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Installing scripts
Adrian Spratt
Hi. Would one of you remind me how to incorporate scripts into an
application? Specifically, I have a set of scripts for GoldWave that I put in my ENU folder, but when I check the loaded scripts in GoldWave with insert-q, the name doesn't seem to appear. I have notes on this somewhere, but I've switched from XP to Win7 and I'm trying to do everything at once. Someone with a ready answer could save me yet more time. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20130202/38d5a820/attachment.html>
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Re: Shortcut for Jaws with sound card?
Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
I believe the reason John wanted a shortcut for JAWS to use the sound card is that he wanted to have JAWS use the external sound card for music, and to use the internal sound card with JAWS for other applications. If it were possible to toggle use of the sound cards by JAWS, this would be very convenient, and I would be interested in it as well.
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Re: Jaws to PC
john.falter
There are places on your screen where the cursor can't go, like the title bar and tool bars. The JAWS cursor can go to them, but since the PC cursor can't, you can't route the PC cursor to places where the PC cursor doesn't go.
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From: <ahiser5@bex.net> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 7:25 AM Subject: Jaws to PC Why can't I route Jaws to PC when trying to read something? Not all dialog
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Re: Changing the Default Convenient OCR Voice
Rose Combs <rosecombs@...>
I just wish FS realized how much that voice is not helpful and change it
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themselves instead of leaving a convoluted set of instructions. I don't use it enough to bother changing it but I have a hard time understanding it when I have no choice but to use it. The idea works, the voice does not so much and one should be able to change is as we would any voice. Then again, I am not a fan of the Vocalizer voices either, they don't sound more human to me and the fact that they don't raise pitch on capital letter is only one reason I don't use them. Rose Combs rosecombs@Q.com
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 2:18 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: RE: Changing the Default Convenient OCR Voice I think you have to do it in the default configuration. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 3:02 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Changing the Devault Convenient OCR Voice I've forgotten how to change the awful-voice when using the convenient OCR feature. I recall it was not an intuitive process. Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Shortcut for Jaws with sound card?
Peter Tighe
John,
I don't think a short cut is really needed! I have two sound cards, one for default which I primarily use for music and the other which I use exclusively with Jaws. You can set jaws to use a specific sound card, and leave all other programs to use the default. This means that you can record music without the Jaws voice interfeering. To change Jaws to play through your nondefault sound card do the following: From the jaws windowpressalt-u.arrow down to sound cardand press enter. You will see a list of all your sound cards. Some may be nentioned twice. Arrow down to the non default card that says speakers and press enter. This setting should holde for ever. Peter Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 7:56 AM To: "jfw World List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Subject: Shortcut for Jaws with sound card? Is it possible to set up a shortcut to make Jaws load and run with a
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Shortcut for Jaws with sound card?
John Gurd
Is it possible to set up a shortcut to make Jaws load and run with a
particular sound card that is not the default? If it is, I would be interested to know how to do it if someone can help. If it isn't, then could anyone tell me how to make a batch file that will do this? Thanks in advance. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20130202/1ed8dfab/attachment.html>
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Re: Jaws to PC
Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
I guess you have to make sure that the dialog you try to read does
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have more text in it, if it stil don't work, try vurtualize the window and maybe do o c r if you have 13 or 14.
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Jaws to PC
Angie Hiser
Why can't I route Jaws to PC when trying to read something? Not all dialog
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Re: windows 8:
Peter Holdstock <ptrholdstock@...>
The standard version of JAWS will not work with the Pro version of Windows 8. I argued the point with Freedom Scientific and Sight and Sound in the UK and got a free JAWS licence upgrade. They have told me I will have to pay the extra for SMA's upgrades etc but I will debate that with them at a later date. They told me it would work until I discovered otherwise after upgrading Windows.
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From: David Jennette Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:15 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: windows 8: Most likely core. I'm not sure if pro will work with standard or not. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2013, at 9:06 PM, "Kenny" <p.wildcat1234@gmail.com> wrote: Hi What edition do I need to run the standard edition of jaws?_______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: windows 8:
david Jennette
Most likely core. I'm not sure if pro will work with standard or not.
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On Feb 1, 2013, at 9:06 PM, "Kenny" <p.wildcat1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi What edition do I need to run the standard edition of jaws?
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windows 8:
Kenny Peyattt jr.
Hi What edition do I need to run the standard edition of jaws?
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SAP and Dynamics
Andrew Diederick
Hello everyone,
I want to know if any of you have experience with or know how to use Sap or Microsoft Dynamics. Are there any keystroke gides or helpful hints and tricks to using these products with JAWS for processing or recording financial transactions. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. -Andrew-
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Re: USB Tv Tuners
Cy Selfridge
Okay, now, how does one get one of those tuners?
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Cy
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 2:24 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: USB Tv Tuners Hauppauge is a town in Suffolk County, NY, near the eastern end of Long Island. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 3:53 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: USB Tv Tuners What is that name again? Cy -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Jones Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 1:44 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: USB Tv Tuners I used Hauppauge TV Tunerswith my netbook and it worked fine. The fields were all accessible. Especially after I learned toshift+tab or go to the top of the form. Hope this helps. Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Davis Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:53 PM To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Subject: USB Tv Tuners Mike and Others: I want to thank Mike for his resource that he provided in his previous message. The link to Blind Tv may prove to be a valuable resource for audio described television, I am still looking for an accessible tv tuner, or at least one that would work well with JAWS, in order to watch the local tv stations, and to recoird that programming. Case in point, my fiancé and I like Lawrence Welk, which is re-run on our local PBS station. That show is not streamed anywhere online, as near as I can tell. I've considered getting the Avertv Hybrid Volar Max TV Tuner Kit from Amazon. Does anyone know anything about this particular unit. According to Amazon it is a starter kit. This means it only comes with the tuner. That's okay as I have Windows Mediacenter, my tv antenna, and a converter box. I also have the coaxial cable needed to hook it altogether. I was able to find some files on keystroke commands for Windows Mediacenter. If you happen to know about this product, or any others like it, I'd appreciate any and all suggestions. Thanks in advance for your feedback. Regards: Jamie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201301 30/bb771a3c/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: USB Tv Tuners
Adrian Spratt
Hauppauge is a town in Suffolk County, NY, near the eastern end of Long
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Island.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 3:53 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: USB Tv Tuners What is that name again? Cy -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Jones Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 1:44 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: USB Tv Tuners I used Hauppauge TV Tunerswith my netbook and it worked fine. The fields were all accessible. Especially after I learned toshift+tab or go to the top of the form. Hope this helps. Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Davis Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:53 PM To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Subject: USB Tv Tuners Mike and Others: I want to thank Mike for his resource that he provided in his previous message. The link to Blind Tv may prove to be a valuable resource for audio described television, I am still looking for an accessible tv tuner, or at least one that would work well with JAWS, in order to watch the local tv stations, and to recoird that programming. Case in point, my fiancé and I like Lawrence Welk, which is re-run on our local PBS station. That show is not streamed anywhere online, as near as I can tell. I've considered getting the Avertv Hybrid Volar Max TV Tuner Kit from Amazon. Does anyone know anything about this particular unit. According to Amazon it is a starter kit. This means it only comes with the tuner. That's okay as I have Windows Mediacenter, my tv antenna, and a converter box. I also have the coaxial cable needed to hook it altogether. I was able to find some files on keystroke commands for Windows Mediacenter. If you happen to know about this product, or any others like it, I'd appreciate any and all suggestions. Thanks in advance for your feedback. Regards: Jamie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201301 30/bb771a3c/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Changing the Default Convenient OCR Voice
Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
I think you have to do it in the default configuration.
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Ted
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 3:02 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Changing the Devault Convenient OCR Voice I've forgotten how to change the awful-voice when using the convenient OCR feature. I recall it was not an intuitive process. Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: SoundTaxiBlind Released
Brian Smith
Hello:
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Thanks for the Sound Taxi Blind Jaws script. Brian Smith
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 1:45 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list.; jawsscripts@freelists.org; blindtunesbeta@freelists.org; spotifyblindbeta@freelists.org; WebAIM Discussion List Subject: SoundTaxiBlind Released Hi All, Another JAWS script your way and this one is free for the script. Sound Taxi Professional is a program that will take any music downloaded or otherwise and convert into an MP3 format with track tags intact and make it possible to upload to any blind accessible MP3 device or player. You can convert thousands of songs and it is all automated. Even upload content directly to your iPod iPhone, or iPad directly within the program. Sound Taxi has teamed up with DoItBlind to promote the ease of this program and make music much more enjoyable by giving you the freedom to upload to your Blind accessible MP3 player. SoundTaxiBlind works well with RhapsodyBlind, BlindTunes, and SpotifyBlind. Music the way you like it, accessible and the script is free. Please visit: www.SoundTaxiBlind.com Thanks to all that have made DoItBlind grow in new directions! John Martyn www.DoItBlind.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201302 01/81e95837/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: USB Tv Tuners
Cy Selfridge
What is that name again?
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Cy
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Jones Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 1:44 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: USB Tv Tuners I used Hauppauge TV Tunerswith my netbook and it worked fine. The fields were all accessible. Especially after I learned toshift+tab or go to the top of the form. Hope this helps. Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Davis Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:53 PM To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Subject: USB Tv Tuners Mike and Others: I want to thank Mike for his resource that he provided in his previous message. The link to Blind Tv may prove to be a valuable resource for audio described television, I am still looking for an accessible tv tuner, or at least one that would work well with JAWS, in order to watch the local tv stations, and to recoird that programming. Case in point, my fiancé and I like Lawrence Welk, which is re-run on our local PBS station. That show is not streamed anywhere online, as near as I can tell. I’ve considered getting the Avertv Hybrid Volar Max TV Tuner Kit from Amazon. Does anyone know anything about this particular unit. According to Amazon it is a starter kit. This means it only comes with the tuner. That’s okay as I have Windows Mediacenter, my tv antenna, and a converter box. I also have the coaxial cable needed to hook it altogether. I was able to find some files on keystroke commands for Windows Mediacenter. If you happen to know about this product, or any others like it, I’d appreciate any and all suggestions. Thanks in advance for your feedback. Regards: Jamie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201301 30/bb771a3c/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: USB Tv Tuners
Jimmy Jones
I used Hauppauge TV Tunerswith my netbook and it worked fine. The fields
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were all accessible. Especially after I learned toshift+tab or go to the top of the form. Hope this helps. Jimmy
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Davis Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:53 PM To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Subject: USB Tv Tuners Mike and Others: I want to thank Mike for his resource that he provided in his previous message. The link to Blind Tv may prove to be a valuable resource for audio described television, I am still looking for an accessible tv tuner, or at least one that would work well with JAWS, in order to watch the local tv stations, and to recoird that programming. Case in point, my fiancé and I like Lawrence Welk, which is re-run on our local PBS station. That show is not streamed anywhere online, as near as I can tell. I’ve considered getting the Avertv Hybrid Volar Max TV Tuner Kit from Amazon. Does anyone know anything about this particular unit. According to Amazon it is a starter kit. This means it only comes with the tuner. That’s okay as I have Windows Mediacenter, my tv antenna, and a converter box. I also have the coaxial cable needed to hook it altogether. I was able to find some files on keystroke commands for Windows Mediacenter. If you happen to know about this product, or any others like it, I’d appreciate any and all suggestions. Thanks in advance for your feedback. Regards: Jamie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201301 30/bb771a3c/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Changing the Devault Convenient OCR Voice
Dave...
Mike,
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Thanks! Yes I thought it was a bit convoluted, and have now changed it. Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit
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From: "Mike B." <mb69mach1@charter.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 12:17 Subject: Re: Changing the Devault Convenient OCR Voice Hi Dave, Below are 3 sets of steps: from the JAWS 13 public beta page http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-public-beta.asp Customizing the OCR Voice To customize the voice you hear when reading recognized text, do the following: 1.Press INSERT+F2, and select Settings Center. When Settings Center opens, press CTRL+SHIFT+D to open Default. 2.In the tree view, navigate to and expand Voice Aliases, then select Customize Voice Aliases. 3.Press F6 to move to the Voice Aliases page, and choose the Voice Aliases button to open the dialog box. 4.Select OCRVoice from the list of voice aliasses and choose the Modify button to customize the settings for this alias. Roy From: Eric Damery To learn how to adjust the voice, please go to: http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-public-beta.asp There is a heading on this page for: Customizing the OCR Voice Regards, Eric From: Mike & Barbara Hi Geovanni & List Members, I have found that instead of pressing the, F6 key, on Customize Voice Aliases..., that pressing the spacebar opens the Voice Aliases page, and then, just press the, letter O, to get to the OCR option. Now, tab to modify, & press the spacebar to open, & tab through the dialogue boxes to make your changes. Take care. Mike Hope these helped. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Farfar Carlson To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 12:01 PM Subject: Changing the Devault Convenient OCR Voice I've forgotten how to change the awful-voice when using the convenient OCR feature. I recall it was not an intuitive process. Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20130201/263832ad/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Changing the Devault Convenient OCR Voice
Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
Hi Dave,
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Below are 3 sets of steps: from the JAWS 13 public beta page http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-public-beta.asp Customizing the OCR Voice To customize the voice you hear when reading recognized text, do the following: 1.Press INSERT+F2, and select Settings Center. When Settings Center opens, press CTRL+SHIFT+D to open Default. 2.In the tree view, navigate to and expand Voice Aliases, then select Customize Voice Aliases. 3.Press F6 to move to the Voice Aliases page, and choose the Voice Aliases button to open the dialog box. 4.Select OCRVoice from the list of voice aliasses and choose the Modify button to customize the settings for this alias. Roy From: Eric Damery To learn how to adjust the voice, please go to: http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-public-beta.asp There is a heading on this page for: Customizing the OCR Voice Regards, Eric From: Mike & Barbara Hi Geovanni & List Members, I have found that instead of pressing the, F6 key, on Customize Voice Aliases..., that pressing the spacebar opens the Voice Aliases page, and then, just press the, letter O, to get to the OCR option. Now, tab to modify, & press the spacebar to open, & tab through the dialogue boxes to make your changes. Take care. Mike Hope these helped. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool.
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