcadia <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Chris,

I am trying to report this Almahdhy A'hole to Gmail, but how do get the
information they require? The help link that is provided for finding the
required headers gives that dreaded " 404 message." Do you use the Internet
Headers from the details page in message properties or the message source
headers? All help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks much, take care.
Mike

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Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:41 PM
Subject: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi


I wasn't going to post on this matter again. However, I quickly
found the place to report abuse to Gmail.l.

I believe Mostafa Al'Mahdy harvested my email address from this or
similar blindness-related listserves. Since he has chosen to
ignore my public and private requests to not be mailed any more of
his political rantings, I have reported him to Gmail. Those of you
receiving similar mail may wish to do likewise.
The form at this URL requests message headers, gmail user id of the
offending party, and the message body of one of the offending
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Re: [Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws12

Alex Stone <alex.stone@...>
 

Dave, as I also said previously, I've been using jaws since version 3.20,
and it never has. If that's a problem then get used to it!
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: 22 August 2011 23:46
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12

Gerald:

What else can I say, except to repeat what I wrote in my previous posting,
according to FS Tech Support, JAWS does not assign a shortcut key during the

installation of any version of JAWS. If you have a problem with that
statement, then you should take it up with the FS Technical Support
Department.

Now, as far as I am concerned, this thread has reached the end of the road.
I have nothing else to say or add on this thread. This is my last posting
on this thread.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12



Then how do you explain the fact that my version of JAWS 9 had the hot key
of Alt-Control-J when it was originally installed? I did not assign this
hot key myself, and Hot Key Detective confirmed that it was not
user-assigned. Hot Key Detective designates user-defined hot keys as
"personal" and system or program-assigned hot keys as "common".
Alt-Control-J was designated as "common", which means that it was not
user-assigned. So where did it come from? And how do you explain the
fact that When Open Book 7 was installed, it was assigned the hot key
Alt-Control-O? Again, I didn't assign it myself.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12


Gerald:

When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed
JAWS 9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not, assign
CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.

Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the installation
programs for any of those versions did not, again I repeat, did not,
assign any shortcut key.

Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS
Tech Support to clarify this point.

The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a
shortcut key automatically during the installation process or not, said
that the JAWS installation program does not assign any shortcut key to
the newly installed version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might
delete an assigned shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12



Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version installed on
your computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J
when it was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot
key, it will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined
hot key Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically
assigned by an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the
user. You can use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular
hot key is application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the
demo version of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created
automatically when I originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically
reassigned to JAWS 10. In order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS
9, my default version of JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete
Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10 and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9
to re-create it as a user-assigned hot key.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12


Karen:

Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and
then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the shortcut key
combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would launch. In that
instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.

Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that is, launch
JAWS 10 over JAWS11.

I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for JAWS 10 and
JAWS 11.

I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the same with
JAWS 10.

I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which
version of JAWS would be loaded.

Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and launched
JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.

It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you assigned
the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which has the
latest updated date and time stamps.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12


dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again using a
different version of jaws. would it not react to the last request.
this would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a
thought. please advise, karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws 12


Dave and everyone:

From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.

I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10
and press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be
loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.

It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut
key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried
to assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to a
program to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the
case and give you another opportunity to choose another short cut
combination for the other program.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11 toJaws 12


Mike,

Not quite.

Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will
start up
on boot of the computer.

When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be
added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or
may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.

If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you
could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one
with the
hotkey.

Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old
version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11
to Jaws
12


Hi Tom,

There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That
is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need
to do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box
to have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of
Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut
keystroke. Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws
12


Hi, again.

I just thought of one more question here.

What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?

I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.

All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the
shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.

I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have
taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.

Tom in Michigan



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Re: [Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12

Dave Durber
 

Gerald:

What else can I say, except to repeat what I wrote in my previous posting, according to FS Tech Support, JAWS does not assign a shortcut key during the installation of any version of JAWS. If you have a problem with that statement, then you should take it up with the FS Technical Support Department.

Now, as far as I am concerned, this thread has reached the end of the road. I have nothing else to say or add on this thread. This is my last posting on this thread.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12



Then how do you explain the fact that my version of JAWS 9 had the hot key of Alt-Control-J when it was originally installed? I did not assign this hot key myself, and Hot Key Detective confirmed that it was not user-assigned. Hot Key Detective designates user-defined hot keys as "personal" and system or program-assigned hot keys as "common". Alt-Control-J was designated as "common", which means that it was not user-assigned. So where did it come from? And how do you explain the fact that When Open Book 7 was installed, it was assigned the hot key Alt-Control-O? Again, I didn't assign it myself.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12


Gerald:

When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed JAWS 9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not, assign CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.

Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the installation programs for any of those versions did not, again I repeat, did not, assign any shortcut key.

Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS Tech Support to clarify this point.

The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a shortcut key automatically during the installation process or not, said that the JAWS installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly installed version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an assigned shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12



Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version installed on your computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J when it was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot key, it will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined hot key Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically assigned by an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10. In order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version of JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10 and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a user-assigned hot key.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws12


Karen:

Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the shortcut key combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would launch. In that instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.

Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions of my experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that is, launch JAWS 10 over JAWS11.

I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for JAWS 10 and JAWS 11.

I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the same with JAWS 10.

I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be loaded.

Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and launched JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.

It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more than one application, Windows will launch the last program to which you assigned the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which has the latest updated date and time stamps.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws12


dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again using a different version of jaws. would it not react to the last request. this would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a thought. please advise, karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws 12


Dave and everyone:

From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.

I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10 and press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.

It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried to assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to a program to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the case and give you another opportunity to choose another short cut combination for the other program.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 toJaws 12


Mike,

Not quite.

Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will start up
on boot of the computer.

When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.

If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one with the
hotkey.

Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws
12


Hi Tom,

There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need to do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box to have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut keystroke. Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws 12


Hi, again.

I just thought of one more question here.

What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws 12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?

I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.

All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.

I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.

Tom in Michigan



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Re: [Bulk] [hot key detective was Bulk] Transferring Alt Control Jshortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12

Dave...
 

Kimsan,

http://www.jfwlite.com/

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 14:42
Subject: [Bulk] RE: [hot key detective was Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt
Control Jshortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12


I keep hearing this hot key detective in the mits of this wonderful
discussion. Where do I get it?
Is it duable on windows 7?


kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: 22 August, 2011 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12

Gerald:

When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed JAWS
9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not, assign
CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.

Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the installation
programs for any of those versions did not, again I repeat, did not, assign
any shortcut key.

Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS Tech
Support to clarify this point.

The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a shortcut
key automatically during the installation process or not, said that the JAWS

installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly installed

version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an assigned
shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12



Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version installed on your
computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J when it
was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot key, it
will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined hot key
Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically assigned by
an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can
use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is
application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version
of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I
originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10. In
order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version of
JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10
and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a
user-assigned hot key.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12


Karen:

Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and
then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the shortcut key
combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would launch. In that
instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.

Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that is, launch
JAWS 10 over JAWS11.

I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for JAWS 10 and
JAWS 11.

I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the same with
JAWS 10.

I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which
version of JAWS would be loaded.

Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and launched
JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.

It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you assigned
the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which has the
latest updated date and time stamps.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12


dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again using a
different version of jaws. would it not react to the last request. this
would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a thought.
please advise, karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws 12


Dave and everyone:

From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.

I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10 and
press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be
loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.

It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut
key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried to
assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to a program
to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the case and
give you another opportunity to choose another short cut combination
for the other program.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11 toJaws 12


Mike,

Not quite.

Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will
start up
on boot of the computer.

When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be
added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or
may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.

If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you
could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one
with the
hotkey.

Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old
version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11
to Jaws
12


Hi Tom,

There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That
is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need to
do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box to
have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of
Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut keystroke.
Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws 12


Hi, again.

I just thought of one more question here.

What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?

I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.

All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the
shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.

I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have
taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.

Tom in Michigan



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Re: [Bulk] [hot key detective was Bulk] Transferring Alt Control Jshortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12

Dave...
 

Kimsan,

go to the jfwlite web site and look under programs.
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 14:42
Subject: [Bulk] RE: [hot key detective was Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt
Control Jshortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12


I keep hearing this hot key detective in the mits of this wonderful
discussion. Where do I get it?
Is it duable on windows 7?


kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: 22 August, 2011 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12

Gerald:

When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed JAWS
9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not, assign
CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.

Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the installation
programs for any of those versions did not, again I repeat, did not, assign
any shortcut key.

Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS Tech
Support to clarify this point.

The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a shortcut
key automatically during the installation process or not, said that the JAWS

installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly installed

version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an assigned
shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12



Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version installed on your
computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J when it
was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot key, it
will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined hot key
Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically assigned by
an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can
use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is
application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version
of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I
originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10. In
order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version of
JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10
and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a
user-assigned hot key.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12


Karen:

Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and
then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the shortcut key
combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would launch. In that
instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.

Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that is, launch
JAWS 10 over JAWS11.

I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for JAWS 10 and
JAWS 11.

I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the same with
JAWS 10.

I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which
version of JAWS would be loaded.

Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and launched
JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.

It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you assigned
the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which has the
latest updated date and time stamps.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12


dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again using a
different version of jaws. would it not react to the last request. this
would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a thought.
please advise, karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws 12


Dave and everyone:

From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.

I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10 and
press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be
loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.

It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut
key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried to
assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to a program
to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the case and
give you another opportunity to choose another short cut combination
for the other program.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11 toJaws 12


Mike,

Not quite.

Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will
start up
on boot of the computer.

When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be
added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or
may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.

If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you
could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one
with the
hotkey.

Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old
version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11
to Jaws
12


Hi Tom,

There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That
is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need to
do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box to
have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of
Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut keystroke.
Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws 12


Hi, again.

I just thought of one more question here.

What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?

I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.

All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the
shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.

I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have
taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.

Tom in Michigan



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Re: [hot key detective was Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Have you tried typing "hotkey detective" into Google?

At 05:42 PM 8/22/2011, you wrote:
I keep hearing this hot key detective in the mits of this wonderful
discussion. Where do I get it?
Is it duable on windows 7?


kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: 22 August, 2011 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12

Gerald:

When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed JAWS
9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not, assign
CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.

Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the installation
programs for any of those versions did not, again I repeat, did not, assign
any shortcut key.

Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS Tech
Support to clarify this point.

The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a shortcut
key automatically during the installation process or not, said that the JAWS

installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly installed

version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an assigned
shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12



Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version
installed on your

computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key
Alt-Control-J when it
was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot
key, it
will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined
hot key
Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically
assigned by
an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the
user. You can

use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is
application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the
demo version
of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically
when I
originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to
JAWS 10. In
order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default
version of
JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J
from JAWS 10
and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a
user-assigned hot key.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11toJaws12


Karen:

Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10
first and
then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the
shortcut key
combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would
launch. In that
instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.

Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions
of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that
is, launch
JAWS 10 over JAWS11.

I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for
JAWS 10 and
JAWS 11.

I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the
same with
JAWS 10.

I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to
see which
version of JAWS would be loaded.

Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and
launched
JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.

It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more
than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you
assigned
the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which
has the
latest updated date and time stamps.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11toJaws12


dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again
using a
different version of jaws. would it not react to the last
request. this
would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a
thought.
please advise, karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11toJaws 12


Dave and everyone:

From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not
automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.

I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not
complain that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded
JAWS 10 and

press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS
would be
loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.

It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a
short cut
key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if
you tried to

assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to
a program
to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the
case and
give you another opportunity to choose another short cut
combination
for the other program.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws
11 toJaws 12


Mike,

Not quite.

Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that
JAWS will
start up
on boot of the computer.

When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a
shortcut will be
added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and
it may or
may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.

If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11,
12) you
could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the
first one
with the
hotkey.

Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for
the old
version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close
enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay
Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
from Jaws 11
to Jaws
12


Hi Tom,

There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J,
keystroke. That
is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What
you need to

do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check
the box to
have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any
version of
Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut
keystroke.

Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11
to Jaws 12


Hi, again.

I just thought of one more question here.

What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J
shortcut to Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?

I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in
earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.

All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring
the
shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.

I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function
would have
taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.

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Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines

Cy Selfridge
 

Hi Karen,
The old saying is that "if it ain't broke then don't fix it?. This sure
applies when it comes to FS.
If your current release of JAWS works for you then wait until bugs are known
in the newest release.
I concur with some of the comments about JAWS 13, new features would be nice
but I sure wish they would fix some of the known bugs in 12 such as Excel
and Access.
Also, another old saying is the "KISS" principle (Keep it simple stupid)
which FS might want to consider as a development stratigy.
Kinda like Open Book, much too many "gizmos" to accomplish what used to be a
simple task which was scan the document and translate it into a text or Word
file so one could read and edit it.
Oh well, JMO, Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines

cy i agree with you. if twelve is such a problem stay away from it and dont
load future programs unless you are sure they will not mess up what is on
your computer at pressent. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines


Hi,
I have JAWS 11, latest build, on both my W7 and XP laptops. 11 works fine
on
both operating systems and, yes, I am entitled to use 12 but, no thanks as
yet.
I can't wait to see what 13 will do. If it is no better than 12 then I
honestly think I am done with FS.
Cy


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines

Thanks for the thought, Dave.

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines


Yes, stick to JAWS 11 on your XP machine. Don't fix what isn't broken.
Wait
and see what JAWS 13 does.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@...>
To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:27
Subject: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines


Hello, everyone.

In a recent post, I believe Adrian said the following:

"Many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. ... I still
use
XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12."

The timing for this comment couldn't have been better in my case.

Although this is likely to change soon as my University switches us all
completely over to Windows 7, my desktop at work is still an XP machine,
and
still has Jaws 11. The back-up PC I have at home is an XP machine, and
that
too has Jaws 11.

So, is the collective wisdom of the group to keep things as they are now
on
the XP machines, rather than installing Jaws 12 which seems to be geared
more to Windows 7?

If this is true, you guys have just saved me some head-aches with my
remaining XP computers, and I thank you sincerely for that.

I'll save my headaches for installing Jaws 12 on the new Windows 7 laptop
the University will give me this week. (smile)

Tom in Michigan


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Re: [hot key detective was Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12

kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

I keep hearing this hot key detective in the mits of this wonderful
discussion. Where do I get it?
Is it duable on windows 7?


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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: 22 August, 2011 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12

Gerald:

When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed JAWS
9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not, assign
CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.

Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the installation
programs for any of those versions did not, again I repeat, did not, assign
any shortcut key.

Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS Tech
Support to clarify this point.

The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a shortcut
key automatically during the installation process or not, said that the JAWS

installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly installed

version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an assigned
shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12



Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version installed on your
computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J when it
was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot key, it
will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined hot key
Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically assigned by
an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can
use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is
application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version
of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I
originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10. In
order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version of
JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10
and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a
user-assigned hot key.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12


Karen:

Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and
then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the shortcut key
combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would launch. In that
instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.

Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that is, launch
JAWS 10 over JAWS11.

I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for JAWS 10 and
JAWS 11.

I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the same with
JAWS 10.

I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which
version of JAWS would be loaded.

Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and launched
JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.

It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you assigned
the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which has the
latest updated date and time stamps.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12


dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again using a
different version of jaws. would it not react to the last request. this
would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a thought.
please advise, karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws 12


Dave and everyone:

From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.

I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10 and
press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be
loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.

It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut
key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried to
assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to a program
to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the case and
give you another opportunity to choose another short cut combination
for the other program.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11 toJaws 12


Mike,

Not quite.

Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will
start up
on boot of the computer.

When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be
added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or
may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.

If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you
could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one
with the
hotkey.

Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old
version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11
to Jaws
12


Hi Tom,

There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That
is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need to
do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box to
have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of
Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut keystroke.
Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws 12


Hi, again.

I just thought of one more question here.

What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?

I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.

All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the
shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.

I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have
taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.

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Re: [Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws11toJaws12

Adrian Spratt
 

Gerald,

We shouldn't be framing this question as an argument. You're very accurate
in your posts, as are those who describe the opposite experience. To me, it
makes sense for FS to create the hotkey automatically because, as this
thread shows, doing it on our own can be vexing. So I wonder how it is that
your versions of JAWS save you the trouble while mine, for one, puts the
burden on me.

The drawback of having the manufacturer create the hotkey is the possibility
of conflict with an existing one. For example, your OpenBook hotkey would
conflict with my Outlook hotkey.

I wonder if anyone can suggest why different systems get or don't get the
automatic alt-control-j hotkey.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 4:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut
fromJaws11toJaws12


Then how do you explain the fact that my version of JAWS 9 had the hot key
of Alt-Control-J when it was originally installed? I did not assign this
hot key myself, and Hot Key Detective confirmed that it was not
user-assigned. Hot Key Detective designates user-defined hot keys as
"personal" and system or program-assigned hot keys as "common".
Alt-Control-J was designated as "common", which means that it was not
user-assigned. So where did it come from? And how do you explain the fact
that When Open Book 7 was installed, it was assigned the hot key
Alt-Control-O? Again, I didn't assign it myself.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12


Gerald:

When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and
installed JAWS 9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did
not, assign
CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.

Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the
installation programs for any of those versions did not, again I
repeat, did not, assign any shortcut key.

Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS
Tech Support to clarify this point.

The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a
shortcut key automatically during the installation process or not,
said that the JAWS installation program does not assign any shortcut
key to the newly installed version of JAWS. They went on to say that
JAWS might delete an assigned shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS
function.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws
11toJaws12



Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version installed on
your computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key
Alt-Control-J when it was originally installed. Unless you delete
this "hidden" hot key, it will always launch JAWS 11, even if you
create the user-defined hot key Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a
rule, hot keys automatically assigned by an application take
precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can use Hot Key
Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is application
assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version of JAWS
10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I
originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10.
In order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version
of JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from
JAWS 10 and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a
user-assigned hot key.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws12


Karen:

Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first
and then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the shortcut
key combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would launch.
In that instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.

Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions of my
experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that is,
launch JAWS 10 over JAWS11.

I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for JAWS 10
and JAWS 11.

I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the same
with JAWS 10.

I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see
which version of JAWS would be loaded.

Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and
launched JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.

It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more than one
application, Windows will launch the last program to which you
assigned the shortcut key combination, that is, the application
which has the latest updated date and time stamps.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from
Jaws
11toJaws12


dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again using
a different version of jaws. would it not react to the last
request. this would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just
a thought.
please advise, karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from
Jaws 11toJaws 12


Dave and everyone:

From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically
assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.

I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned
CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain
CTRL+ALT+that I
had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS
10 and press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS
would be loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.

It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short
cut key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you
tried to assign a short cut combination that was already assigned
to a program to another program, Windows would tell you that this
was the case and give you another opportunity to choose another
short cut combination for the other program.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from
Jaws
11 toJaws 12


Mike,

Not quite.

Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS
will start up on boot of the computer.

When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will
be added to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12)
and it may or may not have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.

If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12)
you could end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually
the first one with the hotkey.

Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old
version and the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey
assigned.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for
my comfort to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San
Francisco Bay Area. But I'll try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11 to Jaws
12


Hi Tom,

There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke.
That is the default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws.
What you need to do is go to the Jaws12 context menu / options /
basics and check the box to have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version
of Jaws, tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the
shortcut keystroke. Hope this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to
Jaws 12


Hi, again.

I just thought of one more question here.

What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to
Jaws
12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?

I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in
earlier upgrades, and can't remember how to resolve it.

All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the
shortcut over to the new version of Jaws from the earlier
version.

I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would
have taken care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade
efforts.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.

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Re: [Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12

Gerald Levy
 

Then how do you explain the fact that my version of JAWS 9 had the hot key of Alt-Control-J when it was originally installed? I did not assign this hot key myself, and Hot Key Detective confirmed that it was not user-assigned. Hot Key Detective designates user-defined hot keys as "personal" and system or program-assigned hot keys as "common". Alt-Control-J was designated as "common", which means that it was not user-assigned. So where did it come from? And how do you explain the fact that When Open Book 7 was installed, it was assigned the hot key Alt-Control-O? Again, I didn't assign it myself.

Gerald

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12


Gerald:

When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed JAWS 9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not, assign CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.

Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the installation programs for any of those versions did not, again I repeat, did not, assign any shortcut key.

Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS Tech Support to clarify this point.

The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a shortcut key automatically during the installation process or not, said that the JAWS installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly installed version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an assigned shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12



Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version installed on your computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J when it was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot key, it will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined hot key Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically assigned by an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10. In order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version of JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10 and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a user-assigned hot key.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws12


Karen:

Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the shortcut key combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would launch. In that instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.

Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions of my experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that is, launch JAWS 10 over JAWS11.

I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for JAWS 10 and JAWS 11.

I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the same with JAWS 10.

I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be loaded.

Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and launched JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.

It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more than one application, Windows will launch the last program to which you assigned the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which has the latest updated date and time stamps.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws12


dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again using a different version of jaws. would it not react to the last request. this would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a thought. please advise, karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws 12


Dave and everyone:

From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.

I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10 and press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.

It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried to assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to a program to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the case and give you another opportunity to choose another short cut combination for the other program.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 toJaws 12


Mike,

Not quite.

Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will start up
on boot of the computer.

When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.

If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one with the
hotkey.

Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws
12


Hi Tom,

There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need to do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box to have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut keystroke. Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws 12


Hi, again.

I just thought of one more question here.

What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws 12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?

I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.

All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.

I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.

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Re: Problem with MAGic and JAWS

djasister@...
 

Unload both and reload.

Do not let magic run at the log in screan.

-----Original Message-----
From: Londa Peterson
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:03 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Problem with MAGic and JAWS

This may be borderline for this list. If the it is considered off topic, I
apologize, and I'll take it to another list. I have a client who has a
Toshiba netbook running Win 7. She recently sent it to Toshiba because it
had a bad hard drive which needed to be replaced. She reinstalled JAWS and
MAGIC, and everything seemed to be fine for a while. the problem came when
she installed the daisy training materials. After she did this, MAGic would
not run. It kept saying that the MAGic engine could not start. Freedom
Scientific is telling her that the problem needs to be fixed by Toshiba.
Toshiba is saying that it needs to be fixed by freedom Scientific. My first
thought is to uninstall MAGic, including shared files, and then reinstall
it. My questions are:



1. Will her JAWS survive this process, or will I have to reinstall it too?

Does anyone out there have any other ideas of things I could try in order to
get MAGic working again?



As far as I know she is running the latest versions of both products. If
she's not, she will be when I'm done working on the machine. Any help would
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Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

James Homuth
 

Folks, I asked this thread be dropped. I'm not asking again. Next reply,
moderated. Enough said.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: August 22, 2011 4:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

SO do I. I know this is off topic, and James will probably kick my ass, but
does anyone know if such a program exists for the iphone?
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Loreal Lavigna
Sent: 22 August 2011 04:47
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: blindwindows7@...; ddots-l@...
Subject: Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

I just block the email senders whose messages I no longer wish to receive.
Plus I have a program on my blackberry which does much of the same.
Loreal
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart <@ve3rwj>
Sender: jfw-bounces@...
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 23:41:37
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.<jfw@...>
Reply-To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: <blindwindows7@...>; <ddots-l@...>
Subject: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

I wasn't going to post on this matter again. However, I quickly
found the place to report abuse to Gmail.l.

I believe Mostafa Al'Mahdy harvested my email address from this or
similar blindness-related listserves. Since he has chosen to
ignore my public and private requests to not be mailed any more of
his political rantings, I have reported him to Gmail. Those of you
receiving similar mail may wish to do likewise.
The form at this URL requests message headers, gmail user id of the
offending party, and the message body of one of the offending
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http://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=abuse

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Problem with MAGic and JAWS

Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...>
 

This may be borderline for this list. If the it is considered off topic, I
apologize, and I'll take it to another list. I have a client who has a
Toshiba netbook running Win 7. She recently sent it to Toshiba because it
had a bad hard drive which needed to be replaced. She reinstalled JAWS and
MAGIC, and everything seemed to be fine for a while. the problem came when
she installed the daisy training materials. After she did this, MAGic would
not run. It kept saying that the MAGic engine could not start. Freedom
Scientific is telling her that the problem needs to be fixed by Toshiba.
Toshiba is saying that it needs to be fixed by freedom Scientific. My first
thought is to uninstall MAGic, including shared files, and then reinstall
it. My questions are:



1. Will her JAWS survive this process, or will I have to reinstall it too?

Does anyone out there have any other ideas of things I could try in order to
get MAGic working again?



As far as I know she is running the latest versions of both products. If
she's not, she will be when I'm done working on the machine. Any help would
be appreciated.



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Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

Alex Stone <alex.stone@...>
 

SO do I. I know this is off topic, and James will probably kick my ass, but
does anyone know if such a program exists for the iphone?
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Loreal Lavigna
Sent: 22 August 2011 04:47
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: blindwindows7@...; ddots-l@...
Subject: Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

I just block the email senders whose messages I no longer wish to receive.
Plus I have a program on my blackberry which does much of the same.
Loreal
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart <@ve3rwj>
Sender: jfw-bounces@...
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 23:41:37
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.<jfw@...>
Reply-To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: <blindwindows7@...>; <ddots-l@...>
Subject: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

I wasn't going to post on this matter again. However, I quickly
found the place to report abuse to Gmail.l.

I believe Mostafa Al'Mahdy harvested my email address from this or
similar blindness-related listserves. Since he has chosen to
ignore my public and private requests to not be mailed any more of
his political rantings, I have reported him to Gmail. Those of you
receiving similar mail may wish to do likewise.
The form at this URL requests message headers, gmail user id of the
offending party, and the message body of one of the offending
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http://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=abuse

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Re: [Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12

Dave Durber
 

Gerald:

When I recently reinstalled Windows XP Pro on my computer and installed JAWS 9, the JAWS installation program did not, I repeat, did not, assign CTRL+ALT+J or, any other shortcut key combination to JAWS 9.

Likewise, when I installed JAWS 10, 11, and 12, none of the installation programs for any of those versions did not, again I repeat, did not, assign any shortcut key.

Finally, before posting my response to your last posting, I called FS Tech Support to clarify this point.

The Tech Support Representative, when I ask them if JAWS assigns a shortcut key automatically during the installation process or not, said that the JAWS installation program does not assign any shortcut key to the newly installed version of JAWS. They went on to say that JAWS might delete an assigned shortcut key. when you use the Repair JAWS function.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws12



Not necessarily. Assuming JAWS 11 is the latest version installed on your computer, it was automatically assigned the hot key Alt-Control-J when it was originally installed. Unless you delete this "hidden" hot key, it will always launch JAWS 11, even if you create the user-defined hot key Alt-Control-J for JAWS 10. As a rule, hot keys automatically assigned by an application take precedence over hot keys defined by the user. You can use Hot Key Detective to determine whether a particular hot key is application assigned or user assigned. When I installed the demo version of JAWS 10, Alt-Control-J, which had been created automatically when I originally installed JAWS 9, was automatically reassigned to JAWS 10. In order to reassign Alt-Control-J back to JAWS 9, my default version of JAWS, I had to use Hot Key Detective to delete Alt-Control-J from JAWS 10 and then use the Properties dialog of JAWS 9 to re-create it as a user-assigned hot key.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws12


Karen:

Yesterday, if you remember, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J to JAWS 10 first and then JAWS 11. I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed the shortcut key combination to see which version of JAWS Windows would launch. In that instance, JAWS 11 was launched over JAWS 10.

Following your comments in your reply, I reversed the actions of my experiment, to see whether Windows reversed its action, that is, launch JAWS 10 over JAWS11.

I first deleted the CTRL+ALT+J shortcut key combination for JAWS 10 and JAWS 11.

I then assigned the shortcut key to JAWS 11 first and did the same with JAWS 10.

I then unloaded JAWS 10 and pressed CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be loaded.

Well, surprise, surprise, Windows did reverse its action and launched JAWS 10 over JAWS 11.

It appears that if you assign the same shortcut key to more than one application, Windows will launch the last program to which you assigned the shortcut key combination, that is, the application which has the latest updated date and time stamps.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws12


dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again using a different version of jaws. would it not react to the last request. this would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a thought. please advise, karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws 12


Dave and everyone:

From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.

I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10 and press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.

It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried to assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to a program to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the case and give you another opportunity to choose another short cut combination for the other program.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 toJaws 12


Mike,

Not quite.

Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will start up
on boot of the computer.

When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.

If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one with the
hotkey.

Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws
12


Hi Tom,

There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need to do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box to have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut keystroke. Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws 12


Hi, again.

I just thought of one more question here.

What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws 12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?

I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.

All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.

I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.

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Re: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi

Claire Ryan <claire.ryan24@...>
 

Hi Gary,

I think this link would help to answer your question:
http://email.about.com/od/gmailtips/qt/et_block_sender.htm

Thanks,
Claire.

On 8/22/11, Gary King <w4wkz@...> wrote:
Isn't there a way to block someone in Gmail? I have made good use of the
Block Senders List in the email programs I've used. It even helps with
those "Out of Office" messages that some folks send out to demonstrate their
importance.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: <blindwindows7@...>; <ddots-l@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:41 PM
Subject: Unwanted Racist Emails from Mostafa.al'madi


I wasn't going to post on this matter again. However, I quickly found the
place to report abuse to Gmail.l.

I believe Mostafa Al'Mahdy harvested my email address from this or similar

blindness-related listserves. Since he has chosen to ignore my public and

private requests to not be mailed any more of his political rantings, I
have reported him to Gmail. Those of you receiving similar mail may wish
to do likewise.
The form at this URL requests message headers, gmail user id of the
offending party, and the message body of one of the offending emails, so
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Re: [Bulk] Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws12

inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

no, that will give you a null action on the assignment, a "it's already assigned" feature and may well attempt to start the prior assigned version of jaws as well.

regards,
inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws12


dave if yuou assign a short cut then do the same action again using a different version of jaws. would it not react to the last request. this would eliminate the first request of the same thing. just a thought. please advise, karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11toJaws 12


Dave and everyone:

From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically assign CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.

I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J, to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I had assigned the short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10 and press CTRL+ALT+J and waited to see which version of JAWS would be loaded. Well, in my example, JAWS 11 was loaded.

It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut key combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried to assign a short cut combination that was already assigned to a program to another program, Windows would tell you that this was the case and give you another opportunity to choose another short cut combination for the other program.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 toJaws 12


Mike,

Not quite.

Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will start up
on boot of the computer.

When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or may not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.

If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one with the
hotkey.

Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old version and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws
12


Hi Tom,

There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That is the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need to do is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box to have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut keystroke. Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws 12


Hi, again.

I just thought of one more question here.

What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws 12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?

I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.

All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.

I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.

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