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Re: Freedom import Printer

Godwin Adoyi
 

Hi,
You are correct. I use it a lot, Yes its compatible with all the format you
mentioned and others. You should try them!
Godwin

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Andrew
Diederick
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 6:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Freedom import Printer

I had a question for those more experienced on this list than I am.
What types of files, contained in a PDF document, will Open Book read when
this function is used? I hear that you can choose to print, selecting the
freedom import printer option, on a PDF document if JAWS is not able to read
the PDF. For instance, if one opens a pdf document and jaws announces
"BLANK." You can then choose the Freedom import printer option to have this
PDF read inside of open book. Do I have this sequence correct? If so, what
types of image files will open book convert to text? JIF, JPEG?? and so
forth; any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much. -Andrew-

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Re: Accessible Word Prediction Software

Dave...
 

Not sure if you're wanting something like a grammar/spell checker, or
something that builds sentences from another language?

Predictive words would be interesting, but not sure I've ever heard of
something like that.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sylvia Yasa" <yasa.sylvia@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 11:20
Subject: Accessible Word Prediction Software


Hi List Members,

I have a student who has significant literacy challenges as he is from
another country. Do you know of any word prediction software that is
accessible with JAWS, as he struggles a lot with spelling and grammar.
I greatly appreciate your input!
Thanks,
Sylvia

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Re: Freedom import Printer

Dave...
 

Yes,

You can use the Freedom Import Printer (FIP) to do OCR on those blank PDF
documents.

You can also open them directly in Openbook.

And yes, you can also open those other formats you listed, and then some. As
long as there's some recognizable text in the image, it should be rendered
by Openbook.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Diederick" <andrew.diederick@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 11:06
Subject: Freedom import Printer


I had a question for those more experienced on this list than I am.
What types of files, contained in a PDF document, will Open Book read
when this function is used? I hear that you can choose to print,
selecting the freedom import printer option, on a PDF document if JAWS
is not able to read the PDF. For instance, if one opens a pdf document
and jaws announces "BLANK." You can then choose the Freedom import
printer option to have this PDF read inside of open book. Do I have
this sequence correct? If so, what types of image files will open book
convert to text? JIF, JPEG?? and so forth; any help would be greatly
appreciated. Thank you so much. -Andrew-

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Accessible Word Prediction Software

Sylvia Yasa <yasa.sylvia@...>
 

Hi List Members,

I have a student who has significant literacy challenges as he is from
another country. Do you know of any word prediction software that is
accessible with JAWS, as he struggles a lot with spelling and grammar.
I greatly appreciate your input!
Thanks,
Sylvia


Freedom import Printer

Andrew Diederick
 

I had a question for those more experienced on this list than I am.
What types of files, contained in a PDF document, will Open Book read
when this function is used? I hear that you can choose to print,
selecting the freedom import printer option, on a PDF document if JAWS
is not able to read the PDF. For instance, if one opens a pdf document
and jaws announces "BLANK." You can then choose the Freedom import
printer option to have this PDF read inside of open book. Do I have
this sequence correct? If so, what types of image files will open book
convert to text? JIF, JPEG?? and so forth; any help would be greatly
appreciated. Thank you so much. -Andrew-


Report on 14

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

After months of following threads, I got my hands on the latest and greatest late last week, and wow! It runs fine on my XP set up at home, but I'm especially impressed here at the office. We run Win, 32-bit, with Office 2010 Professional, and a handful of custom apps, most of which constitute a real torture test for JAWS, and probably any other reader. The first few hours (first afternoon and the following morning) saw several spectacular crash-and-burns, taking down every single network app, and requiring reboots. Then I remembered I had never flushed the system with a simple clean shut-down, so I did. The difference was like day and night. Ever since, the ride has been smooth and stable. We've been using The HP [EDS] Internet apps since 2007, and I have never seen JAWS perform this well. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed, but, for now, I'm overwhelmed! I need to take some time back at the house to check it with Office 2007 (with special emphasis on Excel and Access), but am expecting no trouble.

Ted

Ted Lisle, PH.D., Medicaid services Specialist; phone: (502) 564-2574, X 2054; Fax: (502) 564-2228.


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Re: web browsers & Jaws 14

Crystal French
 

Hi Adrian,
Thank you for taking the time to check this out.

I do have the Fire Fox version 20.

It does work better than Jaws in IE 10 with the pages that prove difficult.

I did see some sluggishness with Jaws in Fire Fox if I returned later to a page, but found that by clearing the browsing history that Jaws would once again work much better.

Have you ever noticed Jaws focus slipping on some web pages?

By that I mean, I will find a link, press enter on it, and Jaws brings up another link instead of what I wanted.

Crystal


From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 3:53 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: web browsers & Jaws 14

Crystal,

Like you, I'm using Win7 and JAWS 14. I don't have IE10, but I did the test anyway in IE9 and Firefox 20.

While in IE9, I followed the "Dog products" link, and JAWS verbalized nothing. For a moment, I thought my system had frozen.

I then tried to access the page with Firefox, and this time had complete success. The links list came up, and I was able to arrow up and down through it.

Firefox updated just in the past 24 hours to version 20. I'd already found it made a difference. You might check your FF version with control-insert-v and, if need be, upgrade to 20.

Still, that doesn't solve the IE problem, other than to say the page doesn't work well in IE9, as well as 10.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 3:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: web browsers & Jaws 14

Hi,
I seem to be the only one having problems with Jaws 14 and IE 10 and some web pages.
Today, I decided to install mazilla Fire Fox on my computer to see if I could use it instead of IE 10 on bothersome pages.
I am also using Windows 7, 64 bit.
The very same web pages that give me grief in IE 10 do exactly the same thing in Fire Fox.
I’m wondering now if there might be a setting in Jaws, or the browsers, that may be the problem.
Of course, that takes in a lot of territory.
Here is another web site that gives me trouble, in addition to the search results pages on eBay.
www.petproductadvisor.com
Now, I can go to the home page, no problem. I can then enter on the dog products link, and that page comes up, Jaws might even announce it, but it doesn’t work properly at all.
For example, if I try to bring up the links list, and sit back and wait, it may appear. If it does, Jaws moves very sluggishly, if it does anything.
In mazilla Fire Fox, I usually just get “no links,” “no form field,s,” “no headings.” I think you get the idea.
If anything occurs to anyone, I’ll give it a try.
Thanks,
Crystal
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ICQ and jaws

rodney jackson <jackson_mr@...>
 

I wanted to know if there are scripts for ICQ or is there a version that
will work with jaws. Right now I have the latest version of ICQ installed
rodney


Re: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Rose Combs <rosecombs@...>
 

They could be smart quotation marks which you can tun off under options on
the file menu, I think it is the format option.


Rose Combs
rosecombs@Q.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Hi, Dave.

Nothing special about these quotation marks. From what you and Ted say, you
don't experience this problem. I wonder why I do with my system?

I appreciate your other suggestions, helpful as always. But I'd prefer not
to tinker with punctuation settings or the dictionary if there's a more
specific solution.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Adrian,

I'm thinking that this is because those quotes are not the simple quotes we
usually find with other apps like Notepad, but one of those special
characters like rtm copyright, that are generated automatically by MS-Word.

My first thought is to highlight one of those quotes and use the JAWS
dictionary manager to substitute a less-offending or a blank space
character.

See if that works.

I believe the true solution is to go into the settings center in the
pronunciation section, and change the level (none, some, most, all) to a
different level. Of course I can't remember whether to reduce or increase,
but a little trial-and-error should make it work.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 09:30
Subject: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010


As a newbie to Word 2010, I'm finding an irritant when reading with "say
all." JAWS says "quote" whenever a line ends with a quotation mark. What
makes it even more distracting is that JAWS has paused after the period, so
the quote" seems to belong to the next line. Can anyone suggest how to
eliminate this gnat?



I have JAWS 14 and Win7. My punctuation is set to "some," and I'd prefer not
to switch between punctuation settings each time I stop 'say all" in order
to edit.

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Re: Windows 7 or 8, which OS to install on my PC?

Ariel
 

Hi,
I agree. If your machine supports 64 bit, you should definitely go for it. The advantage is that 64 uses more than 6 GB of ram, which will make your PC a bit fast.

On 4/13/2013 9:41 PM, Cy Selfridge wrote:
I think I would go W7, 64 bit if your computer can do it.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Apoorv
Kulkarni
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 6:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 7 or 8, which OS to install on my PC?

Hello all,

I an planning to format my PC. I was trying to decide whether to install
Windows 7-32 bit, Windows 7-64 bit, or Windows 8. What is your suggestion? I
will be using JAWS 14 and Magic 12 to operate the computer.

Regards,
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Re: Windows 7 or 8, which OS to install on my PC?

Cy Selfridge
 

I think I would go W7, 64 bit if your computer can do it.
Cy

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Apoorv
Kulkarni
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 6:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 7 or 8, which OS to install on my PC?

Hello all,

I an planning to format my PC. I was trying to decide whether to install
Windows 7-32 bit, Windows 7-64 bit, or Windows 8. What is your suggestion? I
will be using JAWS 14 and Magic 12 to operate the computer.

Regards,
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Windows 7 or 8, which OS to install on my PC?

Apoorv Kulkarni <apoorvkulkarni@...>
 

Hello all,

I an planning to format my PC. I was trying to decide whether to install Windows 7-32 bit, Windows 7-64 bit, or Windows 8. What is your suggestion? I will be using JAWS 14 and Magic 12 to operate the computer.

Regards,
Apoorv


Re: web browsers & Jaws 14

Adrian Spratt
 

Crystal,

Like you, I'm using Win7 and JAWS 14. I don't have IE10, but I did the test anyway in IE9 and Firefox 20.

While in IE9, I followed the "Dog products" link, and JAWS verbalized nothing. For a moment, I thought my system had frozen.

I then tried to access the page with Firefox, and this time had complete success. The links list came up, and I was able to arrow up and down through it.

Firefox updated just in the past 24 hours to version 20. I'd already found it made a difference. You might check your FF version with control-insert-v and, if need be, upgrade to 20.

Still, that doesn't solve the IE problem, other than to say the page doesn't work well in IE9, as well as 10.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 3:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: web browsers & Jaws 14

Hi,
I seem to be the only one having problems with Jaws 14 and IE 10 and some web pages.
Today, I decided to install mazilla Fire Fox on my computer to see if I could use it instead of IE 10 on bothersome pages.
I am also using Windows 7, 64 bit.
The very same web pages that give me grief in IE 10 do exactly the same thing in Fire Fox.
I’m wondering now if there might be a setting in Jaws, or the browsers, that may be the problem.
Of course, that takes in a lot of territory.
Here is another web site that gives me trouble, in addition to the search results pages on eBay.
www.petproductadvisor.com
Now, I can go to the home page, no problem. I can then enter on the dog products link, and that page comes up, Jaws might even announce it, but it doesn’t work properly at all.
For example, if I try to bring up the links list, and sit back and wait, it may appear. If it does, Jaws moves very sluggishly, if it does anything.
In mazilla Fire Fox, I usually just get “no links,” “no form field,s,” “no headings.” I think you get the idea.
If anything occurs to anyone, I’ll give it a try.
Thanks,
Crystal
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web browsers & Jaws 14

Crystal French
 

Hi,
I seem to be the only one having problems with Jaws 14 and IE 10 and some web pages.
Today, I decided to install mazilla Fire Fox on my computer to see if I could use it instead of IE 10 on bothersome pages.
I am also using Windows 7, 64 bit.
The very same web pages that give me grief in IE 10 do exactly the same thing in Fire Fox.
I’m wondering now if there might be a setting in Jaws, or the browsers, that may be the problem.
Of course, that takes in a lot of territory.
Here is another web site that gives me trouble, in addition to the search results pages on eBay.
www.petproductadvisor.com
Now, I can go to the home page, no problem. I can then enter on the dog products link, and that page comes up, Jaws might even announce it, but it doesn’t work properly at all.
For example, if I try to bring up the links list, and sit back and wait, it may appear. If it does, Jaws moves very sluggishly, if it does anything.
In mazilla Fire Fox, I usually just get “no links,” “no form field,s,” “no headings.” I think you get the idea.
If anything occurs to anyone, I’ll give it a try.
Thanks,
Crystal
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Re: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Dave...
 

Adrian,

I sure can't explain that, either. Unless the list grows as it encounters
new characters over time.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 14:13
Subject: RE: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010


My list shows 89 items. It happens that the U sequence in that list appears
to be in numerical order, but I didn't assume it was and went through every
one.

It makes no sense that my list, from the current release of JAWS 14,
contains half the items yours does. And yes, I'm in the list that comes up
after you press spacebar on "Customize" and tab over. I can't think what
would explain the disparity.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 5:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Adrian,

That's strange. I have several dozen U+ marks in my Customized Punctuation
List. It took me a few minutes to fall on the section where quote marks in
all their various flavors were to be found. There are 190 punctuation marks
in my list, and most are of the U+ variety. Their sequencing is not
numerical, by the way. U+201 comes after some U+2011, 2018, and 2019.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 13:32
Subject: RE: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010


Dave,

I've determined that the Unicode for MS Word's close quotation is U+201D.
Unfortunately, it doesn't show up in the JAWS list. In fact, I can find only
one quotation-related reference in the "Customize punctuation" list, and
that's the symbol " (quotation mark), without distinction to open or close.

Now my next test will be to see if changing "Say all" from "by sentence" to
something else will help.

Weird that no one else seems to be experiencing this, but I remember it from
previous versions of Word, JAWS and computers. One of the reasons I have
such a prejudice against it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:50 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Adrian,

Yes, default would be necessary, and I found the list of various punctuation

controls under "Customize punctuation". This allows fine-tuning of
individual symbols and their level of speaking.

Is this where you went to make the adjustment?

In that list, there are a whole bunch of symbols with a U+ nomenclature. Try

looking at U+201 and you should find various types of quotes, which you can
also tinker with.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:35
Subject: RE: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010


This is getting stranger. I've tried both methods, in their several
varieties, and none works.

No matter what level of punctuation I set, the closing quote is verbalized
if it ends a line. "all" reads everything, of course, but it's read even in
"None." "None" has the additional disadvantage that JAWS no longer pauses at
commas and periods.

Note that you can set punctuation levels only in global, not
application-specific, settings.

Even more mysteriously, when I add this particular quotation mark, which I
copy from the text into my JAWS dictionary, and replace it with a space,
JAWS continues to verbalize it in "say all."

Can anyone surmise what's going on?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

You could also change the setting for word alone, if that's the only app
that bothers you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Adrian,

I'm thinking that this is because those quotes are not the simple quotes we
usually find with other apps like Notepad, but one of those special
characters like rtm copyright, that are generated automatically by MS-Word.

My first thought is to highlight one of those quotes and use the JAWS
dictionary manager to substitute a less-offending or a blank space
character.

See if that works.

I believe the true solution is to go into the settings center in the
pronunciation section, and change the level (none, some, most, all) to a
different level. Of course I can't remember whether to reduce or increase,
but a little trial-and-error should make it work.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 09:30
Subject: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010


As a newbie to Word 2010, I'm finding an irritant when reading with "say
all." JAWS says "quote" whenever a line ends with a quotation mark. What
makes it even more distracting is that JAWS has paused after the period, so
the quote" seems to belong to the next line. Can anyone suggest how to
eliminate this gnat?



I have JAWS 14 and Win7. My punctuation is set to "some," and I'd prefer not
to switch between punctuation settings each time I stop 'say all" in order
to edit.

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Re: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Adrian Spratt
 

Thanks, Mike, but this isn't the answer. I've been playing with that setting
for other reasons in recent days. By the way, that key combo apparently
stopped working in MS Word 10. Fortunately, Ann Byrne posted that you need
to press alt-h, then 8, which I can confirm does the same thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 5:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Hi Adrian,

Can it possibly be a formatting issue? To turn / off the showing of
formatting characters keystroke is; Shift, Control, + 8, on the number
row.
HTH

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010


I just changed "Say all" from reading by sentence to reading by line without
pauses. It got rid of the closing quotation annoyance. A workaround, not a
solution.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 4:36 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Yes, that's a problem, too, which I've raised over the years with FS. But
here I'm talking about a standard double apostrophe-like closing quote. Dave
is on to something when he speculates that it may be a special MS code. I'm
pretty sure it's one of MS's so-called "smart" quotes. Too smart for me,
that's for sure.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 4:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Just thought of something. Is this a single quote? I've seen that problem,
and not just in Word.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

As a newbie to Word 2010, I'm finding an irritant when reading with "say
all." JAWS says "quote" whenever a line ends with a quotation mark. What
makes it even more distracting is that JAWS has paused after the period, so
the quote" seems to belong to the next line. Can anyone suggest how to
eliminate this gnat?



I have JAWS 14 and Win7. My punctuation is set to "some," and I'd prefer not
to switch between punctuation settings each time I stop 'say all" in order
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Re: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Adrian Spratt
 

My list shows 89 items. It happens that the U sequence in that list appears
to be in numerical order, but I didn't assume it was and went through every
one.

It makes no sense that my list, from the current release of JAWS 14,
contains half the items yours does. And yes, I'm in the list that comes up
after you press spacebar on "Customize" and tab over. I can't think what
would explain the disparity.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 5:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Adrian,

That's strange. I have several dozen U+ marks in my Customized Punctuation
List. It took me a few minutes to fall on the section where quote marks in
all their various flavors were to be found. There are 190 punctuation marks
in my list, and most are of the U+ variety. Their sequencing is not
numerical, by the way. U+201 comes after some U+2011, 2018, and 2019.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 13:32
Subject: RE: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010


Dave,

I've determined that the Unicode for MS Word's close quotation is U+201D.
Unfortunately, it doesn't show up in the JAWS list. In fact, I can find only
one quotation-related reference in the "Customize punctuation" list, and
that's the symbol " (quotation mark), without distinction to open or close.

Now my next test will be to see if changing "Say all" from "by sentence" to
something else will help.

Weird that no one else seems to be experiencing this, but I remember it from
previous versions of Word, JAWS and computers. One of the reasons I have
such a prejudice against it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:50 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Adrian,

Yes, default would be necessary, and I found the list of various punctuation

controls under "Customize punctuation". This allows fine-tuning of
individual symbols and their level of speaking.

Is this where you went to make the adjustment?

In that list, there are a whole bunch of symbols with a U+ nomenclature. Try

looking at U+201 and you should find various types of quotes, which you can
also tinker with.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:35
Subject: RE: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010


This is getting stranger. I've tried both methods, in their several
varieties, and none works.

No matter what level of punctuation I set, the closing quote is verbalized
if it ends a line. "all" reads everything, of course, but it's read even in
"None." "None" has the additional disadvantage that JAWS no longer pauses at
commas and periods.

Note that you can set punctuation levels only in global, not
application-specific, settings.

Even more mysteriously, when I add this particular quotation mark, which I
copy from the text into my JAWS dictionary, and replace it with a space,
JAWS continues to verbalize it in "say all."

Can anyone surmise what's going on?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

You could also change the setting for word alone, if that's the only app
that bothers you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Adrian,

I'm thinking that this is because those quotes are not the simple quotes we
usually find with other apps like Notepad, but one of those special
characters like rtm copyright, that are generated automatically by MS-Word.

My first thought is to highlight one of those quotes and use the JAWS
dictionary manager to substitute a less-offending or a blank space
character.

See if that works.

I believe the true solution is to go into the settings center in the
pronunciation section, and change the level (none, some, most, all) to a
different level. Of course I can't remember whether to reduce or increase,
but a little trial-and-error should make it work.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 09:30
Subject: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010


As a newbie to Word 2010, I'm finding an irritant when reading with "say
all." JAWS says "quote" whenever a line ends with a quotation mark. What
makes it even more distracting is that JAWS has paused after the period, so
the quote" seems to belong to the next line. Can anyone suggest how to
eliminate this gnat?



I have JAWS 14 and Win7. My punctuation is set to "some," and I'd prefer not
to switch between punctuation settings each time I stop 'say all" in order
to edit.

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Re: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Dave...
 

Adrian,

That's strange. I have several dozen U+ marks in my Customized Punctuation
List. It took me a few minutes to fall on the section where quote marks in
all their various flavors were to be found. There are 190 punctuation marks
in my list, and most are of the U+ variety. Their sequencing is not
numerical, by the way. U+201 comes after some U+2011, 2018, and 2019.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 13:32
Subject: RE: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010


Dave,

I've determined that the Unicode for MS Word's close quotation is U+201D.
Unfortunately, it doesn't show up in the JAWS list. In fact, I can find only
one quotation-related reference in the "Customize punctuation" list, and
that's the symbol " (quotation mark), without distinction to open or close.

Now my next test will be to see if changing "Say all" from "by sentence" to
something else will help.

Weird that no one else seems to be experiencing this, but I remember it from
previous versions of Word, JAWS and computers. One of the reasons I have
such a prejudice against it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:50 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Adrian,

Yes, default would be necessary, and I found the list of various punctuation

controls under "Customize punctuation". This allows fine-tuning of
individual symbols and their level of speaking.

Is this where you went to make the adjustment?

In that list, there are a whole bunch of symbols with a U+ nomenclature. Try

looking at U+201 and you should find various types of quotes, which you can
also tinker with.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:35
Subject: RE: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010


This is getting stranger. I've tried both methods, in their several
varieties, and none works.

No matter what level of punctuation I set, the closing quote is verbalized
if it ends a line. "all" reads everything, of course, but it's read even in
"None." "None" has the additional disadvantage that JAWS no longer pauses at
commas and periods.

Note that you can set punctuation levels only in global, not
application-specific, settings.

Even more mysteriously, when I add this particular quotation mark, which I
copy from the text into my JAWS dictionary, and replace it with a space,
JAWS continues to verbalize it in "say all."

Can anyone surmise what's going on?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

You could also change the setting for word alone, if that's the only app
that bothers you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Adrian,

I'm thinking that this is because those quotes are not the simple quotes we
usually find with other apps like Notepad, but one of those special
characters like rtm copyright, that are generated automatically by MS-Word.

My first thought is to highlight one of those quotes and use the JAWS
dictionary manager to substitute a less-offending or a blank space
character.

See if that works.

I believe the true solution is to go into the settings center in the
pronunciation section, and change the level (none, some, most, all) to a
different level. Of course I can't remember whether to reduce or increase,
but a little trial-and-error should make it work.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 09:30
Subject: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010


As a newbie to Word 2010, I'm finding an irritant when reading with "say
all." JAWS says "quote" whenever a line ends with a quotation mark. What
makes it even more distracting is that JAWS has paused after the period, so
the quote" seems to belong to the next line. Can anyone suggest how to
eliminate this gnat?



I have JAWS 14 and Win7. My punctuation is set to "some," and I'd prefer not
to switch between punctuation settings each time I stop 'say all" in order
to edit.

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Re: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Adrian,

Can it possibly be a formatting issue? To turn / off the showing of
formatting characters keystroke is; Shift, Control, + 8, on the number
row.
HTH

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010


I just changed "Say all" from reading by sentence to reading by line without
pauses. It got rid of the closing quotation annoyance. A workaround, not a
solution.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 4:36 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Yes, that's a problem, too, which I've raised over the years with FS. But
here I'm talking about a standard double apostrophe-like closing quote. Dave
is on to something when he speculates that it may be a special MS code. I'm
pretty sure it's one of MS's so-called "smart" quotes. Too smart for me,
that's for sure.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 4:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

Just thought of something. Is this a single quote? I've seen that problem,
and not just in Word.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: "Quote" verbalized in "say all" in Word 2010

As a newbie to Word 2010, I'm finding an irritant when reading with "say
all." JAWS says "quote" whenever a line ends with a quotation mark. What
makes it even more distracting is that JAWS has paused after the period, so
the quote" seems to belong to the next line. Can anyone suggest how to
eliminate this gnat?



I have JAWS 14 and Win7. My punctuation is set to "some," and I'd prefer not
to switch between punctuation settings each time I stop 'say all" in order
to edit.

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Re: issues with the control key being activated while I'm typing

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi dave,

Back to my iLazyboy? What makes you think I left it?! LOL, hahaha hahaha
hahaha, LOL
Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Farfar Carlson
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: issues with the control key being activated while I'm typing


Mike,

Very nice. You've solved the question eloquently. Now back to your iLazyBoy.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike W7 B." <mwb5781@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:30
Subject: Re: issues with the control key being activated while I'm typing


Hi Brian,

Below are steps to turn off the accessibility items for both XP & Win7.
Try the following:

Turning Off Accessibility Items InWindows7:

1. Go to the control panel & press enter on the Ease of Access Center link.
2. Tab many times to the , Make the keyboard easier to use link, & press
enter.
3. Tab through all the options & uncheck the pertinant checkboxes.
4. Tab to apply, press the spacebar / enter, tab to okay & press enter to
save changes & close.
5. Press Alt + F4 to close the Ease of Access Center.

For XP:

1. Open the control panel, select Accessibility Options, & press enter.
2. You should be on the Keyboard page so, tab through the options & uncheck
the necessary checkboxes.
3. Tab to apply, press the spacebar / enter, tab to okay & press enter to
save changes & close.
4. Press Alt + F4 to close the control panel.

HTH

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my ILazyBoy.

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Varner
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: issues with the control key being activated while I'm typing


How does one deactivate the sticky keys?


On 4/10/13, Dave Durber <d.durber@...> wrote:
Adrian:

Don't forget, pressing either shift key five times rapidly or holding
either

shift key down for five seconds, will activate the "Sticky Keys" menu.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: issues with the control key being activated while I'm typing


If I remember correctly, Dave Carlson recommends pressing the control key
repeatedly to unstick it. While you're at it, you might do the same with
the
shift key. Obviously, make sure you have nothing open that could be
affected
by such actions.

It's been a long time since I experienced this problem. When I did, my
solution was to reboot. Dave's solution is much superior.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dacia Luck
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:15 AM
To: jfw
Subject: issues with the control key being activated while I'm typing

Hi,

Sometimes while I'm typing for some reason, my control key gets
activated and that can mess up what I'm typing. I haven't pushed the
control key anytime recently usually when it happens. I'm using a
laptop with windows 7 and JAWS 13. Any suggestions would be great.
dacia

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