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IE10 to be installed in Win7 systems

Adrian Spratt
 

A fellow lister has just alerted me to this development. Here's a link to
the Kim Komando article on the subject, followed by the text of my query to
FS tech support.



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/



I've just learned that IE10 will be automatically downloaded to Win7
systems. I know it is already incorporated into Win8. Even so, is it fully
accessible? Or should I block the MS automatic updates download of this
browser upgrade?



Does FS have a help item on IE10 that is available to JAWS 14/Win7 users?



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Re: Microsoft Outlook

Adrian Spratt
 

Good idea, Dave. Angie, I've just located the option in Outlook 10. Try this
keystroke sequence:

Alt-f
t for options
a for advanced
Alt-e for the empty delete items on exiting Outlook checkbox

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 8:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Microsoft Outlook

Angie,

Better check your settings. Sounds like you have a feature checked that will

empty your deleted items automatically when you close Outlook. I don't have
Outlook 10 so cannot tell you exactly where to look.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: <ahiser5@bex.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 04:20
Subject: Microsoft Outlook


Hi,

I am using Jaws 14, Windows 8, with Outlook 10. For some reason I cannot
seem to find my deleted messages. I am going crazy looking for them. Can
someone please help me. My deleted box is empty.

Thanks,

Angie

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Re: Say all problem

Dave...
 

Caroline.

Settings Center
Type say all
Arrow down and you will see "say all reads with pauses, line at a time"
press space bar until it says without pauses line at a time
Press Enter twice to save


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karoline Bourdeau" <karoline.bourdeau@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 05:37
Subject: Say all problem



Hi

Yes. I cannot get it to read by insert down or Jaws down.
It only does 1 line at a time. Thanks for all help.

Karoline Bourdeau
www.thankingplace.wordpress.com

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: How to navigate MS Security Essentials (tcivi31)
2. Re: Synthesiser Number Processing (Mike B.)
3. Re: How to navigate MS Security Essentials (Mike B.)
4. Re: repairing hard disk errors (Dave Durber)
5. RE: where do I find add or remove programs? (Artur R?pp)
6. Say All trouble (Karoline Bourdeau)
7. RE: Say All trouble (Kimsan)
8. RE: Youtube and skipping adds? (Kimsan)
9. Re: Say All trouble (Gary King)
10. RE: repairing hard disk errors (Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS))
11. Audible.com site with Jaws (Kimber Gardner)
12. RE: Audible.com site with Jaws (Adrian Spratt)
13. RE: How to navigate MS Security Essentials (Adrian Spratt)
14. RE: repairing hard disk errors (Doris and Chris)
15. Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms (Lisa Larges)
16. RE: repairing hard disk errors (Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS))
17. Re: Audible.com site with Jaws (Gary King)
18. RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
(Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS))
19. Re: repairing hard disk errors (Howard Traxler)
20. Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms (Farfar Carlson)
21. Re: Audible.com site with Jaws (Kimber Gardner)
22. RE: Audible.com site with Jaws (Adrian Spratt)
23. RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms (Ann Byrne)
24. RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms (Dani L Pagador)
25. Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms (Farfar Carlson)
26. RE: repairing hard disk errors (Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS))
27. RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
(Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS))
28. Re: Audible.com site with Jaws (Gary King)
29. RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
(Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS))
30. RE: Audible.com site with Jaws (Adrian Spratt)
31. Re: Audible.com site with Jaws (Gary King)
32. RE: Audible.com site with Jaws (Bissett, Tom)
33. RE: Audible.com site with Jaws (Adrian Spratt)
34. Re: Audible.com site with Jaws (Gary King)
35. strange happening (Kevin Lee)
36. Re: strange happening (Farfar Carlson)
37. RE: Audible.com site with Jaws (Drew Hunthausen)
38. Info on a new program... (Patrick L. Steggall)
39. Re: Audible.com site with Jaws (Gary King)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 09:41:26 -0800
From: "tcivi31" <tcivi31@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: How to navigate MS Security Essentials
Message-ID: <3BF1B21BE9BE4BD0858146BE70B1F30F@tomPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

Sometimes it mean that the virus definition file has not been updated
recently. Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian D. Nichols" <inich@rogers.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: How to navigate MS Security Essentials


Hi Adrian,

In my experience, the message in the system tray "potentially unprotected"
means that Microsoft Security Essentials has not scan the system for a
while

Press enter on this item and a dialog appears from which you can choose
the type of scan and start scanning. When the scan is done, the message
in the system tray returns to "Protected".

HTH.

Ian

Ian D. Nichols,
Toronto, Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: [Bulk] How to navigate MS Security Essentials

Hi.

This morning I noticed that MS Security Essentials was advising me in the
systems tray that my status was "potentially unprotected."

I clicked on the icon and went through the various options, but none of
them
told me the cause of the problem. I rebooted. This time when I opened the
antivirus program, one of three options appeared to offer a solution.
(I've
forgotten the wording.) I clicked on that option and noticed a button
labeled "Details." However, before I could press enter on it, the
application told me I'd taken the necessary action and my status was again
protected.



Naturally, I'm glad protected status is restored. However, I wish I knew
what the problem had been. More fundamentally, I wish I could navigate
Security Essentials more comfortably.



Any suggestions?

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:37:58 -0800
From: "Mike B." <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Synthesiser Number Processing
Message-ID: <523591AC381046429F45353C2740C556@mikexp>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi Darran,

Try the following:
1. Go into the Settings Center with , Insert + 6, on the number row above
the main keyboard & then, control, shift, + D, for the default all
applications.
2. Arrow down to, Text Processing, & press right arrow to open.
3. Arrow down to, Number & Date Processing, & right arrow to open.
4. Arrow down to, Number Processing, controlled by synthesizer, & press the
spacebar to toggle your way through the options. Keep pressing the spacebar

until you hear Jaws report the setting you want. You can also press the, F6

key, & there will be a list box you can up or down arrow to your choice.
5. After you've made your selection tab to apply, press the spacebar, tab to

okay, press the spacebar to save your changes & close the Settings Center.

HTH
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Darran Ross
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:54 AM
Subject: Synthesiser Number Processing


Hi List.

I'm trying to find whereabouts in the synthesiser settings I go to have a
look at what is set for the default in regard to number processing. When I
bring up numerical processing in the settings centre, I see that controlled
by the synthesiser is an option, but I can't for the life of me find the
appropriate area in JAWS to alter this!

I don't think I've explained myself very well here, but if anyone thinks
they've got the gist of it, I'd appreciate some guidance.

Many thanks.

Darran
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:46:31 -0800
From: "Mike B." <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: How to navigate MS Security Essentials
Message-ID: <270922227F264D478522A1BA4A959030@mikexp>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi Adrian,

Check your optional updates link in Windows Updates. I find updates for
MSSE in there as well. HTH
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:34 AM
Subject: How to navigate MS Security Essentials


Hi.



This morning I noticed that MS Security Essentials was advising me in the
systems tray that my status was "potentially unprotected."



I clicked on the icon and went through the various options, but none of them
told me the cause of the problem. I rebooted. This time when I opened the
antivirus program, one of three options appeared to offer a solution. (I've
forgotten the wording.) I clicked on that option and noticed a button
labeled "Details." However, before I could press enter on it, the
application told me I'd taken the necessary action and my status was again
protected.



Naturally, I'm glad protected status is restored. However, I wish I knew
what the problem had been. More fundamentally, I wish I could navigate
Security Essentials more comfortably.



Any suggestions?

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 15:33:06 -0500
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: repairing hard disk errors
Message-ID: <AD23C141C7D24EBF9AF5EA6D4D22C652@dave>
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reply-type=original

Abby:

Try:

chkdsk [drivename]: /r

If this is run on the system drive, you will need to confirm that you want
chkdsk to run, the next time the system starts.

Depending on the size of the drive on which you perform chkdsk with the /r
switch, be prepared to wait for some considerable time for the program to do

its work.

Last week, I performed a chkdsk /r command on a 1TB drive, it took several
hours for chkdsk to complete the task.

The fact that chkdsk provides no reports in a file you can access,
especially if you run chkdsk on the system drive, is one of the main reasons

I do not like using this program to check my storage media.

Has anyone come across an alternative program to chkdsk or, is anyone using
an alternative program they are using, which is accessible using a
screen-reader they can recommend?

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Abby Vincent" <aevincent@ca.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:40 PM
Subject: repairing hard disk errors


My computer seems to be running OK. However, I keep getting a message
that
says Windows has detected a hard disk error. I am running carbonite, so
that should take care of backup.



The one program I know about is chkdsk/f. I had to run it as part of my
boot up. It doesn't give me a report. I just end up where I usually do,
and I'm still getting the same error message.



Does anyone know of a program I can use to try to find and correct
whatever
problem, if any, I have? The famous Norton Disk Doctor is no more, and
there's a plethora of freeware.



Abby

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:38:09 +0000
From: Artur R?pp <artur1248@hotmail.com>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: where do I find add or remove programs?
Message-ID: <DUB405-EAS46B5B0EA112D3F8A8B8E83A0F90@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi,



Press win+x and choose first options from this list.



HTH

Artur



Sent from Windows 8


Saatja: Lauren
Saadetud: ?1?. ?m?rts? ?2013 ?8?:?11
Adressaat: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Teema: where do I find add or remove programs?



I can't seem to find add or remove programs in the control panel with
windows 8 and Jaws 14. Does anyone know where it is?



Sincerely,

Lauren



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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:15:56 -0500
From: "Karoline Bourdeau" <karoline.bourdeau@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Say All trouble
Message-ID: <006601ce187e$350f63b0$9f2e2b10$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"





Hi

I am having trouble getting JAWS to say all. I am using windows 7, JAWS 14
and MS Word 2010. I have the default to all



It only reads line by line. I used to be able to read a whole page with JAWS
13. Thoughts?



Karoline Bourdeau

www.thankingplace.wordpress.com



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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 19:26:49 -0800
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Say All trouble
Message-ID: <00b801ce1888$1bf19880$53d4c980$@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

What happens when you set it to none?


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@aol.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Karoline
Bourdeau
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 6:16 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Say All trouble





Hi

I am having trouble getting JAWS to say all. I am using windows 7, JAWS 14
and MS Word 2010. I have the default to all



It only reads line by line. I used to be able to read a whole page with JAWS
13. Thoughts?



Karoline Bourdeau

www.thankingplace.wordpress.com



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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 19:44:08 -0800
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Youtube and skipping adds?
Message-ID: <00c701ce188a$8776daf0$966490d0$@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I was wondering, and I am asking because I don't use it but does the
accessible youtube have ads?


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@aol.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:35 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Youtube and skipping adds?

This isn't a JAWS key, but an MS command. Your JAWS version shouldn't
matter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 6:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Youtube and skipping adds?

Hi, i'd like to know if the same thing would work with earlier versions of
jaws like jaws 11 and ie version 8? Thank you for any information that you
might have.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: Youtube and skipping ads


Press F5 for reload page. I just tested it before posting on a Youtube
page that has always brought up an ad. The first time I pressed F5 it
interrupted the ad but brought up a second one. I pressed F5 a second
time, the ad stopped and the song began. Then I closed out the webpage
and linked back into it. This time no ad at all; just the song.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Holdstock
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Youtube and skipping ads

Hi, does anyone know how to skip ads on YouTube. Sighted people tell
me you can do it but I can't find a button which lets me do it. I'm
using JAWS 14 and Windows 8 with IE 10 or Firefox.

Thanks

Peter


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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 23:35:09 -0600
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Say All trouble
Message-ID: <FC03ACB3924247CBAFEE4A1D48769C69@Gary0>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Karoline,
Are you saying that you can't use Insert Down-Arrow, or JAWS Key Down-Arrow
if you prefer, to read a page continuously in MS Word?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karoline Bourdeau" <karoline.bourdeau@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 8:15 PM
Subject: Say All trouble






Hi

I am having trouble getting JAWS to say all. I am using windows 7, JAWS 14
and MS Word 2010. I have the default to all



It only reads line by line. I used to be able to read a whole page with
JAWS
13. Thoughts?



Karoline Bourdeau

www.thankingplace.wordpress.com



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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:56:12 +0000
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors
Message-ID:
<303A3C13AD1F8A44A1AC9C3D7367EDB504A31F@AGEXM05.eas.ds.ky.gov>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Is Scandisk still around? It largely superseded CHKDSK back around 95 or 98,
I believe. I've been meaning to look at that myself.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: repairing hard disk errors

Abby:

Try:

chkdsk [drivename]: /r

If this is run on the system drive, you will need to confirm that you want
chkdsk to run, the next time the system starts.

Depending on the size of the drive on which you perform chkdsk with the /r
switch, be prepared to wait for some considerable time for the program to do
its work.

Last week, I performed a chkdsk /r command on a 1TB drive, it took several
hours for chkdsk to complete the task.

The fact that chkdsk provides no reports in a file you can access,
especially if you run chkdsk on the system drive, is one of the main reasons
I do not like using this program to check my storage media.

Has anyone come across an alternative program to chkdsk or, is anyone using
an alternative program they are using, which is accessible using a
screen-reader they can recommend?

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Abby Vincent" <aevincent@ca.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:40 PM
Subject: repairing hard disk errors


My computer seems to be running OK. However, I keep getting a message
that
says Windows has detected a hard disk error. I am running carbonite, so
that should take care of backup.



The one program I know about is chkdsk/f. I had to run it as part of my
boot up. It doesn't give me a report. I just end up where I usually do,
and I'm still getting the same error message.



Does anyone know of a program I can use to try to find and correct
whatever
problem, if any, I have? The famous Norton Disk Doctor is no more, and
there's a plethora of freeware.



Abby

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:42:23 -0500
From: Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws
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Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim



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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:55:22 -0500
From: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws
Message-ID: <012101ce18df$ed1a71f0$c74f55d0$@AdrianSpratt.com>
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Hi. The so-called accessible version is less inclusive. Which features are
you missing? I find the regular site completely accessible. With my new
computer and possibly also thanks to IE9, I can also move around it very
quickly, which didn't used to be true. I'm finding many website problems I
had with IE8 are solved with IE9. Some websites say explicitly that IE8 no
longer works properly on them. I don't know if this is the case with
Audible.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws

Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:58:20 -0500
From: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: How to navigate MS Security Essentials
Message-ID: <012201ce18e0$5731b760$05952620$@AdrianSpratt.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Ian,

Thank you for answering my navigation query, and thanks to you, Tom and Mike
for possible explanations of the behavior I encountered. I still find
navigation of Security Essentials baffling, but I'll keep all this in mind.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ian D. Nichols
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: How to navigate MS Security Essentials

Hi Adrian,

In my experience, the message in the system tray "potentially unprotected"
means that Microsoft Security Essentials has not scan the system for a while

Press enter on this item and a dialog appears from which you can choose the
type of scan and start scanning. When the scan is done, the message in the
system tray returns to "Protected".

HTH.

Ian

Ian D. Nichols,
Toronto, Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: [Bulk] How to navigate MS Security Essentials

Hi.

This morning I noticed that MS Security Essentials was advising me in the
systems tray that my status was "potentially unprotected."

I clicked on the icon and went through the various options, but none of them
told me the cause of the problem. I rebooted. This time when I opened the
antivirus program, one of three options appeared to offer a solution. (I've
forgotten the wording.) I clicked on that option and noticed a button
labeled "Details." However, before I could press enter on it, the
application told me I'd taken the necessary action and my status was again
protected.



Naturally, I'm glad protected status is restored. However, I wish I knew
what the problem had been. More fundamentally, I wish I could navigate
Security Essentials more comfortably.



Any suggestions?

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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 09:39:36 -0500
From: Doris and Chris <chipmunks@gmx.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors
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And you are back to it. Run

chkdsk /f /r

from a command prompt.

hth

Doris

At 12:56 PM 3/4/2013 +0000, you wrote:
Is Scandisk still around? It largely superseded CHKDSK back around
95 or 98, I believe. I've been meaning to look at that myself.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: repairing hard disk errors

Abby:

Try:

chkdsk [drivename]: /r

If this is run on the system drive, you will need to confirm that
you want chkdsk to run, the next time the system starts.

Depending on the size of the drive on which you perform chkdsk with
the /r switch, be prepared to wait for some considerable time for
the program to do its work.

Last week, I performed a chkdsk /r command on a 1TB drive, it took
several hours for chkdsk to complete the task.

The fact that chkdsk provides no reports in a file you can access,
especially if you run chkdsk on the system drive, is one of the main
reasons I do not like using this program to check my storage media.

Has anyone come across an alternative program to chkdsk or, is
anyone using an alternative program they are using, which is
accessible using a screen-reader they can recommend?

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Abby Vincent" <aevincent@ca.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:40 PM
Subject: repairing hard disk errors


My computer seems to be running OK. However, I keep getting a message
that
says Windows has detected a hard disk error. I am running carbonite, so
that should take care of backup.



The one program I know about is chkdsk/f. I had to run it as part of my
boot up. It doesn't give me a report. I just end up where I usually
do,
and I'm still getting the same error message.



Does anyone know of a program I can use to try to find and correct
whatever
problem, if any, I have? The famous Norton Disk Doctor is no more, and
there's a plethora of freeware.



Abby

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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:11:05 -0600
From: "Lisa Larges" <llarges@tamfs.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
Message-ID: <0ad501ce18f2$e0465120$a0d2f360$@tamfs.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by inserting
underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I usually
just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:16:48 +0000
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors
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I'm still living in XP at home but will see what I can find. If there are
old lost clusters hanging around, I want rid of them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Doris and
Chris
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors

And you are back to it. Run

chkdsk /f /r

from a command prompt.

hth

Doris

At 12:56 PM 3/4/2013 +0000, you wrote:
Is Scandisk still around? It largely superseded CHKDSK back around
95 or 98, I believe. I've been meaning to look at that myself.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: repairing hard disk errors

Abby:

Try:

chkdsk [drivename]: /r

If this is run on the system drive, you will need to confirm that you
want chkdsk to run, the next time the system starts.

Depending on the size of the drive on which you perform chkdsk with the
/r switch, be prepared to wait for some considerable time for the
program to do its work.

Last week, I performed a chkdsk /r command on a 1TB drive, it took
several hours for chkdsk to complete the task.

The fact that chkdsk provides no reports in a file you can access,
especially if you run chkdsk on the system drive, is one of the main
reasons I do not like using this program to check my storage media.

Has anyone come across an alternative program to chkdsk or, is anyone
using an alternative program they are using, which is accessible using
a screen-reader they can recommend?

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Abby Vincent" <aevincent@ca.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:40 PM
Subject: repairing hard disk errors


My computer seems to be running OK. However, I keep getting a
message that says Windows has detected a hard disk error. I am
running carbonite, so that should take care of backup.



The one program I know about is chkdsk/f. I had to run it as part
of my boot up. It doesn't give me a report. I just end up where I
usually do, and I'm still getting the same error message.



Does anyone know of a program I can use to try to find and correct
whatever problem, if any, I have? The famous Norton Disk Doctor is
no more, and there's a plethora of freeware.



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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:58:41 -0600
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws
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Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just be
a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the way,
the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it has a
submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either by
pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because it
doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content are
you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 17:19:11 +0000
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Try overtype mode. JAWS-3 allows the next keystroke to pass through to the
application. Hit JAWS-F3, then the regular Ins key. This should take the
program into overtype mode.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Larges
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 11:11 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by inserting
underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I usually
just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:51:44 -0600
From: "Howard Traxler" <howard@traxlerenterprises.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: repairing hard disk errors
Message-ID: <E8E411E5C2354904896841A99AD42277@HOWARD>
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Some may be too young or new to remember: CHKDSK was here before SCANDISK.
We used it under DOS back in the 80's. Lately under some windows versions,
when trying to run scandisk I get a message about "instead of scandisk try
chkdsk as it can repair more types of errors" or something similar. I've
never had much luck with either one.
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors


I'm still living in XP at home but will see what I can find. If there are
old lost clusters hanging around, I want rid of them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Doris and
Chris
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors

And you are back to it. Run

chkdsk /f /r

from a command prompt.

hth

Doris

At 12:56 PM 3/4/2013 +0000, you wrote:
Is Scandisk still around? It largely superseded CHKDSK back around
95 or 98, I believe. I've been meaning to look at that myself.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: repairing hard disk errors

Abby:

Try:

chkdsk [drivename]: /r

If this is run on the system drive, you will need to confirm that you
want chkdsk to run, the next time the system starts.

Depending on the size of the drive on which you perform chkdsk with the
/r switch, be prepared to wait for some considerable time for the
program to do its work.

Last week, I performed a chkdsk /r command on a 1TB drive, it took
several hours for chkdsk to complete the task.

The fact that chkdsk provides no reports in a file you can access,
especially if you run chkdsk on the system drive, is one of the main
reasons I do not like using this program to check my storage media.

Has anyone come across an alternative program to chkdsk or, is anyone
using an alternative program they are using, which is accessible using
a screen-reader they can recommend?

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Abby Vincent" <aevincent@ca.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:40 PM
Subject: repairing hard disk errors


My computer seems to be running OK. However, I keep getting a
message that says Windows has detected a hard disk error. I am
running carbonite, so that should take care of backup.



The one program I know about is chkdsk/f. I had to run it as part
of my boot up. It doesn't give me a report. I just end up where I
usually do, and I'm still getting the same error message.



Does anyone know of a program I can use to try to find and correct
whatever problem, if any, I have? The famous Norton Disk Doctor is
no more, and there's a plethora of freeware.



Abby

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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:00:05 -0800
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
Message-ID: <56518CAC6F7B40209563C3903AF6DC93@symmetricom.com>
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Lisa,

In addition to Ted's tip, which does allow you to overtype, if you want the
result to be underlined, then you need to go back and highlight what you
typed, and press Ctrl+U.

Don't forget to go back to insert mode when you're done.

Also I think there's a keyboard shortcut for toggling the insert mode.
Perhaps try the JAWS+H to see if it comes up there.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 08:11
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms


Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by inserting
underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I usually
just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:10:56 -0500
From: Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws
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I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:38:53 -0500
From: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws
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That search capability exists on the regular website, one reason I returned
to it.

Again, the regular Audible website is completely accessible. I wish we
weren't encouraging Audible to put more resources into its so-called
accessible website so that perhaps they might be receptive to certain
changes on the regular website. For example, it would make navigation
slightly more helpful if they'd incorporate some quick navigation clues,
such as a graphic preceding "Publisher" and "Publisher's Summary," headings
I use a lot. But JAWS handles those things nicely anyway, between heading
numbers, placemarkers, etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 13:02:02 -0600
From: Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
Message-ID: <398299.51317.bm@smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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Alt+control++i toggles between over-type and insert modes.
At 11:19 AM 3/4/2013, you wrote:
Try overtype mode. JAWS-3 allows the next keystroke to pass through
to the application. Hit JAWS-F3, then the regular Ins key. This
should take the program into overtype mode.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Larges
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 11:11 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by inserting
underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the
underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I usually
just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 09:03:37 -1000
From: "Dani L Pagador" <axs.brl@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
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Hi, Dave and Lisa.
Alt+Ctrl+I will toggle between Insert and Overwrite.
Is the number of underlines used in the space equal to how many characters
can be typed there? I've always wondered that.
HTH,
Dani

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Lisa,

In addition to Ted's tip, which does allow you to overtype, if you want the
result to be underlined, then you need to go back and highlight what you
typed, and press Ctrl+U.

Don't forget to go back to insert mode when you're done.

Also I think there's a keyboard shortcut for toggling the insert mode.
Perhaps try the JAWS+H to see if it comes up there.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 08:11
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms


Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by inserting
underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I usually
just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:10:16 -0800
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
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Dani,

Likely not. The number of underscore characters are usually just put there
to make the form visually-balanced. Of course more are placed there for a
full name than for a postal code. And the underscore is a fixed-width
character and pretty wide, I'm thinking, whereas the typical font used
(Times Roman) is proportionally-spaced and sized, so a one-to-one result
will not occur in the printed or WYSIWYG presentation.

I usually type what I need, select the underscores, hit delete, and add one
blank space.

Again if an underline effect is desired, then go back and use the underline
attribute (Ctrl+u).

But in general, I probably butcher most forms when I fill them out,
especially if there are more than one label/blank on each line of the page.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dani L Pagador" <axs.brl@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 11:03
Subject: RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms


Hi, Dave and Lisa.
Alt+Ctrl+I will toggle between Insert and Overwrite.
Is the number of underlines used in the space equal to how many characters
can be typed there? I've always wondered that.
HTH,
Dani

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Lisa,

In addition to Ted's tip, which does allow you to overtype, if you want the
result to be underlined, then you need to go back and highlight what you
typed, and press Ctrl+U.

Don't forget to go back to insert mode when you're done.

Also I think there's a keyboard shortcut for toggling the insert mode.
Perhaps try the JAWS+H to see if it comes up there.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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From: "Lisa Larges" <llarges@tamfs.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 08:11
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms


Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by inserting
underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I usually
just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 19:44:03 +0000
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors
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Trust me; I used 'em both. I used to have so many crashes with DisplayWrite
3 I'd clean clusters several times a day, until a geek friend showed me how
to stabilize the program to work with VOS. I had a vector conflict; how's
that for a moldy oldie!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:52 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: repairing hard disk errors

Some may be too young or new to remember: CHKDSK was here before SCANDISK.
We used it under DOS back in the 80's. Lately under some windows versions,
when trying to run scandisk I get a message about "instead of scandisk try
chkdsk as it can repair more types of errors" or something similar. I've
never had much luck with either one.
Howard
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From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors


I'm still living in XP at home but will see what I can find. If there
are old lost clusters hanging around, I want rid of them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Doris
and Chris
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors

And you are back to it. Run

chkdsk /f /r

from a command prompt.

hth

Doris

At 12:56 PM 3/4/2013 +0000, you wrote:
Is Scandisk still around? It largely superseded CHKDSK back around
95 or 98, I believe. I've been meaning to look at that myself.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: repairing hard disk errors

Abby:

Try:

chkdsk [drivename]: /r

If this is run on the system drive, you will need to confirm that you
want chkdsk to run, the next time the system starts.

Depending on the size of the drive on which you perform chkdsk with
the /r switch, be prepared to wait for some considerable time for the
program to do its work.

Last week, I performed a chkdsk /r command on a 1TB drive, it took
several hours for chkdsk to complete the task.

The fact that chkdsk provides no reports in a file you can access,
especially if you run chkdsk on the system drive, is one of the main
reasons I do not like using this program to check my storage media.

Has anyone come across an alternative program to chkdsk or, is anyone
using an alternative program they are using, which is accessible using
a screen-reader they can recommend?

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:40 PM
Subject: repairing hard disk errors


My computer seems to be running OK. However, I keep getting a
message that says Windows has detected a hard disk error. I am
running carbonite, so that should take care of backup.



The one program I know about is chkdsk/f. I had to run it as part
of my boot up. It doesn't give me a report. I just end up where I
usually do, and I'm still getting the same error message.



Does anyone know of a program I can use to try to find and correct
whatever problem, if any, I have? The famous Norton Disk Doctor is
no more, and there's a plethora of freeware.



Abby

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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 19:44:56 +0000
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
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I'd forgotten that, Ann; thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Alt+control++i toggles between over-type and insert modes.
At 11:19 AM 3/4/2013, you wrote:
Try overtype mode. JAWS-3 allows the next keystroke to pass through to
the application. Hit JAWS-F3, then the regular Ins key. This should
take the program into overtype mode.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisa
Larges
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 11:11 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by
inserting underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the
underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I
usually just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined
text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Message: 28
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:45:38 -0600
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws
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Kim,
My advice is to not fight with the submenus. I have tried them repeatedly
with JAWS, Window-Eyes and NVDA, and sometimes they work and sometimes they
don't. The accessible page has all of the submenu choices, so if you need
any of these links, use that page.

The accessible page also has a link to Advanced Search. In this search
form, there are edit fields for title, author, etc. I keep saying
accessible page because I don't really think there is a separate site. The
page just works around the submenus.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws


I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 29
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 20:02:21 +0000
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
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That's pretty much what I do when filling in a template around here.

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Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:10 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Dani,

Likely not. The number of underscore characters are usually just put there
to make the form visually-balanced. Of course more are placed there for a
full name than for a postal code. And the underscore is a fixed-width
character and pretty wide, I'm thinking, whereas the typical font used
(Times Roman) is proportionally-spaced and sized, so a one-to-one result
will not occur in the printed or WYSIWYG presentation.

I usually type what I need, select the underscores, hit delete, and add one
blank space.

Again if an underline effect is desired, then go back and use the underline
attribute (Ctrl+u).

But in general, I probably butcher most forms when I fill them out,
especially if there are more than one label/blank on each line of the page.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dani L Pagador" <axs.brl@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 11:03
Subject: RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms


Hi, Dave and Lisa.
Alt+Ctrl+I will toggle between Insert and Overwrite.
Is the number of underlines used in the space equal to how many characters
can be typed there? I've always wondered that.
HTH,
Dani

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Lisa,

In addition to Ted's tip, which does allow you to overtype, if you want the
result to be underlined, then you need to go back and highlight what you
typed, and press Ctrl+U.

Don't forget to go back to insert mode when you're done.

Also I think there's a keyboard shortcut for toggling the insert mode.
Perhaps try the JAWS+H to see if it comes up there.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa Larges" <llarges@tamfs.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 08:11
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms


Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by inserting
underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I usually
just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Message: 30
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:24:51 -0500
From: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws
Message-ID: <022301ce1916$55edb620$01c92260$@AdrianSpratt.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and that in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 31
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:00:04 -0600
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws
Message-ID: <2DF7B49504FF4CA1AF4C2EB4577AA39E@Gary0>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Adrian,
The instructions on the elements with the submenus say to use the Pass
Through Key and then the Spacebar. In the Desktop Layout, this combination
is The Insert Key plus 3 on the number row. As mentioned in a previous
post, sometimes you will get a submenu after following these instructions,
and sometimes you won't. Audible knew they'd get complaints from blind
people, which is why they created our special page. Did you know that your
account details are on one of those submenus? If they don't work , you must

use our special page to get to them. Aren't you glad now that they created
a special page just for us?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and that
in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus
spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on
each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 32
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:20:21 -0500
From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@bmo.com>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws
Message-ID:

<C4C4275394269D4C92AD935948D25B9601C46AAF2A@BMFGEXCMBX06.adroot.bmogc.net>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Is it really expedient to create "special pages for the special folks"?
Would it not pay these people to just create a accessable page in the first
place?
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: March 4, 2013 4:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Adrian,
The instructions on the elements with the submenus say to use the Pass
Through Key and then the Spacebar. In the Desktop Layout, this combination
is The Insert Key plus 3 on the number row. As mentioned in a previous
post, sometimes you will get a submenu after following these instructions,
and sometimes you won't. Audible knew they'd get complaints from blind
people, which is why they created our special page. Did you know that your
account details are on one of those submenus? If they don't work , you must
use our special page to get to them. Aren't you glad now that they created
a special page just for us?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and that
in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus
spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on
each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 33
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:39:21 -0500
From: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws
Message-ID: <025c01ce1920$beadc470$3c094d50$@AdrianSpratt.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi, Gary.

I know what the pass-through key combo is, and I was just reporting my
experience with those particular links. However, I didn't try to access my
account. I would be very unhappy if Audible has, indeed, set it up so that
we're forced to use the so-called accessible version. Amazon, parent of
audible, has a similar accessible page option. I believe it sets a very bad
example. As Tom has just suggested, our emphasis ought to be on making the
main pages of any website properly accessible, not having our surfing
confined to some distant corner of the Internet. Most of us know where that
leads. Get out your Ouija boards and ask the justices behind the 1954 Brown
v. board of Education decision.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Adrian,
The instructions on the elements with the submenus say to use the Pass
Through Key and then the Spacebar. In the Desktop Layout, this combination
is The Insert Key plus 3 on the number row. As mentioned in a previous
post, sometimes you will get a submenu after following these instructions,
and sometimes you won't. Audible knew they'd get complaints from blind
people, which is why they created our special page. Did you know that your
account details are on one of those submenus? If they don't work , you must

use our special page to get to them. Aren't you glad now that they created
a special page just for us?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and that
in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus
spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on
each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 34
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:36:12 -0600
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws
Message-ID: <D3585436A26847739E9E660762C81BD9@Gary0>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Your account details are in the submenu that's attached to your greeting at
the top of the regular home page. If you try that submenu enough times,
you'll probably get lucky. I played with the submenus for a couple of hours

with 3 different screen readers when I found out about them, and I never
discovered a pattern in the successes versus failures. It doesn't look like

much testing with screen readers was done before they rolled out those
submenus.

I'm afraid that what we have now with Audible is to be expected from Amazon.

They were forced to make the Kindle somewhat accessible, and their efforts
at accessibility with the Kindle for PC program have been less than stellar.

I have been trying for months to get Amazon to make their Prime Instant
Videos more accessible by using a standard button or link to start the
stream instead of the custom graphical button they use now, but I haven't
had any luck.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 3:39 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi, Gary.

I know what the pass-through key combo is, and I was just reporting my
experience with those particular links. However, I didn't try to access my
account. I would be very unhappy if Audible has, indeed, set it up so that
we're forced to use the so-called accessible version. Amazon, parent of
audible, has a similar accessible page option. I believe it sets a very
bad
example. As Tom has just suggested, our emphasis ought to be on making the
main pages of any website properly accessible, not having our surfing
confined to some distant corner of the Internet. Most of us know where
that
leads. Get out your Ouija boards and ask the justices behind the 1954
Brown
v. board of Education decision.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Adrian,
The instructions on the elements with the submenus say to use the Pass
Through Key and then the Spacebar. In the Desktop Layout, this
combination
is The Insert Key plus 3 on the number row. As mentioned in a previous
post, sometimes you will get a submenu after following these instructions,
and sometimes you won't. Audible knew they'd get complaints from blind
people, which is why they created our special page. Did you know that
your
account details are on one of those submenus? If they don't work , you
must

use our special page to get to them. Aren't you glad now that they
created
a special page just for us?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was
looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and that
in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus
spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on
each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the
Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it
has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the
site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 35
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:14:48 -0800
From: "Kevin Lee" <kleeva5@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: strange happening
Message-ID: <A99B7560E3E24824B63F646DD0A0C5EF@OwnerPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I?m not sure if this is from a jaws keystroke but one of my folders the
contents list group box collapse or expanded. and it list one of those
with each of the icons I have. so I would have double the items in the
folder. how do I remove that cuz I know I pressed something unknowingly.
email is golden!
Kevin
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Message: 36
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:36:03 -0800
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: strange happening
Message-ID: <20D34B6D711241749BB8FEE9504BF34E@symmetricom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Kevin,

Outlook Express, Windows Mail, Windows Live Mail, Thunderbird, Eudora,
Outlook?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 15:14
Subject: strange happening


I?m not sure if this is from a jaws keystroke but one of my folders the
contents list group box collapse or expanded. and it list one of those
with each of the icons I have. so I would have double the items in the
folder. how do I remove that cuz I know I pressed something unknowingly.
email is golden!
Kevin
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Message: 37
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:55:53 -0800
From: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws
Message-ID: <000301ce1933$cfc73ad0$6f55b070$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I use audible several times throughout the week and dispite noticing the
change with sub menus, I haven't had any problems navigating and getting to
where I want on the main page. What parts of the site specifically have the
most navigation problems. Just interested.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Your account details are in the submenu that's attached to your greeting at
the top of the regular home page. If you try that submenu enough times,
you'll probably get lucky. I played with the submenus for a couple of hours
with 3 different screen readers when I found out about them, and I never
discovered a pattern in the successes versus failures. It doesn't look like
much testing with screen readers was done before they rolled out those
submenus.

I'm afraid that what we have now with Audible is to be expected from Amazon.

They were forced to make the Kindle somewhat accessible, and their efforts
at accessibility with the Kindle for PC program have been less than stellar.

I have been trying for months to get Amazon to make their Prime Instant
Videos more accessible by using a standard button or link to start the
stream instead of the custom graphical button they use now, but I haven't
had any luck.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 3:39 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi, Gary.

I know what the pass-through key combo is, and I was just reporting my
experience with those particular links. However, I didn't try to access my
account. I would be very unhappy if Audible has, indeed, set it up so that
we're forced to use the so-called accessible version. Amazon, parent of
audible, has a similar accessible page option. I believe it sets a very
bad
example. As Tom has just suggested, our emphasis ought to be on making the
main pages of any website properly accessible, not having our surfing
confined to some distant corner of the Internet. Most of us know where
that
leads. Get out your Ouija boards and ask the justices behind the 1954
Brown
v. board of Education decision.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Adrian,
The instructions on the elements with the submenus say to use the Pass
Through Key and then the Spacebar. In the Desktop Layout, this
combination
is The Insert Key plus 3 on the number row. As mentioned in a previous
post, sometimes you will get a submenu after following these instructions,
and sometimes you won't. Audible knew they'd get complaints from blind
people, which is why they created our special page. Did you know that
your
account details are on one of those submenus? If they don't work , you
must

use our special page to get to them. Aren't you glad now that they
created
a special page just for us?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was
looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and that
in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus
spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on
each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the
Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it
has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the
site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 38
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:42:12 -0800
From: "Patrick L. Steggall" <lynnstggll@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Info on a new program...
Message-ID: <000901ce193a$478a5a10$d69f0e30$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


Hello fellow groupies,
My name is Patrick and I subscribe to a freeware news letter called
Gizmo's Freeware. They recently sent me a message with a new malware
defender called "sandboxie" and I needed to know if anyone has dealt with
said program with jaws?They make this program sound simpler than it
obviously is; however, I just wanted to look into this one. I now use
Microsoft security essentials as well as super anti-spyware and am not even
convinced I would need any more protection...
This "sandboxie" sounds real good, but I want to be cautious as we
should be in any case, right?

Thanks so much, Patrick...


"There are none so blind, as those who refuse to ssee."
-Patrick Steggall MSW-





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Message: 39
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 20:28:08 -0600
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws
Message-ID: <9B3319FFC1EA42DE8681BB802B04AC49@Gary0>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Drew,
Other than someone mentioning that they didn't like how the search had
changed, I don't recall that any particular navigation problems were pointed

out. What started this thread was a JAWS user's general frustration with
the new layout and a request for some tips on how to navigate it.

Have you tried the submenus, and did they work consistently for you with
JAWS? If they're not working for you, have you found any other way to get
to your Account Details other than via the new accessible page? That could
become important if you ever need to change your member plan, billing
options or password. Other links on the accessible page are also choices on

the 3 new submenus.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 5:55 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


I use audible several times throughout the week and dispite noticing the
change with sub menus, I haven't had any problems navigating and getting
to
where I want on the main page. What parts of the site specifically have
the
most navigation problems. Just interested.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Your account details are in the submenu that's attached to your greeting
at
the top of the regular home page. If you try that submenu enough times,
you'll probably get lucky. I played with the submenus for a couple of
hours
with 3 different screen readers when I found out about them, and I never
discovered a pattern in the successes versus failures. It doesn't look
like
much testing with screen readers was done before they rolled out those
submenus.

I'm afraid that what we have now with Audible is to be expected from
Amazon.

They were forced to make the Kindle somewhat accessible, and their efforts
at accessibility with the Kindle for PC program have been less than
stellar.

I have been trying for months to get Amazon to make their Prime Instant
Videos more accessible by using a standard button or link to start the
stream instead of the custom graphical button they use now, but I haven't
had any luck.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 3:39 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi, Gary.

I know what the pass-through key combo is, and I was just reporting my
experience with those particular links. However, I didn't try to access
my
account. I would be very unhappy if Audible has, indeed, set it up so
that
we're forced to use the so-called accessible version. Amazon, parent of
audible, has a similar accessible page option. I believe it sets a very
bad
example. As Tom has just suggested, our emphasis ought to be on making
the
main pages of any website properly accessible, not having our surfing
confined to some distant corner of the Internet. Most of us know where
that
leads. Get out your Ouija boards and ask the justices behind the 1954
Brown
v. board of Education decision.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Adrian,
The instructions on the elements with the submenus say to use the Pass
Through Key and then the Spacebar. In the Desktop Layout, this
combination
is The Insert Key plus 3 on the number row. As mentioned in a previous
post, sometimes you will get a submenu after following these
instructions,
and sometimes you won't. Audible knew they'd get complaints from blind
people, which is why they created our special page. Did you know that
your
account details are on one of those submenus? If they don't work , you
must

use our special page to get to them. Aren't you glad now that they
created
a special page just for us?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find
it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among
author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of
the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was
looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and
that
in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus
spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on
each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to
just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the
Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it
has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS
either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page
because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The
regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the
site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Re: Microsoft Outlook

Dave...
 

Angie,

Better check your settings. Sounds like you have a feature checked that will
empty your deleted items automatically when you close Outlook. I don't have
Outlook 10 so cannot tell you exactly where to look.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 04:20
Subject: Microsoft Outlook


Hi,

I am using Jaws 14, Windows 8, with Outlook 10. For some reason I cannot
seem to find my deleted messages. I am going crazy looking for them. Can
someone please help me. My deleted box is empty.

Thanks,

Angie

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Say all problem

Karoline Bourdeau <karoline.bourdeau@...>
 

Hi

Yes. I cannot get it to read by insert down or Jaws down.
It only does 1 line at a time. Thanks for all help.

Karoline Bourdeau
www.thankingplace.wordpress.com

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: How to navigate MS Security Essentials (tcivi31)
2. Re: Synthesiser Number Processing (Mike B.)
3. Re: How to navigate MS Security Essentials (Mike B.)
4. Re: repairing hard disk errors (Dave Durber)
5. RE: where do I find add or remove programs? (Artur R?pp)
6. Say All trouble (Karoline Bourdeau)
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8. RE: Youtube and skipping adds? (Kimsan)
9. Re: Say All trouble (Gary King)
10. RE: repairing hard disk errors (Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS))
11. Audible.com site with Jaws (Kimber Gardner)
12. RE: Audible.com site with Jaws (Adrian Spratt)
13. RE: How to navigate MS Security Essentials (Adrian Spratt)
14. RE: repairing hard disk errors (Doris and Chris)
15. Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms (Lisa Larges)
16. RE: repairing hard disk errors (Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS))
17. Re: Audible.com site with Jaws (Gary King)
18. RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
(Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS))
19. Re: repairing hard disk errors (Howard Traxler)
20. Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms (Farfar Carlson)
21. Re: Audible.com site with Jaws (Kimber Gardner)
22. RE: Audible.com site with Jaws (Adrian Spratt)
23. RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms (Ann Byrne)
24. RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms (Dani L Pagador)
25. Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms (Farfar Carlson)
26. RE: repairing hard disk errors (Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS))
27. RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
(Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS))
28. Re: Audible.com site with Jaws (Gary King)
29. RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
(Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS))
30. RE: Audible.com site with Jaws (Adrian Spratt)
31. Re: Audible.com site with Jaws (Gary King)
32. RE: Audible.com site with Jaws (Bissett, Tom)
33. RE: Audible.com site with Jaws (Adrian Spratt)
34. Re: Audible.com site with Jaws (Gary King)
35. strange happening (Kevin Lee)
36. Re: strange happening (Farfar Carlson)
37. RE: Audible.com site with Jaws (Drew Hunthausen)
38. Info on a new program... (Patrick L. Steggall)
39. Re: Audible.com site with Jaws (Gary King)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 09:41:26 -0800
From: "tcivi31" <tcivi31@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: How to navigate MS Security Essentials
Message-ID: <3BF1B21BE9BE4BD0858146BE70B1F30F@tomPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

Sometimes it mean that the virus definition file has not been updated
recently. Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian D. Nichols" <inich@rogers.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: How to navigate MS Security Essentials


Hi Adrian,

In my experience, the message in the system tray "potentially unprotected"
means that Microsoft Security Essentials has not scan the system for a
while

Press enter on this item and a dialog appears from which you can choose
the type of scan and start scanning. When the scan is done, the message
in the system tray returns to "Protected".

HTH.

Ian

Ian D. Nichols,
Toronto, Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: [Bulk] How to navigate MS Security Essentials

Hi.

This morning I noticed that MS Security Essentials was advising me in the
systems tray that my status was "potentially unprotected."

I clicked on the icon and went through the various options, but none of
them
told me the cause of the problem. I rebooted. This time when I opened the
antivirus program, one of three options appeared to offer a solution.
(I've
forgotten the wording.) I clicked on that option and noticed a button
labeled "Details." However, before I could press enter on it, the
application told me I'd taken the necessary action and my status was again
protected.



Naturally, I'm glad protected status is restored. However, I wish I knew
what the problem had been. More fundamentally, I wish I could navigate
Security Essentials more comfortably.



Any suggestions?

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:37:58 -0800
From: "Mike B." <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Synthesiser Number Processing
Message-ID: <523591AC381046429F45353C2740C556@mikexp>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi Darran,

Try the following:
1. Go into the Settings Center with , Insert + 6, on the number row above
the main keyboard & then, control, shift, + D, for the default all
applications.
2. Arrow down to, Text Processing, & press right arrow to open.
3. Arrow down to, Number & Date Processing, & right arrow to open.
4. Arrow down to, Number Processing, controlled by synthesizer, & press the
spacebar to toggle your way through the options. Keep pressing the spacebar

until you hear Jaws report the setting you want. You can also press the, F6

key, & there will be a list box you can up or down arrow to your choice.
5. After you've made your selection tab to apply, press the spacebar, tab to

okay, press the spacebar to save your changes & close the Settings Center.

HTH
Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Darran Ross
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:54 AM
Subject: Synthesiser Number Processing


Hi List.

I'm trying to find whereabouts in the synthesiser settings I go to have a
look at what is set for the default in regard to number processing. When I
bring up numerical processing in the settings centre, I see that controlled
by the synthesiser is an option, but I can't for the life of me find the
appropriate area in JAWS to alter this!

I don't think I've explained myself very well here, but if anyone thinks
they've got the gist of it, I'd appreciate some guidance.

Many thanks.

Darran
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:46:31 -0800
From: "Mike B." <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: How to navigate MS Security Essentials
Message-ID: <270922227F264D478522A1BA4A959030@mikexp>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi Adrian,

Check your optional updates link in Windows Updates. I find updates for
MSSE in there as well. HTH
Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:34 AM
Subject: How to navigate MS Security Essentials


Hi.



This morning I noticed that MS Security Essentials was advising me in the
systems tray that my status was "potentially unprotected."



I clicked on the icon and went through the various options, but none of them
told me the cause of the problem. I rebooted. This time when I opened the
antivirus program, one of three options appeared to offer a solution. (I've
forgotten the wording.) I clicked on that option and noticed a button
labeled "Details." However, before I could press enter on it, the
application told me I'd taken the necessary action and my status was again
protected.



Naturally, I'm glad protected status is restored. However, I wish I knew
what the problem had been. More fundamentally, I wish I could navigate
Security Essentials more comfortably.



Any suggestions?

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 15:33:06 -0500
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: repairing hard disk errors
Message-ID: <AD23C141C7D24EBF9AF5EA6D4D22C652@dave>
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reply-type=original

Abby:

Try:

chkdsk [drivename]: /r

If this is run on the system drive, you will need to confirm that you want
chkdsk to run, the next time the system starts.

Depending on the size of the drive on which you perform chkdsk with the /r
switch, be prepared to wait for some considerable time for the program to do

its work.

Last week, I performed a chkdsk /r command on a 1TB drive, it took several
hours for chkdsk to complete the task.

The fact that chkdsk provides no reports in a file you can access,
especially if you run chkdsk on the system drive, is one of the main reasons

I do not like using this program to check my storage media.

Has anyone come across an alternative program to chkdsk or, is anyone using
an alternative program they are using, which is accessible using a
screen-reader they can recommend?

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Abby Vincent" <aevincent@ca.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:40 PM
Subject: repairing hard disk errors


My computer seems to be running OK. However, I keep getting a message
that
says Windows has detected a hard disk error. I am running carbonite, so
that should take care of backup.



The one program I know about is chkdsk/f. I had to run it as part of my
boot up. It doesn't give me a report. I just end up where I usually do,
and I'm still getting the same error message.



Does anyone know of a program I can use to try to find and correct
whatever
problem, if any, I have? The famous Norton Disk Doctor is no more, and
there's a plethora of freeware.



Abby

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:38:09 +0000
From: Artur R?pp <artur1248@hotmail.com>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: where do I find add or remove programs?
Message-ID: <DUB405-EAS46B5B0EA112D3F8A8B8E83A0F90@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi,



Press win+x and choose first options from this list.



HTH

Artur



Sent from Windows 8


Saatja: Lauren
Saadetud: ?1?. ?m?rts? ?2013 ?8?:?11
Adressaat: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Teema: where do I find add or remove programs?



I can't seem to find add or remove programs in the control panel with
windows 8 and Jaws 14. Does anyone know where it is?



Sincerely,

Lauren



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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:15:56 -0500
From: "Karoline Bourdeau" <karoline.bourdeau@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Say All trouble
Message-ID: <006601ce187e$350f63b0$9f2e2b10$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"





Hi

I am having trouble getting JAWS to say all. I am using windows 7, JAWS 14
and MS Word 2010. I have the default to all



It only reads line by line. I used to be able to read a whole page with JAWS
13. Thoughts?



Karoline Bourdeau

www.thankingplace.wordpress.com



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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 19:26:49 -0800
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Say All trouble
Message-ID: <00b801ce1888$1bf19880$53d4c980$@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

What happens when you set it to none?


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@aol.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Karoline
Bourdeau
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 6:16 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Say All trouble





Hi

I am having trouble getting JAWS to say all. I am using windows 7, JAWS 14
and MS Word 2010. I have the default to all



It only reads line by line. I used to be able to read a whole page with JAWS
13. Thoughts?



Karoline Bourdeau

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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 19:44:08 -0800
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Youtube and skipping adds?
Message-ID: <00c701ce188a$8776daf0$966490d0$@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I was wondering, and I am asking because I don't use it but does the
accessible youtube have ads?


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@aol.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:35 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Youtube and skipping adds?

This isn't a JAWS key, but an MS command. Your JAWS version shouldn't
matter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 6:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Youtube and skipping adds?

Hi, i'd like to know if the same thing would work with earlier versions of
jaws like jaws 11 and ie version 8? Thank you for any information that you
might have.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: Youtube and skipping ads


Press F5 for reload page. I just tested it before posting on a Youtube
page that has always brought up an ad. The first time I pressed F5 it
interrupted the ad but brought up a second one. I pressed F5 a second
time, the ad stopped and the song began. Then I closed out the webpage
and linked back into it. This time no ad at all; just the song.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Holdstock
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Youtube and skipping ads

Hi, does anyone know how to skip ads on YouTube. Sighted people tell
me you can do it but I can't find a button which lets me do it. I'm
using JAWS 14 and Windows 8 with IE 10 or Firefox.

Thanks

Peter


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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 23:35:09 -0600
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Say All trouble
Message-ID: <FC03ACB3924247CBAFEE4A1D48769C69@Gary0>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Karoline,
Are you saying that you can't use Insert Down-Arrow, or JAWS Key Down-Arrow
if you prefer, to read a page continuously in MS Word?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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From: "Karoline Bourdeau" <karoline.bourdeau@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 8:15 PM
Subject: Say All trouble






Hi

I am having trouble getting JAWS to say all. I am using windows 7, JAWS 14
and MS Word 2010. I have the default to all



It only reads line by line. I used to be able to read a whole page with
JAWS
13. Thoughts?



Karoline Bourdeau

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 12:56:12 +0000
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors
Message-ID:
<303A3C13AD1F8A44A1AC9C3D7367EDB504A31F@AGEXM05.eas.ds.ky.gov>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Is Scandisk still around? It largely superseded CHKDSK back around 95 or 98,
I believe. I've been meaning to look at that myself.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: repairing hard disk errors

Abby:

Try:

chkdsk [drivename]: /r

If this is run on the system drive, you will need to confirm that you want
chkdsk to run, the next time the system starts.

Depending on the size of the drive on which you perform chkdsk with the /r
switch, be prepared to wait for some considerable time for the program to do
its work.

Last week, I performed a chkdsk /r command on a 1TB drive, it took several
hours for chkdsk to complete the task.

The fact that chkdsk provides no reports in a file you can access,
especially if you run chkdsk on the system drive, is one of the main reasons
I do not like using this program to check my storage media.

Has anyone come across an alternative program to chkdsk or, is anyone using
an alternative program they are using, which is accessible using a
screen-reader they can recommend?

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Abby Vincent" <aevincent@ca.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:40 PM
Subject: repairing hard disk errors


My computer seems to be running OK. However, I keep getting a message
that
says Windows has detected a hard disk error. I am running carbonite, so
that should take care of backup.



The one program I know about is chkdsk/f. I had to run it as part of my
boot up. It doesn't give me a report. I just end up where I usually do,
and I'm still getting the same error message.



Does anyone know of a program I can use to try to find and correct
whatever
problem, if any, I have? The famous Norton Disk Doctor is no more, and
there's a plethora of freeware.



Abby

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:42:23 -0500
From: Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws
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Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim



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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:55:22 -0500
From: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws
Message-ID: <012101ce18df$ed1a71f0$c74f55d0$@AdrianSpratt.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi. The so-called accessible version is less inclusive. Which features are
you missing? I find the regular site completely accessible. With my new
computer and possibly also thanks to IE9, I can also move around it very
quickly, which didn't used to be true. I'm finding many website problems I
had with IE8 are solved with IE9. Some websites say explicitly that IE8 no
longer works properly on them. I don't know if this is the case with
Audible.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws

Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:58:20 -0500
From: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: How to navigate MS Security Essentials
Message-ID: <012201ce18e0$5731b760$05952620$@AdrianSpratt.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Ian,

Thank you for answering my navigation query, and thanks to you, Tom and Mike
for possible explanations of the behavior I encountered. I still find
navigation of Security Essentials baffling, but I'll keep all this in mind.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ian D. Nichols
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: How to navigate MS Security Essentials

Hi Adrian,

In my experience, the message in the system tray "potentially unprotected"
means that Microsoft Security Essentials has not scan the system for a while

Press enter on this item and a dialog appears from which you can choose the
type of scan and start scanning. When the scan is done, the message in the
system tray returns to "Protected".

HTH.

Ian

Ian D. Nichols,
Toronto, Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: [Bulk] How to navigate MS Security Essentials

Hi.

This morning I noticed that MS Security Essentials was advising me in the
systems tray that my status was "potentially unprotected."

I clicked on the icon and went through the various options, but none of them
told me the cause of the problem. I rebooted. This time when I opened the
antivirus program, one of three options appeared to offer a solution. (I've
forgotten the wording.) I clicked on that option and noticed a button
labeled "Details." However, before I could press enter on it, the
application told me I'd taken the necessary action and my status was again
protected.



Naturally, I'm glad protected status is restored. However, I wish I knew
what the problem had been. More fundamentally, I wish I could navigate
Security Essentials more comfortably.



Any suggestions?

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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 09:39:36 -0500
From: Doris and Chris <chipmunks@gmx.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors
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And you are back to it. Run

chkdsk /f /r

from a command prompt.

hth

Doris

At 12:56 PM 3/4/2013 +0000, you wrote:
Is Scandisk still around? It largely superseded CHKDSK back around
95 or 98, I believe. I've been meaning to look at that myself.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: repairing hard disk errors

Abby:

Try:

chkdsk [drivename]: /r

If this is run on the system drive, you will need to confirm that
you want chkdsk to run, the next time the system starts.

Depending on the size of the drive on which you perform chkdsk with
the /r switch, be prepared to wait for some considerable time for
the program to do its work.

Last week, I performed a chkdsk /r command on a 1TB drive, it took
several hours for chkdsk to complete the task.

The fact that chkdsk provides no reports in a file you can access,
especially if you run chkdsk on the system drive, is one of the main
reasons I do not like using this program to check my storage media.

Has anyone come across an alternative program to chkdsk or, is
anyone using an alternative program they are using, which is
accessible using a screen-reader they can recommend?

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Abby Vincent" <aevincent@ca.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:40 PM
Subject: repairing hard disk errors


My computer seems to be running OK. However, I keep getting a message
that
says Windows has detected a hard disk error. I am running carbonite, so
that should take care of backup.



The one program I know about is chkdsk/f. I had to run it as part of my
boot up. It doesn't give me a report. I just end up where I usually
do,
and I'm still getting the same error message.



Does anyone know of a program I can use to try to find and correct
whatever
problem, if any, I have? The famous Norton Disk Doctor is no more, and
there's a plethora of freeware.



Abby

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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:11:05 -0600
From: "Lisa Larges" <llarges@tamfs.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
Message-ID: <0ad501ce18f2$e0465120$a0d2f360$@tamfs.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by inserting
underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I usually
just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:16:48 +0000
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors
Message-ID:
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I'm still living in XP at home but will see what I can find. If there are
old lost clusters hanging around, I want rid of them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Doris and
Chris
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors

And you are back to it. Run

chkdsk /f /r

from a command prompt.

hth

Doris

At 12:56 PM 3/4/2013 +0000, you wrote:
Is Scandisk still around? It largely superseded CHKDSK back around
95 or 98, I believe. I've been meaning to look at that myself.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: repairing hard disk errors

Abby:

Try:

chkdsk [drivename]: /r

If this is run on the system drive, you will need to confirm that you
want chkdsk to run, the next time the system starts.

Depending on the size of the drive on which you perform chkdsk with the
/r switch, be prepared to wait for some considerable time for the
program to do its work.

Last week, I performed a chkdsk /r command on a 1TB drive, it took
several hours for chkdsk to complete the task.

The fact that chkdsk provides no reports in a file you can access,
especially if you run chkdsk on the system drive, is one of the main
reasons I do not like using this program to check my storage media.

Has anyone come across an alternative program to chkdsk or, is anyone
using an alternative program they are using, which is accessible using
a screen-reader they can recommend?

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Abby Vincent" <aevincent@ca.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:40 PM
Subject: repairing hard disk errors


My computer seems to be running OK. However, I keep getting a
message that says Windows has detected a hard disk error. I am
running carbonite, so that should take care of backup.



The one program I know about is chkdsk/f. I had to run it as part
of my boot up. It doesn't give me a report. I just end up where I
usually do, and I'm still getting the same error message.



Does anyone know of a program I can use to try to find and correct
whatever problem, if any, I have? The famous Norton Disk Doctor is
no more, and there's a plethora of freeware.



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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:58:41 -0600
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws
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Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just be
a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the way,
the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it has a
submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either by
pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because it
doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content are
you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 17:19:11 +0000
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Try overtype mode. JAWS-3 allows the next keystroke to pass through to the
application. Hit JAWS-F3, then the regular Ins key. This should take the
program into overtype mode.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Larges
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 11:11 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by inserting
underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I usually
just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:51:44 -0600
From: "Howard Traxler" <howard@traxlerenterprises.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: repairing hard disk errors
Message-ID: <E8E411E5C2354904896841A99AD42277@HOWARD>
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Some may be too young or new to remember: CHKDSK was here before SCANDISK.
We used it under DOS back in the 80's. Lately under some windows versions,
when trying to run scandisk I get a message about "instead of scandisk try
chkdsk as it can repair more types of errors" or something similar. I've
never had much luck with either one.
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors


I'm still living in XP at home but will see what I can find. If there are
old lost clusters hanging around, I want rid of them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Doris and
Chris
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors

And you are back to it. Run

chkdsk /f /r

from a command prompt.

hth

Doris

At 12:56 PM 3/4/2013 +0000, you wrote:
Is Scandisk still around? It largely superseded CHKDSK back around
95 or 98, I believe. I've been meaning to look at that myself.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: repairing hard disk errors

Abby:

Try:

chkdsk [drivename]: /r

If this is run on the system drive, you will need to confirm that you
want chkdsk to run, the next time the system starts.

Depending on the size of the drive on which you perform chkdsk with the
/r switch, be prepared to wait for some considerable time for the
program to do its work.

Last week, I performed a chkdsk /r command on a 1TB drive, it took
several hours for chkdsk to complete the task.

The fact that chkdsk provides no reports in a file you can access,
especially if you run chkdsk on the system drive, is one of the main
reasons I do not like using this program to check my storage media.

Has anyone come across an alternative program to chkdsk or, is anyone
using an alternative program they are using, which is accessible using
a screen-reader they can recommend?

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Abby Vincent" <aevincent@ca.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:40 PM
Subject: repairing hard disk errors


My computer seems to be running OK. However, I keep getting a
message that says Windows has detected a hard disk error. I am
running carbonite, so that should take care of backup.



The one program I know about is chkdsk/f. I had to run it as part
of my boot up. It doesn't give me a report. I just end up where I
usually do, and I'm still getting the same error message.



Does anyone know of a program I can use to try to find and correct
whatever problem, if any, I have? The famous Norton Disk Doctor is
no more, and there's a plethora of freeware.



Abby

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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:00:05 -0800
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
Message-ID: <56518CAC6F7B40209563C3903AF6DC93@symmetricom.com>
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Lisa,

In addition to Ted's tip, which does allow you to overtype, if you want the
result to be underlined, then you need to go back and highlight what you
typed, and press Ctrl+U.

Don't forget to go back to insert mode when you're done.

Also I think there's a keyboard shortcut for toggling the insert mode.
Perhaps try the JAWS+H to see if it comes up there.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 08:11
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms


Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by inserting
underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I usually
just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:10:56 -0500
From: Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws
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I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:38:53 -0500
From: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws
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That search capability exists on the regular website, one reason I returned
to it.

Again, the regular Audible website is completely accessible. I wish we
weren't encouraging Audible to put more resources into its so-called
accessible website so that perhaps they might be receptive to certain
changes on the regular website. For example, it would make navigation
slightly more helpful if they'd incorporate some quick navigation clues,
such as a graphic preceding "Publisher" and "Publisher's Summary," headings
I use a lot. But JAWS handles those things nicely anyway, between heading
numbers, placemarkers, etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 13:02:02 -0600
From: Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
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Alt+control++i toggles between over-type and insert modes.
At 11:19 AM 3/4/2013, you wrote:
Try overtype mode. JAWS-3 allows the next keystroke to pass through
to the application. Hit JAWS-F3, then the regular Ins key. This
should take the program into overtype mode.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Larges
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 11:11 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by inserting
underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the
underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I usually
just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 09:03:37 -1000
From: "Dani L Pagador" <axs.brl@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
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Hi, Dave and Lisa.
Alt+Ctrl+I will toggle between Insert and Overwrite.
Is the number of underlines used in the space equal to how many characters
can be typed there? I've always wondered that.
HTH,
Dani

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Lisa,

In addition to Ted's tip, which does allow you to overtype, if you want the
result to be underlined, then you need to go back and highlight what you
typed, and press Ctrl+U.

Don't forget to go back to insert mode when you're done.

Also I think there's a keyboard shortcut for toggling the insert mode.
Perhaps try the JAWS+H to see if it comes up there.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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From: "Lisa Larges" <llarges@tamfs.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 08:11
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms


Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by inserting
underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I usually
just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:10:16 -0800
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
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Dani,

Likely not. The number of underscore characters are usually just put there
to make the form visually-balanced. Of course more are placed there for a
full name than for a postal code. And the underscore is a fixed-width
character and pretty wide, I'm thinking, whereas the typical font used
(Times Roman) is proportionally-spaced and sized, so a one-to-one result
will not occur in the printed or WYSIWYG presentation.

I usually type what I need, select the underscores, hit delete, and add one
blank space.

Again if an underline effect is desired, then go back and use the underline
attribute (Ctrl+u).

But in general, I probably butcher most forms when I fill them out,
especially if there are more than one label/blank on each line of the page.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dani L Pagador" <axs.brl@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 11:03
Subject: RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms


Hi, Dave and Lisa.
Alt+Ctrl+I will toggle between Insert and Overwrite.
Is the number of underlines used in the space equal to how many characters
can be typed there? I've always wondered that.
HTH,
Dani

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Lisa,

In addition to Ted's tip, which does allow you to overtype, if you want the
result to be underlined, then you need to go back and highlight what you
typed, and press Ctrl+U.

Don't forget to go back to insert mode when you're done.

Also I think there's a keyboard shortcut for toggling the insert mode.
Perhaps try the JAWS+H to see if it comes up there.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa Larges" <llarges@tamfs.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 08:11
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms


Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by inserting
underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I usually
just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 19:44:03 +0000
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors
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Trust me; I used 'em both. I used to have so many crashes with DisplayWrite
3 I'd clean clusters several times a day, until a geek friend showed me how
to stabilize the program to work with VOS. I had a vector conflict; how's
that for a moldy oldie!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:52 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: repairing hard disk errors

Some may be too young or new to remember: CHKDSK was here before SCANDISK.
We used it under DOS back in the 80's. Lately under some windows versions,
when trying to run scandisk I get a message about "instead of scandisk try
chkdsk as it can repair more types of errors" or something similar. I've
never had much luck with either one.
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors


I'm still living in XP at home but will see what I can find. If there
are old lost clusters hanging around, I want rid of them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Doris
and Chris
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: repairing hard disk errors

And you are back to it. Run

chkdsk /f /r

from a command prompt.

hth

Doris

At 12:56 PM 3/4/2013 +0000, you wrote:
Is Scandisk still around? It largely superseded CHKDSK back around
95 or 98, I believe. I've been meaning to look at that myself.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: repairing hard disk errors

Abby:

Try:

chkdsk [drivename]: /r

If this is run on the system drive, you will need to confirm that you
want chkdsk to run, the next time the system starts.

Depending on the size of the drive on which you perform chkdsk with
the /r switch, be prepared to wait for some considerable time for the
program to do its work.

Last week, I performed a chkdsk /r command on a 1TB drive, it took
several hours for chkdsk to complete the task.

The fact that chkdsk provides no reports in a file you can access,
especially if you run chkdsk on the system drive, is one of the main
reasons I do not like using this program to check my storage media.

Has anyone come across an alternative program to chkdsk or, is anyone
using an alternative program they are using, which is accessible using
a screen-reader they can recommend?

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

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From: "Abby Vincent" <aevincent@ca.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:40 PM
Subject: repairing hard disk errors


My computer seems to be running OK. However, I keep getting a
message that says Windows has detected a hard disk error. I am
running carbonite, so that should take care of backup.



The one program I know about is chkdsk/f. I had to run it as part
of my boot up. It doesn't give me a report. I just end up where I
usually do, and I'm still getting the same error message.



Does anyone know of a program I can use to try to find and correct
whatever problem, if any, I have? The famous Norton Disk Doctor is
no more, and there's a plethora of freeware.



Abby

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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 19:44:56 +0000
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
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I'd forgotten that, Ann; thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Alt+control++i toggles between over-type and insert modes.
At 11:19 AM 3/4/2013, you wrote:
Try overtype mode. JAWS-3 allows the next keystroke to pass through to
the application. Hit JAWS-F3, then the regular Ins key. This should
take the program into overtype mode.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisa
Larges
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 11:11 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by
inserting underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the
underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I
usually just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined
text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Message: 28
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:45:38 -0600
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws
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Kim,
My advice is to not fight with the submenus. I have tried them repeatedly
with JAWS, Window-Eyes and NVDA, and sometimes they work and sometimes they
don't. The accessible page has all of the submenu choices, so if you need
any of these links, use that page.

The accessible page also has a link to Advanced Search. In this search
form, there are edit fields for title, author, etc. I keep saying
accessible page because I don't really think there is a separate site. The
page just works around the submenus.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws


I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 29
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 20:02:21 +0000
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms
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That's pretty much what I do when filling in a template around here.

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Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:10 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Dani,

Likely not. The number of underscore characters are usually just put there
to make the form visually-balanced. Of course more are placed there for a
full name than for a postal code. And the underscore is a fixed-width
character and pretty wide, I'm thinking, whereas the typical font used
(Times Roman) is proportionally-spaced and sized, so a one-to-one result
will not occur in the printed or WYSIWYG presentation.

I usually type what I need, select the underscores, hit delete, and add one
blank space.

Again if an underline effect is desired, then go back and use the underline
attribute (Ctrl+u).

But in general, I probably butcher most forms when I fill them out,
especially if there are more than one label/blank on each line of the page.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dani L Pagador" <axs.brl@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 11:03
Subject: RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms


Hi, Dave and Lisa.
Alt+Ctrl+I will toggle between Insert and Overwrite.
Is the number of underlines used in the space equal to how many characters
can be typed there? I've always wondered that.
HTH,
Dani

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Lisa,

In addition to Ted's tip, which does allow you to overtype, if you want the
result to be underlined, then you need to go back and highlight what you
typed, and press Ctrl+U.

Don't forget to go back to insert mode when you're done.

Also I think there's a keyboard shortcut for toggling the insert mode.
Perhaps try the JAWS+H to see if it comes up there.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 08:11
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms


Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by inserting
underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I usually
just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Message: 30
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:24:51 -0500
From: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws
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Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and that in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 31
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:00:04 -0600
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws
Message-ID: <2DF7B49504FF4CA1AF4C2EB4577AA39E@Gary0>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Adrian,
The instructions on the elements with the submenus say to use the Pass
Through Key and then the Spacebar. In the Desktop Layout, this combination
is The Insert Key plus 3 on the number row. As mentioned in a previous
post, sometimes you will get a submenu after following these instructions,
and sometimes you won't. Audible knew they'd get complaints from blind
people, which is why they created our special page. Did you know that your
account details are on one of those submenus? If they don't work , you must

use our special page to get to them. Aren't you glad now that they created
a special page just for us?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and that
in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus
spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on
each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 32
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:20:21 -0500
From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@bmo.com>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws
Message-ID:

<C4C4275394269D4C92AD935948D25B9601C46AAF2A@BMFGEXCMBX06.adroot.bmogc.net>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Is it really expedient to create "special pages for the special folks"?
Would it not pay these people to just create a accessable page in the first
place?
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: March 4, 2013 4:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Adrian,
The instructions on the elements with the submenus say to use the Pass
Through Key and then the Spacebar. In the Desktop Layout, this combination
is The Insert Key plus 3 on the number row. As mentioned in a previous
post, sometimes you will get a submenu after following these instructions,
and sometimes you won't. Audible knew they'd get complaints from blind
people, which is why they created our special page. Did you know that your
account details are on one of those submenus? If they don't work , you must
use our special page to get to them. Aren't you glad now that they created
a special page just for us?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and that
in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus
spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on
each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

_______________________________________________
Jfw mailing list
Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
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Message: 33
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:39:21 -0500
From: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws
Message-ID: <025c01ce1920$beadc470$3c094d50$@AdrianSpratt.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi, Gary.

I know what the pass-through key combo is, and I was just reporting my
experience with those particular links. However, I didn't try to access my
account. I would be very unhappy if Audible has, indeed, set it up so that
we're forced to use the so-called accessible version. Amazon, parent of
audible, has a similar accessible page option. I believe it sets a very bad
example. As Tom has just suggested, our emphasis ought to be on making the
main pages of any website properly accessible, not having our surfing
confined to some distant corner of the Internet. Most of us know where that
leads. Get out your Ouija boards and ask the justices behind the 1954 Brown
v. board of Education decision.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Adrian,
The instructions on the elements with the submenus say to use the Pass
Through Key and then the Spacebar. In the Desktop Layout, this combination
is The Insert Key plus 3 on the number row. As mentioned in a previous
post, sometimes you will get a submenu after following these instructions,
and sometimes you won't. Audible knew they'd get complaints from blind
people, which is why they created our special page. Did you know that your
account details are on one of those submenus? If they don't work , you must

use our special page to get to them. Aren't you glad now that they created
a special page just for us?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and that
in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus
spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on
each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 34
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:36:12 -0600
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws
Message-ID: <D3585436A26847739E9E660762C81BD9@Gary0>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Your account details are in the submenu that's attached to your greeting at
the top of the regular home page. If you try that submenu enough times,
you'll probably get lucky. I played with the submenus for a couple of hours

with 3 different screen readers when I found out about them, and I never
discovered a pattern in the successes versus failures. It doesn't look like

much testing with screen readers was done before they rolled out those
submenus.

I'm afraid that what we have now with Audible is to be expected from Amazon.

They were forced to make the Kindle somewhat accessible, and their efforts
at accessibility with the Kindle for PC program have been less than stellar.

I have been trying for months to get Amazon to make their Prime Instant
Videos more accessible by using a standard button or link to start the
stream instead of the custom graphical button they use now, but I haven't
had any luck.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 3:39 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi, Gary.

I know what the pass-through key combo is, and I was just reporting my
experience with those particular links. However, I didn't try to access my
account. I would be very unhappy if Audible has, indeed, set it up so that
we're forced to use the so-called accessible version. Amazon, parent of
audible, has a similar accessible page option. I believe it sets a very
bad
example. As Tom has just suggested, our emphasis ought to be on making the
main pages of any website properly accessible, not having our surfing
confined to some distant corner of the Internet. Most of us know where
that
leads. Get out your Ouija boards and ask the justices behind the 1954
Brown
v. board of Education decision.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Adrian,
The instructions on the elements with the submenus say to use the Pass
Through Key and then the Spacebar. In the Desktop Layout, this
combination
is The Insert Key plus 3 on the number row. As mentioned in a previous
post, sometimes you will get a submenu after following these instructions,
and sometimes you won't. Audible knew they'd get complaints from blind
people, which is why they created our special page. Did you know that
your
account details are on one of those submenus? If they don't work , you
must

use our special page to get to them. Aren't you glad now that they
created
a special page just for us?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was
looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and that
in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus
spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on
each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the
Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it
has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the
site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 35
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:14:48 -0800
From: "Kevin Lee" <kleeva5@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: strange happening
Message-ID: <A99B7560E3E24824B63F646DD0A0C5EF@OwnerPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I?m not sure if this is from a jaws keystroke but one of my folders the
contents list group box collapse or expanded. and it list one of those
with each of the icons I have. so I would have double the items in the
folder. how do I remove that cuz I know I pressed something unknowingly.
email is golden!
Kevin
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Message: 36
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:36:03 -0800
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: strange happening
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Kevin,

Outlook Express, Windows Mail, Windows Live Mail, Thunderbird, Eudora,
Outlook?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Lee" <kleeva5@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 15:14
Subject: strange happening


I?m not sure if this is from a jaws keystroke but one of my folders the
contents list group box collapse or expanded. and it list one of those
with each of the icons I have. so I would have double the items in the
folder. how do I remove that cuz I know I pressed something unknowingly.
email is golden!
Kevin
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Message: 37
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:55:53 -0800
From: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws
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I use audible several times throughout the week and dispite noticing the
change with sub menus, I haven't had any problems navigating and getting to
where I want on the main page. What parts of the site specifically have the
most navigation problems. Just interested.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Your account details are in the submenu that's attached to your greeting at
the top of the regular home page. If you try that submenu enough times,
you'll probably get lucky. I played with the submenus for a couple of hours
with 3 different screen readers when I found out about them, and I never
discovered a pattern in the successes versus failures. It doesn't look like
much testing with screen readers was done before they rolled out those
submenus.

I'm afraid that what we have now with Audible is to be expected from Amazon.

They were forced to make the Kindle somewhat accessible, and their efforts
at accessibility with the Kindle for PC program have been less than stellar.

I have been trying for months to get Amazon to make their Prime Instant
Videos more accessible by using a standard button or link to start the
stream instead of the custom graphical button they use now, but I haven't
had any luck.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 3:39 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi, Gary.

I know what the pass-through key combo is, and I was just reporting my
experience with those particular links. However, I didn't try to access my
account. I would be very unhappy if Audible has, indeed, set it up so that
we're forced to use the so-called accessible version. Amazon, parent of
audible, has a similar accessible page option. I believe it sets a very
bad
example. As Tom has just suggested, our emphasis ought to be on making the
main pages of any website properly accessible, not having our surfing
confined to some distant corner of the Internet. Most of us know where
that
leads. Get out your Ouija boards and ask the justices behind the 1954
Brown
v. board of Education decision.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Adrian,
The instructions on the elements with the submenus say to use the Pass
Through Key and then the Spacebar. In the Desktop Layout, this
combination
is The Insert Key plus 3 on the number row. As mentioned in a previous
post, sometimes you will get a submenu after following these instructions,
and sometimes you won't. Audible knew they'd get complaints from blind
people, which is why they created our special page. Did you know that
your
account details are on one of those submenus? If they don't work , you
must

use our special page to get to them. Aren't you glad now that they
created
a special page just for us?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was
looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and that
in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus
spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on
each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the
Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it
has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the
site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Message: 38
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:42:12 -0800
From: "Patrick L. Steggall" <lynnstggll@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Info on a new program...
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Hello fellow groupies,
My name is Patrick and I subscribe to a freeware news letter called
Gizmo's Freeware. They recently sent me a message with a new malware
defender called "sandboxie" and I needed to know if anyone has dealt with
said program with jaws?They make this program sound simpler than it
obviously is; however, I just wanted to look into this one. I now use
Microsoft security essentials as well as super anti-spyware and am not even
convinced I would need any more protection...
This "sandboxie" sounds real good, but I want to be cautious as we
should be in any case, right?

Thanks so much, Patrick...


"There are none so blind, as those who refuse to ssee."
-Patrick Steggall MSW-





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Message: 39
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 20:28:08 -0600
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws
Message-ID: <9B3319FFC1EA42DE8681BB802B04AC49@Gary0>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Drew,
Other than someone mentioning that they didn't like how the search had
changed, I don't recall that any particular navigation problems were pointed

out. What started this thread was a JAWS user's general frustration with
the new layout and a request for some tips on how to navigate it.

Have you tried the submenus, and did they work consistently for you with
JAWS? If they're not working for you, have you found any other way to get
to your Account Details other than via the new accessible page? That could
become important if you ever need to change your member plan, billing
options or password. Other links on the accessible page are also choices on

the 3 new submenus.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 5:55 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


I use audible several times throughout the week and dispite noticing the
change with sub menus, I haven't had any problems navigating and getting
to
where I want on the main page. What parts of the site specifically have
the
most navigation problems. Just interested.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Your account details are in the submenu that's attached to your greeting
at
the top of the regular home page. If you try that submenu enough times,
you'll probably get lucky. I played with the submenus for a couple of
hours
with 3 different screen readers when I found out about them, and I never
discovered a pattern in the successes versus failures. It doesn't look
like
much testing with screen readers was done before they rolled out those
submenus.

I'm afraid that what we have now with Audible is to be expected from
Amazon.

They were forced to make the Kindle somewhat accessible, and their efforts
at accessibility with the Kindle for PC program have been less than
stellar.

I have been trying for months to get Amazon to make their Prime Instant
Videos more accessible by using a standard button or link to start the
stream instead of the custom graphical button they use now, but I haven't
had any luck.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 3:39 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi, Gary.

I know what the pass-through key combo is, and I was just reporting my
experience with those particular links. However, I didn't try to access
my
account. I would be very unhappy if Audible has, indeed, set it up so
that
we're forced to use the so-called accessible version. Amazon, parent of
audible, has a similar accessible page option. I believe it sets a very
bad
example. As Tom has just suggested, our emphasis ought to be on making
the
main pages of any website properly accessible, not having our surfing
confined to some distant corner of the Internet. Most of us know where
that
leads. Get out your Ouija boards and ask the justices behind the 1954
Brown
v. board of Education decision.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Adrian,
The instructions on the elements with the submenus say to use the Pass
Through Key and then the Spacebar. In the Desktop Layout, this
combination
is The Insert Key plus 3 on the number row. As mentioned in a previous
post, sometimes you will get a submenu after following these
instructions,
and sometimes you won't. Audible knew they'd get complaints from blind
people, which is why they created our special page. Did you know that
your
account details are on one of those submenus? If they don't work , you
must

use our special page to get to them. Aren't you glad now that they
created
a special page just for us?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find
it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among
author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of
the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was
looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and
that
in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus
spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on
each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to
just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the
Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it
has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS
either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page
because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The
regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the
site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I agree, Tom. Adobe learned that lesson several years ago. Remember the old AR plug-in?

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:20 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws

Is it really expedient to create "special pages for the special folks"? Would it not pay these people to just create a accessable page in the first place?
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: March 4, 2013 4:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Adrian,
The instructions on the elements with the submenus say to use the Pass Through Key and then the Spacebar. In the Desktop Layout, this combination is The Insert Key plus 3 on the number row. As mentioned in a previous post, sometimes you will get a submenu after following these instructions, and sometimes you won't. Audible knew they'd get complaints from blind people, which is why they created our special page. Did you know that your account details are on one of those submenus? If they don't work , you must use our special page to get to them. Aren't you glad now that they created a special page just for us?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find
it has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among
author, title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the
name of the author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly
whom I was looking for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and
that in order to access those options, you must press the access key
plus spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on
each of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to
just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the
new submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the
Library link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and
other screen readers even though they give you instructions for
activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it
has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS
either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page
because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The
regular home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type
of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the
site since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having
a difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Re: Synthesiser Number Processing

David Whitehead <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

hello there;
if your wanting to hear;
9 thousand 9 hundred ninety nine,
instead of 9 9 9 9, do the following,

1, insert+f2=run jaws manager.

2, now down arrow until you hear;
settings center,
or, simply press the letter |"s" until you hear settings center press enter.

3, your now placed into an edit box,
type in;
digits,
there will be one results,
now first press ctrl+shift+d=default,
4, now press the f6key,
you will hear;
speak single digits,
hear you need to choose controled by sinthiser, now tab okay press enter.

now you should be able to read,
97546

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 6:33 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Synthesiser Number Processing

Mike:

While your procedure is flawless, its results are not. I am having the
same problem in 13. No matter what setting I choose, numbers of five
or more digits continue to be pronounced as single digits.

On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:37:58 -0800, you wrote:

Hi Darran,

Try the following:
1. Go into the Settings Center with , Insert + 6, on the number row above
the main keyboard & then, control, shift, + D, for the default all
applications.
2. Arrow down to, Text Processing, & press right arrow to open.
3. Arrow down to, Number & Date Processing, & right arrow to open.
4. Arrow down to, Number Processing, controlled by synthesizer, & press the
spacebar to toggle your way through the options. Keep pressing the
spacebar
until you hear Jaws report the setting you want. You can also press the,
F6
key, & there will be a list box you can up or down arrow to your choice.
5. After you've made your selection tab to apply, press the spacebar, tab
to
okay, press the spacebar to save your changes & close the Settings Center.

HTH
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Darran Ross
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:54 AM
Subject: Synthesiser Number Processing


Hi List.

I'm trying to find whereabouts in the synthesiser settings I go to have a
look at what is set for the default in regard to number processing. When I
bring up numerical processing in the settings centre, I see that controlled
by the synthesiser is an option, but I can't for the life of me find the
appropriate area in JAWS to alter this!

I don't think I've explained myself very well here, but if anyone thinks
they've got the gist of it, I'd appreciate some guidance.

Many thanks.

Darran
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Microsoft Outlook

Angie Hiser
 

Hi,

I am using Jaws 14, Windows 8, with Outlook 10. For some reason I cannot
seem to find my deleted messages. I am going crazy looking for them. Can
someone please help me. My deleted box is empty.

Thanks,

Angie

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Re: Synthesiser Number Processing

Adrian Spratt
 

Which synthesizer are you using? Mine won't let JAWS dictate numerical
processing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 6:33 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Synthesiser Number Processing

Mike:

While your procedure is flawless, its results are not. I am having the
same problem in 13. No matter what setting I choose, numbers of five
or more digits continue to be pronounced as single digits.

On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:37:58 -0800, you wrote:

Hi Darran,

Try the following:
1. Go into the Settings Center with , Insert + 6, on the number row above
the main keyboard & then, control, shift, + D, for the default all
applications.
2. Arrow down to, Text Processing, & press right arrow to open.
3. Arrow down to, Number & Date Processing, & right arrow to open.
4. Arrow down to, Number Processing, controlled by synthesizer, & press the
spacebar to toggle your way through the options. Keep pressing the
spacebar
until you hear Jaws report the setting you want. You can also press the,
F6
key, & there will be a list box you can up or down arrow to your choice.
5. After you've made your selection tab to apply, press the spacebar, tab
to
okay, press the spacebar to save your changes & close the Settings Center.

HTH
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Darran Ross
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:54 AM
Subject: Synthesiser Number Processing


Hi List.

I'm trying to find whereabouts in the synthesiser settings I go to have a
look at what is set for the default in regard to number processing. When I
bring up numerical processing in the settings centre, I see that controlled
by the synthesiser is an option, but I can't for the life of me find the
appropriate area in JAWS to alter this!

I don't think I've explained myself very well here, but if anyone thinks
they've got the gist of it, I'd appreciate some guidance.

Many thanks.

Darran
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Re: Synthesiser Number Processing

Steve Matzura
 

Mike:

While your procedure is flawless, its results are not. I am having the
same problem in 13. No matter what setting I choose, numbers of five
or more digits continue to be pronounced as single digits.

On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:37:58 -0800, you wrote:

Hi Darran,

Try the following:
1. Go into the Settings Center with , Insert + 6, on the number row above
the main keyboard & then, control, shift, + D, for the default all
applications.
2. Arrow down to, Text Processing, & press right arrow to open.
3. Arrow down to, Number & Date Processing, & right arrow to open.
4. Arrow down to, Number Processing, controlled by synthesizer, & press the
spacebar to toggle your way through the options. Keep pressing the spacebar
until you hear Jaws report the setting you want. You can also press the, F6
key, & there will be a list box you can up or down arrow to your choice.
5. After you've made your selection tab to apply, press the spacebar, tab to
okay, press the spacebar to save your changes & close the Settings Center.

HTH
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Darran Ross
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:54 AM
Subject: Synthesiser Number Processing


Hi List.

I'm trying to find whereabouts in the synthesiser settings I go to have a
look at what is set for the default in regard to number processing. When I
bring up numerical processing in the settings centre, I see that controlled
by the synthesiser is an option, but I can't for the life of me find the
appropriate area in JAWS to alter this!

I don't think I've explained myself very well here, but if anyone thinks
they've got the gist of it, I'd appreciate some guidance.

Many thanks.

Darran
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Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Steve Matzura
 

Word documents are not forms. You can easily overextend any field
through use of overstrike mode where underscores are placed for the
convenience of those using a pen to fill it out, thus destroying the
rest of the layout. I used to do that regularly in forms where ZIP
codes were requested, supplying our new (and largely unused)
nine-digit codes that actually take up ten spaces in a box with only
five underscore characters!

On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:10:16 -0800, you wrote:

Dani,

Likely not. The number of underscore characters are usually just put there
to make the form visually-balanced. Of course more are placed there for a
full name than for a postal code. And the underscore is a fixed-width
character and pretty wide, I'm thinking, whereas the typical font used
(Times Roman) is proportionally-spaced and sized, so a one-to-one result
will not occur in the printed or WYSIWYG presentation.

I usually type what I need, select the underscores, hit delete, and add one
blank space.

Again if an underline effect is desired, then go back and use the underline
attribute (Ctrl+u).

But in general, I probably butcher most forms when I fill them out,
especially if there are more than one label/blank on each line of the page.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dani L Pagador" <axs.brl@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 11:03
Subject: RE: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms


Hi, Dave and Lisa.
Alt+Ctrl+I will toggle between Insert and Overwrite.
Is the number of underlines used in the space equal to how many characters
can be typed there? I've always wondered that.
HTH,
Dani

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Lisa,

In addition to Ted's tip, which does allow you to overtype, if you want the
result to be underlined, then you need to go back and highlight what you
typed, and press Ctrl+U.

Don't forget to go back to insert mode when you're done.

Also I think there's a keyboard shortcut for toggling the insert mode.
Perhaps try the JAWS+H to see if it comes up there.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa Larges" <llarges@tamfs.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 08:11
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms


Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by inserting
underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I usually
just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Re: Info on a new program...

Dave...
 

They sent you the message? Run, don't walk away from that. You can't trust
what you don't seek out for yourself.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

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To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 16:42
Subject: Info on a new program...



Hello fellow groupies,
My name is Patrick and I subscribe to a freeware news letter called
Gizmo's Freeware. They recently sent me a message with a new malware
defender called "sandboxie" and I needed to know if anyone has dealt with
said program with jaws?They make this program sound simpler than it
obviously is; however, I just wanted to look into this one. I now use
Microsoft security essentials as well as super anti-spyware and am not even
convinced I would need any more protection...
This "sandboxie" sounds real good, but I want to be cautious as we
should be in any case, right?

Thanks so much, Patrick...


"There are none so blind, as those who refuse to ssee."
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Re: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms

Tom Lange
 

Hi Lisa,
I helped a student out with that kind of form today. Here's what I told him to do:
1. Go to the beginning of the field, starting with the first underscore.
2. Press ctrl+shift+right arrow to highlight all of the underscores. When you do this, an editing cursor appears around the entire field.
3. Begin typing the answer. All of the underscores will disappear as text is typed.

When text entry is finished, move on to the next field and repeat the process described above. You won't necessarily get the text on top of the underscores, but, if you like, you can turn underline on (press ctrl+u) before text entry and you might get a similar effect.

Hope this helps.
Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa Larges" <llarges@tamfs.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:11 AM
Subject: Writing over Underlines in mS Word Forms


Hi Friends,

I'm using JAWS 14, Windows 7, and Word 2007.

I am looking to fill out a form in MS Word that was created by inserting
underlines in the places where the text should go.

Is there a way of entering text so that it appears on top of the underlines?
Normally, inserting text just moves the underlines.

I come across this often, and haven't figured out a way to do it. I usually
just delete the underlines that are there and put in underlined text,

I thought there might be a solution I don't know about.

Thanks all.

Lisa



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Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Drew Hunthausen
 

Gary,
Thanks for the clarification; I obviously missed the beginning of this
thread. I'm not sure when the site actually changed format, but I'm sure
that I haven't had to change my plan details since July so that's why I
haven't had to encounter the sub menu problems. Thanks again

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 6:28 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Drew,
Other than someone mentioning that they didn't like how the search had
changed, I don't recall that any particular navigation problems were pointed
out. What started this thread was a JAWS user's general frustration with
the new layout and a request for some tips on how to navigate it.

Have you tried the submenus, and did they work consistently for you with
JAWS? If they're not working for you, have you found any other way to get
to your Account Details other than via the new accessible page? That could
become important if you ever need to change your member plan, billing
options or password. Other links on the accessible page are also choices on
the 3 new submenus.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 5:55 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


I use audible several times throughout the week and dispite noticing the
change with sub menus, I haven't had any problems navigating and getting
to
where I want on the main page. What parts of the site specifically have
the
most navigation problems. Just interested.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Your account details are in the submenu that's attached to your greeting
at
the top of the regular home page. If you try that submenu enough times,
you'll probably get lucky. I played with the submenus for a couple of
hours
with 3 different screen readers when I found out about them, and I never
discovered a pattern in the successes versus failures. It doesn't look
like
much testing with screen readers was done before they rolled out those
submenus.

I'm afraid that what we have now with Audible is to be expected from
Amazon.

They were forced to make the Kindle somewhat accessible, and their efforts
at accessibility with the Kindle for PC program have been less than
stellar.

I have been trying for months to get Amazon to make their Prime Instant
Videos more accessible by using a standard button or link to start the
stream instead of the custom graphical button they use now, but I haven't
had any luck.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 3:39 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi, Gary.

I know what the pass-through key combo is, and I was just reporting my
experience with those particular links. However, I didn't try to access
my
account. I would be very unhappy if Audible has, indeed, set it up so
that
we're forced to use the so-called accessible version. Amazon, parent of
audible, has a similar accessible page option. I believe it sets a very
bad
example. As Tom has just suggested, our emphasis ought to be on making
the
main pages of any website properly accessible, not having our surfing
confined to some distant corner of the Internet. Most of us know where
that
leads. Get out your Ouija boards and ask the justices behind the 1954
Brown
v. board of Education decision.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Adrian,
The instructions on the elements with the submenus say to use the Pass
Through Key and then the Spacebar. In the Desktop Layout, this
combination
is The Insert Key plus 3 on the number row. As mentioned in a previous
post, sometimes you will get a submenu after following these
instructions,
and sometimes you won't. Audible knew they'd get complaints from blind
people, which is why they created our special page. Did you know that
your
account details are on one of those submenus? If they don't work , you
must

use our special page to get to them. Aren't you glad now that they
created
a special page just for us?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find
it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among
author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of
the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was
looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and
that
in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus
spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on
each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to
just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the
Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it
has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS
either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page
because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The
regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the
site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Gary King
 

Drew,
Other than someone mentioning that they didn't like how the search had changed, I don't recall that any particular navigation problems were pointed out. What started this thread was a JAWS user's general frustration with the new layout and a request for some tips on how to navigate it.

Have you tried the submenus, and did they work consistently for you with JAWS? If they're not working for you, have you found any other way to get to your Account Details other than via the new accessible page? That could become important if you ever need to change your member plan, billing options or password. Other links on the accessible page are also choices on the 3 new submenus.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 5:55 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


I use audible several times throughout the week and dispite noticing the
change with sub menus, I haven't had any problems navigating and getting to
where I want on the main page. What parts of the site specifically have the
most navigation problems. Just interested.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Your account details are in the submenu that's attached to your greeting at
the top of the regular home page. If you try that submenu enough times,
you'll probably get lucky. I played with the submenus for a couple of hours
with 3 different screen readers when I found out about them, and I never
discovered a pattern in the successes versus failures. It doesn't look like
much testing with screen readers was done before they rolled out those
submenus.

I'm afraid that what we have now with Audible is to be expected from Amazon.

They were forced to make the Kindle somewhat accessible, and their efforts
at accessibility with the Kindle for PC program have been less than stellar.

I have been trying for months to get Amazon to make their Prime Instant
Videos more accessible by using a standard button or link to start the
stream instead of the custom graphical button they use now, but I haven't
had any luck.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 3:39 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi, Gary.

I know what the pass-through key combo is, and I was just reporting my
experience with those particular links. However, I didn't try to access my
account. I would be very unhappy if Audible has, indeed, set it up so that
we're forced to use the so-called accessible version. Amazon, parent of
audible, has a similar accessible page option. I believe it sets a very
bad
example. As Tom has just suggested, our emphasis ought to be on making the
main pages of any website properly accessible, not having our surfing
confined to some distant corner of the Internet. Most of us know where
that
leads. Get out your Ouija boards and ask the justices behind the 1954
Brown
v. board of Education decision.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Adrian,
The instructions on the elements with the submenus say to use the Pass
Through Key and then the Spacebar. In the Desktop Layout, this
combination
is The Insert Key plus 3 on the number row. As mentioned in a previous
post, sometimes you will get a submenu after following these instructions,
and sometimes you won't. Audible knew they'd get complaints from blind
people, which is why they created our special page. Did you know that
your
account details are on one of those submenus? If they don't work , you
must

use our special page to get to them. Aren't you glad now that they
created
a special page just for us?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was
looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and that
in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus
spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on
each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the
Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it
has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the
site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Info on a new program...

Patrick L. Steggall <lynnstggll@...>
 

Hello fellow groupies,
My name is Patrick and I subscribe to a freeware news letter called
Gizmo's Freeware. They recently sent me a message with a new malware
defender called "sandboxie" and I needed to know if anyone has dealt with
said program with jaws?They make this program sound simpler than it
obviously is; however, I just wanted to look into this one. I now use
Microsoft security essentials as well as super anti-spyware and am not even
convinced I would need any more protection...
This "sandboxie" sounds real good, but I want to be cautious as we
should be in any case, right?

Thanks so much, Patrick...


"There are none so blind, as those who refuse to ssee."
-Patrick Steggall MSW-


Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Drew Hunthausen
 

I use audible several times throughout the week and dispite noticing the
change with sub menus, I haven't had any problems navigating and getting to
where I want on the main page. What parts of the site specifically have the
most navigation problems. Just interested.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Your account details are in the submenu that's attached to your greeting at
the top of the regular home page. If you try that submenu enough times,
you'll probably get lucky. I played with the submenus for a couple of hours
with 3 different screen readers when I found out about them, and I never
discovered a pattern in the successes versus failures. It doesn't look like
much testing with screen readers was done before they rolled out those
submenus.

I'm afraid that what we have now with Audible is to be expected from Amazon.

They were forced to make the Kindle somewhat accessible, and their efforts
at accessibility with the Kindle for PC program have been less than stellar.

I have been trying for months to get Amazon to make their Prime Instant
Videos more accessible by using a standard button or link to start the
stream instead of the custom graphical button they use now, but I haven't
had any luck.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 3:39 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi, Gary.

I know what the pass-through key combo is, and I was just reporting my
experience with those particular links. However, I didn't try to access my
account. I would be very unhappy if Audible has, indeed, set it up so that
we're forced to use the so-called accessible version. Amazon, parent of
audible, has a similar accessible page option. I believe it sets a very
bad
example. As Tom has just suggested, our emphasis ought to be on making the
main pages of any website properly accessible, not having our surfing
confined to some distant corner of the Internet. Most of us know where
that
leads. Get out your Ouija boards and ask the justices behind the 1954
Brown
v. board of Education decision.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Adrian,
The instructions on the elements with the submenus say to use the Pass
Through Key and then the Spacebar. In the Desktop Layout, this
combination
is The Insert Key plus 3 on the number row. As mentioned in a previous
post, sometimes you will get a submenu after following these instructions,
and sometimes you won't. Audible knew they'd get complaints from blind
people, which is why they created our special page. Did you know that
your
account details are on one of those submenus? If they don't work , you
must

use our special page to get to them. Aren't you glad now that they
created
a special page just for us?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was
looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and that
in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus
spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on
each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the
Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it
has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the
site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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Re: strange happening

Dave...
 

Kevin,

Outlook Express, Windows Mail, Windows Live Mail, Thunderbird, Eudora,
Outlook?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Lee" <kleeva5@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 15:14
Subject: strange happening


I’m not sure if this is from a jaws keystroke but one of my folders the
contents list group box collapse or expanded. and it list one of those
with each of the icons I have. so I would have double the items in the
folder. how do I remove that cuz I know I pressed something unknowingly.
email is golden!
Kevin
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strange happening

Kevin Lee <kleeva5@...>
 

I’m not sure if this is from a jaws keystroke but one of my folders the contents list group box collapse or expanded. and it list one of those with each of the icons I have. so I would have double the items in the folder. how do I remove that cuz I know I pressed something unknowingly.
email is golden!
Kevin
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Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Gary King
 

Your account details are in the submenu that's attached to your greeting at the top of the regular home page. If you try that submenu enough times, you'll probably get lucky. I played with the submenus for a couple of hours with 3 different screen readers when I found out about them, and I never discovered a pattern in the successes versus failures. It doesn't look like much testing with screen readers was done before they rolled out those submenus.

I'm afraid that what we have now with Audible is to be expected from Amazon. They were forced to make the Kindle somewhat accessible, and their efforts at accessibility with the Kindle for PC program have been less than stellar.

I have been trying for months to get Amazon to make their Prime Instant Videos more accessible by using a standard button or link to start the stream instead of the custom graphical button they use now, but I haven't had any luck.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 3:39 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi, Gary.

I know what the pass-through key combo is, and I was just reporting my
experience with those particular links. However, I didn't try to access my
account. I would be very unhappy if Audible has, indeed, set it up so that
we're forced to use the so-called accessible version. Amazon, parent of
audible, has a similar accessible page option. I believe it sets a very bad
example. As Tom has just suggested, our emphasis ought to be on making the
main pages of any website properly accessible, not having our surfing
confined to some distant corner of the Internet. Most of us know where that
leads. Get out your Ouija boards and ask the justices behind the 1954 Brown
v. board of Education decision.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

Adrian,
The instructions on the elements with the submenus say to use the Pass
Through Key and then the Spacebar. In the Desktop Layout, this combination
is The Insert Key plus 3 on the number row. As mentioned in a previous
post, sometimes you will get a submenu after following these instructions,
and sometimes you won't. Audible knew they'd get complaints from blind
people, which is why they created our special page. Did you know that your
account details are on one of those submenus? If they don't work , you must

use our special page to get to them. Aren't you glad now that they created
a special page just for us?

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Audible.com site with Jaws


Coincidentally, I've just had to order a book from Audible, and I find it
has changed very recently. The combo box that gave a choice among author,
title, phrase, etc., has gone. Even so, I just plugged in the name of the
author, without quotes, and Audible figured out exactly whom I was looking
for.

I also notice at least two links that state they contain options and that
in
order to access those options, you must press the access key plus
spacebar.
I tried that and didn't detect any options. However, pressing enter on
each
of those links took me where I wanted to go.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Audible.com site with Jaws

I haven't tried it with Jaws 13 but I will certainly do that. I've
been a member of audible for ten years and I've never been so
frustrated as I am with this new site.

The submenus are giving me fits and the "add to cart" links don't seem
to work consistently. Also, the new search is much harder to use than
the old one wherein you could search on title, author or key word.

I'm going to send audible an email about the lousy accessibility (and
the bone they threw us with that supposedly accessible site).

Any tips will be much appreciated.

Kim

On 3/4/13, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Kim,
The accessible page that Audible so kindly provided for us seems to just
be

a way to get to the areas of the site that appear as choices on the new
submenus. These submenus that are attached to your greeting, the Library
link, and the Shop Audible link don't work well with JAWS and other
screen
readers even though they give you instructions for activation. By the
way,

the Library link replaces the old My Library link, and even though it has
a

submenu attached to it, it is accessed in the usual way with JAWS either
by

pressing Enter or by activating it in the list of links.

The accessible page is less cluttered than the regular home page because
it

doesn't have the long lists of suggested books and authors. The regular
home page, though cluttered, is quite accessible. What type of content
are

you having trouble finding? You should probably use JFW 13 with the site
since that's the latest version you have.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1963@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:42 AM
Subject: Audible.com site with Jaws


Hi All,

If anyone has recently visited the audible.com site and successfully
navigated it with Jaws 12 or 13, I would love some tips. I am having a
difficult time with the new layout and simply don't find all the
content I want on the "accessible" version of the site.

Thanks in advance,
Kim

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