At 02:40 PM 8/21/2011, you wrote:

Hello,
I now have JFW 12 on my computer and am running windows 7. I was wondering about eudorah. if they still have a free mail program and do they have a version that works with Windows 7?
I used to use it back in the days of Dos.
Thanks in advance.
Bill Deatherage
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----- Original Message -----
From: "david ingram" <dingram269@earthlink.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

be prepared to spend $750 in order to not only update jaws to version 12, but also include in that the sma. I hope that this helps. If you plan to use windows 7, i'm not sure if the cost is more or may you may already have the pro version of jaws. I'll check on that part of things on Monday when i talk to someone at Freedom Scientific, They will be able to tell me if this is true or not.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian and Denise Albriton" <autoharp@shellworld.net>
To: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Cc: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:59 AM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

I think you made a good choice. Twelve seems to be pretty abysmal with xp.


On Sun, 21 Aug 2011, Adrian Spratt wrote:

Check with FS in the morning, but I suspect your friend would be asked to
pay full price. I suggest waiting for the release of JAWS 13, which I
believe is anticipated in November. This way if your friend bought an SMA at
the same time, s/he would be eligible to upgrade to JAWS 14 without
additional charge. In addition, many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. I'm assuming
someone using JAWS 7 hasn't yet switched to Windows 7. I still use XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11, even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Brian and Denise Albriton
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:34 AM
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Subject: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Has anyone move from jaws 7 to 12 and if so how much did it cost?
Checking on behalf of a friend.



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On Behalf Of Cliff Self
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 6:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: To upgrade or not

I'm currently running Jaws 10 on an XP Home. My SMA entitles me to upgrade
to 11 or 12. Is there a compelling reason why I should do either. From the

previous thread, it sounds like the juryy's out on 12. Is 11 a vast
improvement over 10?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

But how can you install JAWS for the first time from the FS download site on a new computer if you don't have speech to begin with? Obviously, you have to be able to visit the FS download page and locate the JAWS download link, which would require speech or sighted help. Am I missing something?

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Gerald,

No, and no.

You can install JAWS from the web version for the very first time on a new
computer. I've done this more than once. The CD is not required, as long as
you know your authorization code. Have you written it somewhere in a very
safe place?

Adrian answered your other question.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 13:08
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Don't you need the installation CD to install JAWS on a new computer for the
first time? Also, when you upgrade your SMA aren't you given a new 20-digit
authorization code that has to be entered during the installation?

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Takes a few weeks. You can shorten the time by just downloading the
installer from the web site. It works either way.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:43
Subject: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Okay, here's a dumb question. If you upgrade your SMA online, will FS
send
you an installation CD for the version of JAWS you are upgrading to? If
so,
how long does it take for them to send it? The FS web site doesn't make
this clear.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Gerald went to the FS website and corrected what I was careful to say was
a
guess. If you count the cost of SMAs for those of us who stayed current
from
JAWS 7 to 12, FS's $400 price tag for JAWS 12 from 7 looks cheap.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

who ever said anything about fair. they do this to everyone. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Full price! You mean FS doesn't even give you a break if you are
already
a loyal JAWS user? So somebody who is using an older version of JAWS
like

JAWS 7 or 8 would pay the same $1000 for JAWS 12 as somebody who has
never

used JAWS before? This just doesn't seem fair.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Check with FS in the morning, but I suspect your friend would be asked
to
pay full price. I suggest waiting for the release of JAWS 13, which I
believe is anticipated in November. This way if your friend bought an
SMA

at
the same time, s/he would be eligible to upgrade to JAWS 14 without
additional charge. In addition, many listers have reported flaws in
JAWS
12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. I'm assuming
someone using JAWS 7 hasn't yet switched to Windows 7. I still use XP
Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brian and Denise Albriton
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Has anyone move from jaws 7 to 12 and if so how much did it cost?
Checking on behalf of a friend.



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-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: 20 August 2011 06:47
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk]
[Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] [Bulk] Try
Again - What!?

Mr. Lawrence, What?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Lawrence" <kenlawrence124@aol.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 21:24
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Question on activation count


is jaws thought it was the email client of the user


-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 7:35 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: Question on activation count

Ken,

Dave Carlson gave you clear instructions on how to stop JAWS from
verbalizing "bulk" in this context. Yes, it's annoying, but no one's
intentionally doing it to you and the fix is so simple.

As he later says, go ahead and have your ISP reject these messages as spam.
You'll miss a lot of good advice, but maybe for you that 's a small price.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Ken Lawrence
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 10:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Question on activation count

got a question. with tghe3 word bulk in message after message, should I
start reporting all jaws messages that aren't a concern as spam or junk
mail?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Question on activation count

Well thanks, Peter.

I sure hope you're right!

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@msn.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Question on activation count

If you haven't had many reset requests you'll be fine.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 12:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Question on activation count

Well, Peter, I just completed the activation re-set form, so will
hopefully learn the outcome soon.

I am a bit distressed about FS's approach to the activation issue, since
we
all paid good money for various versions of Jaws over the years, but I
guess
that's the name of the game in the softwre design world today.

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Question on activation count

I used to do it over the website but FS once advised me that since I'm in
the UK, taking in to account time difference, public holidays etc it would

be best to contact my local distributor Sight and Sound. The last time
Sight and Sound went to reset my activations they were told by FS that
they couldn't do it. I then rang FS from the UK and had a debate with the
person on the helpdesk and she reset my activation but only to 1, not 3.

I'm finding so much more that NVDA is working better with than JAWS that
now I really won't be upgrading any further with JAWS after my SMA runs
out. I also intend to take up all my issues with FS.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:58 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Question on activation count

Peter:

Are you trying to re-set your activation count via the web site, or over
the
phone?

I'm about to embark on this process myself, out of necessity, so a
curious
mind wants to know. (smile)

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@msn.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Question on activation count

Hmm, they have now refused to reset mine to more than one at a time.
They claim I have had 33 activations in a few months. Can't think where
they get that figure from and very annoying. I'm in the process of
raising it as a complaint. They tried to sell me a dongle licence
instead.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 3:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Question on activation count

They are nice, but don't ask more than once every few months. If you're
down
to 1 they will sometimes bump you back up to 3. But no more than 3.
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 17:36
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Question on activation count


That's what I thought, so my next question is "How liberal is FS when

it
comes to getting your activation count re-set if needed?

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: Question on activation count

Hello there;

No, you will only receive 3
Regardless of which version you use,


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:29 PM
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Subject: Question on activation count

Hi, all.

I'm between computers here, and have a question about Jaws activation
counts.

I know I could call FS about this, but figured I might get a quicker
answer
from the list.

Regarding activations, does a single-license Jaws user like myself have

a
given number of activations for each separate version of Jaws, or is
the
allotted number of 3 activations constant across all versions of Jaws
collectively?

I am getting a couple of new computers set up for both office and
home,
and

am trying to figure out how best to proceed, while still keeping an
older
Windows XP machine around as a back-up in case that is needed as well.

I have Jaws 12, but a few earlier versions of Jaws that I could
probably
use if neded, if that would give me more activations to work with.

Thanks!

Tom from Michigan



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-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 6:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


But how can you install JAWS for the first time from the FS download site on
a new computer if you don't have speech to begin with? Obviously, you have
to be able to visit the FS download page and locate the JAWS download link,
which would require speech or sighted help. Am I missing something?

Gerald


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From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Gerald,

No, and no.

You can install JAWS from the web version for the very first time on a new
computer. I've done this more than once. The CD is not required, as long
as
you know your authorization code. Have you written it somewhere in a very
safe place?

Adrian answered your other question.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 13:08
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Don't you need the installation CD to install JAWS on a new computer for
the
first time? Also, when you upgrade your SMA aren't you given a new
20-digit
authorization code that has to be entered during the installation?

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Takes a few weeks. You can shorten the time by just downloading the
installer from the web site. It works either way.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:43
Subject: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Okay, here's a dumb question. If you upgrade your SMA online, will FS
send
you an installation CD for the version of JAWS you are upgrading to? If
so,
how long does it take for them to send it? The FS web site doesn't make
this clear.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Gerald went to the FS website and corrected what I was careful to say
was
a
guess. If you count the cost of SMAs for those of us who stayed current
from
JAWS 7 to 12, FS's $400 price tag for JAWS 12 from 7 looks cheap.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

who ever said anything about fair. they do this to everyone. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Full price! You mean FS doesn't even give you a break if you are
already
a loyal JAWS user? So somebody who is using an older version of JAWS
like

JAWS 7 or 8 would pay the same $1000 for JAWS 12 as somebody who has
never

used JAWS before? This just doesn't seem fair.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Check with FS in the morning, but I suspect your friend would be asked
to
pay full price. I suggest waiting for the release of JAWS 13, which I
believe is anticipated in November. This way if your friend bought an
SMA

at
the same time, s/he would be eligible to upgrade to JAWS 14 without
additional charge. In addition, many listers have reported flaws in
JAWS
12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. I'm
assuming
someone using JAWS 7 hasn't yet switched to Windows 7. I still use XP
Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brian and Denise Albriton
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Has anyone move from jaws 7 to 12 and if so how much did it cost?
Checking on behalf of a friend.



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----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Gerald,

No, and no.

You can install JAWS from the web version for the very first time on a new
computer. I've done this more than once. The CD is not required, as long as
you know your authorization code. Have you written it somewhere in a very
safe place?

Adrian answered your other question.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 13:08
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Don't you need the installation CD to install JAWS on a new computer for the
first time? Also, when you upgrade your SMA aren't you given a new 20-digit
authorization code that has to be entered during the installation?

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Takes a few weeks. You can shorten the time by just downloading the
installer from the web site. It works either way.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:43
Subject: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Okay, here's a dumb question. If you upgrade your SMA online, will FS
send
you an installation CD for the version of JAWS you are upgrading to? If
so,
how long does it take for them to send it? The FS web site doesn't make
this clear.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Gerald went to the FS website and corrected what I was careful to say was
a
guess. If you count the cost of SMAs for those of us who stayed current
from
JAWS 7 to 12, FS's $400 price tag for JAWS 12 from 7 looks cheap.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

who ever said anything about fair. they do this to everyone. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Full price! You mean FS doesn't even give you a break if you are
already
a loyal JAWS user? So somebody who is using an older version of JAWS
like

JAWS 7 or 8 would pay the same $1000 for JAWS 12 as somebody who has
never

used JAWS before? This just doesn't seem fair.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Check with FS in the morning, but I suspect your friend would be asked
to
pay full price. I suggest waiting for the release of JAWS 13, which I
believe is anticipated in November. This way if your friend bought an
SMA

at
the same time, s/he would be eligible to upgrade to JAWS 14 without
additional charge. In addition, many listers have reported flaws in
JAWS
12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. I'm assuming
someone using JAWS 7 hasn't yet switched to Windows 7. I still use XP
Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Brian and Denise Albriton
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Has anyone move from jaws 7 to 12 and if so how much did it cost?
Checking on behalf of a friend.



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On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Gerald,

No, and no.

You can install JAWS from the web version for the very first time on a new
computer. I've done this more than once. The CD is not required, as long as
you know your authorization code. Have you written it somewhere in a very
safe place?

Adrian answered your other question.

Dave Carlson

From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort

to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 13:08
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Don't you need the installation CD to install JAWS on a new computer for the
first time? Also, when you upgrade your SMA aren't you given a new 20-digit
authorization code that has to be entered during the installation?

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Takes a few weeks. You can shorten the time by just downloading the
installer from the web site. It works either way.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:43
Subject: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Okay, here's a dumb question. If you upgrade your SMA online, will FS
send
you an installation CD for the version of JAWS you are upgrading to? If
so,
how long does it take for them to send it? The FS web site doesn't make
this clear.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Gerald went to the FS website and corrected what I was careful to say was
a
guess. If you count the cost of SMAs for those of us who stayed current
from
JAWS 7 to 12, FS's $400 price tag for JAWS 12 from 7 looks cheap.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

who ever said anything about fair. they do this to everyone. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Full price! You mean FS doesn't even give you a break if you are
already
a loyal JAWS user? So somebody who is using an older version of JAWS
like

JAWS 7 or 8 would pay the same $1000 for JAWS 12 as somebody who has
never

used JAWS before? This just doesn't seem fair.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Check with FS in the morning, but I suspect your friend would be asked
to
pay full price. I suggest waiting for the release of JAWS 13, which I
believe is anticipated in November. This way if your friend bought an
SMA

at
the same time, s/he would be eligible to upgrade to JAWS 14 without
additional charge. In addition, many listers have reported flaws in
JAWS
12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. I'm assuming
someone using JAWS 7 hasn't yet switched to Windows 7. I still use XP
Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brian and Denise Albriton
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Has anyone move from jaws 7 to 12 and if so how much did it cost?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:11 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: let us discuss jaws13 features

Peter, as a user I completely agree, but from a marketing point of view
they've got to be seen to be adding new stuff haven't they?
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: 19 August 2011 08:34
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: let us discuss jaws13 features

I'd be happyier if they just focused on getting all the features from JAWS
12 working as well as possible.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 12:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: let us discuss jaws13 features

Bhavesh, we can discuss jaws 13 features all we like, but the public beta
will be coming out in the next month or so. Therefore this conversation is
redundant, as fs have already decided what new features in jaws 13 will be.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of BHAVESH
Sent: 15 August 2011 17:36
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: let us discuss jaws13 features

in this issue, i think even though it is late, we can discuss jaws13
features, which FS should add.
according to me, one feature that jaws13 should have is that it should
allow us to select the list of textual errors in a list view, and then
select which one to edit. this becomes easier to edit our preffered
text.

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Kind Regard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut fromJaws 11toJaws 12

Dave Durbur,

Good observations. There is a utility that will tell you what hotkeys are
assigned to what shortcuts and start menu icons.

Hot Key Detective. I think you can download it from the jfwlite web site.

Dave Carlson
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to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:55
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws
11toJaws 12


Dave and everyone:

From what I can tell, the JAWS installation does not automatically assign
CTRL+ALT+J, as a short cut to start JAWS.

I was using JAWS 10 at the time. As an experiment, I assigned CTRL+ALT+J,
to both JAWS 10 and 11. Windows did not complain that I had assigned the
short cut to two applications. I unloaded JAWS 10 and press CTRL+ALT+J and
waited to see which version of JAWS would be loaded. Well, in my example,
JAWS 11 was loaded.

It would help, if Windows allowed only one occurrence of a short cut key
combination to be allowed to launch a program. So, if you tried to assign a
short cut combination that was already assigned to a program to another
program, Windows would tell you that this was the case and give you another
opportunity to choose another short cut combination for the other program.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11
toJaws 12

Mike,

Not quite.

Checking the "Start JAWS automatically" just ensure that JAWS will start
up
on boot of the computer.

When installing a new version (say from 11 to 12) a shortcut will be added
to the desktop with the version number (e.g. JAWS 12) and it may or may
not
have the Ctrl+alt+J keystroke assigned.

If you have more than one major version of JAWS (9, 10, 11, 12) you could
end up with a desktop shortcut for each, and usually the first one with
the
hotkey.

Users like Tom need to edit the shortcut preferences for the old version
and
the new to ensure that only one has the hotkey assigned.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Barbara In Arcadia" <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to
Jaws
12


Hi Tom,

There is no need to transfer the alt, control, + J, keystroke. That is
the
default shortcut keystroke for all versions of Jaws. What you need to do
is
go to the Jaws12 context menu / options / basics and check the box to have
Jaws12 start automatically. By checking this box in any version of Jaws,
tells Jaws to use this particular keystroke as the shortcut keystroke.
Hope
this helps. Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:17 AM
Subject: Transferring Alt Control J shortcut from Jaws 11 to Jaws 12


Hi, again.

I just thought of one more question here.

What is the best way to transfer the Alt Control J shortcut to Jaws 12
from
Jaws 11, when doing the upgrade process?

I seem to recall having a problem with this once before in earlier
upgrades,
and can't remember how to resolve it.

All I remember is that I had great difficulty transferring the shortcut
over
to the new version of Jaws from the earlier version.

I would have thought that the "merge utilities" function would have taken
care of this, but it didn't in my earlier upgrade efforts.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions lately.

Tom in Michigan



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On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: 19 August 2011 08:34
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: let us discuss jaws13 features

I'd be happyier if they just focused on getting all the features from JAWS
12 working as well as possible.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 12:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: let us discuss jaws13 features

Bhavesh, we can discuss jaws 13 features all we like, but the public beta
will be coming out in the next month or so. Therefore this conversation is
redundant, as fs have already decided what new features in jaws 13 will be.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of BHAVESH
Sent: 15 August 2011 17:36
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: let us discuss jaws13 features

in this issue, i think even though it is late, we can discuss jaws13
features, which FS should add.
according to me, one feature that jaws13 should have is that it should
allow us to select the list of textual errors in a list view, and then
select which one to edit. this becomes easier to edit our preffered
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On 8/20/2011 7:39 AM, Kenny Peyatt wrote:

Hi nikki To use the new thunder with jaws 12 you will need to download the jaws 12 update that was released this month.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian and Denise Albriton" <autoharp@shellworld.net>
To: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
Cc: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:59 AM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

I think you made a good choice. Twelve seems to be pretty abysmal with xp.


On Sun, 21 Aug 2011, Adrian Spratt wrote:

Check with FS in the morning, but I suspect your friend would be asked to
pay full price. I suggest waiting for the release of JAWS 13, which I
believe is anticipated in November. This way if your friend bought an SMA at
the same time, s/he would be eligible to upgrade to JAWS 14 without
additional charge. In addition, many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. I'm assuming
someone using JAWS 7 hasn't yet switched to Windows 7. I still use XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11, even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brian and Denise Albriton
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Has anyone move from jaws 7 to 12 and if so how much did it cost?
Checking on behalf of a friend.



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-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12


Don't you need the installation CD to install JAWS on a new computer for the
first time? Also, when you upgrade your SMA aren't you given a new 20-digit
authorization code that has to be entered during the installation?

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Takes a few weeks. You can shorten the time by just downloading the
installer from the web site. It works either way.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:43
Subject: [Bulk] Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12



Okay, here's a dumb question. If you upgrade your SMA online, will FS
send
you an installation CD for the version of JAWS you are upgrading to? If
so,
how long does it take for them to send it? The FS web site doesn't make
this clear.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Gerald went to the FS website and corrected what I was careful to say was
a
guess. If you count the cost of SMAs for those of us who stayed current
from
JAWS 7 to 12, FS's $400 price tag for JAWS 12 from 7 looks cheap.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

who ever said anything about fair. they do this to everyone. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Full price! You mean FS doesn't even give you a break if you are
already
a loyal JAWS user? So somebody who is using an older version of JAWS
like

JAWS 7 or 8 would pay the same $1000 for JAWS 12 as somebody who has
never

used JAWS before? This just doesn't seem fair.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Check with FS in the morning, but I suspect your friend would be asked
to
pay full price. I suggest waiting for the release of JAWS 13, which I
believe is anticipated in November. This way if your friend bought an
SMA

at
the same time, s/he would be eligible to upgrade to JAWS 14 without
additional charge. In addition, many listers have reported flaws in
JAWS
12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. I'm assuming
someone using JAWS 7 hasn't yet switched to Windows 7. I still use XP
Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11,
even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brian and Denise Albriton
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: upgrading jaws from 7 to 12

Has anyone move from jaws 7 to 12 and if so how much did it cost?
Checking on behalf of a friend.



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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines

Thanks for the thought, Dave.

Tom in Michigan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines

Yes, stick to JAWS 11 on your XP machine. Don't fix what isn't broken.
Wait
and see what JAWS 13 does.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: "Jaws users e-mail list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:27
Subject: [Bulk] What to do about XP machines


Hello, everyone.

In a recent post, I believe Adrian said the following:

"Many listers have reported flaws in JAWS 12,
possibly because it is more directed to Windows 7 than XP. ... I still
use
XP Pro,
and the warnings on this list have convinced me to stay with JAWS 11, even
though my SMA entitles me to JAWS 12."

The timing for this comment couldn't have been better in my case.

Although this is likely to change soon as my University switches us all
completely over to Windows 7, my desktop at work is still an XP machine,
and
still has Jaws 11. The back-up PC I have at home is an XP machine, and
that
too has Jaws 11.

So, is the collective wisdom of the group to keep things as they are now
on
the XP machines, rather than installing Jaws 12 which seems to be geared
more to Windows 7?

If this is true, you guys have just saved me some head-aches with my
remaining XP computers, and I thank you sincerely for that.

I'll save my headaches for installing Jaws 12 on the new Windows 7 laptop
the University will give me this week. (smile)

Tom in Michigan


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