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Re: facebook

George B
 

i am haveing that more with the update today then before and i do windows
key m to min apps and there is no focus and it takes a couple of times of
alt tab and once in a while that even dose not work

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Ariel
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 14:44
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: facebook

Hi,
I'm still having the following issue. When going to a different page,
no
matter where, JAWS still reads information from the previous page. The
new page is fully loaded, but it still reads the previous page.
On 12/6/2012 3:27 PM, Drew Hunthausen wrote:
I think the new update 14.0.1036 fixed the facebook problem. Seems to
be
working normally again



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Braille driver for Optilech Voyager in Jaws.

Matthew Bullis <matthewbullis@...>
 

So the lab computers at work are running Jaws 13, build 638, and my work laptop is running version 13, the next build or so up from that. I could also install version 14. I'm wondering why the check box for adding the Braille Voyager display isn't available in the later build of 13? We're using braille displays from work that have been retired, and the display will install on the lab computers because of its being listed in the add braille display options, but I'd really like to go ahead and use this on the laptop with docking station. Any suggestions? I realize it could be the driver signing problem, but would they drop the support in the middle of a version of Jaws between builds?
Thanks a lot.
Matthew


Re: facebook

Ariel
 

Hi Bill,
I have definitely done it. It doesn't work though. The only thing that works is bringing up links by pressing insert+F7 then pressing escape. Oddly enough, once I do this, JAWS is able to read what's on the current page. Refreshing the page doesn't work. Thanks,
Ariel

On 12/6/2012 6:15 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Ariel. Have you tried loading the page, then pressing the key combination Insert plus escape to refresh the screen?

Thank you.
Bill White billwhite92701@...
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ariel" <accessibleknowledge@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: facebook


Hi,
I'm still having the following issue. When going to a different page, no matter where, JAWS still reads information from the previous page. The new page is fully loaded, but it still reads the previous page.
On 12/6/2012 3:27 PM, Drew Hunthausen wrote:
I think the new update 14.0.1036 fixed the facebook problem. Seems to be
working normally again


Drew Hunthausen 714 296-7111


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Re: facebook

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Ariel. Have you tried loading the page, then pressing the key combination Insert plus escape to refresh the screen?

Thank you.
Bill White billwhite92701@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ariel" <accessibleknowledge@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: facebook


Hi,
I'm still having the following issue. When going to a different page, no matter where, JAWS still reads information from the previous page. The new page is fully loaded, but it still reads the previous page.
On 12/6/2012 3:27 PM, Drew Hunthausen wrote:
I think the new update 14.0.1036 fixed the facebook problem. Seems to be
working normally again


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Re: facebook

Ariel
 

Hi,
I'm still having the following issue. When going to a different page, no matter where, JAWS still reads information from the previous page. The new page is fully loaded, but it still reads the previous page.

On 12/6/2012 3:27 PM, Drew Hunthausen wrote:
I think the new update 14.0.1036 fixed the facebook problem. Seems to be
working normally again


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Re: Jaws supports for a new language

Ari Damoulakis <aridamoulakis@...>
 

And I don't know if I'm right, but actually can't ESpeak speak
Viatnamese? I know its not such a nice sounding synthesizer, but maybe
you can try it? Or for Viatnamese maybe just use NVDA.
Ari

On 12/6/12, Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...> wrote:
Hi Dung, have you looked at
http://www.vnspeech.com/
They talk about a sappi 5 voice.
I believe you can run a sappi 5 voice with jaws.
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nguyen Van
Dung
Sent: December 6, 2012 10:43 AM
To: jfw@...
Subject: RE: Jaws supports for a new language

Hello Ari



Thank you for your mail.

I knew an organization in Vietnam which created a Vietnamese voice but I
could not contact it (I sent request but not getting any answer).

As I understand, I will have to create a vietnamese voice (as a talk
dictionary). But I don't know what is dictionary format?

How to integrate voice into Jaws What will I have to do in order to my voice
appears on Jaws voice Adjustment dialog (as a profile).

Actually, I've just touched this topic, so I do not have good knowledge
about it. So please tell me which kind of document I should read first to
understand more.



Thank you.

Dung Nguyen.

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Re: USB Soundcard, Jaws Not Working After Starting PC

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi George,

Why in the hell would I want to do that?! Staying on the barstool is what's
keeping me sane! LOL, hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: George B
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: RE: USB Soundcard, Jaws Not Working After Starting PC


Well maybe if you get off that IBarStool you could figure it out...LOL

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:43
To: JFW List
Subject: USB Soundcard, Jaws Not Working After Starting PC

Hi All,

I have Jaws assigned to a USB soundcard & SoundBlaster is my default
for all
other sounds. When I start my computer in the morning or reboot the
computer during the day for whatever reason, when the computer starts
Jaws
is no longer assigned to the USB soundcard, it comes through the
SoundBlaster soundcard. Each soundcard runs through its own set of
speakers. I have to go into the Jaws context menu / Utilities /
Soundcard
sub-menues, & press enter on the USB soundcard option to reassign Jaws
to
that soundcard. How do I keep Jaws assigned to use the USB soundcard
so I
don't have to reassign it every time I start / reboot the computer? I'm
running XP Home & Jaws 13 on this computer. All help will be greatly
appreciated. Thank you very much for any & all help.

Take care.
Mike
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Re: USB Soundcard, Jaws Not Working After Starting PC

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Mitch,

Thank you very much for your reply. Everything shows correctly in the
Sounds & Audio Devices / Audio tab.
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Mitchell
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: USB Soundcard, Jaws Not Working After Starting PC


Hi Mike, Have you gone to Control Panel / sounds & Speech Manager and
messed around with the entries under the Audio Tab?

One of my 2 cards keeps appearing and disappearing on me seemingly at random
so I share your frustration. Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike B." <mb69mach1@...>
To: "JFW List" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 1:42 PM
Subject: USB Soundcard, Jaws Not Working After Starting PC


Hi All,

I have Jaws assigned to a USB soundcard & SoundBlaster is my default for
all
other sounds. When I start my computer in the morning or reboot the
computer during the day for whatever reason, when the computer starts Jaws
is no longer assigned to the USB soundcard, it comes through the
SoundBlaster soundcard. Each soundcard runs through its own set of
speakers. I have to go into the Jaws context menu / Utilities /
Soundcard
sub-menues, & press enter on the USB soundcard option to reassign Jaws to
that soundcard. How do I keep Jaws assigned to use the USB soundcard so I
don't have to reassign it every time I start / reboot the computer? I'm
running XP Home & Jaws 13 on this computer. All help will be greatly
appreciated. Thank you very much for any & all help.

Take care.
Mike
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Re: USB Soundcard, Jaws Not Working After Starting PC

George B
 

Well maybe if you get off that IBarStool you could figure it out...LOL

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:43
To: JFW List
Subject: USB Soundcard, Jaws Not Working After Starting PC

Hi All,

I have Jaws assigned to a USB soundcard & SoundBlaster is my default
for all
other sounds. When I start my computer in the morning or reboot the
computer during the day for whatever reason, when the computer starts
Jaws
is no longer assigned to the USB soundcard, it comes through the
SoundBlaster soundcard. Each soundcard runs through its own set of
speakers. I have to go into the Jaws context menu / Utilities /
Soundcard
sub-menues, & press enter on the USB soundcard option to reassign Jaws
to
that soundcard. How do I keep Jaws assigned to use the USB soundcard
so I
don't have to reassign it every time I start / reboot the computer? I'm
running XP Home & Jaws 13 on this computer. All help will be greatly
appreciated. Thank you very much for any & all help.

Take care.
Mike
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Re: USB Soundcard, Jaws Not Working After Starting PC

Dave Mitchell
 

Hi Mike, Have you gone to Control Panel / sounds & Speech Manager and messed around with the entries under the Audio Tab?

One of my 2 cards keeps appearing and disappearing on me seemingly at random so I share your frustration. Mitch

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike B." <mb69mach1@...>
To: "JFW List" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 1:42 PM
Subject: USB Soundcard, Jaws Not Working After Starting PC


Hi All,

I have Jaws assigned to a USB soundcard & SoundBlaster is my default for all
other sounds. When I start my computer in the morning or reboot the
computer during the day for whatever reason, when the computer starts Jaws
is no longer assigned to the USB soundcard, it comes through the
SoundBlaster soundcard. Each soundcard runs through its own set of
speakers. I have to go into the Jaws context menu / Utilities / Soundcard
sub-menues, & press enter on the USB soundcard option to reassign Jaws to
that soundcard. How do I keep Jaws assigned to use the USB soundcard so I
don't have to reassign it every time I start / reboot the computer? I'm
running XP Home & Jaws 13 on this computer. All help will be greatly
appreciated. Thank you very much for any & all help.

Take care.
Mike
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USB Soundcard, Jaws Not Working After Starting PC

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi All,

I have Jaws assigned to a USB soundcard & SoundBlaster is my default for all
other sounds. When I start my computer in the morning or reboot the
computer during the day for whatever reason, when the computer starts Jaws
is no longer assigned to the USB soundcard, it comes through the
SoundBlaster soundcard. Each soundcard runs through its own set of
speakers. I have to go into the Jaws context menu / Utilities / Soundcard
sub-menues, & press enter on the USB soundcard option to reassign Jaws to
that soundcard. How do I keep Jaws assigned to use the USB soundcard so I
don't have to reassign it every time I start / reboot the computer? I'm
running XP Home & Jaws 13 on this computer. All help will be greatly
appreciated. Thank you very much for any & all help.

Take care.
Mike
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Re: jaws 14 and facebook

George B
 

They fixed it in the release update this morning

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Ariel
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 09:27
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: jaws 14 and facebook

Damn nation. LOL
On 12/6/2012 11:51 AM, George B wrote:
it is coming in jaws 15 for another sma...lol

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Ariel
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 08:48
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: jaws 14 and facebook

Hi,
I'm having the same issue. Sort of ironic that an older version of
the
program works better. I wish FS would release more frequent updates
addressing these issues. Laters.
On 12/6/2012 10:45 AM, Drew Hunthausen wrote:
Dear list,

Has anyone found a work around for using jaws 14 with the regular
facebook
site. I've been using jaws 12 for the last couple of weeks as 14
won't let
me arrow normally down the page; reading lines over and over again
before
moving on. Just wondering as I would like to use some of the new
features of
jaws 14. thanks



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facebook

Drew Hunthausen
 

I think the new update 14.0.1036 fixed the facebook problem. Seems to be
working normally again



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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Fired up the coffee pot hahahah.
Lets see what researchit says according to the climate on this side of
Washington.

Updated: 12:21 PM PST on December 06, 2012 Observed at Phend Rd., Pasco,
Washington
Temperature: 47.5°F / 8.6°C
Windchill: 44°F / 7°C
Humidity: 77%
Dew Point: 41°F / 5°C
Wind: SSW at 8.0 mph / 12.9 km/h
Pressure: 30.12 in / 1020 hPa (Falling)
Conditions: Mostly Cloudy
Visibility: 10.0 miles / 16.1 kilometers.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of George B
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 8:48 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

kimsan,

depending on the speed my screen reader is reading do i get charged by the
second or minute for your little trainning help below...LOL is it cold over
there on that side of the mountain and did you fire up the pot since it is
leagel now...LOL

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 08:19
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Lauren:
As far as which screen reader is "more powerful". My suggestion would
be to Install demos for all the screen readers you are curious about.
Window eyes just released their latest version and I hear its not to
bad.
I believe when asking which is better, powerful, etc, you will receive
hundreds of opinions and will discombobulate your mind.
NVDA is free, system access, www.satogo.com, an of course you have
jaws and window eyes.
hth

--
Kimsan Song
Access Technology Trainer
Phone: 1-877-774-7670
www.BlindAccessTraining.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 5:52 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

It is very confusing. Maybe I never figured out all the stuff Jaws is
suppose to do since half the time with any version I could not get it
to read text in jaws mode or tell me what I'm trying to change in
spell checker. Aside though, getting back to the topic, how accessible
is Window Eyes versus Jaws? I want to be able to read texts, edit
them, navigate my way around a web page in less than an hour, etc.

Is Window Eyes more powerful than a voice over for the Mac?



Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 08:04
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I am sorry that I did not find this email earlier.
My experience with the Mac system is setting them up and installing
Microsoft Office and what ever else needs to be added, most of the
time
installing Mountain Lion.
If a person is starting over, the Mac will save them a lot of money,
asuming that the hardware holds up.
I do not own a Mac, but I will within the month.
The Mac is no good to a low vision user who may use ZoomText with
enlargement 4X or larger, but they can get away with using it with
lower
enlargement. But ZoomText may come out with a Mac version and
change
all
that.
I am a JAWS user since Windows 3.11, and JAWS has changed how they
do business and I do not thinks it is good. I do like JAWS 14, but
have
only
use it a little.
The future for me is using both the Mac and Windows. When the
Veterans
Administration switches to Windows 8, I will have to get a Windows
8 computer.

My experience with Voice Over is limited, but I know totally blind
who use
it. I know it is not as powerful as JAWS, but how many people use
all the
features of JAWS, not many that I have trained. But on this list
you
will
find a lot of computer users that are JAWS Power users.

But buying a new system, if money is not an issue, it does not
matter
what
you buy. But if money is an issue, $200. per year upgrade price of
JAWS
is
something that should be considered. If I were starting over, I
would go
with Windows Eyes for a screen readered if I needed a Windows
system, other wise I would go with the Mac.
But I am not spending the money, and the byer got a lot of input,
and
I am
sure that what ever the byer chooses, she will be happy.
When I train someone on adaptive software, usually the first session
leaves the person in a position where they want to destroy the new
computer,
but
after the third session, they are very happy and will tell us things
they
could do now that they could not do, so what ever the choice, hang
in their, it does not take long to get over the hump.
John

My experience with voice over is in support of enlargement and
training
from
the Apple store in voice over.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 10:31 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

John Sherrer,
Wild and unsupported assertions like this cast doubt on your other
claims,
such as for the accessibility of MS Office on Apple computers. If
you're
willing to risk libeling Avast and the Czech Republic, you'd better
link
to
legitimate news sources, and if you're going to claim MS Office is
accessible on apple, you ought to state if you're saying so from
your
own
experience. It's hard enough selecting the right versions of JAWS,
Office,
Windows and other applications without complicating the decision
process
with vague claims for Apple. I, too, wish Apple provided the same
level of
voice support that we get with JAWS for real-world office and other
work.
Aesthetically, Apple products are very desirable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of John
Sherrer
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 7:38 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

If you buy Avast which is from the Chek Republic you are supporting
the
sale
of 12 year old girls into prostitution. They are sold buy their
parents
and
the government looks the other way since it is illegal.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Aidan
Maher
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Yes that is true, all I am saying is that it doesn't mean everybody
must
run
now for avast on this list, I'm sure you get my point don't you? Its
stil
personal preference.

On 03/12/2012, emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...> wrote:
You said you liked the lady that talked to you. I just bought it
for us because Aidan told me that AVG was getting more unaccessible
ad essentials is fine but it blocks windows defender from working.
We
had
a long discussion about this on facebook and Avast seemed to be the
best out of what is available.

On 12/3/12, Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...> wrote:
Wel avast is good so far, but again, its not to say that there is
no
other good antivirus, its just I came to no its accessible and it
work quite wel. I just like the audible feedback you get with
system
messages. But if windows defender can do the job in windows8 then
its
fine I guess. All personal preference.

On 03/12/2012, emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...> wrote:
Well we did update but we learnt the hard way. Aidan and I both
had
updated our systems everytime there was a windows issue and now I
have a typing problem and not even avast solved that. That's also
a
good idea. On windows 8, people can use Avast. Aidan raved how
good
that was. Maybe people can try that and see. Its a good program.
Maybe you can add to that Aidan. What is your experiences with
AVast.

On 12/3/12, Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...> wrote:
Yes it is sad, but a good anti virus will do the trick. I often
found that many of these so called security updates sometimes
make
something rong wich were rite. So I don't update unless if I
find service packs and system updates.

On 03/12/2012, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@...> wrote:
The main drawback in losing MS support for XP , as well as
Outlook
2003, in that users will no longer receive security patches.

MS support ends on april 8, 2014:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/endofsupport.aspx

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:54 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Yes, of course support will cease. Or, if a system is working
with
windows XP then of course stick with it.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:43, Daniel Garcia <dangarcia3@...>
wrote:

Well, that is true until April 2014, at which time, if I'm not
mistaken, Microsoft will stop supporting XP.

Daniel


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

John,

I would tend to agree, and indeed my studio DAW still runs fine
with XP.
However the applications are stable and I've not done any major
upgrades in the past 4 years.

The problem I see is that if I do upgrade my major studio
applications, I'll be forced to first upgrade to Windows 7 in
order that they work. And that presumes that I don't upgrade to
a
newer processor or hardware overall.
Purchasing a new computer means getting W7 pre-installed at the
very least.

So if a person is satisfied with the hardware, versions of
software, and JAWS that are running on XP, there's no reason to
upgrade to W7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional
32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 06:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a
lot
more stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard
that
windows 8 is not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and
that upgrade is a lot of money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a
computer with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you
have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would
probably be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an
entirely new layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by
Microsoft as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to
Jaws 14, is that very expensive and how accessible is Windows
8
given
that it's a touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to
go
with Windows 7 and Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something
that
will work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...
jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are
incompetent when knowing how to help a blind person navigate
a
MAC using voiceover.
I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and
iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by
helping them help me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting
with
me for some keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play
around on my own and the so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will
they
learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on
caffeine,
like so many of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean
using
a
Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional
32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"
<jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they
had terrible experiences with reps in apple stores and
didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to
the statement about reps in the stores and how much they
know how to use voice over and provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice
over training at BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire
team is comprised of totally blind individuals and have
experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the
friendliest and most helpful folks you will be able to find,
well, I don't care if they are friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use
numbers
on my IPhone to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to
excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no
preference
over the other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf
Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really
know
how to use the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show
how
well it works with various applications. Even if you found
a knowledgeable person, how long would you be able to spend
working with a Mac in a store environment to get a good idea
of
how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a
while ago, I recall that it was the opinion of those folks
who
had used both platforms that as long as you did simple tasks
like email, Internet, playing a few tunes, etc, the Mac was
quite usable. However, if you wanted to do serious office
work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-
based
PC with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft
has never made much effort to write their Office software to
be
accessible on the Mac platform, so a Mac user would need to
find workable substitutes for Word Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions
on
the Mac user groups for the blind and listen to a number of
podcasts that have been done on Mac accessibility. Blind
Cool
Tech has quite a few of those podcasts that may be helpful.
I
don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a little Google
searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store,
making an appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit
with you on a couple Macs and let you try it out. Best way
I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean
using
a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional
32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used
Windows
8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy
or
switch to an Apple where I don't have to shell out money
for upgrades of software like Jaws, but can't afford any
less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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JAWS 14.0.1036 Update

Dave Mitchell
 

Here you go listers.
I'm just sayin'. Mitch


Re: jaws 14 and facebook

Tony Schnurr
 

Drew,

I believe JAWS focus jumps around in Facebook because of the automatic page
refreshing on this page. There is also a TSB about this subject on Freedom
Scientific's website.
Try the following and see if it works for you:
While running JFW 14 with Facebook open in Internet Explorer; hit JAWS key +
v to open the JAWS quick settings.
Then type "refresh" (without the quotes) in to the edit box.
Down arrow twice until you hear something like: "page refresh automatic
personalized web settings".
Press space until you hear "Page refresh off" then tab to OK and hit enter.

I hope this helps.

Regards.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Drew
Hunthausen
Sent: Thursday, 06 December, 2012 10:45
To: Jaws list
Subject: jaws 14 and facebook

Dear list,

Has anyone found a work around for using jaws 14 with the regular facebook
site. I've been using jaws 12 for the last couple of weeks as 14 won't let
me arrow normally down the page; reading lines over and over again before
moving on. Just wondering as I would like to use some of the new features of
jaws 14. thanks



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Re: jaws 14 and facebook

Ariel
 

It's two upgrades.

On 12/6/2012 11:55 AM, Karoline Bourdeau wrote:
How long is an SMA for? Or how many upgrades?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of George B
Sent: December-06-12 11:51 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: jaws 14 and facebook

it is coming in jaws 15 for another sma...lol

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Ariel
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 08:48
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: jaws 14 and facebook

Hi,
I'm having the same issue. Sort of ironic that an older version of the
program works better. I wish FS would release more frequent updates
addressing these issues. Laters.
On 12/6/2012 10:45 AM, Drew Hunthausen wrote:
Dear list,

Has anyone found a work around for using jaws 14 with the regular
facebook
site. I've been using jaws 12 for the last couple of weeks as 14
won't let
me arrow normally down the page; reading lines over and over again
before
moving on. Just wondering as I would like to use some of the new
features of
jaws 14. thanks



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Re: jaws 14 and facebook

Ariel
 

Damn nation. LOL

On 12/6/2012 11:51 AM, George B wrote:
it is coming in jaws 15 for another sma...lol

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Ariel
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 08:48
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: jaws 14 and facebook

Hi,
I'm having the same issue. Sort of ironic that an older version of the
program works better. I wish FS would release more frequent updates
addressing these issues. Laters.
On 12/6/2012 10:45 AM, Drew Hunthausen wrote:
Dear list,

Has anyone found a work around for using jaws 14 with the regular
facebook
site. I've been using jaws 12 for the last couple of weeks as 14
won't let
me arrow normally down the page; reading lines over and over again
before
moving on. Just wondering as I would like to use some of the new
features of
jaws 14. thanks



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Re: Issue with JFW 13 and IE 8.

Ariel
 

Hi,
I don't know if you want to do this, but resetting IE might solve the issue. You should also try to disable IE add-ons to see if one of them is causing the problem. If it is, you can then enable add-ons one by one until you identify the one causing the problem. If you have the Yahoo add-on installed, it may be the one causing this issue.
To reset IE, open IE, press alt+T )tools.) Next press O to get to Internet Options. Now you want to press control+Tab to get to "Advanced page, or advanced settings. Now tab until you get to the reset button. Press enter on it, on the next window, check delete personal settings, and press enter on reset button.
To disable add-ons, press alt+t in IE. Now Press "A" to get to Manage add-ons. Next you tab to where it says, "Currently loaded add-ons. Here you want to arrow down or up to select all add-ons. Next you tab once, and press control+A to select all add-ons. Once they are selected, you tab until you get to disable all. Close IE and see if the issue is still happening. I hope this works. I suggest you try disabling add-ons first. Thanks,
A

On 12/6/2012 5:25 AM, emma goodwin wrote:
This also happens in IE 9 at times too. It suddenly says Internet
explorer has stopped working or is shuttin down but fortunately with
Windows 7 and Jaws 13 with IE 9 it gives me an option to go to my
homepage or to reopen the tasks that I was busy with before whatever
the problem was occured. Its like it just crashes and in these last
few weeks it has happened quite alot to me but mine doesn't stop
talking completely. Gary's advice about starting NVDA then is a good
suggestion to just see if you can sort the problem out without having
to restart your system. Good luck

On 12/6/12, Gary King <w4wkz@...> wrote:
Mike,
This is where another screen reader such as NVDA or Narrator can come in
handy. The first thing I do when the computer goes silent is to bring up
NVDA to see what has happened and what I need to do about it.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Mote" <miketmote73@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 6:26 PM
Subject: Issue with JFW 13 and IE 8.


Hello folks! I'm having an issue on my work computer. I use windows 7,
along with Jaws 13 and at least once a day, IE encounters a problem, and
wants to close the particular web-page that I am on. When this happens,
JAWS stops speaking. I have to utilize sighted assistance to click the
message. Once that happens, JAWS works right again. Left to my own
devices, if this error occurs, I have to do a hard reboot of my computer
system. I hate doing this, because I'd rather shut the computer down
properly. Any suggestions? I know it is a rather odd problem. One that

I do not encounter on my home computer.
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Re: jaws 14 and facebook

Drew Hunthausen
 

That better not be true as this has made me not use Jaws 14 much at all as
very inconvient to keep switching back and forth.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of George B
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 8:51 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: jaws 14 and facebook

it is coming in jaws 15 for another sma...lol

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Ariel
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 08:48
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: jaws 14 and facebook

Hi,
I'm having the same issue. Sort of ironic that an older version of the
program works better. I wish FS would release more frequent updates
addressing these issues. Laters.
On 12/6/2012 10:45 AM, Drew Hunthausen wrote:
Dear list,

Has anyone found a work around for using jaws 14 with the regular
facebook
site. I've been using jaws 12 for the last couple of weeks as 14
won't let
me arrow normally down the page; reading lines over and over again
before
moving on. Just wondering as I would like to use some of the new
features of
jaws 14. thanks



Drew Hunthausen 714 296-7111



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