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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Yes that is true, all I am saying is that it doesn't mean everybody
must run now for avast on this list, I'm sure you get my point don't
you? Its stil personal preference.

On 03/12/2012, emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@gmail.com> wrote:
You said you liked the lady that talked to you. I just bought it for
us because Aidan told me that AVG was getting more unaccessible ad
essentials is fine but it blocks windows defender from working. We had
a long discussion about this on facebook and Avast seemed to be the
best out of what is available.

On 12/3/12, Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:
Wel avast is good so far, but again, its not to say that there is no
other good antivirus, its just I came to no its accessible and it work
quite wel. I just like the audible feedback you get with system
messages. But if windows defender can do the job in windows8 then its
fine I guess. All personal preference.

On 03/12/2012, emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@gmail.com> wrote:
Well we did update but we learnt the hard way. Aidan and I both had
updated our systems everytime there was a windows issue and now I have
a typing problem and not even avast solved that. That's also a good
idea. On windows 8, people can use Avast. Aidan raved how good that
was. Maybe people can try that and see. Its a good program. Maybe you
can add to that Aidan. What is your experiences with AVast.

On 12/3/12, Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes it is sad, but a good anti virus will do the trick. I often found
that many of these so called security updates sometimes make something
rong wich were rite. So I don't update unless if I find service packs
and system updates.

On 03/12/2012, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote:
The main drawback in losing MS support for XP , as well as Outlook
2003,
in
that users will no longer receive security patches.

MS support ends on april 8, 2014:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/endofsupport.aspx

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:54 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Yes, of course support will cease. Or, if a system is working with
windows
XP then of course stick with it.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:43, Daniel Garcia <dangarcia3@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, that is true until April 2014, at which time, if I'm not
mistaken,
Microsoft will stop supporting XP.

Daniel


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

John,

I would tend to agree, and indeed my studio DAW still runs fine with
XP.
However the applications are stable and I've not done any major
upgrades
in
the past 4 years.

The problem I see is that if I do upgrade my major studio
applications,
I'll
be forced to first upgrade to Windows 7 in order that they work. And
that
presumes that I don't upgrade to a newer processor or hardware
overall.
Purchasing a new computer means getting W7 pre-installed at the very
least.

So if a person is satisfied with the hardware, versions of software,
and
JAWS that are running on XP, there's no reason to upgrade to W7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 06:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot
more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8
is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a
lot
of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer
with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have
one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would
probably
be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new
layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by
Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14,
is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's
a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7
and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will
work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent
when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover.
I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone
setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them
help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me
for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own
and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they
learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine,
like
so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice
over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we
advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest
and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they
are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on
my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over
the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary
King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how
to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works
with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person,
how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store
environment
to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while
ago,
I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing
a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a
Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the
Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the
Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have
been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so
a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making
an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a
couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used
Windows
8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or
switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of
software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally
blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: SMA Renewal Letter

MIKE <mmstopka28@...>
 

Hi,

I got mine and it said before the 31 of this month.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:30 AM
To: Jaws List
Subject: SMA Renewal Letter

Cheers: Have those of you whose SMA expired with JAWS 14 received a SMA
renewal letter yet?
If so, what is the deadline for renewal without a pricing penalty?
Thank you, Mitch

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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...>
 

You said you liked the lady that talked to you. I just bought it for
us because Aidan told me that AVG was getting more unaccessible ad
essentials is fine but it blocks windows defender from working. We had
a long discussion about this on facebook and Avast seemed to be the
best out of what is available.

On 12/3/12, Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:
Wel avast is good so far, but again, its not to say that there is no
other good antivirus, its just I came to no its accessible and it work
quite wel. I just like the audible feedback you get with system
messages. But if windows defender can do the job in windows8 then its
fine I guess. All personal preference.

On 03/12/2012, emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@gmail.com> wrote:
Well we did update but we learnt the hard way. Aidan and I both had
updated our systems everytime there was a windows issue and now I have
a typing problem and not even avast solved that. That's also a good
idea. On windows 8, people can use Avast. Aidan raved how good that
was. Maybe people can try that and see. Its a good program. Maybe you
can add to that Aidan. What is your experiences with AVast.

On 12/3/12, Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes it is sad, but a good anti virus will do the trick. I often found
that many of these so called security updates sometimes make something
rong wich were rite. So I don't update unless if I find service packs
and system updates.

On 03/12/2012, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote:
The main drawback in losing MS support for XP , as well as Outlook
2003,
in
that users will no longer receive security patches.

MS support ends on april 8, 2014:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/endofsupport.aspx

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:54 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Yes, of course support will cease. Or, if a system is working with
windows
XP then of course stick with it.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:43, Daniel Garcia <dangarcia3@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, that is true until April 2014, at which time, if I'm not
mistaken,
Microsoft will stop supporting XP.

Daniel


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

John,

I would tend to agree, and indeed my studio DAW still runs fine with
XP.
However the applications are stable and I've not done any major
upgrades
in
the past 4 years.

The problem I see is that if I do upgrade my major studio applications,
I'll
be forced to first upgrade to Windows 7 in order that they work. And
that
presumes that I don't upgrade to a newer processor or hardware overall.
Purchasing a new computer means getting W7 pre-installed at the very
least.

So if a person is satisfied with the hardware, versions of software,
and
JAWS that are running on XP, there's no reason to upgrade to W7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 06:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8
is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a
lot
of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer
with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have
one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would
probably
be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new
layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by
Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7
and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will
work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent
when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover.
I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone
setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them
help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me
for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own
and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they
learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like
so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice
over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we
advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest
and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they
are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over
the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary
King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how
to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works
with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment
to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while
ago,
I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a
Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the
Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the
Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have
been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so
a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making
an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a
couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows
8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or
switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of
software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally
blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Wel avast is good so far, but again, its not to say that there is no
other good antivirus, its just I came to no its accessible and it work
quite wel. I just like the audible feedback you get with system
messages. But if windows defender can do the job in windows8 then its
fine I guess. All personal preference.

On 03/12/2012, emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@gmail.com> wrote:
Well we did update but we learnt the hard way. Aidan and I both had
updated our systems everytime there was a windows issue and now I have
a typing problem and not even avast solved that. That's also a good
idea. On windows 8, people can use Avast. Aidan raved how good that
was. Maybe people can try that and see. Its a good program. Maybe you
can add to that Aidan. What is your experiences with AVast.

On 12/3/12, Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes it is sad, but a good anti virus will do the trick. I often found
that many of these so called security updates sometimes make something
rong wich were rite. So I don't update unless if I find service packs
and system updates.

On 03/12/2012, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote:
The main drawback in losing MS support for XP , as well as Outlook 2003,
in
that users will no longer receive security patches.

MS support ends on april 8, 2014:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/endofsupport.aspx

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:54 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Yes, of course support will cease. Or, if a system is working with
windows
XP then of course stick with it.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:43, Daniel Garcia <dangarcia3@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, that is true until April 2014, at which time, if I'm not
mistaken,
Microsoft will stop supporting XP.

Daniel


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

John,

I would tend to agree, and indeed my studio DAW still runs fine with XP.
However the applications are stable and I've not done any major upgrades
in
the past 4 years.

The problem I see is that if I do upgrade my major studio applications,
I'll
be forced to first upgrade to Windows 7 in order that they work. And
that
presumes that I don't upgrade to a newer processor or hardware overall.
Purchasing a new computer means getting W7 pre-installed at the very
least.

So if a person is satisfied with the hardware, versions of software, and
JAWS that are running on XP, there's no reason to upgrade to W7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 06:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8
is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot
of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer
with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably
be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new
layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by
Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7
and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will
work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent
when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover.
I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them
help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me
for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they
learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like
so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest
and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they
are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over
the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary
King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works
with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment
to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago,
I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a
Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the
Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the
Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have
been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a
couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows
8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or
switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...>
 

Well we did update but we learnt the hard way. Aidan and I both had
updated our systems everytime there was a windows issue and now I have
a typing problem and not even avast solved that. That's also a good
idea. On windows 8, people can use Avast. Aidan raved how good that
was. Maybe people can try that and see. Its a good program. Maybe you
can add to that Aidan. What is your experiences with AVast.

On 12/3/12, Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes it is sad, but a good anti virus will do the trick. I often found
that many of these so called security updates sometimes make something
rong wich were rite. So I don't update unless if I find service packs
and system updates.

On 03/12/2012, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote:
The main drawback in losing MS support for XP , as well as Outlook 2003,
in
that users will no longer receive security patches.

MS support ends on april 8, 2014:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/endofsupport.aspx

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:54 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Yes, of course support will cease. Or, if a system is working with
windows
XP then of course stick with it.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:43, Daniel Garcia <dangarcia3@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, that is true until April 2014, at which time, if I'm not mistaken,
Microsoft will stop supporting XP.

Daniel


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

John,

I would tend to agree, and indeed my studio DAW still runs fine with XP.
However the applications are stable and I've not done any major upgrades
in
the past 4 years.

The problem I see is that if I do upgrade my major studio applications,
I'll
be forced to first upgrade to Windows 7 in order that they work. And that
presumes that I don't upgrade to a newer processor or hardware overall.
Purchasing a new computer means getting W7 pre-installed at the very
least.

So if a person is satisfied with the hardware, versions of software, and
JAWS that are running on XP, there's no reason to upgrade to W7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 06:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot
of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer
with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably
be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new
layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will
work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover.
I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them
help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like
so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over
the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary
King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment
to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago,
I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?

Harris.Robert@...
 

Everyone adds great value out here.
Sometimes it does contradict what another says but that is a good thing,
different experiences, ideas, and, levels of vision. Nice to hear how
JAWS works for people with non vision disability too.

Bobby and back to running Prince






From: emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Date: 12/03/2012 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?
Sent by: "Jfw" <jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com>



Thanks. I think Aidan is cool but we all add to this conversation.
Aidan doesn't know everything but surr I'll try relax. I just
sometimes try to help and I don't know if its always helpful but maybe
I came across to strong. Thanks anyways though, I'll try just do my
best.

On 12/3/12, Harris.Robert@epamail.epa.gov
<Harris.Robert@epamail.epa.gov> wrote:

Emma, your helping out in ways that don't always get back to you.

Others like me have our hands full and just read along and pick up
things along the way and ask only burning questions.
So when you make suggestions some of us write them down and use them
for
talking points in our work environment so we can add value, wrestle
for
promotion and award and keep our jobs. and,,, that is what JAWS
(jobs
accommodation with speech) is.

So, Smile and be happy Your all good

Bobby and Prince




From: emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Date: 12/03/2012 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?
Sent by: "Jfw" <jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com>



Hey, does my suggestion help or do you want to use other virus
programs.. I understand Aidan is alot of help but I throw out ideas
and I don't know if you can use them or not. I never get feedback back
and understand Aidan knows more but I just wondered if tht helped you
at all.

On 12/3/12, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
What about a 64 bit?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aidan Maher" <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 13:09
Subject: Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?


If you run 32bit then even 2 gig ram should help. Just have a good
amount of space on your harddrive. Maybe 500 gig or more. Don't put
to
much ram if you not going to use it or have the budget. It would be
a
waste. For the stuff you want to do, 2 to 4 gig ram could be fine,
also depend on 32/64bit.

On 03/12/2012, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi,

Thanks to all for your advice so far. One other question if I am
going
to
use Windows 8 & Jaws 14, would a not expandable 8GB RAM be enough
to
run
both well & antivirus? BTW, which antivirus is most Jaws friendly?

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Yes it is sad, but a good anti virus will do the trick. I often found
that many of these so called security updates sometimes make something
rong wich were rite. So I don't update unless if I find service packs
and system updates.

On 03/12/2012, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote:
The main drawback in losing MS support for XP , as well as Outlook 2003, in
that users will no longer receive security patches.

MS support ends on april 8, 2014:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/endofsupport.aspx

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:54 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Yes, of course support will cease. Or, if a system is working with windows
XP then of course stick with it.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:43, Daniel Garcia <dangarcia3@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, that is true until April 2014, at which time, if I'm not mistaken,
Microsoft will stop supporting XP.

Daniel


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

John,

I would tend to agree, and indeed my studio DAW still runs fine with XP.
However the applications are stable and I've not done any major upgrades in
the past 4 years.

The problem I see is that if I do upgrade my major studio applications,
I'll
be forced to first upgrade to Windows 7 in order that they work. And that
presumes that I don't upgrade to a newer processor or hardware overall.
Purchasing a new computer means getting W7 pre-installed at the very least.

So if a person is satisfied with the hardware, versions of software, and
JAWS that are running on XP, there's no reason to upgrade to W7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 06:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer
with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably
be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new
layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will
work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?

emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...>
 

Thanks. I think Aidan is cool but we all add to this conversation.
Aidan doesn't know everything but surr I'll try relax. I just
sometimes try to help and I don't know if its always helpful but maybe
I came across to strong. Thanks anyways though, I'll try just do my
best.

On 12/3/12, Harris.Robert@epamail.epa.gov <Harris.Robert@epamail.epa.gov> wrote:

Emma, your helping out in ways that don't always get back to you.

Others like me have our hands full and just read along and pick up
things along the way and ask only burning questions.
So when you make suggestions some of us write them down and use them for
talking points in our work environment so we can add value, wrestle for
promotion and award and keep our jobs. and,,, that is what JAWS (jobs
accommodation with speech) is.

So, Smile and be happy Your all good

Bobby and Prince




From: emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Date: 12/03/2012 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?
Sent by: "Jfw" <jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com>



Hey, does my suggestion help or do you want to use other virus
programs.. I understand Aidan is alot of help but I throw out ideas
and I don't know if you can use them or not. I never get feedback back
and understand Aidan knows more but I just wondered if tht helped you
at all.

On 12/3/12, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
What about a 64 bit?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aidan Maher" <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 13:09
Subject: Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?


If you run 32bit then even 2 gig ram should help. Just have a good
amount of space on your harddrive. Maybe 500 gig or more. Don't put
to
much ram if you not going to use it or have the budget. It would be a
waste. For the stuff you want to do, 2 to 4 gig ram could be fine,
also depend on 32/64bit.

On 03/12/2012, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi,

Thanks to all for your advice so far. One other question if I am
going
to
use Windows 8 & Jaws 14, would a not expandable 8GB RAM be enough to
run
both well & antivirus? BTW, which antivirus is most Jaws friendly?

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?

Harris.Robert@...
 

Emma, your helping out in ways that don't always get back to you.

Others like me have our hands full and just read along and pick up
things along the way and ask only burning questions.
So when you make suggestions some of us write them down and use them for
talking points in our work environment so we can add value, wrestle for
promotion and award and keep our jobs. and,,, that is what JAWS (jobs
accommodation with speech) is.

So, Smile and be happy Your all good

Bobby and Prince




From: emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Date: 12/03/2012 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?
Sent by: "Jfw" <jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com>



Hey, does my suggestion help or do you want to use other virus
programs.. I understand Aidan is alot of help but I throw out ideas
and I don't know if you can use them or not. I never get feedback back
and understand Aidan knows more but I just wondered if tht helped you
at all.

On 12/3/12, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
What about a 64 bit?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aidan Maher" <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 13:09
Subject: Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?


If you run 32bit then even 2 gig ram should help. Just have a good
amount of space on your harddrive. Maybe 500 gig or more. Don't put
to
much ram if you not going to use it or have the budget. It would be a
waste. For the stuff you want to do, 2 to 4 gig ram could be fine,
also depend on 32/64bit.

On 03/12/2012, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi,

Thanks to all for your advice so far. One other question if I am
going
to
use Windows 8 & Jaws 14, would a not expandable 8GB RAM be enough to
run
both well & antivirus? BTW, which antivirus is most Jaws friendly?

Thanks,


Sincerely,

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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Adrian Spratt
 

The main drawback in losing MS support for XP , as well as Outlook 2003, in
that users will no longer receive security patches.

MS support ends on april 8, 2014:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/endofsupport.aspx

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:54 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Yes, of course support will cease. Or, if a system is working with windows
XP then of course stick with it.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:43, Daniel Garcia <dangarcia3@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, that is true until April 2014, at which time, if I'm not mistaken,
Microsoft will stop supporting XP.

Daniel


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

John,

I would tend to agree, and indeed my studio DAW still runs fine with XP.
However the applications are stable and I've not done any major upgrades in
the past 4 years.

The problem I see is that if I do upgrade my major studio applications, I'll
be forced to first upgrade to Windows 7 in order that they work. And that
presumes that I don't upgrade to a newer processor or hardware overall.
Purchasing a new computer means getting W7 pre-installed at the very least.

So if a person is satisfied with the hardware, versions of software, and
JAWS that are running on XP, there's no reason to upgrade to W7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 06:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?

emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...>
 

Ok, you told me its essentials but defender then.

On 12/3/12, emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey, does my suggestion help or do you want to use other virus
programs.. I understand Aidan is alot of help but I throw out ideas
and I don't know if you can use them or not. I never get feedback back
and understand Aidan knows more but I just wondered if tht helped you
at all.

On 12/3/12, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
What about a 64 bit?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aidan Maher" <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 13:09
Subject: Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?


If you run 32bit then even 2 gig ram should help. Just have a good
amount of space on your harddrive. Maybe 500 gig or more. Don't put to
much ram if you not going to use it or have the budget. It would be a
waste. For the stuff you want to do, 2 to 4 gig ram could be fine,
also depend on 32/64bit.

On 03/12/2012, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi,

Thanks to all for your advice so far. One other question if I am going
to
use Windows 8 & Jaws 14, would a not expandable 8GB RAM be enough to
run
both well & antivirus? BTW, which antivirus is most Jaws friendly?

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?

emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...>
 

Hey, does my suggestion help or do you want to use other virus
programs.. I understand Aidan is alot of help but I throw out ideas
and I don't know if you can use them or not. I never get feedback back
and understand Aidan knows more but I just wondered if tht helped you
at all.

On 12/3/12, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
What about a 64 bit?

Sincerely,

Lauren
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 13:09
Subject: Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?


If you run 32bit then even 2 gig ram should help. Just have a good
amount of space on your harddrive. Maybe 500 gig or more. Don't put to
much ram if you not going to use it or have the budget. It would be a
waste. For the stuff you want to do, 2 to 4 gig ram could be fine,
also depend on 32/64bit.

On 03/12/2012, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi,

Thanks to all for your advice so far. One other question if I am going
to
use Windows 8 & Jaws 14, would a not expandable 8GB RAM be enough to run
both well & antivirus? BTW, which antivirus is most Jaws friendly?

Thanks,


Sincerely,

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Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?

Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Wel, you don't always need 64bit, its mostly used for more powerfull
pc's with 16 gig ram or more and for highly powerful processing tasks.
So unless if you doing something more technical wich require alot of
programs to be open and take alot of power and cpu, then I guess you
won't need that. 32bit is fine for most people.

On 03/12/2012, Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:
You rite, except that its not essensiols but windows defender. They
change it to be both a spy where and anti virus, but if you want to
instal another antivirus you can, and defender will switch off.

On 03/12/2012, emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@gmail.com> wrote:
On windows 8, it already has essentials so you don't actually need a
virus program as its already there.

On 12/3/12, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi,

Thanks to all for your advice so far. One other question if I am going
to
use Windows 8 & Jaws 14, would a not expandable 8GB RAM be enough to run
both well & antivirus? BTW, which antivirus is most Jaws friendly?

Thanks,


Sincerely,

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Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?

Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

You rite, except that its not essensiols but windows defender. They
change it to be both a spy where and anti virus, but if you want to
instal another antivirus you can, and defender will switch off.

On 03/12/2012, emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@gmail.com> wrote:
On windows 8, it already has essentials so you don't actually need a
virus program as its already there.

On 12/3/12, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi,

Thanks to all for your advice so far. One other question if I am going to
use Windows 8 & Jaws 14, would a not expandable 8GB RAM be enough to run
both well & antivirus? BTW, which antivirus is most Jaws friendly?

Thanks,


Sincerely,

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Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?

Lauren
 

What about a 64 bit?

Sincerely,

Lauren

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aidan Maher" <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 13:09
Subject: Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?


If you run 32bit then even 2 gig ram should help. Just have a good
amount of space on your harddrive. Maybe 500 gig or more. Don't put to
much ram if you not going to use it or have the budget. It would be a
waste. For the stuff you want to do, 2 to 4 gig ram could be fine,
also depend on 32/64bit.

On 03/12/2012, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi,

Thanks to all for your advice so far. One other question if I am going to
use Windows 8 & Jaws 14, would a not expandable 8GB RAM be enough to run
both well & antivirus? BTW, which antivirus is most Jaws friendly?

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Windows 8 and MS Office XP

Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

It sound stil fine to me, of corse you can dubble check system
requirements but I con't see why it won't run. Windows8 is designed to
also work with older software.

On 03/12/2012, TeddyBear <teddybear25@sympatico.ca> wrote:
I have version 2002.
My laptop will have Windows 8, 64 bit. Will that make a difference?

Tracy
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Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: Windows 8 and MS Office XP


I'm sure so, wich version do you have?

On 03/12/2012, TeddyBear <teddybear25@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Good morning list:

I will be updating to Windows 8, but am tired of trying to work with the
ribbons in Office 2007. Will MS Office XP work on Windows 8 using Jaws
12?


Thanks in advance.

Tracy
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Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?

emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...>
 

On windows 8, it already has essentials so you don't actually need a
virus program as its already there.

On 12/3/12, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi,

Thanks to all for your advice so far. One other question if I am going to
use Windows 8 & Jaws 14, would a not expandable 8GB RAM be enough to run
both well & antivirus? BTW, which antivirus is most Jaws friendly?

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: accessibility question

Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Maybe so, but if it con't do things in the way you need, then also not helpfull.

On 03/12/2012, George B <gbmagoo@comcast.net> wrote:
Yes it is more accessable in it's own ways, but on the other hand you can
buy a new mac book pro 13 inch latest hardware for less then jaws pro and
have screen reader.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 07:52
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: accessibility question

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:47
Subject: Re: accessibility question


Yes, JAWS is more accessible than Apple.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:03, "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:

I can't stay with Windows XP & Microsoft said they will not support
it
much longer.

In terms of strict accessbility and not which is more trendy, fun or
cool,
but strictly accessible in terms of Word, Excel & music editing for
totally blind people, is Jaws still more accessible than Apple?

I'm asking this and don't want to start up a contest between the 2
different environments, but I am trying to find out information from
the
best source I know of.

I could buy a laptop with Win & Jaws 14 from this list's advice or an
apple mac and the cost would be the same.

Please advise; thank you.


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Sherrer"
<john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 09:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot
more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows
8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a
lot
of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a
computer
with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have
one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would
probably
be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new
layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by
Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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<lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14,
is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that
it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows
7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that
will
work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent
when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using
voiceover.
I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone
setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping
them
help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with
me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own
and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they
learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine,
like
so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-
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Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good
help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice
over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we
advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the
friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if
they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on
my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference
over
the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Gary
King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know
how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works
with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person,
how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store
environment
to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while
ago,
I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet,
playing a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to
do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-
based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has
never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on
the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes
for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on
the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have
been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups,
so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store,
making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a
couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren"
<lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used
Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or
switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of
software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally
blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: how much memory do you need for Jaws 14?

Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

If you run 32bit then even 2 gig ram should help. Just have a good
amount of space on your harddrive. Maybe 500 gig or more. Don't put to
much ram if you not going to use it or have the budget. It would be a
waste. For the stuff you want to do, 2 to 4 gig ram could be fine,
also depend on 32/64bit.

On 03/12/2012, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi,

Thanks to all for your advice so far. One other question if I am going to
use Windows 8 & Jaws 14, would a not expandable 8GB RAM be enough to run
both well & antivirus? BTW, which antivirus is most Jaws friendly?

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: accessibility question

George B
 

Yes it is more accessable in it's own ways, but on the other hand you can
buy a new mac book pro 13 inch latest hardware for less then jaws pro and
have screen reader.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 07:52
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: accessibility question

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:47
Subject: Re: accessibility question


Yes, JAWS is more accessible than Apple.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:03, "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:

I can't stay with Windows XP & Microsoft said they will not support
it
much longer.

In terms of strict accessbility and not which is more trendy, fun or
cool,
but strictly accessible in terms of Word, Excel & music editing for
totally blind people, is Jaws still more accessible than Apple?

I'm asking this and don't want to start up a contest between the 2
different environments, but I am trying to find out information from
the
best source I know of.

I could buy a laptop with Win & Jaws 14 from this list's advice or an
apple mac and the cost would be the same.

Please advise; thank you.


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Sherrer"
<john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 09:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot
more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows
8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a
lot
of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a
computer
with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have
one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would
probably
be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new
layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by
Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren"
<lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14,
is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that
it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows
7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that
will
work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson"
<dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent
when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using
voiceover.
I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone
setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping
them
help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with
me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own
and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they
learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine,
like
so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-
jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good
help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice
over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we
advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the
friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if
they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on
my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference
over
the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Gary
King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know
how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works
with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person,
how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store
environment
to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while
ago,
I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet,
playing a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to
do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-
based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has
never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on
the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes
for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on
the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have
been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups,
so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store,
making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a
couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren"
<lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used
Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or
switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of
software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally
blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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