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cecropia64
 

HI FOLKS. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I'M NOT VERY UP ON ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS ONE CAN DO WITH JAWS. BUT I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT JAWS TUTORIALS. IS THERE ONE THAT COMES WITH JAWS AND HOW DO I ACCESS IT? I'M NOT THAT DUMB BUT I HAVEN'T REALLY EXPLORED JAWS LIKE I SHOULD HAVE AND I THINK I NEED TO DO SO NOW. A LITTLE LATE BUT NEVERTHELESS, I WANT TO KNOW AS MUCH ABOUT JAWS AS I CAN. THANKS.


Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Cynthia Bruce
 

Do you know what it is on a laptop? I have to admit I haven't used the mouse keys a lot.

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:48 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Cynthia,

I made a mistake. I said the JAWS left mouse click is done with the numpad
minus sign. I meant the numpad slash sign.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 7:36 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Thanks so much, I will definitely give this a try.

Cynthia

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:47 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Cynthia,

It happens that I've spent a good part of today working out flight dates for
a trip to Europe, so I've acquired quite a lot of experience with sites like
this since you posted.

As you know, you can't enter data directly into the pseudo edit fields for
dates. None of the other usually reliable tricks that Dave Carlson and
George B mention work on this site. The ability to enter dates isn't
dependent on what has been entered previously, and the calendar line under
the date fields can't be accessed with enter or the applications key.
However, just as Dave kept hammering away at those date fields with the
enter key and finally brought up the calendar, I also kept trying other
methods. It took a few minutes, but here's what works, along with the extent
to which it works.

If you place focus in the departure or return fields and press the left
mouse button (minus key on the numpad), the calendar appears.

The calendar partially conforms to accessibility standards. If you navigate
with control+alt+arrow keys, you will move in a linear fashion up and down.
However, JAWS won't speak the month or day. So, first locate the month you
want, then arrow down once or twice to the start of the table. Then, using
the table commands, arrow along the top row and the left column. You'll see
days are named along the top, and each row tracks the seven days of the
week. To test, I arbitrarily selected 9 within April and pressed the link.
(Each number is a link.) JAWS bounced me to the bottom of the page, but when
I returned to the edit field, there was my date selection: April 9, 2013.

A lot of work? You bet. I also couldn't find May. Perhaps this website
enables bookings only up to three months in advance.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:50 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

the website is
http://www.flightnetwork.com

It is on the main page and is, I think, the third edit box on the page. the
first two are departure city and arrival city.

Thanks,

Cynthia

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:42 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Sounds like a JAWS issue to me. Can you post the website address and any
hints how to get to the edit field? Maybe one or more listers will try it
out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

I agree, it worked perfectly. Unfortunately, it was apparently not the
problem for me. Maybe this isn't a JAWS issue, but my husband has no issue
on his computer - he is sighted.

So, my problem is that there is an edit box in which I am supposed to enter
departure and return dates. However, it is a read only edit box, so I can't
change the dates that are there.

Maybe not a JAWS issue?

Cynthia

-----Original Message-----
From: Doris and Chris
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Very clear and comprehensive instructions. Works perfectly. Now only
to get rid off the double speaking of the definition.

Thanks much.

Doris

At 10:21 AM 2/15/2013 -0800, you wrote:
Hi All,

Try the following to stop Jaws from saying, read only edit:

Do the following for the Settings Center in Jaws12 & 13;



1, Open the program you want to have this change made in.



2, press insert+6 on the numbers row,



3, now down arrow until you see / hear;

Speech and sound schemes,

Right arrow to open.



4,

Now down arrow and press the spacebar on,

Modify schemes...

Note if you press the enter key, you will be taken out of the modify scheme

button.

5, now tab and enter on,

Edit selected scheme button,



6, here you need to,

Shift+tab to general,



7, right arrow once you will hear;

Control type tab,

Tab one time into the listview,



8, now press the letter "r" until you hear;

Read only edit,

Now tab and use the down arrow key to select, ignore.

Now tab okay press enter.

Now again tab okay press enter.

Note you now will hear;

Modify Schemes

The current scheme has been modified and has not been saved. Would

you like to save it now?

Yes is highlighted press enter.

Tab okay press enter.



Now you shouldn't hear read only edit,



If you would like to make this a the default setting,

When you press insert+6 on the numbers row, and you, down arrow to

Speech and sound schemes,

Right arrow to open, now press,

Ctrl+shift+d=default.


Hope this helped.

Take care.
Mike
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Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Adrian Spratt
 

Cynthia,

I made a mistake. I said the JAWS left mouse click is done with the numpad
minus sign. I meant the numpad slash sign.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 7:36 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Thanks so much, I will definitely give this a try.

Cynthia

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:47 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Cynthia,

It happens that I've spent a good part of today working out flight dates for
a trip to Europe, so I've acquired quite a lot of experience with sites like
this since you posted.

As you know, you can't enter data directly into the pseudo edit fields for
dates. None of the other usually reliable tricks that Dave Carlson and
George B mention work on this site. The ability to enter dates isn't
dependent on what has been entered previously, and the calendar line under
the date fields can't be accessed with enter or the applications key.
However, just as Dave kept hammering away at those date fields with the
enter key and finally brought up the calendar, I also kept trying other
methods. It took a few minutes, but here's what works, along with the extent
to which it works.

If you place focus in the departure or return fields and press the left
mouse button (minus key on the numpad), the calendar appears.

The calendar partially conforms to accessibility standards. If you navigate
with control+alt+arrow keys, you will move in a linear fashion up and down.
However, JAWS won't speak the month or day. So, first locate the month you
want, then arrow down once or twice to the start of the table. Then, using
the table commands, arrow along the top row and the left column. You'll see
days are named along the top, and each row tracks the seven days of the
week. To test, I arbitrarily selected 9 within April and pressed the link.
(Each number is a link.) JAWS bounced me to the bottom of the page, but when
I returned to the edit field, there was my date selection: April 9, 2013.

A lot of work? You bet. I also couldn't find May. Perhaps this website
enables bookings only up to three months in advance.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:50 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

the website is
http://www.flightnetwork.com

It is on the main page and is, I think, the third edit box on the page. the
first two are departure city and arrival city.

Thanks,

Cynthia

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:42 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Sounds like a JAWS issue to me. Can you post the website address and any
hints how to get to the edit field? Maybe one or more listers will try it
out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

I agree, it worked perfectly. Unfortunately, it was apparently not the
problem for me. Maybe this isn't a JAWS issue, but my husband has no issue
on his computer - he is sighted.

So, my problem is that there is an edit box in which I am supposed to enter
departure and return dates. However, it is a read only edit box, so I can't
change the dates that are there.

Maybe not a JAWS issue?

Cynthia

-----Original Message-----
From: Doris and Chris
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Very clear and comprehensive instructions. Works perfectly. Now only
to get rid off the double speaking of the definition.

Thanks much.

Doris

At 10:21 AM 2/15/2013 -0800, you wrote:
Hi All,

Try the following to stop Jaws from saying, read only edit:

Do the following for the Settings Center in Jaws12 & 13;



1, Open the program you want to have this change made in.



2, press insert+6 on the numbers row,



3, now down arrow until you see / hear;

Speech and sound schemes,

Right arrow to open.



4,

Now down arrow and press the spacebar on,

Modify schemes...

Note if you press the enter key, you will be taken out of the modify scheme

button.

5, now tab and enter on,

Edit selected scheme button,



6, here you need to,

Shift+tab to general,



7, right arrow once you will hear;

Control type tab,

Tab one time into the listview,



8, now press the letter "r" until you hear;

Read only edit,

Now tab and use the down arrow key to select, ignore.

Now tab okay press enter.

Now again tab okay press enter.

Note you now will hear;

Modify Schemes

The current scheme has been modified and has not been saved. Would

you like to save it now?

Yes is highlighted press enter.

Tab okay press enter.



Now you shouldn't hear read only edit,



If you would like to make this a the default setting,

When you press insert+6 on the numbers row, and you, down arrow to

Speech and sound schemes,

Right arrow to open, now press,

Ctrl+shift+d=default.


Hope this helped.

Take care.
Mike
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Re: Google Docs with JAWS

Adrian Spratt
 

No one has replied to this query, so I'm copying a message that Ed Marquette
posted last September. Note that this would have been before the release of
JAWS 14, but I find no later messages on this subject in my files.

I have had no success with Google Docs with JAWS. About a month ago I
checked with a rehab teacher who agreed that Google Docs are not accessible
with
JAWS. I checked with GW Micro and Serotech, and they too threw up their
hands as far as Google Docs are concerned. I heard a podcast by Kevin Choe
demonstrating
Google Docs with NVDA with some special grease monkey add-on, but that
didn't work very well, and I visited with him subsequently with his
affirmation
that Google Docs are probably best accessed with Chrome Vox.
The only way I've been able to make any headway (and with great difficulty
at that) is with Google Chrome and Chrome Vox. In fact, that was why I
messed
with Google Chrome at all. As mentioned in an earlier post, Chrome Vox is
free and it sort of works.

You need to unload JAWS, though there are some JAWS scripts that allegedly
work with Chrome Vox, though they are in beta, and I have not tried them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kelby Carlson
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:16 PM
To: jfw@...
Subject: Google Docs with JAWS

Does anyone have any tips for using Google documents/drive with
JAWS 14? I haven't had much luck in the past.

Kelby S. Carlson

Vanderbilt University


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Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Cynthia Bruce
 

Thanks so much, I will definitely give this a try.

Cynthia

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:47 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Cynthia,

It happens that I've spent a good part of today working out flight dates for
a trip to Europe, so I've acquired quite a lot of experience with sites like
this since you posted.

As you know, you can't enter data directly into the pseudo edit fields for
dates. None of the other usually reliable tricks that Dave Carlson and
George B mention work on this site. The ability to enter dates isn't
dependent on what has been entered previously, and the calendar line under
the date fields can't be accessed with enter or the applications key.
However, just as Dave kept hammering away at those date fields with the
enter key and finally brought up the calendar, I also kept trying other
methods. It took a few minutes, but here's what works, along with the extent
to which it works.

If you place focus in the departure or return fields and press the left
mouse button (minus key on the numpad), the calendar appears.

The calendar partially conforms to accessibility standards. If you navigate
with control+alt+arrow keys, you will move in a linear fashion up and down.
However, JAWS won't speak the month or day. So, first locate the month you
want, then arrow down once or twice to the start of the table. Then, using
the table commands, arrow along the top row and the left column. You'll see
days are named along the top, and each row tracks the seven days of the
week. To test, I arbitrarily selected 9 within April and pressed the link.
(Each number is a link.) JAWS bounced me to the bottom of the page, but when
I returned to the edit field, there was my date selection: April 9, 2013.

A lot of work? You bet. I also couldn't find May. Perhaps this website
enables bookings only up to three months in advance.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:50 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

the website is
http://www.flightnetwork.com

It is on the main page and is, I think, the third edit box on the page. the
first two are departure city and arrival city.

Thanks,

Cynthia

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:42 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Sounds like a JAWS issue to me. Can you post the website address and any
hints how to get to the edit field? Maybe one or more listers will try it
out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

I agree, it worked perfectly. Unfortunately, it was apparently not the
problem for me. Maybe this isn't a JAWS issue, but my husband has no issue
on his computer - he is sighted.

So, my problem is that there is an edit box in which I am supposed to enter
departure and return dates. However, it is a read only edit box, so I can't
change the dates that are there.

Maybe not a JAWS issue?

Cynthia

-----Original Message-----
From: Doris and Chris
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Very clear and comprehensive instructions. Works perfectly. Now only
to get rid off the double speaking of the definition.

Thanks much.

Doris

At 10:21 AM 2/15/2013 -0800, you wrote:
Hi All,

Try the following to stop Jaws from saying, read only edit:

Do the following for the Settings Center in Jaws12 & 13;



1, Open the program you want to have this change made in.



2, press insert+6 on the numbers row,



3, now down arrow until you see / hear;

Speech and sound schemes,

Right arrow to open.



4,

Now down arrow and press the spacebar on,

Modify schemes...

Note if you press the enter key, you will be taken out of the modify scheme

button.

5, now tab and enter on,

Edit selected scheme button,



6, here you need to,

Shift+tab to general,



7, right arrow once you will hear;

Control type tab,

Tab one time into the listview,



8, now press the letter "r" until you hear;

Read only edit,

Now tab and use the down arrow key to select, ignore.

Now tab okay press enter.

Now again tab okay press enter.

Note you now will hear;

Modify Schemes

The current scheme has been modified and has not been saved. Would

you like to save it now?

Yes is highlighted press enter.

Tab okay press enter.



Now you shouldn't hear read only edit,



If you would like to make this a the default setting,

When you press insert+6 on the numbers row, and you, down arrow to

Speech and sound schemes,

Right arrow to open, now press,

Ctrl+shift+d=default.


Hope this helped.

Take care.
Mike
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Re: Balloons question

Adrian Spratt
 

In windows 7, I find the JAWS left mouse click works more reliably. This is
the slash key on the numpad.

An advantage of Windows 7 is that you can set the time these balloon
messages stay. Here's what Lisa Larges posted:

Type Ease of Access in to the search box in the start prompt. In the Ease of
Access Center go to "Make it easier to focus on tasks" and hit enter. Near
the end of the options that come up is a setting to adjust the time that
those balloons stay on screen. I adjusted mine to 1 minute which gives me
enough time to find them and click on them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Ari Damoulakis
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 3:35 AM
To: jfw@...
Subject: Baloons question

Hi everyone In Windows XP when balloons appeared you could access and
interact with them from the System Tray. Now, using JAWS and Windows 7 on a
laptop, what do I do when baloon notifications come up? I am trying to write
my notes in class and a message about the WIFI network is constantly
interupting me. Thanks Ari

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Re: Baloons question

Ari Damoulakis <aridamoulakis@...>
 

Thanks Cynthia, unfortunately that doesn't seem to work with these
kinds of balloons. It works fine with Internet Explorer but not with
Windows ones. I'm really not sure why.

On 2/16/13, Cynthia Bruce <cynthia.bruce@...> wrote:
For me, pressing the alt key +N takes me to the notification task bar where
I can interact with it.
Cynthia

Sent from my iPhone

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wrote:

Hi everyone
In Windows XP when balloons appeared you could access and interact
with them from the System Tray. Now, using JAWS and Windows 7 on a
laptop, what do I do when baloon notifications come up? I am trying to
write my notes in class and a message about the WIFI network is
constantly interupting me.
Thanks
Ari

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Re: Baloons question

Cynthia Bruce
 

For me, pressing the alt key +N takes me to the notification task bar where I can interact with it.
Cynthia

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 16, 2013, at 4:35 AM, Ari Damoulakis <aridamoulakis@...> wrote:

Hi everyone
In Windows XP when balloons appeared you could access and interact
with them from the System Tray. Now, using JAWS and Windows 7 on a
laptop, what do I do when baloon notifications come up? I am trying to
write my notes in class and a message about the WIFI network is
constantly interupting me.
Thanks
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Baloons question

Ari Damoulakis <aridamoulakis@...>
 

Hi everyone
In Windows XP when balloons appeared you could access and interact
with them from the System Tray. Now, using JAWS and Windows 7 on a
laptop, what do I do when baloon notifications come up? I am trying to
write my notes in class and a message about the WIFI network is
constantly interupting me.
Thanks
Ari


Re: face book

Dave...
 

Steve,

Not trying to defend Gary, but come on. If I sent a message to this list and
said "What is Windows" I would be violating the whole purpose of the list,
not to mention ignoring all the resources out there that can answer that
question.

This is a JAWS list, and asking "What is Facebook" is not only trivializing
the purpose of the list, but it also does not come close to being a
JAWS-related question.

Kevin can Google that question or put it into Wikipedia and get the answer.

I disagree with your contentions. The question is actually insulting, to be
absolutely candid.

Gary is a staunch contributor to this list and does not need your validation
to continue contributing -- nor mine.

Anyone who does not know what Facebook is, apparently does not listen to the
radio, TV, read papers, or talk to anyone outside their own 4 inside walls.
What on earth do they need with a computer?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Boodram" <steveboodram071@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 19:05
Subject: Re: face book


Hello Gary, not trying in any way to cushion Kevin's query but a lot of
people have just heard of facebook and do not know what it really is as they
are contented with basic computing. Facebook wasn't here in the late
Nineties so it has to be a second or even third generation method of
communicating especially to senior citizens.

In fact it was started by:
Mark Zuckerberg
who launched the site as a Harvard sophomore on February 4, 2004 and the
planet or universe whichever you choose to call it is much more than nine
years old.

Please try to be a little more civil in your response if your nature do not
permit you to be courteous to people.

All the man ask was what is Facebook and certainly did not deserve your
facetious reply.

I am probably not from this planet too since I don't understand what benefit
your response brings to the thread. Care to enlighten me since I may not
have mastered the spoken language as perfect as you do?

----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: face book


Kevin,
Which part of the galaxy are you from, and how long have you been on
earth? By the way, you have learned our language very well!

Gary King
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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 5:08 PM
Subject: face book


what in the world is face book? or did I mishear jaws?
email is golden!
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Re: Wordweb Dictionary

Gary King
 

If any of you are planning to try these WordWeb scripts, don't bother. They were done in 2004 for old versions of both JAWS and WordWeb. They will compile under JFW 14, but they won't work properly. It looks like the layout of the dictionary has changed since they were written. The scripts also crashed JFW a couple of times while I was testing them.

It looks like Debbie Scales did a really nice job on them. They are quite elaborate and have a lot of built-in help.

For those of you who don't know, Debbie Scales was once a frequent contributor to the JFW list and a very good script writer. Her web site, which is linked to in the message below, had a list of useful programs, a collection of scripts and a collection of tutorials and helpful hints. It has been maintained unchanged as a tribute to her since her passing on September 4, 2006.

Gary King
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Doris and Chris" <chipmunks@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Wordweb Dictionary


Check on

www.jfwlite.com

There are scripts for an older version of wordweb. Recompile and see if those help. I have just gotten used to hearing the "read only edit". You may also be able to silence this in the "speech and sound Manager" but I am not an expert in the use of this.

hth

Doris




At 10:52 PM 2/13/2013 -0500, you wrote:
I'm re-posting to make the subject line relevant. Apologies for the
duplication.

Doris,

I took your advice and downloaded Wordweb. It is easy to understand and
navigate. It ought to meet my needs for an off-line dictionary. For me, and
others, it has only one problem that I've noticed so far, but it's a very
distracting one. Each time I open a definition, JAWS says, "Read only edit."
Each time I arrow down through the definition, I get the same verbalization:
"Read only edit. Read only edit."

Have you experienced this? If so, have you solved it?

I'm using Win7 with JAWS 14. I've tested a few options in the quick settings
dialog, but without success. I virtualized the definition window and
switched off the meddlesome graphics, but other random words entered into
the window and disrupted the flow.

So far, Wordweb is the best option, but I think "Read only edit" is going to
haunt my dreams and prevent me from taking advantage of it unless you or
someone else tells me how to make it go away.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [
mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Doris and Chris
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: The Sage Dictionary

Don't forget Wordweb that in its basic version is free and accessible out of
the box. It is a wonderful dictionary and thesaurus for the English language
that I have been using since before I lost my sight in
1998.

I have not used the Sage dictionary though I think I have a copy of it
flying around here somewhere.

Cheers,

Doris


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Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Adrian Spratt
 

Cynthia,

It happens that I've spent a good part of today working out flight dates for
a trip to Europe, so I've acquired quite a lot of experience with sites like
this since you posted.

As you know, you can't enter data directly into the pseudo edit fields for
dates. None of the other usually reliable tricks that Dave Carlson and
George B mention work on this site. The ability to enter dates isn't
dependent on what has been entered previously, and the calendar line under
the date fields can't be accessed with enter or the applications key.
However, just as Dave kept hammering away at those date fields with the
enter key and finally brought up the calendar, I also kept trying other
methods. It took a few minutes, but here's what works, along with the extent
to which it works.

If you place focus in the departure or return fields and press the left
mouse button (minus key on the numpad), the calendar appears.

The calendar partially conforms to accessibility standards. If you navigate
with control+alt+arrow keys, you will move in a linear fashion up and down.
However, JAWS won't speak the month or day. So, first locate the month you
want, then arrow down once or twice to the start of the table. Then, using
the table commands, arrow along the top row and the left column. You'll see
days are named along the top, and each row tracks the seven days of the
week. To test, I arbitrarily selected 9 within April and pressed the link.
(Each number is a link.) JAWS bounced me to the bottom of the page, but when
I returned to the edit field, there was my date selection: April 9, 2013.

A lot of work? You bet. I also couldn't find May. Perhaps this website
enables bookings only up to three months in advance.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:50 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

the website is
http://www.flightnetwork.com

It is on the main page and is, I think, the third edit box on the page. the
first two are departure city and arrival city.

Thanks,

Cynthia

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:42 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Sounds like a JAWS issue to me. Can you post the website address and any
hints how to get to the edit field? Maybe one or more listers will try it
out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

I agree, it worked perfectly. Unfortunately, it was apparently not the
problem for me. Maybe this isn't a JAWS issue, but my husband has no issue
on his computer - he is sighted.

So, my problem is that there is an edit box in which I am supposed to enter
departure and return dates. However, it is a read only edit box, so I can't
change the dates that are there.

Maybe not a JAWS issue?

Cynthia

-----Original Message-----
From: Doris and Chris
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Very clear and comprehensive instructions. Works perfectly. Now only
to get rid off the double speaking of the definition.

Thanks much.

Doris

At 10:21 AM 2/15/2013 -0800, you wrote:
Hi All,

Try the following to stop Jaws from saying, read only edit:

Do the following for the Settings Center in Jaws12 & 13;



1, Open the program you want to have this change made in.



2, press insert+6 on the numbers row,



3, now down arrow until you see / hear;

Speech and sound schemes,

Right arrow to open.



4,

Now down arrow and press the spacebar on,

Modify schemes...

Note if you press the enter key, you will be taken out of the modify scheme

button.

5, now tab and enter on,

Edit selected scheme button,



6, here you need to,

Shift+tab to general,



7, right arrow once you will hear;

Control type tab,

Tab one time into the listview,



8, now press the letter "r" until you hear;

Read only edit,

Now tab and use the down arrow key to select, ignore.

Now tab okay press enter.

Now again tab okay press enter.

Note you now will hear;

Modify Schemes

The current scheme has been modified and has not been saved. Would

you like to save it now?

Yes is highlighted press enter.

Tab okay press enter.



Now you shouldn't hear read only edit,



If you would like to make this a the default setting,

When you press insert+6 on the numbers row, and you, down arrow to

Speech and sound schemes,

Right arrow to open, now press,

Ctrl+shift+d=default.


Hope this helped.

Take care.
Mike
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Re: Wordweb Dictionary

Adrian Spratt
 

Mike,

Another feat of deep sea drilling. Doris thought, but wasn't sure, that
changing this setting as you've described would solve reading difficulties
in Wordweb. I can't grasp how that would be, but I sense Doris's memory is
to be trusted. I'd be curious if anyone were to test this setting to see
what happens and then post the result to the list.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Wordweb Dictionary

Hi Doris & List Members,

Subscripts, stopping Jaws from reading them:

Try the following to stop Jaws from reading subscripts:

Do the following for the Settings Center in Jaws12 & 13;

1. Open the program you want to have this change made in.

2. press insert+6 on the numbers row.

3. Now down arrow until you see / hear;

Speech and sound schemes,

Right arrow to open.

4. Now down arrow and press the spacebar on,

Modify schemes...

Note, if you press the enter key, you will be taken out of the modify scheme

button.

5. Now tab and enter on, Edit selected scheme button.

6, here you need to, Shift+tab to general.

7. right arrow to Attributes tab & tab one time into the listview.

8. now press the letter "S" until you hear;

Subscript

Now tab and use the down arrow key to select, ignore.

Now tab to okay & press enter.

Again tab to okay & press enter.

Note you now will hear;

Modify Schemes

The current scheme has been modified and has not been saved. Would

you like to save it now?

Yes is highlighted press enter.

Tab to okay & press enter.

If you would like to make this a the default setting,

When you press insert+6 on the numbers row, and you, down arrow to

Speech and sound schemes,

Right arrow to open, now press,

Ctrl+shift+d=default.

Hope this helped.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Doris and Chris
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Wordweb Dictionary


This is possible, yes. I turned off the speaking of "subscript"
somewhere app specific but do not remember where to give instructions.

Doris

At 09:20 PM 2/13/2013 -0800, you wrote:
Hi,
Just a couple of thoughts/guesses here as I haven't investigated
this yet. First, is there a way to tell the settings center to
suppress announcement of control types? If you're familiar with the
controls already and know that you're in a read-only edit box,
suppressing the reading of control types might do the trick. If
that isn't possible through settings center, than what about setting
user verbosity to advanced? Would that do the trick? As I said,
just a couple of guesses...

Tom

----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt"
<Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:52 PM
Subject: Wordweb Dictionary


I'm re-posting to make the subject line relevant. Apologies for the
duplication.

Doris,

I took your advice and downloaded Wordweb. It is easy to understand and
navigate. It ought to meet my needs for an off-line dictionary. For me,
and
others, it has only one problem that I've noticed so far, but it's a very
distracting one. Each time I open a definition, JAWS says, "Read only
edit."
Each time I arrow down through the definition, I get the same
verbalization:
"Read only edit. Read only edit."

Have you experienced this? If so, have you solved it?

I'm using Win7 with JAWS 14. I've tested a few options in the quick
settings
dialog, but without success. I virtualized the definition window and
switched off the meddlesome graphics, but other random words entered into
the window and disrupted the flow.

So far, Wordweb is the best option, but I think "Read only edit" is going
to
haunt my dreams and prevent me from taking advantage of it unless you or
someone else tells me how to make it go away.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [
mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Doris and Chris
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: The Sage Dictionary

Don't forget Wordweb that in its basic version is free and accessible out
of
the box. It is a wonderful dictionary and thesaurus for the English
language
that I have been using since before I lost my sight in
1998.

I have not used the Sage dictionary though I think I have a copy of it
flying around here somewhere.

Cheers,

Doris


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Re: face book

Steve Boodram
 

Hello Gary, not trying in any way to cushion Kevin's query but a lot of people have just heard of facebook and do not know what it really is as they are contented with basic computing. Facebook wasn't here in the late Nineties so it has to be a second or even third generation method of communicating especially to senior citizens.

In fact it was started by:
Mark Zuckerberg
who launched the site as a Harvard sophomore on February 4, 2004 and the planet or universe whichever you choose to call it is much more than nine years old.

Please try to be a little more civil in your response if your nature do not permit you to be courteous to people.

All the man ask was what is Facebook and certainly did not deserve your facetious reply.

I am probably not from this planet too since I don't understand what benefit your response brings to the thread. Care to enlighten me since I may not have mastered the spoken language as perfect as you do?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: face book


Kevin,
Which part of the galaxy are you from, and how long have you been on earth? By the way, you have learned our language very well!

Gary King
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Lee" <kleeva5@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 5:08 PM
Subject: face book


what in the world is face book? or did I mishear jaws?
email is golden!
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Re: face book

Adrian Spratt
 

It just occurred to me Kevin means "link on mouseover." I thought he was
thinking of John Denver and sunshine.

Kevin, if you're new to JAWS, some verbalizations take some getting used to.
Don't worry about "link on mouseover." It has some meaning, but it doesn't
work very often and no beginner need worry about it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 7:26 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: face book

Kevin,

Not sure what you mean with "on my shoulder". What's up with that?

I think you need to slow down your synthesizer until you get more familiar.
JAWS is saying link on Mouse Over. It's a type of link.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Lee" <kleeva5@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 15:33
Subject: Re: face book


NO! I've never heard of such a thing
also when jaws announces on the internet the links (... on my shoulder) I
think jaws is crazy or something!

-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Solowoniuk
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: face book

You're kidding, right?

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-02-15, at 4:08 PM, "Kevin Lee" <kleeva5@...> wrote:

what in the world is face book? or did I mishear jaws?
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Re: Wordweb Dictionary

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Doris & List Members,

Subscripts, stopping Jaws from reading them:

Try the following to stop Jaws from reading subscripts:

Do the following for the Settings Center in Jaws12 & 13;

1. Open the program you want to have this change made in.

2. press insert+6 on the numbers row.

3. Now down arrow until you see / hear;

Speech and sound schemes,

Right arrow to open.

4. Now down arrow and press the spacebar on,

Modify schemes...

Note, if you press the enter key, you will be taken out of the modify scheme
button.

5. Now tab and enter on, Edit selected scheme button.

6, here you need to, Shift+tab to general.

7. right arrow to Attributes tab & tab one time into the listview.

8. now press the letter "S" until you hear;

Subscript

Now tab and use the down arrow key to select, ignore.

Now tab to okay & press enter.

Again tab to okay & press enter.

Note you now will hear;

Modify Schemes

The current scheme has been modified and has not been saved. Would

you like to save it now?

Yes is highlighted press enter.

Tab to okay & press enter.

If you would like to make this a the default setting,

When you press insert+6 on the numbers row, and you, down arrow to

Speech and sound schemes,

Right arrow to open, now press,

Ctrl+shift+d=default.

Hope this helped.

Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Doris and Chris
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Wordweb Dictionary


This is possible, yes. I turned off the speaking of "subscript"
somewhere app specific but do not remember where to give instructions.

Doris

At 09:20 PM 2/13/2013 -0800, you wrote:
Hi,
Just a couple of thoughts/guesses here as I haven't investigated
this yet. First, is there a way to tell the settings center to
suppress announcement of control types? If you're familiar with the
controls already and know that you're in a read-only edit box,
suppressing the reading of control types might do the trick. If
that isn't possible through settings center, than what about setting
user verbosity to advanced? Would that do the trick? As I said,
just a couple of guesses...

Tom

----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt"
<Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:52 PM
Subject: Wordweb Dictionary


I'm re-posting to make the subject line relevant. Apologies for the
duplication.

Doris,

I took your advice and downloaded Wordweb. It is easy to understand and
navigate. It ought to meet my needs for an off-line dictionary. For me,
and
others, it has only one problem that I've noticed so far, but it's a very
distracting one. Each time I open a definition, JAWS says, "Read only
edit."
Each time I arrow down through the definition, I get the same
verbalization:
"Read only edit. Read only edit."

Have you experienced this? If so, have you solved it?

I'm using Win7 with JAWS 14. I've tested a few options in the quick
settings
dialog, but without success. I virtualized the definition window and
switched off the meddlesome graphics, but other random words entered into
the window and disrupted the flow.

So far, Wordweb is the best option, but I think "Read only edit" is going
to
haunt my dreams and prevent me from taking advantage of it unless you or
someone else tells me how to make it go away.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [
mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Doris and Chris
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: The Sage Dictionary

Don't forget Wordweb that in its basic version is free and accessible out
of
the box. It is a wonderful dictionary and thesaurus for the English
language
that I have been using since before I lost my sight in
1998.

I have not used the Sage dictionary though I think I have a copy of it
flying around here somewhere.

Cheers,

Doris


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Re: face book

Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
 

Kevin,

I think David is right. If you are new to talking software or are new to
the talking software you are using then slowing down the speaking voice can
make words easier to interpret.

Another thing you can try is changing the speaking voice. Some talking
software packages offer speaking voices with high pitch male voicing and
perhaps varying accents. The same goes for female voices. Try them all to
see which one best fits your hearing.

Changing speed, changing pitch, changing accent or male to female speaking
voice can make all the difference.

Andre

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 7:03 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: face book

Kevin,
Which part of the galaxy are you from, and how long have you been on earth?
By the way, you have learned our language very well!

Gary King
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 5:08 PM
Subject: face book


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Re: face book

Gary King
 

Kevin,
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Gary King
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Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It

Dave...
 

Yes, I went right there and found a bunch of stuff that's always irritated
me and have shut them off. Fantastic! A good tip, Mike.


Dave Carlson
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Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

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From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 15:56
Subject: Re: Read Only Edit, Steps On Stopping Jaws From Reporting It


Thanks Mike for the very helpful instructions to use speach and sound
schemes to fix this. I'm glad there is a way but think fs really hid
that one.

Bob


On 2/15/2013 11:21 AM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi All,

Try the following to stop Jaws from saying, read only edit:

Do the following for the Settings Center in Jaws12 & 13;



1, Open the program you want to have this change made in.



2, press insert+6 on the numbers row,



3, now down arrow until you see / hear;

Speech and sound schemes,

Right arrow to open.



4,

Now down arrow and press the spacebar on,

Modify schemes...

Note if you press the enter key, you will be taken out of the modify
scheme

button.

5, now tab and enter on,

Edit selected scheme button,



6, here you need to,

Shift+tab to general,



7, right arrow once you will hear;

Control type tab,

Tab one time into the listview,



8, now press the letter "r" until you hear;

Read only edit,

Now tab and use the down arrow key to select, ignore.

Now tab okay press enter.

Now again tab okay press enter.

Note you now will hear;

Modify Schemes

The current scheme has been modified and has not been saved. Would

you like to save it now?

Yes is highlighted press enter.

Tab okay press enter.



Now you shouldn't hear read only edit,



If you would like to make this a the default setting,

When you press insert+6 on the numbers row, and you, down arrow to

Speech and sound schemes,

Right arrow to open, now press,

Ctrl+shift+d=default.


Hope this helped.

Take care.
Mike
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Re: face book

Dave...
 

Kevin,

Not sure what you mean with "on my shoulder". What's up with that?

I think you need to slow down your synthesizer until you get more familiar.
JAWS is saying link on Mouse Over. It's a type of link.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Lee" <kleeva5@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 15:33
Subject: Re: face book


NO! I've never heard of such a thing
also when jaws announces on the internet the links (... on my shoulder) I
think jaws is crazy or something!

-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Solowoniuk
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: face book

You're kidding, right?

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-02-15, at 4:08 PM, "Kevin Lee" <kleeva5@...> wrote:

what in the world is face book? or did I mishear jaws?
email is golden!
Kevin
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