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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...>
 

I hav heard that too Lauren. I think that you will learn win7 easily
as there are a few differences but it has alot of the XP feel. I am
just worried that in time XP won't be supported anymore but I agree
with Gary in many ways. I would like to try windows 8 but I think its
a very controversial issue. Some say windows 8 is great and we all
should upgrade to it and despite the problems its manageable etc and
others say their are big disadvantages about win8 and all the cons so
I think its all about what you feel most comfortable to do. For you
who still is onXP, I'd suggest moving to win7 but If you someone who
likes to experiment, doesn't mind bugs and faults and you like workin
around issues to make things work then you may want to go for windows
8 but I would give it a few months. Yes after one or 2 updates then it
may be more stable and better but you shouldn't feel as though you
have too upgrade directly to win8. Unfortunately our blind software
and devices are very expensive and that's unfortunate. Its unfair in
many ways but the advantage is that once you have bought Jaws then you
just have to pay an upgrade fee to the next update which is not as
expensive. You can decide to just buy Jaws without an SMA and each
version upgrade to it or you can purchase an SMA too so you have
various options. I think it all seems intimidating but I think you
will adapt to win7 quite quickly and at least you can use that for a
year or 2 and if you decide to buy windows 8 and put it on another
machine then if you have a copy of win 7 then you can downgrade back
to win7 if you don't like win8 or it causes you certain problems. I
hope this has helped.

On 12/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Loren,

That sounds right to me.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 18:17
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer
with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably
be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new
layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will
work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave...
 

Loren,

That sounds right to me.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 18:17
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more
stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is
not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot of
money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer with
a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one.
If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably be
better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new layout
to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft
as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is
that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a
touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and
Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Gary King
 

Since you have Windows XP, you'll still have a learning curve for Windows 7, but not as much of one as you would have going to Windows 8. If you have JAWS 12 or 13, Windows 7 will work fine with those versions of JAWS. If you don't keep up with a Software Maintenance Agreement, then upgrading to future JAWS versions will be more costly, especially if you get more than one version behind.

Gary King
w4wkz@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot of money?

Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer with a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one. If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably be better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new layout to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn? And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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JAWS Scripts for GoogleTalk

Hamid Hamraz
 

Hi All,

Is there any jaws script for recent versions of the GoogleTalk application?

Thanks,

Hamid
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Lauren
 

I currently have Windows XP and have heard that windows 7 is a lot more stable and Jaws 12 or 13 works well with it and I heard that windows 8 is not so stable & only Jaws 14 will work with it and that upgrade is a lot of money?

Sincerely,

Lauren

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 15:05
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer with a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one. If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably be better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new layout to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn? And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Words with apostrophes

Cal <yesitscal@...>
 

Hi. Lately when I've been reading things online I've run into situations where words with apostrophes don't read correctly, and when I check the word I notice that there's a "&apos;" where the apostrophe is supposed to be. It doesn't always happen, thankfully, but is there any way I can change something to get all words with apostrophes to read correctly? Thank you.
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Adobe XI Settings Changes, Adobe Works Again!

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi All,

I have had a problem reading PDF files with Jaws ever since I updated to
Adobe XI. Well, I went into preferences & made the changes below & finally,
Adobe is working again! Hot damn!

For those who have had the same problem you can give these setting changes a
try to see if they help.

On the Security Enhanced tab, I unchecked the options below.

Enable Protected Mode at startup, I unchecked this box.

Enable Enhanced Security, I unchecked this box.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@...>
 

You can "almost" forgive an Apple genius for being incompetent when it comes to VO, but, in my opinion, it's unforgivable for tech support at Freedom Scientific to be incompetent when it comes to Jaws, and, I've run into a lot of them. As mentioned in a previous post, the stock answer to any issue with Jaws is, if you are running Windows XP, you should update to Windows 7, if you are running Windows 7, you should upgrade to Windows 8, if you are running Windows 8, things will be better when MS comes out with the first update to Windows 8, etc. etc. ad nauseam.

Don't get me wrong, there are a few tech support guys at FS that have been there a long time that really know their stuff, but, many, many more of the type described above.

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-12-01, at 8:31 AM, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:

Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn? And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Gary King
 

Windows 8 is not a touch screen environment unless you buy a computer with a touch screen; it's just set up to use a touch screen if you have one. If you are familiar with Windows 7 and happy with it, it would probably be better for you to stick with it since Windows 8 has an entirely new layout to learn. I would suspect that Windows 7 will be supported by Microsoft as long as your new computer will last.

Gary King
w4wkz@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn? And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: JAWS losing focus?

emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...>
 

My apologies, that blank was a mistake. Woops

On 12/1/12, emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...> wrote:
On 12/1/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Just what I thought.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Grossoehme" <davegross1@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 09:39
Subject: RE: JAWS losing focus?


Good Day George: If you have the option for Jaws turned on you can hear
Jaws say no focus. After you hear that spoken Jaws goes quiet. I've had
many different sighted people standing at my side when this happens and
they
see no difference in the screen. We even have a scripter that works with
Jaws on a daily basis of which his name is Larry Gasmann. I've work with
this problem in different ways in order to get rid of it. Sometimes the
refresh keys ofJaws will work, or using the esc key sometimes, but
neither
of these options work with Jaws 14 in Windows7 and Outlook 10.
Your Friend Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Aidan Maher
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Is this focus thing jaws fault, or the actual programs you are using
fault?
Just wunder about that? How do we make sure of that? Quite tricky.

On 30/11/2012, George Marshall <marshall.geoma4@...> wrote:
I have this los of focus each time I enter Outlook 2003.

George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Karoline
Bourdeau
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:20 PM
To: jfw@...
Subject: JAWS losing focus?



I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the
web, JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to
where I was.


Anyone else?

Thanks.

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Re: JAWS losing focus?

emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...>
 

On 12/1/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Just what I thought.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Grossoehme" <davegross1@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 09:39
Subject: RE: JAWS losing focus?


Good Day George: If you have the option for Jaws turned on you can hear
Jaws say no focus. After you hear that spoken Jaws goes quiet. I've had
many different sighted people standing at my side when this happens and
they
see no difference in the screen. We even have a scripter that works with
Jaws on a daily basis of which his name is Larry Gasmann. I've work with
this problem in different ways in order to get rid of it. Sometimes the
refresh keys ofJaws will work, or using the esc key sometimes, but neither
of these options work with Jaws 14 in Windows7 and Outlook 10.
Your Friend Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Aidan Maher
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Is this focus thing jaws fault, or the actual programs you are using fault?
Just wunder about that? How do we make sure of that? Quite tricky.

On 30/11/2012, George Marshall <marshall.geoma4@...> wrote:
I have this los of focus each time I enter Outlook 2003.

George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Karoline
Bourdeau
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:20 PM
To: jfw@...
Subject: JAWS losing focus?



I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the
web, JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to
where I was.


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Thanks.

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Re: JAWS losing focus?

Dave...
 

Just what I thought.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Grossoehme" <davegross1@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 09:39
Subject: RE: JAWS losing focus?


Good Day George: If you have the option for Jaws turned on you can hear
Jaws say no focus. After you hear that spoken Jaws goes quiet. I've had
many different sighted people standing at my side when this happens and they
see no difference in the screen. We even have a scripter that works with
Jaws on a daily basis of which his name is Larry Gasmann. I've work with
this problem in different ways in order to get rid of it. Sometimes the
refresh keys ofJaws will work, or using the esc key sometimes, but neither
of these options work with Jaws 14 in Windows7 and Outlook 10.
Your Friend Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Aidan Maher
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Is this focus thing jaws fault, or the actual programs you are using fault?
Just wunder about that? How do we make sure of that? Quite tricky.

On 30/11/2012, George Marshall <marshall.geoma4@...> wrote:
I have this los of focus each time I enter Outlook 2003.

George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Karoline
Bourdeau
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:20 PM
To: jfw@...
Subject: JAWS losing focus?



I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the
web, JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to
where I was.


Anyone else?

Thanks.

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Re: JAWS losing focus?

dave grossoehme
 

Good Day George: If you have the option for Jaws turned on you can hear
Jaws say no focus. After you hear that spoken Jaws goes quiet. I've had
many different sighted people standing at my side when this happens and they
see no difference in the screen. We even have a scripter that works with
Jaws on a daily basis of which his name is Larry Gasmann. I've work with
this problem in different ways in order to get rid of it. Sometimes the
refresh keys ofJaws will work, or using the esc key sometimes, but neither
of these options work with Jaws 14 in Windows7 and Outlook 10.
Your Friend Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Aidan Maher
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Is this focus thing jaws fault, or the actual programs you are using fault?
Just wunder about that? How do we make sure of that? Quite tricky.

On 30/11/2012, George Marshall <marshall.geoma4@...> wrote:
I have this los of focus each time I enter Outlook 2003.

George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Karoline
Bourdeau
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:20 PM
To: jfw@...
Subject: JAWS losing focus?



I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the
web, JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to
where I was.


Anyone else?

Thanks.

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Re: Configuring the calendar in Outlook 2007/2010.

Dave...
 

Mike,

Using 2007, but these selections should be similar in 2010:

All these are on the View Menu:

Current View
Day/Week/Month checked

Navigation Pane
On checked

ToDo Bar
Off checked

Reading Pane
Off checked

Daily Task List
Off checked
Day Ctrl+Alt+1 checked

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Mote" <miketmote73@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 07:41
Subject: Configuring the calendar in Outlook 2007/2010.


Hi folks. I need some general help on configuring my calendar in Outlook
2010. Wondering if the same steps apply to 2007 versions also. Thanks!
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...>
 

If you don't have Jaws then it may be a bit pricy but once you have a
licence then you only have to pay an upgrade fee to the next version
unless you skip a few versions and then you have to pay a lot. I
didn't have problems with Jaws 13. Some people had but it all depends
again on what you want to do. A mac is great but the fact is that you
have to use it regularly and its true that you don't have to pay for
extra software but unless you know what apps you can use, you may use
windows based programs more and then win7 and Jaws is better. I am not
sure if you can still get a new licence for the older versions of
Jaws, I know freedom still has them on their website but maybe buy
Jaws 13 and a SMA and then upgrade to Jaws 14 when you ready. I have
downloaded Jaws 14 but I haven't used it yet. I am waiting for some of
the bugs to be fixed because I hear their are too many issues and
things that have to be sorted out. All of the best on your decisions.

On 12/1/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Go for Windows 7 and JAWS 11, 12, 13, or 14, depending on what you already
have.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 08:10
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is that
very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a touch
screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and Jaws 12
or
13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over training
at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

George,
I just thought I would chime in and give my two cents lol.
Remember this mailing list isn't that strict, we can go off topic for days!
Lol.

Hope yu are doing well buddy.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of George B
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:38 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

and like i said why don't you both take this to a apple list...lol

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 07:31
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover.
I've already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them
help me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own
and the so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like
so many of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good
help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use
voice over and provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is
comprised of totally blind individuals and have experience working
with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if
they are friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over
the other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gary
King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works
with various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person,
how long would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store
environment to get a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago,
I recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet,
playing a few tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you
wanted to do serious office work, your productivity would be much
better on a Windows-based PC with JAWS or another commercial screen
reader. Microsoft has never made much effort to write their Office
software to be accessible on the Mac platform, so a Mac user would
need to find workable substitutes for Word Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have
been done on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of
those podcasts that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the
user groups, so a little Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a
couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows
8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or
switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave...
 

Go for Windows 7 and JAWS 11, 12, 13, or 14, depending on what you already
have.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 08:10
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is that
very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a touch
screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and Jaws 12 or
13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work
for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn? And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over training
at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Lauren
 

If I buy a new PC with Windows 8 and I need to upgrade to Jaws 14, is that very expensive and how accessible is Windows 8 given that it's a touch screen environment I believe? Am I safer to go with Windows 7 and Jaws 12 or 13?

I need to get a laptop soon and am trying to buy something that will work for me without having to take out a mortgage.

Thanks,


Sincerely,

Lauren

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn? And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Michael Mote
 

Hi folks. I need some general help on configuring my calendar in Outlook 2010. Wondering if the same steps apply to 2007 versions also. Thanks!
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

George B
 

and like i said why don't you both take this to a apple list...lol

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 07:31
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Kimsan,

I'm sure that a majority of Apple" genius-helpers are incompetent when
knowing how to help a blind person navigate a MAC using voiceover. I've
already run into more than one, just with the iPod and iPhone setups.
However I've also managed to educate more than one by helping them help
me.
Once we get voiceover turned on, I insist on their sitting with me for
some
keystrokes to get me going, and then I just play around on my own and
the
so-called "genius" also learns.

I know we aren't supposed to train them, but how else will they learn?
And
yes, their attention span resembles that of a gnat on caffeine, like so
many
of the usual customers.

I try to always take more than what they have to offer.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 00:32
Subject: RE: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had
terrible
experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help.
However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the
statement
about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over
and
provide demonstration.
For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over
training at
BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of
totally
blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise.
So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and
most
helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are
friendly but can you "help?"
I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my
IPhone
to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel.
I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the
other, btw.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to
use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how
long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to
get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both
platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a
few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do
serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based
PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never
made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for
Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac
user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been
done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those
podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a
little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch
to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software
like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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