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Re: SMA Renewal Letter

Dave...
 

Mitch,

Not received mine yet, but I would expect that you can renew any time up
until the next major release is announced, so probably as late as July or
August of next year. But why not call FS and ask? Then you can share the
correct information with the list, rather than hanging on my suppositions.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Mitchell" <mitch@orbitelcom.com>
To: "Jaws List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 09:30
Subject: SMA Renewal Letter


Cheers: Have those of you whose SMA expired with JAWS 14 received a SMA
renewal letter yet?
If so, what is the deadline for renewal without a pricing penalty?
Thank you, Mitch

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afterwards.
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Re: SMA Renewal Letter

dennis <dennis.cornelison@...>
 

just got mine about 2 weeks ago. its december 31st.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Schnurr" <tcb_357@att.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: SMA Renewal Letter


Mitch,

When you receive the letter; the deadline will be posted in that letter.
Since I receive my SMA every other year; I will not have one this year to
verify your question. However, The deadline has always been by 31 December.

Regards.

Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Monday, 03 December, 2012 12:30
To: Jaws List
Subject: SMA Renewal Letter

Cheers: Have those of you whose SMA expired with JAWS 14 received a SMA
renewal letter yet?
If so, what is the deadline for renewal without a pricing penalty?
Thank you, Mitch

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afterwards.
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Re: SMA Renewal Letter

Tony Schnurr
 

Mitch,

When you receive the letter; the deadline will be posted in that letter.
Since I receive my SMA every other year; I will not have one this year to
verify your question. However, The deadline has always been by 31 December.

Regards.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Monday, 03 December, 2012 12:30
To: Jaws List
Subject: SMA Renewal Letter

Cheers: Have those of you whose SMA expired with JAWS 14 received a SMA
renewal letter yet?
If so, what is the deadline for renewal without a pricing penalty?
Thank you, Mitch

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afterwards.
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Re: SMA Renewal Letter

Charles Coe
 

Hi,

The deadline is dec 31, 2012

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 9:30 AM
To: Jaws List
Subject: SMA Renewal Letter

Cheers: Have those of you whose SMA expired with JAWS 14 received a SMA
renewal letter yet?
If so, what is the deadline for renewal without a pricing penalty?
Thank you, Mitch

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afterwards.
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SMA Renewal Letter

Dave Mitchell
 

Cheers: Have those of you whose SMA expired with JAWS 14 received a SMA renewal letter yet?
If so, what is the deadline for renewal without a pricing penalty?
Thank you, Mitch

Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards.
~Vernon Sanders Law~


Re: Windows 8 and MS Office XP

Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

I'm sure so, wich version do you have?

On 03/12/2012, TeddyBear <teddybear25@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Good morning list:

I will be updating to Windows 8, but am tired of trying to work with the
ribbons in Office 2007. Will MS Office XP work on Windows 8 using Jaws 12?


Thanks in advance.

Tracy
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Cristóbal
 

Yes, might as well go to 14 since the cost would be the same and it's not
clear if FS would allow for an upgrade to an already outdated version of
Jaws.
In my experieence, Jaws 12 turned out to be the disaster of disasters, but I
guess experiences are bound to vary among users. That said, 14 does
definitely feel a lot better over all than the last two releases and with
much needed fixes for Outlook 2010 and other stuff.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:33 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

In my opinion, it would be crazy to go to JAWS 13, the worst version ever
released.
JAWS 14 went a long, long way toward correcting the train wreck of JAWS 13.
Go for 14!
I'm using windows 7 at work and, now, Windows 8 at home.
I really like Windows 8, but that may be the machine too. I cannot identify
which.
These work machines are so horribly emasculated that I'm not sure Windows
3.11 wouldn't be an improvement.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 8:26 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

If you have to buy and upgrade to get to JAWS `12 or 13, you might as well
go for 14. I don't think Freedom will just upgrade you to an earlier
version. If you upgrade now, they're going to upgrade you to 14 anyway. I
haven't used Windows 8, but I know of a number of blind people who are doing
so quite successfully. Even if you decide to stick to Windows 7, I'd still
recommend 14. I love the flexible web feature.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of emma goodwin
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:49 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

If you don't have Jaws then it may be a bit pricy but once you have a
licence then you only have to pay an upgrade fee to the next version unless
you skip a few versions and then you have to pay a lot. I didn't have
problems with Jaws 13. Some people had but it all depends again on what you
want to do. A mac is great but the fact is that you have to use it regularly
and its true that you don't have to pay for extra software but unless you
know what apps you can use, you may use windows based programs more and then
win7 and Jaws is better. I am not sure if you can still get a new licence
for the older versions of Jaws, I know freedom still has them on their
website but maybe buy Jaws 13 and a SMA and then upgrade to Jaws 14 when you
ready. I have downloaded Jaws 14 but I haven't used it yet. I am waiting for
some of the bugs to be fixed because I hear their are too many issues and
things that have to be sorted out. All of the best on your decisions.

On 12/1/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Go for Windows 7 and JAWS 11, 12, 13, or 14, depending on what you
already have.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 08:10
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7
and Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will
work for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
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From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent
when knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using
voiceover. I've already run into more than one, just with the iPod and
iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them
help me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me
for some keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on
my own and the so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like
so many of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good
help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use
voice over and provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is
comprised of totally blind individuals and have experience working
with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest
and most helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care
if they are friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over
the other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary
King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works
with various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person,
how long would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store
environment to get a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago,
I recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet,
playing a few tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you
wanted to do serious office work, your productivity would be much
better on a Windows-based PC with JAWS or another commercial screen
reader. Microsoft has never made much effort to write their Office
software to be accessible on the Mac platform, so a Mac user would
need to find workable substitutes for Word Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the
Mac user groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that
have been done on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few
of those podcasts that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the
user groups, so a little Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a
couple Macs and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows
8 with Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or
switch to an Apple where I don't have to shell out money for
upgrades of software like Jaws, but can't afford any less
accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Windows 8 and MS Office XP

TeddyBear
 

Good morning list:

I will be updating to Windows 8, but am tired of trying to work with the ribbons in Office 2007. Will MS Office XP work on Windows 8 using Jaws 12?

Thanks in advance.

Tracy
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Re: accessibility question

Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Yes, and if you need more guidance then ask. I do love jaws but I just
like and manage supernova interface even more. And I love the aurthius
synthesizer.

On 03/12/2012, Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Emma, you so rite. Wel said. If you think DancingDots
offerings are expensive, then think again, yes its not cheap but its a
once off payment for the most part. As soon as you need pro plug ins
and other scripts then you start paying even more. There are reaper
for windows, and also JSonar scripts wich are free and open sorce,
work quite wel. If you just want to manage music and need a good media
player then I guess mac and windows are both even there. Pro tools are
accessible on mac for audio, but for midi O boy I rather cry. And for
audio editing there are stuff like sound stereo for mac and also
audacity but I don't no how accessible it is on mac, so jaws is your
best friend again there. And of corse the lovely GoldWave in windows.

On 03/12/2012, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
As for Microsoft Word and Excel, there's no contest; JAWS is the clear
choice. I haven't heard of anyone using these programs on the Mac.
Aside
from the rather expensive offerings from Dancing Dots, I don't know what
programs are used for music editing on the Windows platform. There may
be
Voiceover-compatible music editing programs on the Mac, but you would
need
to do some research.
Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 9:03 AM
Subject: accessibility question


I can't stay with Windows XP & Microsoft said they will not support it
much

longer.

In terms of strict accessbility and not which is more trendy, fun or
cool,

but strictly accessible in terms of Word, Excel & music editing for
totally blind people, is Jaws still more accessible than Apple?

I'm asking this and don't want to start up a contest between the 2
different environments, but I am trying to find out information from the
best source I know of.

I could buy a laptop with Win & Jaws 14 from this list's advice or an
apple mac and the cost would be the same.

Please advise; thank you.


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 09:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8
is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a
lot

of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
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From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer
with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have
one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would
probably

be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new
layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by
Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7
and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will
work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
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From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent
when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover.
I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone
setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them
help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me
for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own
and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they
learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like
so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice
over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we
advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest
and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they
are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over
the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary
King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how
to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works
with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment
to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while
ago,

I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a
Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the
Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the
Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have
been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so
a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making
an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a
couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows
8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or
switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of
software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally
blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: accessibility question

Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Thank you Emma, you so rite. Wel said. If you think DancingDots
offerings are expensive, then think again, yes its not cheap but its a
once off payment for the most part. As soon as you need pro plug ins
and other scripts then you start paying even more. There are reaper
for windows, and also JSonar scripts wich are free and open sorce,
work quite wel. If you just want to manage music and need a good media
player then I guess mac and windows are both even there. Pro tools are
accessible on mac for audio, but for midi O boy I rather cry. And for
audio editing there are stuff like sound stereo for mac and also
audacity but I don't no how accessible it is on mac, so jaws is your
best friend again there. And of corse the lovely GoldWave in windows.

On 03/12/2012, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
As for Microsoft Word and Excel, there's no contest; JAWS is the clear
choice. I haven't heard of anyone using these programs on the Mac. Aside
from the rather expensive offerings from Dancing Dots, I don't know what
programs are used for music editing on the Windows platform. There may be
Voiceover-compatible music editing programs on the Mac, but you would need
to do some research.
Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 9:03 AM
Subject: accessibility question


I can't stay with Windows XP & Microsoft said they will not support it much

longer.

In terms of strict accessbility and not which is more trendy, fun or cool,

but strictly accessible in terms of Word, Excel & music editing for
totally blind people, is Jaws still more accessible than Apple?

I'm asking this and don't want to start up a contest between the 2
different environments, but I am trying to find out information from the
best source I know of.

I could buy a laptop with Win & Jaws 14 from this list's advice or an
apple mac and the cost would be the same.

Please advise; thank you.


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 09:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8
is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot

of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer
with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably

be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new
layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by
Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7
and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will
work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent
when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover.
I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them
help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me
for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they
learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like
so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest
and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they
are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over
the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary
King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works
with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment
to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago,

I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a
Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the
Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the
Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have
been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a
couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows
8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or
switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: accessibility question

emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...>
 

Well Supernova is a wonderful screenreader but if you want to use your
computer for music the you may have to stay with Jaws but Aidan has
many times said to me that if it wasn't for his music, he wouldn't of
bought Jaws but Supernova so I think again its all in preference.
Obviously the peple who use and get alot from Jaws will say go for
Jaws and those who use Window eyes or supernova will say go for those
instead so I think Lauren must decide for herself but I suggest count
the pros and cons, do your homework and then let us know what you
decide.

On 12/3/12, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
As for Microsoft Word and Excel, there's no contest; JAWS is the clear
choice. I haven't heard of anyone using these programs on the Mac. Aside
from the rather expensive offerings from Dancing Dots, I don't know what
programs are used for music editing on the Windows platform. There may be
Voiceover-compatible music editing programs on the Mac, but you would need
to do some research.
Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 9:03 AM
Subject: accessibility question


I can't stay with Windows XP & Microsoft said they will not support it much

longer.

In terms of strict accessbility and not which is more trendy, fun or cool,

but strictly accessible in terms of Word, Excel & music editing for
totally blind people, is Jaws still more accessible than Apple?

I'm asking this and don't want to start up a contest between the 2
different environments, but I am trying to find out information from the
best source I know of.

I could buy a laptop with Win & Jaws 14 from this list's advice or an
apple mac and the cost would be the same.

Please advise; thank you.


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 09:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8
is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot

of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer
with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably

be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new
layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by
Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7
and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will
work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent
when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover.
I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them
help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me
for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they
learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like
so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest
and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they
are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over
the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary
King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works
with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment
to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago,

I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a
Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the
Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the
Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have
been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a
couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows
8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or
switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: accessibility question

Gary King
 

As for Microsoft Word and Excel, there's no contest; JAWS is the clear choice. I haven't heard of anyone using these programs on the Mac. Aside from the rather expensive offerings from Dancing Dots, I don't know what programs are used for music editing on the Windows platform. There may be Voiceover-compatible music editing programs on the Mac, but you would need to do some research.
Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 9:03 AM
Subject: accessibility question


I can't stay with Windows XP & Microsoft said they will not support it much longer.

In terms of strict accessbility and not which is more trendy, fun or cool, but strictly accessible in terms of Word, Excel & music editing for totally blind people, is Jaws still more accessible than Apple?

I'm asking this and don't want to start up a contest between the 2 different environments, but I am trying to find out information from the best source I know of.

I could buy a laptop with Win & Jaws 14 from this list's advice or an apple mac and the cost would be the same.

Please advise; thank you.


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 09:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: accessibility question

emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...>
 

Believe me Aidan has been trying to do music for years and he still
needs to buy the right software. Music isn't easy so don't think by
buying Jaws and windows 7 that your music will come together just like
that. You need things like a soundcard, a good mike, a midi keyboard
and things to consider like sonar and caketalking or other things so
just saying I need to do it for music is a bit misleading. I agree
stay with windows then. Yes it is a lot of money but as we said to you
for a few days now, if you buy Jaws then you just have to pay for the
upgrade fee so you don't have to pay that expensive price everytime. I
think it is all about preference. If you listen to serotalk and
tripple click home, they all have macs and they blind and love them,
they don't want to ever use windows again but some people need windows
so it depends what you must do but as you described, you usually doing
windows tasks so maybe a mac for you wouldn't be so beneficial.

On 12/3/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
And stick with JAWS

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:58, "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:

I do mostly word processing tasks, word, excel, publisher, email, internet
and starting to get into music and music editing software. I need things
accessible as possible and it seems I'll have to plunk down the $400 for
Jaws upgrade and SMA.

They need to have a special lottery for blind people to afford all this
stuff :)

Thanks for the advice.

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message ----- From: "Aidan Maher"
<aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:52
Subject: Re: accessibility question


If you mean if windows is more productive then mac, if I get you rite,
wel that must be true. Mac is good for things here and there. But for
doing large amount of office work quick and in a pro mannor, wel that
don't happen. For music and pere audio tasks its good enough, it
really depend what is your aim here, if you can provide more info then
it would be easyer. As far as accessibility goes, IWork on the mac is
accessible but not enough as far as I get it, to allow to work without
using alot of work arounds to acomplish many tasks. But for music I
don't no but it should be a better experience there.

On 03/12/2012, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
I can't stay with Windows XP & Microsoft said they will not support it
much

longer.

In terms of strict accessbility and not which is more trendy, fun or
cool,
but strictly accessible in terms of Word, Excel & music editing for
totally

blind people, is Jaws still more accessible than Apple?

I'm asking this and don't want to start up a contest between the 2
different

environments, but I am trying to find out information from the best
source I

know of.

I could buy a laptop with Win & Jaws 14 from this list's advice or an
apple

mac and the cost would be the same.

Please advise; thank you.


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 09:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8
is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a
lot
of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer
with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have
one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would
probably
be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new
layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by
Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7
and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will
work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent
when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover.
I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone
setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them
help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me
for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own
and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they
learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like
so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice
over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we
advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest
and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they
are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over
the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary
King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how
to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works
with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment
to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while
ago,
I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a
Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the
Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the
Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have
been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so
a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making
an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a
couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows
8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or
switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of
software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally
blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: accessibility question

Dave...
 

And stick with JAWS

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:58, "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:

I do mostly word processing tasks, word, excel, publisher, email, internet and starting to get into music and music editing software. I need things accessible as possible and it seems I'll have to plunk down the $400 for Jaws upgrade and SMA.

They need to have a special lottery for blind people to afford all this stuff :)

Thanks for the advice.

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message ----- From: "Aidan Maher" <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:52
Subject: Re: accessibility question


If you mean if windows is more productive then mac, if I get you rite,
wel that must be true. Mac is good for things here and there. But for
doing large amount of office work quick and in a pro mannor, wel that
don't happen. For music and pere audio tasks its good enough, it
really depend what is your aim here, if you can provide more info then
it would be easyer. As far as accessibility goes, IWork on the mac is
accessible but not enough as far as I get it, to allow to work without
using alot of work arounds to acomplish many tasks. But for music I
don't no but it should be a better experience there.

On 03/12/2012, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
I can't stay with Windows XP & Microsoft said they will not support it much

longer.

In terms of strict accessbility and not which is more trendy, fun or cool,
but strictly accessible in terms of Word, Excel & music editing for totally

blind people, is Jaws still more accessible than Apple?

I'm asking this and don't want to start up a contest between the 2 different

environments, but I am trying to find out information from the best source I

know of.

I could buy a laptop with Win & Jaws 14 from this list's advice or an apple

mac and the cost would be the same.

Please advise; thank you.


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 09:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot
of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer
with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably
be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new
layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will
work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover.
I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them
help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like
so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over
the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary
King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment
to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago,
I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: accessibility question

Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Wel in that case, stick with windows. Yes its so unfair all these
costs. I think that freedom really need to get different payment
plans, and I really wish they can change the activation methord. It
sucks.

On 03/12/2012, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
I do mostly word processing tasks, word, excel, publisher, email, internet
and starting to get into music and music editing software. I need things
accessible as possible and it seems I'll have to plunk down the $400 for
Jaws upgrade and SMA.

They need to have a special lottery for blind people to afford all this
stuff :)

Thanks for the advice.

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aidan Maher" <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:52
Subject: Re: accessibility question


If you mean if windows is more productive then mac, if I get you rite,
wel that must be true. Mac is good for things here and there. But for
doing large amount of office work quick and in a pro mannor, wel that
don't happen. For music and pere audio tasks its good enough, it
really depend what is your aim here, if you can provide more info then
it would be easyer. As far as accessibility goes, IWork on the mac is
accessible but not enough as far as I get it, to allow to work without
using alot of work arounds to acomplish many tasks. But for music I
don't no but it should be a better experience there.

On 03/12/2012, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
I can't stay with Windows XP & Microsoft said they will not support it
much

longer.

In terms of strict accessbility and not which is more trendy, fun or
cool,
but strictly accessible in terms of Word, Excel & music editing for
totally

blind people, is Jaws still more accessible than Apple?

I'm asking this and don't want to start up a contest between the 2
different

environments, but I am trying to find out information from the best
source I

know of.

I could buy a laptop with Win & Jaws 14 from this list's advice or an
apple

mac and the cost would be the same.

Please advise; thank you.


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 09:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8
is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a
lot
of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer
with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have
one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would
probably
be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new
layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by
Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7
and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will
work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent
when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover.
I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone
setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them
help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me
for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own
and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they
learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like
so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice
over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we
advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest
and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they
are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over
the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary
King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how
to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works
with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment
to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while
ago,
I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a
Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the
Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the
Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have
been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so
a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making
an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a
couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows

8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or
switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of
software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally
blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: accessibility question

Lauren
 

I do mostly word processing tasks, word, excel, publisher, email, internet and starting to get into music and music editing software. I need things accessible as possible and it seems I'll have to plunk down the $400 for Jaws upgrade and SMA.

They need to have a special lottery for blind people to afford all this stuff :)

Thanks for the advice.

Sincerely,

Lauren

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aidan Maher" <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:52
Subject: Re: accessibility question


If you mean if windows is more productive then mac, if I get you rite,
wel that must be true. Mac is good for things here and there. But for
doing large amount of office work quick and in a pro mannor, wel that
don't happen. For music and pere audio tasks its good enough, it
really depend what is your aim here, if you can provide more info then
it would be easyer. As far as accessibility goes, IWork on the mac is
accessible but not enough as far as I get it, to allow to work without
using alot of work arounds to acomplish many tasks. But for music I
don't no but it should be a better experience there.

On 03/12/2012, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
I can't stay with Windows XP & Microsoft said they will not support it much

longer.

In terms of strict accessbility and not which is more trendy, fun or cool,
but strictly accessible in terms of Word, Excel & music editing for totally

blind people, is Jaws still more accessible than Apple?

I'm asking this and don't want to start up a contest between the 2 different

environments, but I am trying to find out information from the best source I

know of.

I could buy a laptop with Win & Jaws 14 from this list's advice or an apple

mac and the cost would be the same.

Please advise; thank you.


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 09:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot
of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer
with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably
be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new
layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will
work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover.
I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them
help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like
so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over
the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary
King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment
to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago,
I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave...
 

Yes, of course support will cease. Or, if a system is working with windows XP then of course stick with it.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:43, Daniel Garcia <dangarcia3@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, that is true until April 2014, at which time, if I'm not mistaken,
Microsoft will stop supporting XP.

Daniel


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

John,

I would tend to agree, and indeed my studio DAW still runs fine with XP.
However the applications are stable and I've not done any major upgrades in
the past 4 years.

The problem I see is that if I do upgrade my major studio applications, I'll
be forced to first upgrade to Windows 7 in order that they work. And that
presumes that I don't upgrade to a newer processor or hardware overall.
Purchasing a new computer means getting W7 pre-installed at the very least.

So if a person is satisfied with the hardware, versions of software, and
JAWS that are running on XP, there's no reason to upgrade to W7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 06:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: accessibility question

Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

If you mean if windows is more productive then mac, if I get you rite,
wel that must be true. Mac is good for things here and there. But for
doing large amount of office work quick and in a pro mannor, wel that
don't happen. For music and pere audio tasks its good enough, it
really depend what is your aim here, if you can provide more info then
it would be easyer. As far as accessibility goes, IWork on the mac is
accessible but not enough as far as I get it, to allow to work without
using alot of work arounds to acomplish many tasks. But for music I
don't no but it should be a better experience there.

On 03/12/2012, Lauren <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:
I can't stay with Windows XP & Microsoft said they will not support it much

longer.

In terms of strict accessbility and not which is more trendy, fun or cool,
but strictly accessible in terms of Word, Excel & music editing for totally

blind people, is Jaws still more accessible than Apple?

I'm asking this and don't want to start up a contest between the 2 different

environments, but I am trying to find out information from the best source I

know of.

I could buy a laptop with Win & Jaws 14 from this list's advice or an apple

mac and the cost would be the same.

Please advise; thank you.


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 09:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot
of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer
with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably
be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new
layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will
work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover.
I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them
help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like
so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over
the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary
King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment
to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago,
I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: accessibility question

Lauren
 

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Lauren

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:47
Subject: Re: accessibility question


Yes, JAWS is more accessible than Apple.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:03, "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:

I can't stay with Windows XP & Microsoft said they will not support it much longer.

In terms of strict accessbility and not which is more trendy, fun or cool, but strictly accessible in terms of Word, Excel & music editing for totally blind people, is Jaws still more accessible than Apple?

I'm asking this and don't want to start up a contest between the 2 different environments, but I am trying to find out information from the best source I know of.

I could buy a laptop with Win & Jaws 14 from this list's advice or an apple mac and the cost would be the same.

Please advise; thank you.


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 09:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: accessibility question

Dave...
 

Yes, JAWS is more accessible than Apple.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:03, "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net> wrote:

I can't stay with Windows XP & Microsoft said they will not support it much longer.

In terms of strict accessbility and not which is more trendy, fun or cool, but strictly accessible in terms of Word, Excel & music editing for totally blind people, is Jaws still more accessible than Apple?

I'm asking this and don't want to start up a contest between the 2 different environments, but I am trying to find out information from the best source I know of.

I could buy a laptop with Win & Jaws 14 from this list's advice or an apple mac and the cost would be the same.

Please advise; thank you.


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 09:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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