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accessibility question

Lauren
 

I can't stay with Windows XP & Microsoft said they will not support it much longer.

In terms of strict accessbility and not which is more trendy, fun or cool, but strictly accessible in terms of Word, Excel & music editing for totally blind people, is Jaws still more accessible than Apple?

I'm asking this and don't want to start up a contest between the 2 different environments, but I am trying to find out information from the best source I know of.

I could buy a laptop with Win & Jaws 14 from this list's advice or an apple mac and the cost would be the same.

Please advise; thank you.


Sincerely,

Lauren

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 09:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave...
 

John,

I would tend to agree, and indeed my studio DAW still runs fine with XP.
However the applications are stable and I've not done any major upgrades in
the past 4 years.

The problem I see is that if I do upgrade my major studio applications, I'll
be forced to first upgrade to Windows 7 in order that they work. And that
presumes that I don't upgrade to a newer processor or hardware overall.
Purchasing a new computer means getting W7 pre-installed at the very least.

So if a person is satisfied with the hardware, versions of software, and
JAWS that are running on XP, there's no reason to upgrade to W7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sherrer" <john@whitecane.org>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 06:46
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

John ESherrer
 

I would stay with XP, it is better than W7.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lauren
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

In my opinion, it would be crazy to go to JAWS 13, the worst version ever released.
JAWS 14 went a long, long way toward correcting the train wreck of JAWS 13.
Go for 14!
I'm using windows 7 at work and, now, Windows 8 at home.
I really like Windows 8, but that may be the machine too. I cannot identify which.
These work machines are so horribly emasculated that I'm not sure Windows 3.11 wouldn't be an improvement.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 8:26 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

If you have to buy and upgrade to get to JAWS `12 or 13, you might as well
go for 14. I don't think Freedom will just upgrade you to an earlier
version. If you upgrade now, they're going to upgrade you to 14 anyway. I
haven't used Windows 8, but I know of a number of blind people who are doing
so quite successfully. Even if you decide to stick to Windows 7, I'd still
recommend 14. I love the flexible web feature.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of emma goodwin
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:49 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

If you don't have Jaws then it may be a bit pricy but once you have a
licence then you only have to pay an upgrade fee to the next version
unless you skip a few versions and then you have to pay a lot. I
didn't have problems with Jaws 13. Some people had but it all depends
again on what you want to do. A mac is great but the fact is that you
have to use it regularly and its true that you don't have to pay for
extra software but unless you know what apps you can use, you may use
windows based programs more and then win7 and Jaws is better. I am not
sure if you can still get a new licence for the older versions of
Jaws, I know freedom still has them on their website but maybe buy
Jaws 13 and a SMA and then upgrade to Jaws 14 when you ready. I have
downloaded Jaws 14 but I haven't used it yet. I am waiting for some of
the bugs to be fixed because I hear their are too many issues and
things that have to be sorted out. All of the best on your decisions.

On 12/1/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Go for Windows 7 and JAWS 11, 12, 13, or 14, depending on what you already
have.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 08:10
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is that
very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a touch
screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and Jaws 12
or
13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
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From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over training
at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...>
 

If you have to buy and upgrade to get to JAWS `12 or 13, you might as well
go for 14. I don't think Freedom will just upgrade you to an earlier
version. If you upgrade now, they're going to upgrade you to 14 anyway. I
haven't used Windows 8, but I know of a number of blind people who are doing
so quite successfully. Even if you decide to stick to Windows 7, I'd still
recommend 14. I love the flexible web feature.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of emma goodwin
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:49 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

If you don't have Jaws then it may be a bit pricy but once you have a
licence then you only have to pay an upgrade fee to the next version
unless you skip a few versions and then you have to pay a lot. I
didn't have problems with Jaws 13. Some people had but it all depends
again on what you want to do. A mac is great but the fact is that you
have to use it regularly and its true that you don't have to pay for
extra software but unless you know what apps you can use, you may use
windows based programs more and then win7 and Jaws is better. I am not
sure if you can still get a new licence for the older versions of
Jaws, I know freedom still has them on their website but maybe buy
Jaws 13 and a SMA and then upgrade to Jaws 14 when you ready. I have
downloaded Jaws 14 but I haven't used it yet. I am waiting for some of
the bugs to be fixed because I hear their are too many issues and
things that have to be sorted out. All of the best on your decisions.

On 12/1/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Go for Windows 7 and JAWS 11, 12, 13, or 14, depending on what you already
have.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 08:10
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is that
very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a touch
screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and Jaws 12
or
13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over training
at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Java page to confirm it is up to date

Adrian Spratt
 

I wondered the same thing. I don't have an answer, but I do know that Sun
Micro/Oracle specifically instruct that it be deleted.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 12:50 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Java page to confirm it is up to date


Thanks for this information. Exactly what is the ppurpose of Java Run Time
Environment? Is it really needed for anything?

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 9:34 AM
Subject: Java page to confirm it is up to date


I find that JAWS's performance is affected by Java. While in add/remove
programs, I happened to check if Java was up to date on my system. It is,
but in the process of confirming, I discovered I had an old version that
the
Java website said might be impeding my PC's performance and compromising
security. The only Java application that should show up in add/remove
programs on XP is version 7. I also had version 6. The website
specifically
recommends deleting Java Run time environment, which I'd done some time
ago.
Now that I've removed Java 6, I've noticed an improvement in my PC's
performance.

The following link takes you to the Java page that enables you to
determine
both if your system is up to date, for whichever operating system you
have,
and if your computer has any old versions. Once on that page, press h once
to locate the section you need.

<http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp>
http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
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Re: Setting up outlook calendar

Michael Mote
 

Thank you sir. Got this one. Not sure why I missed the last one.

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From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Setting up outlook calendar


Done.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Mote" <miketmote73@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 12:08
Subject: Re: Setting up outlook calendar


Would you mind sending it again please? Did not get it. Just switched
e-mails to this address.
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Setting up outlook calendar


Mike,

Did you see if my version 2007 hints worked?

Dave Carlson
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Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Mote" <miketmote73@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 06:46
Subject: Setting up outlook calendar


Hi folks. Could someone tell me the best way to set up my Outlook 2010
calendar? I don't remember how to do it. Haven't used it in quite
awhile.
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Re: Setting up outlook calendar

Dave...
 

Done.

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Mote" <miketmote73@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 12:08
Subject: Re: Setting up outlook calendar


Would you mind sending it again please? Did not get it. Just switched
e-mails to this address.
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Setting up outlook calendar


Mike,

Did you see if my version 2007 hints worked?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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From: "Mike Mote" <miketmote73@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 06:46
Subject: Setting up outlook calendar


Hi folks. Could someone tell me the best way to set up my Outlook 2010
calendar? I don't remember how to do it. Haven't used it in quite
awhile.
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Fw: Configuring the calendar in Outlook 2007/2010.

Dave...
 

Dave Carlson
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Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 09:13
Subject: Re: Configuring the calendar in Outlook 2007/2010.


Mike,

Using 2007, but these selections should be similar in 2010:

All these are on the View Menu:

Current View
Day/Week/Month checked

Navigation Pane
On checked

ToDo Bar
Off checked

Reading Pane
Off checked

Daily Task List
Off checked
Day Ctrl+Alt+1 checked

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Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 07:41
Subject: Configuring the calendar in Outlook 2007/2010.


Hi folks. I need some general help on configuring my calendar in Outlook
2010. Wondering if the same steps apply to 2007 versions also. Thanks!
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Re: Setting up outlook calendar

Michael Mote
 

Would you mind sending it again please? Did not get it. Just switched e-mails to this address.

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Setting up outlook calendar


Mike,

Did you see if my version 2007 hints worked?

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 06:46
Subject: Setting up outlook calendar


Hi folks. Could someone tell me the best way to set up my Outlook 2010
calendar? I don't remember how to do it. Haven't used it in quite awhile.
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Cy Selfridge
 

Gary,
I think you have it pegged correctly.
W7 is not all that much different from XP so far as the user is concerned.
W7 does have a few *very nice* features one of which is automatically
fetching drivers for new devices.
I will stick with W7 as long as possible, probably longer than I am going to
be on this earth.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer with a
touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one. If
you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft as
long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is that
very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a touch
screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and Jaws 12
or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over training
at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Java page to confirm it is up to date

Gerald Levy
 

Thanks for this information. Exactly what is the ppurpose of Java Run Time Environment? Is it really needed for anything?

Gerald

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 9:34 AM
Subject: Java page to confirm it is up to date


I find that JAWS's performance is affected by Java. While in add/remove
programs, I happened to check if Java was up to date on my system. It is,
but in the process of confirming, I discovered I had an old version that the
Java website said might be impeding my PC's performance and compromising
security. The only Java application that should show up in add/remove
programs on XP is version 7. I also had version 6. The website specifically
recommends deleting Java Run time environment, which I'd done some time ago.
Now that I've removed Java 6, I've noticed an improvement in my PC's
performance.

The following link takes you to the Java page that enables you to determine
both if your system is up to date, for whichever operating system you have,
and if your computer has any old versions. Once on that page, press h once
to locate the section you need.

<http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp>
http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
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Re: How to disable "graphic spoken" in Windows Explorer

Bhavesh
 

Hi,

When in the windows explorer, press insurt+V or if you are using a
laptop, you can also press kapslock+V. if you are using jaws13 or
later, you will get something like "quick settings-explorer from".
type in "graphic" without the quotes and press downarrow key. then
press spacebar to toggle between various choices. there you will have
graphics-labelled, , nun or all. select labelled or or nun. in both
the cases jaws won't announce "graphic" once you hit enter on your
preffered choice. if you are using jaws12 or prior, just press
insurt+V or kapslock+V and type first 2 letters of the word graphics,
and then follow the steps written above.

hope this helps.
Thanks,
Bhavesh

On 12/2/12, Nguyen Van Dung <dungnv1984@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello

I use Windows Explorer to travel files and folders. Sometimes, when I
select
an item (by using arrow key), Jaws speaks: "Graphics+ number + graphic +
number + item name."

The number in Jaws spoken sentence may be item label size. ( I guess so).

In this case, it is difficult to hear item name exactly , so I don't like
to
hear it. I'd like to hear only item name.

Anyone has a solution for this situation?



Thank you.

Dung Nguyen.

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How to disable "graphic spoken" in Windows Explorer

Nguyen Van Dung <dungnv1984@...>
 

Hello

I use Windows Explorer to travel files and folders. Sometimes, when I select
an item (by using arrow key), Jaws speaks: "Graphics+ number + graphic +
number + item name."

The number in Jaws spoken sentence may be item label size. ( I guess so).

In this case, it is difficult to hear item name exactly , so I don't like to
hear it. I'd like to hear only item name.

Anyone has a solution for this situation?



Thank you.

Dung Nguyen.

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Re: Setting up outlook calendar

Dave...
 

Mike,

Did you see if my version 2007 hints worked?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 06:46
Subject: Setting up outlook calendar


Hi folks. Could someone tell me the best way to set up my Outlook 2010
calendar? I don't remember how to do it. Haven't used it in quite awhile.
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Setting up outlook calendar

Michael Mote
 

Hi folks. Could someone tell me the best way to set up my Outlook 2010 calendar? I don't remember how to do it. Haven't used it in quite awhile.
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Java page to confirm it is up to date

Adrian Spratt
 

I find that JAWS's performance is affected by Java. While in add/remove
programs, I happened to check if Java was up to date on my system. It is,
but in the process of confirming, I discovered I had an old version that the
Java website said might be impeding my PC's performance and compromising
security. The only Java application that should show up in add/remove
programs on XP is version 7. I also had version 6. The website specifically
recommends deleting Java Run time environment, which I'd done some time ago.
Now that I've removed Java 6, I've noticed an improvement in my PC's
performance.

The following link takes you to the Java page that enables you to determine
both if your system is up to date, for whichever operating system you have,
and if your computer has any old versions. Once on that page, press h once
to locate the section you need.

<http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp>
http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...>
 

I hav heard that too Lauren. I think that you will learn win7 easily
as there are a few differences but it has alot of the XP feel. I am
just worried that in time XP won't be supported anymore but I agree
with Gary in many ways. I would like to try windows 8 but I think its
a very controversial issue. Some say windows 8 is great and we all
should upgrade to it and despite the problems its manageable etc and
others say their are big disadvantages about win8 and all the cons so
I think its all about what you feel most comfortable to do. For you
who still is onXP, I'd suggest moving to win7 but If you someone who
likes to experiment, doesn't mind bugs and faults and you like workin
around issues to make things work then you may want to go for windows
8 but I would give it a few months. Yes after one or 2 updates then it
may be more stable and better but you shouldn't feel as though you
have too upgrade directly to win8. Unfortunately our blind software
and devices are very expensive and that's unfortunate. Its unfair in
many ways but the advantage is that once you have bought Jaws then you
just have to pay an upgrade fee to the next update which is not as
expensive. You can decide to just buy Jaws without an SMA and each
version upgrade to it or you can purchase an SMA too so you have
various options. I think it all seems intimidating but I think you
will adapt to win7 quite quickly and at least you can use that for a
year or 2 and if you decide to buy windows 8 and put it on another
machine then if you have a copy of win 7 then you can downgrade back
to win7 if you don't like win8 or it causes you certain problems. I
hope this has helped.

On 12/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Loren,

That sounds right to me.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 18:17
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer
with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably
be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new
layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will
work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave...
 

Loren,

That sounds right to me.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 18:17
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Gary King
 

Since you have Windows XP, you'll still have a learning curve for Windows 7, but not as much of one as you would have going to Windows 8. If you have JAWS 12 or 13, Windows 7 will work fine with those versions of JAWS. If you don't keep up with a Software Maintenance Agreement, then upgrading to future JAWS versions will be more costly, especially if you get more than one version behind.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot of money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer with a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one. If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably be better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new layout to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn? And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@aol.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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