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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Or, you can visit http://www.blindaccesstraining.com/ and fill out the
contact us form and a trainer will be in contact with you and would be happy
to answer any questions you have concerning the mac.-----Original
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: JAWS losing focus?

Dave...
 

Mike,

Yes, and I can remove the Google Toolbar and other toolbars very easily
using Add/Remove programs in the control panel or in the Programs and
Features dialog.

What I'm referring to is the area in IE where you find the address,
favorites bar, the search field and search preference, and the tab for the
current page. How do I get rid of all that cr**p so I don't get stuck in
there?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike B." <mb69mach1@charter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 06:51
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?


Hi Ted & Dave,

The Google toolbar can be removed through the control panel. Also, the revo
uninstaller will remove any leftover remnants of a program / toolbar, such
as crap that a program will leave in the registry or in folders like the
application folder in your name or owner folder on the root of the C drive.
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 5:35 AM
Subject: RE: JAWS losing focus?


You never can tell. I don't use them for anything save the occasional query,
and didn't even know the fool thing was there, until I check the list of
potential programs.


Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Ted,

Worth a try, but I suspect that revo uninstall just removes tool bars, and
not the entire address bar - favorites bar - search bar area.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:13
Subject: RE: JAWS losing focus?


Try one of the after-market uninstall programs like Revo Uninstall, an app
mentioned by several of us on this list. I somehow picked up a Google bar
(sounds like something with chocolate and nuts, doesn't it?), and that
program nixed it.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Abby Vincent
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:25 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS losing focus?

Is the address/search tar baby part of IE or Google? I have the same
problem of getting stuck. I did manage to remove it, but when I went to the
IE page again, it came back up. The JAWS cursor and ctrl-f6 methods do
work, but I'd really like to get rid of it completely. As far as I know, it
does nothing that can't be done in a less annoying way.
Abby

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Yes, Happens to me a lot, even if the page is completely loaded. Alt+tab a
couple times, and even sometimes need to minimize IE and maximize again to
get it focused.

And I always have to press Ctrl+F6 to get out of the upper
address/favorites/search section. Very easy to get stuck in that tar-baby of
IE.

And yes, it's frustrating. In some particularly severe cases I even need to
use my JAWS cursor to find some text on the web page and press left click to
"wake up" the page into focus.

JAWS 13 and 14 both do this.

Using IE8. Windows 7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karoline Bourdeau" <karoline.bourdeau@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 15:20
Subject: JAWS losing focus?




I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the web,
JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to where I was.


Anyone else?

Thanks.

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Re: JAWS losing focus?

Dave...
 

Aidan,

Since the whole concept of "focus" is related to JAWS being focused in a
particular application, I think it's safe to say that it's related to JAWS
and not the application. After all, a person with sight can see the
application, unless they are not wearing their glasses.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aidan Maher" <aidan.smarttalk@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 10:45
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?


Is this focus thing jaws fault, or the actual programs you are using
fault? Just wunder about that? How do we make sure of that? Quite
tricky.

On 30/11/2012, George Marshall <marshall.geoma4@gmail.com> wrote:
I have this los of focus each time I enter Outlook 2003.

George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Karoline
Bourdeau
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:20 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: JAWS losing focus?



I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the web,
JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to where I
was.


Anyone else?

Thanks.

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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Dave...
 

Gary,

True, but setting an appointment and specifically asking for that service
would help. And then being insistent and persistent with the staff. Only way
we can get their attention.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 09:40
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a little
Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Tom Lange
 

Hi,
Both JAWS 12 and 13 will work fine with Windows 7. Only JAWS 14 will work with Windows 8, or at least that's my understanding.

I really like the idea of going with a Mac at some point in the future, but there would be a considerable learning curve involved. The good news is that if a new Mac has a touchpad and you're already used to using an IOS device, navigating using the touchpad will be similar to what you'd do on an iPhone or iPad. I like that idea a lot, as I'm an avid iPhone user.

Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Automatically restricting the Jaws cursor

Ralph Supernaw
 

Is there a setting that will have it automatically set to "real" without me
pressing insert+r each time?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan Maher
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Automatically restricting the Jaws cursor

Yes, just press insert plus r once you in that window.

On 30/11/2012, rhs@q.com <rhs@q.com> wrote:
Hi,

I have an application I want to restrict the Jaws cursor to "Real".
Is there a way to have JFW automatically restrict the Jaws cursor
whenever I am using that particular application?

I am running Windows 7 and JFW 14.

Thanks


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Re: JAWS losing focus?

Adrian Spratt
 

Not tricky at all. If such a problem occurs with JAWS and not otherwise,
probabilities are high that it's JAWS.

A more difficult question is why JAWS acts this way on some systems but not
on others. I do not experience JAWS losing focus as I switch in and out of
Outlook 2003, but many people do. The answers must lie with the video
drivers or other computer-specific hardware or programming. I wish FS were
willing to publish a list of computer parts that work or don't work with
JAWS based on in-house tests and user reports.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan Maher
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Is this focus thing jaws fault, or the actual programs you are using fault?
Just wunder about that? How do we make sure of that? Quite tricky.

On 30/11/2012, George Marshall <marshall.geoma4@gmail.com> wrote:
I have this los of focus each time I enter Outlook 2003.

George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Karoline
Bourdeau
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:20 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: JAWS losing focus?



I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the
web, JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to
where I was.


Anyone else?

Thanks.

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Re: Automatically restricting the Jaws cursor

Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Yes, just press insert plus r once you in that window.

On 30/11/2012, rhs@q.com <rhs@q.com> wrote:
Hi,

I have an application I want to restrict the Jaws cursor to "Real". Is
there a way to have JFW automatically restrict the Jaws cursor whenever I
am
using that particular application?

I am running Windows 7 and JFW 14.

Thanks


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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Lauren
 

Thanks so much.

Sincerely,

Lauren

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:40
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to get a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do serious office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac user groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been done on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a little Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Automatically restricting the Jaws cursor

Ralph Supernaw
 

Hi,

I have an application I want to restrict the Jaws cursor to "Real". Is
there a way to have JFW automatically restrict the Jaws cursor whenever I am
using that particular application?

I am running Windows 7 and JFW 14.

Thanks


Flexible web and html code

Brian and Denise Albriton <autoharp@...>
 

There is a page I go to which has quite a few like and comment buttons. How might I easily find the element I want to hide when configuring flexible web. Nothing in the elements listed in the flexible web dialog has the words comment or like and what is there is obscure to be at this point. Just need a little web education I would say. I love flexible web and the potential it has.
Brian


Re: JAWS losing focus?

Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Is this focus thing jaws fault, or the actual programs you are using
fault? Just wunder about that? How do we make sure of that? Quite
tricky.

On 30/11/2012, George Marshall <marshall.geoma4@gmail.com> wrote:
I have this los of focus each time I enter Outlook 2003.

George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Karoline
Bourdeau
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:20 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: JAWS losing focus?



I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the web,
JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to where I
was.


Anyone else?

Thanks.

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Re: JAWS losing focus?

George Marshall
 

I have this los of focus each time I enter Outlook 2003.

George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
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Bourdeau
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:20 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: JAWS losing focus?



I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the web,
JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to where I was.


Anyone else?

Thanks.

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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...>
 

People also can go to the white stick website. Tom Lawromer has a lot
of listserves that he gives that you can join. Alot of the mac and IOS
lists can be gotten there. www.whitestick.co.uk

On 11/30/12, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use
the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with
various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long
would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to get

a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I
recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms
that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few
tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do serious

office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC
with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made
much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac
platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word
Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac user

groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been done

on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts
that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a little

Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple
Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8
with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to
an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Gary King
 

Dave,
I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to get a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?

In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do serious office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word Excel, etc.

Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac user groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been done on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a little Google searching may be needed.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: JAWS losing focus?

dave grossoehme
 

Good Morning: I'm not surprised about Freedom Scientific's response on this
problem. Loosing focus goes back several versions in different
applications. The earliest version of Jaws was back in version 6 that this
problem started showing up for me. Sometimes you can alt+tab a time or more
to get rid of the problem. At times you are forced to shut Jaws down and
restart it. In version 13/14 I'm noticed it the worst, where you are forced
to shutdown and restart the computer to regain sound when reading messages
in Outlook 10 with Windows 7 on an Hp computer. Considering I have had this
problem on many different applications on my work computer I didn't even
think about reporting the problem.
Your Friend Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Abby Vincent
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:00 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS losing focus?

This happens to me often. I lose focus especially just after I've entered
something, such as in an edit box. I haven't tried lately, but earlier this
year, FS tech support said it's a windows problem. I did have a sighted
person try the same action without using JAWS. No loss of focus. I hope
someone on the list will have a fix, but I'm pretty sure it's an issue that
JAWS needs to address.
Abby

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus?

Yes, Happens to me a lot, even if the page is completely loaded. Alt+tab a
couple times, and even sometimes need to minimize IE and maximize again to
get it focused.

And I always have to press Ctrl+F6 to get out of the upper
address/favorites/search section. Very easy to get stuck in that tar-baby of
IE.

And yes, it's frustrating. In some particularly severe cases I even need to
use my JAWS cursor to find some text on the web page and press left click to
"wake up" the page into focus.

JAWS 13 and 14 both do this.

Using IE8. Windows 7.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 15:20
Subject: JAWS losing focus?




I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the web,
JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to where I was.


Anyone else?

Thanks.

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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?

Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
 

Wel, defnitly windows8 would only work with 14 or above, and if you
manage to get it work on an earlyer version, expect serious problems.

On 30/11/2012, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Lauren,

As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an
appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs
and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53
Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?


Hi,

Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with
Jaws 14?

I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to an

Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like
Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.

Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Lauren
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Re: user friendly email account

Claudia
 

This happened when I tried to export registry settings.

On 11/29/2012 7:46 AM, Farfar Carlson wrote:
Claudia,

I've never seen that problem you describe. I wonder if it's because you
don't have Administrator privileges?

Does the error happen when you try to run regedit.exe from the run dialog,
or when you try to export the registry settings?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 03:43
Subject: Re: user friendly email account


Followed all steps herr, until the registrey editor. I attempted to
back that up, as indicated below, and Jaws kept saying Registry Editor
Error and then, prompted me to cancel.
So, I aborted the Windows Mail tweak plan and reset the folders options
to what they previusly were, before attempting this.
Maybe, I will try this on my Dell because I don't have as much to lose
on that machine, but I would like to have the Windows Mail
functionality, to see if this is better than what I'm currently using,
Thunderbird and Windows Live.

I have Windows 7 64 byt Home, on that machine.

Claudia

On 11/27/2012 6:08 AM, John Sherrer wrote:
I also use this email on Windows 7 64 bit.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:28 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: user friendly email account

Dee,

It is possible to adjust Windows 7 so that you can run Windows Mail, which
is very close to Outlook Express in how it works. I've used this process
on
my Windows 7 32-bit machine, so I know it does work.

Read through this and if it sounds like something you'd like to try, write
me off-list and I'll send you the files you need.



----- beginning of instructions ------
Ryan's Windows Mail Tweak

I am a big fan of the Microsoft windows7 operating system, but I
feel

one of its weaknesses is its email client Windows Live mail. Many others
who

have used Windows Live Mail (WLM) have also conveyed problems with
instability resulting in spontaneous email client crashes, interface
difficulties, and overall poor performance. Though Microsoft has released
a
WLM 2011 upgrade, users have conveyed similar issues still remain.

Windows Mail was the native email client on the Windows Vista
operating system and the predecessor to Windows Live mail. After
installing
Windows Mail on my Windows7 operating system I have found it exhibits
incredible stability in day to day performance. As a screen reader user I
have found Windows Mail very easy to use as the interface is almost
identical to my much adored Outlook Express. In short, Windows Mail simply
works!

Below you will find my step-by-step tutorial for configuring your
Windows7 computer to begin using Windows Mail. To complete this task you
will have to make changes to the Windows7 registry, but if you carefully
follow the instructions below you should not have any problems. To further
insure the integrity and stability of the Windows7 operating system, it is
also of the highest importance you do not take any shortcuts in this
tutorial. If you feel you're a computer whiz and following instructions
does

not apply to you, please seriously consider skipping this tutorial
altogether and maybe seek out a different solution.

To make completion of this tutorial a bit easier, I suggest you
consider using an audio recorder such as the Victor Reader Stream to
record
the tutorial line by line. When executing each of the steps below, in the
event you may need to review information, you can quickly rewind the audio
rather than repeatedly switching back and forth between windows.
Performing
this step is of course entirely up to you, but for a procedure like this I
would not want to take any chances I may forget a step.

Important! Very! Important!
I have gone out of my way to assure accuracy of this information
but
computers are finiky and anything can happen. By taking even the slightest
action based on any of the information presented below, you are taking
matters into your own hands and cannot hold me responsible for your errors
or random mishaps resulting from this procedure. Only attempt this
procedure

if you are confident you can successfully complete the entire process. I
will also inform you that you will need to use an Administrator account to
complete this tutorial. Furthermore, you will want to read through this
tutorial in its entirety to compare your technical skills with the demands
of this procedure. This is not a very demanding task but it does require a
bit of technical familiarity with the Windows operating system.

This tutorial consists of two parts. The first part is the actual
procedure of configuring the Windows7 operating system to enable the use
of
Windows Mail. The second part of this tutorial consists of a collection of
mini-tutorials for configuring Windows Mail accounts and configuring
maximum

accessibility. This procedure can be completed on Windows7 32-bit and
64-bit

operating systems. I have primarily performed this procedure on Windos7
Home

Premium operating systems, and others have reported success on the
professional and related versions of windows7.

It is very important you determine the version of Windows7 you are
using; especially when it comes to completing step #16 below. To do so,
press the Windows key + the pause/break key. The Pause/Break key is the
third key in the three-pack of keys at the very top right hand corner of a
standard 104-key keyboard. Use your screen reader's mouse cursor key such
as

the JAWS cursor to read this entire screen from top to bottom. About 15
lines from the top of the screen you will find the text verifying the
version of Windows you are using (E.G.: System type: 64-bit Operating
System). Press Alt + F4 to close the System properties window.

Note: To quickly review the various sections of this tutorial simply use
your word processor's find feature to search for the following characters:
`1 or `2. The grave accent key is the key right under the escape key on a
standard keyboard. Search for `1 to find major sections of this tutorial
and

search for `2 to locate the individual tutorials.

`1Part 1: Windows Mail on Windows7

`2To tweak Windows7 to use Windows Mail:
1. Create an image of your hard drive in the event something goes horribly
wrong--though nothing should go wrong. If you do not have a means of
creating an image of your hard drive then use System Restore to create a
Restore Point so you can return to a good working version of your Windows7
OS. Do the following to create a restore point:
A. Press the Windows key to go to the Start menu search box and type the
following and press the enter key: Create a restore point.
B. Tab about 5 times or until you get to the following item and press the
enter key: Create....
C. Type a descriptive name such as "BeforeWindowsMailTweak" and press the
enter key. Wait a few seconds for the process to complete.
D. Follow any remaining dialogues and when finished press Alt + F4 to
close
the System Protection utility.

2. If you are currently using Windows Live Mail or a similar email client
make sure you backup all of your email-related files and folders. To
determine where these folders are located do the following:
A. In Windows Live Mail press Alt + letter T for Tools then up arrow and
press enter on Options.
B. Press Control + Shift + the Tab key once to get to the "Advanced tab."
Tab to Maintenance... and press enter.
C. In the Maintenance dialog box tab to the following option and press
enter: Store Folder....
D. Tab to the following edit field: Your personal message store is located
in the following folder. You can press the home key then press Shift + the
End key to select the entire path. Note: It is the NumPad end key you
should press and not the letter N.
E. You are finished with your email client so close any open dialogues.
F. Press the Windows key to go to the Start menu search box and paste the
path you just copied into this edit field then press enter.
G. When your email client's program files folder opens you can press the
backspace key to highlight this specific folder.
H. Press Control + letter C to copy this folder and paste it in a safe
storage location such as an external hard drive. It may take a few minutes
to copy this folder since it will probably contain your entire collection
of

email messages.
Note: You can also choose to export your WLM email message stores. While
Windows Live Mail is open, press Alt + letter F to go to the file menu
then
down arrow and press enter on Export. An export wizard will launch. Use
your

screen reader's mouse cursor keys such as the JAWS cursor key to read all
screens.

3. In order to complete this tutorial you must have access to all windows
system and hidden files. To insure this you will have to make some changes
within Windows's Folder Options.
A. Press the Windows key to go to the Start menu search box and type the
following and press enter: Folder options.
B. Press Control + the Tab key once.
C. Tab once then press the Home key to highlight the first item which
happens to be Files and Folders. Down arrow through this list and press
the
spacebar to make sure the following items are modified in the manner
specified here:
Show hidden files, folders, and drives -ON
Hide empty drives in the Computer folder-OFF
Hide extensions for known file types-OFF
Hide protected operating system files-OFF
D. After you have made these modifications tab to Apply and press enter.
Tab

to Ok and press enter.
Note: when you complete this entire tutorial make sure you repeat this
process and return these settings back to their previous state.

4. After all hidden operating system files and folders are set to show via
Folder options, you will now want to backup the original Windows Mail
folder

contained within C:\Program files. The following is the exact path of the
folder you should backup:
"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail"
Note: This is the Windows mail folder you will be modifying, which is why
it

is important it is backed up in its pristine form.
Note: For Windows7 64-bit users, make sure you do not accidentally open
the
c:\Program Files (X86) folder--you do not want to open this folder at all.

5. Making some modifications to the Windows7 registry is at the heart of
this tutorial so it is important we create a backup of the registry.
A. Press Windows key + letter R to launch the Run dialogue. Type the
following and press enter: regedit
B. When the Registry editor opens press the home key.
C. Press Alt + letter F to open the file menu. Down arrow to Export....
and
press enter.
D. Give this registry backup a name such as "Before WMTweak."
E. You can press the Tab key to navigate the remainder of this dialogue
box.

When you come to the relevant option, make sure you are exporting "all" of
the registry settings. Also be mindful of where the registry backup will
be
saved--it will most likely be the Documents folder. When you are confident
you have made the correct configurations tab to Save and press enter. Wait
a

few seconds for the process to complete.
E. Press Alt + F4 to close the Registry editor.

6. At this point you should insure all extraneous applications and open
windows are closed.

7. Press enter on the DropBox link below to download the following zipped
file: Ryan's Windows Mail Tweak.zip. This zipped archive has a collection
of

6 subfolders and a copy of this tutorial. Each of these subfolders
contains
a single registry file. These registry files are easily identifiable as
they

have the .REG extension.
Here is the download link for the zipped archive:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10556184/Ryan%27s%20Windows%20Mail%20Tweak.zip

8. The file you downloaded in the previous step is a zipped file so you
must

extract the files to access them. While the zipped file is highlighted,
press the Windows Context menu key or press Shift + F10 and down arrow and
press enter on the Extract all... option. You will be presented with a
prompt asking you where you want to unzip the files. Press enter to
extract
a copy of the zipped folder to your current location. You will want to
place

the extracted folder in a location where the folder will be easily
accessible such as your C:\ drive.
Note: What I am referring to as the Windows Context menu key is also known
as the Windows Applications key or Shift + F10. These various terms and
different keyboard commands accomplish the same goal; they simulate a
right
click.

9. Within the main folder of the zipped archive you extracted in the
previous step, look for the following folder: "Take Ownership
Installation."

Inside this folder will be a single file: Take Ownership.reg. This
registry
file will allow an administrator to quickly take ownership of files for
which access is normally denied by the Windows operating system. Press
enter

on this .reg file. You should get the following prompt:
"Registry editor dialogue
Adding information can unintentionally change or delete values and cause
components to stop working correctly. If you do not trust the source of
this

information at C:\[path of registry file] do not add it to the registry.
Are

you sure you want to continue?
Yes button. To activate press space bar or Alt + Y."

You can tab to Yes and press enter. You should get the following
confirmation message:

"Registry editor dialogue
The keys and values contained in C:\[path of registry file] have been
successfully added to the registry.
Ok button"

Press enter on the Ok button to close this message.

10. Take a moment to verify that the "Take Ownership" registry file has
been

installed properly and has been incorporated into your Windows context
menu.

Do this by going to Windows Explorer and pressing the Windows context menu
key or Shift + F10 on any file. Down arrow through the options and one of
these choices should be: Take Ownership. Press escape to close the Windows
context menu.

11. Once again open the Ryan's Windows Mail Tweak folder you downloaded
from

DropBox. Within this parent folder Arrow down to the following subfolder
and

press enter: WinMailEdit. Press enter on the single registry file:
WinMailEdit.reg. You will get the same registry editor dialogue message in
Step #9 above. Press enter on the Yes button. Press enter on the
associated
Ok button.

12. You must now remove some attributes of the winmail.exe file using the
Run dialogue. The "Attrib" command below is used to display, set, or
remove
one or more of the four attributes (read-only, archive, system, and
hidden)
that can be assigned to files and directories. This command is typically
used to remove read-only, hidden, and system attributes so a file can be
moved or deleted or to set them so that it can't. For our purposes the
command will prevent possible conflicts with Windows updates and will
prevent unnecessarily running the system file check command: "sfc
/scannow."

You will implement the disabling of attributes for the specific file of
interest in the next step below. For now, select the next single line of
text and copy it to your clipboard by using the Control + letter C
keyboard
command.

attrib -s -h "%ProgramFiles%\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe"

Launch the Run dialogue by pressing Windows key + letter R. If the Run
dialogue does not present itself go to the start menu search box and type
the following and press the enter key: run. Press Control + Letter V to
paste the line of text you just copied into this run dialogue. Use your
say
line command to confirm that you definitely copied and pasted the correct
line of text. Press the enter key to complete this procedure. Do not worry
if after 10 seconds or so you do not get a confirmation message whatsoever
or if your computer did not respond in any way. Simply press Alt + Tab if
necessary to switch tasks and go to the next step.

13. Follow this path to open the correct Windows Mail folder. Please pay
very close attention to every segment of this path.: C:\Program
files\Windows Mail. Here it is again in slow motion:
C:\
Program Files\
Windows Mail\
Note: Windows7 64-bit users, I remind you, make sure you completely ignore
the following folder: Program Files (X86). Do not open this folder at all.

14. Down arrow to the following file: msoe.dll.
Note: Screen readers do not always read files as one would like, so I will
take this single opportunity to rewrite the name of the file in all caps
to
insure you focus on and highlight the correct file. The correct file to be
modified is named: MSOE.dll. You can also press F2 on the file and read
the
name of the file character by character. Press the escape key to cancel
the
F2 rename command.

15. With the msoe.dll file selected, press your Windows context menu key
(Shift + F10) and down arrow to "Take Ownership" and hit the enter key.
You
will not receive a confirmation message at all but be assured the process
has definitely taken place. You have now taken ownership of MSOE.dll.

16. Follow instruction set A or B below for your specific 32-bit version
or
for 64-bit version of windows7 respectively.

(A) Instructions for Windows7 32-bit
If you are using Windows7 32-bit go to the Ryan's Windows Mail Tweak
folder
you downloaded and open the following subfolder: "Windows Mail 32 bit
version of msoe.dll." Press Control + letter C to copy the single file
named: msoe.dll. Press Alt + Tab to return focus to the c:\Program
files\Windows Mail folder and use Control + letter V to paste the file
inside this folder. You will be presented with a prompt informing you that
a

file with the same name already exists in this location. Tab once to the
"Copy and Replace button" and press enter. You will not be presented with
any other prompts so move on to the next step as you've already completed
the most difficult part of this tutorial.

(B) Instructions for Windows7 64-bit
If you are using Windows7 64-bit go to the Ryan's Windows Mail Tweak
folder
you downloaded and open the following subfolder: "Windows Mail 64 bit
version of msoe.dll." Press Control + letter C to copy the single file
named: msoe.dll. Press Alt + Tab to return focus to the c:\Program
files\Windows Mail folder and use Control + letter V to paste the file
inside this folder. You will be presented with a prompt informing you that
a

file with the same name already exists in this location. Tab once to the
"Copy and Replace button" and press enter. You will not be presented with
any other prompts so go on to the next step because you have already
completed the most difficult part of this tutorial.

17. Close the Windows Mail folder by pressing Alt + F4.

18. Go into the Ryan's Windows Mail Tweak parent folder and open the
following subfolder: "Set WinMailDefault." Press enter on the single
registry file: Set WinMailDefault.reg. You will get the same registry
editor

confirmation message described in step #9 above. The yes button should be
highlighted so press enter on it. Press enter on the accompanying Ok
button.

`1Configuring Windows Mail to Open All .EML Files

To be on the safe side, you will want to manually associate all email
files
containing the .EML file extension to open with Windows Mail. After
completing these steps below Windows Mail should behave just as if it were
the default email client installed with Windows7. In other words, when you
press enter on a file which has the .EML file extension, Windows mail will
open this file rather than your previous email client.

`2To associate .EML files with Windows Mail:
1. Press the Windows key to go to the Start menu search box and type the
following then press enter: default programs.
2. Tab four times or until you reach the following item and press the
enter
key: Set your default programs.
3. Tab twice or until you get to a list view of programs. Press the letter
W

repeatedly or down arrow through this entire list until you find Windows
Mail.
Note: Please be very careful you do not select Windows Live Mail.
4. Tab to the following item and press enter: Choose defaults for this
program.
5. Tab once or until you get to the Select all checkbox. Press spacebar on
this checkbox to enable it.
6. Tab to the Save button and press enter. Tab to Ok and press enter.
7. close any remaining open windows by pressing Alt + F4.

`1Placing Windows Mail on the Start menu

Jump Lists are used extensively in Windows7. A Jump List is like a small
recently opened files menu. If you press the Windows key and down arrow
through your start menu and find you have a Windows Live Mail submenu,
this
is an example of a Jump List. You will want to unpin the WLM Jump List
from
the Start menu since you will no longer have any use for it. You will be
replacing this with a Windows Mail Jump List which will give you quick
access to many of your recently saved email messages. Keep in mind it
won't
open all previously read email messages, it will only open email messages
you have saved to your hard drive.

`2To create a Windows Mail Jump List:
1. You will first need to unpin the Windows Live Mail Jump List from your
Start menu. To accomplish this simply press the Windows key and down arrow
until you find the Windows Live mail submenu.
2. Press your Windows context menu key and down arrow to the following
item
and press enter: Remove from this list.
3. After pressing the escape key a couple of times to close any unwanted
windows, press the Windows key and down arrow through the entire Start
menu
to verify the Windows Live Mail submenu entry is not present. If you do
not
find it then you have successfully removed it.
4. We will now add a similar Windows Mail submenu Jump List to the Start
menu. Find your way to the following folder:
C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\
Note: For Windows7 64-bit users, make sure you do not mistakenly open the
Program files (X86) folder.
4. In this Windows Mail folder locate the following file which will
probably

be the last file in this folder: WinMail.exe. Review the file name and
verify you have highlighted the correct file.
5. Press the Windows Context menu key (Or Shift + F10) and down arrow to
the

following item and press enter: Pin to Start menu.
6. Press the Windows key and down arrow until you locate the following
item:

Windows Mail submenu. If you find this item you have successfully
completed
this part of the tutorial.
7. Open this Windows Mail Jump List by using the right arrow key, and if
you

down arrow you will most likely find a list of recently saved email
messages. You can press enter on any of these messages to read them.
Note: at times JAWS does not read Start menu submenus properly, so you may
have to unload JAWS by pressing Insert + F4 then reload it again by
pressing

your JAWS hotkey.
8. To place this Windows Mail Jump List at the top of the Start menu use
your Screen reader's Drag and Drop command. Using JAWS you would highlight
the Windows Mail submenu entry, press Control + Insert + Numpad slash (/),
up arrow to a nice convenient location on the Start menu, and hit the JAWS
Drag and Drop command once again. You should be given a confirmation
message

that the process has completed successfully.
Note: if you open the Windows Mail Jump List and attempt to open a saved
email message which has recently been deleted, you will be presented with
the following message:

"Problem with Shortcut
The item X that this shortcut refers to has been changed or moved, so this
shortcut will no longer work properly.
Do you want to delete this shortcut?
Yes No."

I simply hit letter N for No and essentially ignore this message as I
already know I have deleted the message.

`1Creating a Windows Mail Shortcut on the Desktop

The final step in Part 1 of this tutorial is to create a shortcut and
attach

a hotkey for the purpose of quickly launching Windows Mail

`2To create a Windows Mail Desktop shortcut:
1. Go to the run dialogue and type the following path then press enter:
c:\program files\windows mail\
Note: you can simply copy and paste the path into the Run dialogue and
press

enter.
2. Find the following file (it will probably be at the bottom of this
folder): WinMail.exe.
3. Press the Windows Context menu key (or press Shift F10). Down arrow to
the following item and press enter: Send to submenu. Down arrow to the
following item and press enter: Desktop create shortcut.
4. Press Windows key + letter D to be taken to the Desktop. Press the
letter

W until you find the Windows Mail shortcut you just created. Press Alt +
the

enter key on this icon to open its Properties dialogue box. Tab twice or
until you reach the edit field where you can type your desired hotkey.
After

entering your desired hotkey tab once and down arrow to maximize. Tab to
Apply and press enter. Tab through this dialogue once again to insure your
settings are correct then press enter on Ok.
5. Test your hotkey.
6. You can rename the desktop shortcut by highlighting it and pressing F2.
When you are finished typing a new name for your shortcut press enter.
7. In order to prevent the accidental launch of your previous email
client,
be sure you review the shortcut properties of your previous email
application as well as its reference within the All Programs submenu and
remove any attached hotkey. Desktop icons and entries in the All Programs
menu are common locations used to configure hotkeys.

You have now completed the entire process of configuring Windows7 to begin
using Windows mail. Enjoy your new incredibly stable, accessible, and
responsive Email client!

`1Part 2: Creating Accounts - Accessibility - Gmail - Message Rules

Now that Windows Mail is properly installed on your computer the sections
below will walk you through making a few more modifications. You will
launch

Windows Mail for the first time and create your default email account. You
will make some accessibility related configurations. You will configure
Windows Mail to send and receive messages from your Google Gmail account.
Finally, you will create message rules to help you manage your email.

`2To configure the default email account:
1. Press Windows key + letter D to go to the Desktop.
2. Press the letter W until you find Windows Mail. Press enter on this
item.

Since this will be the first time running Windows Mail wait a few seconds
for the new account wizard to launch.
Note: using your screen reader's mouse cursor such as the JAWS cursor to
read from top to bottom each of the following screens will be very useful
in

determining the information requested of you.
3. When the new account wizard finally launches you will be presented with
the following prompt: Display name. This is an edit field where you can
type

in the name other people will see when you send them email messages. You
can

type in your name such as John Doe as it is not necessary to type in your
formal email address. After you have typed your name tab to Next and press
enter.
4. On the second screen of this wizard you will be placed on an edit field
where you must enter your full formal email address as given to you by
your
ISP (E.G.: RyanX@charter.com). When you finish entering your name tab to
Next and press enter.
5. On the third screen of this wizard you will be asked to set up your
email

servers. Press Shift + Tab once to be placed on the Incoming Email Server
Type combo box. This combo box will have two choices: POP3 or SMTP. Use
the
Up arrow or down arrow to make your selection. A POP3 account is primarily
used if you want all your email downloaded from your ISP's servers to your
computer in order to read and do as you wish. If you decide to use a POP3
account, once you download your email it will no longer exist on your
ISP's
servers. The second option is an IMap account which will also download
your
email to your computer, but it has the added advantage of keeping a copy
of
your email messages on your ISP's servers for viewing with a browser in
the
event you are away from home and would like to read your Gmail from a
friend's
house or from school. The following settings are used to create a POP3
email

account but IMap settings are very similar. When entering the information
below press the tab key to move from edit field to edit field. As you will
undoubtedly notice, the information entered in these edit fields is
specific

to Charter email. The information you will need to enter for your account
will of course vary.
Note: If you are not sure of the required information you must enter in
each

of these edit fields call your internet service provider's technical
support

line or search for the information on your ISP's Technical Support
webpage.

In the Incoming mail server edit field type the following: pop.charter.net

In the Outgoing Email Server Name edit field type the following:
smtp.charter.net

Outgoing server requires authentication (checkbox not checked).
Note: Leave this setting unchecked unless specifically instructed by your
email provider to do otherwise.

Tab through all these settings once again to confirm they are correct.
When
you are finished tab to Next and press enter.

6. On this fourth screen you will be asked to enter your internet mail log
on information., Your email user name (RyanX) will most likely be entered
automatically so do not change it. Press tab and enter your password.
Press
tab again and hit the spacebar to check the following checkbox: Remember
password. Tab to Next and press enter.
7. You have now come to the final screen in this new account wizard. This
screen is essentially a screen congratulating you on having successfully
entered all the information required to setup your default email account.
You will be placed on a checked checkbox asking you if you would like your
email downloaded after pressing enter on the Finish button. Leave this
checkbox alone. Tab to the Finish button and press enter. Tab to the Close
button and press enter.
8. Once the previous screen closes you will be placed in your Inbox. You
will find you have a single email message welcoming you to Windows Mail.
Press enter to read this message, and press escape to close it.
9. At this point you may find that your email is being downloaded, but if
you do not then try pressing F5 or Control + letter M. these hotkeys will
check for new email. After pressing this hotkey you may also be presented
with a message requesting your ISP user name. Enter your full email
address.

You will also be asked to enter your password so do so. Check the Remember
my credentials checkbox. Tab to Ok and press enter.
10. If all is well you should hear the progress of your email as it is
being

downloaded. If you are a JAWS user you can check the progress of the
download by pressing Insert + the NumPad page down key.
11. If you do not receive any email as might be the case with a new email
account, and if you want to test that your email account is configured
properly, try sending yourself an email message.
12. If the email message you sent yourself cannot be sent or does not
arrive

in your inbox within a minute or two it is time to do some
troubleshooting!

`1Troubleshooting Your New Email Account

If you are having problems either sending or receiving email you might
want
to try the following suggestions.

`2To troubleshoot problems sending and receiving email:
1. Press alt + letter t to go to the Tools menu. Press the letter A to go
to

the Internet Accounts dialogue box.
2. Press the Home key to go to the top of the list of accounts. Select the
account marked as "default."
3. Press Alt + letter P or tab to the Properties button and press enter.
4. You will be placed in the properties dialogue box for your default
account. There are five tabs beginning with General and ending with
Advanced. The following are the settings I used for each of these five
tabs.

These settings worked to correctly configure my charter email account, but
the configurations you will need for your account will undoubtedly vary.
Note: I placed the information requested of me between parentheses.
Replace
this information with your own.

General Tab Information:
Type the name by which you would like to refer to these servers. For
example: "Work" or "Windows Mail." (Optional but you can enter a unique
name

such as "Ryan" to make identifying your account easier)
User Information Name: (RyanX)
Organization: (Blank)
E-mail address: (RyanX@Charter.net)
Reply address: (Blank)
Include this account when receiving mail or synchronizing. (Check box
checked)
Note: when you finish making these changes tab to Apply and press enter.
Press Control + Tab to move to the next tab which is the Servers Tab.

Servers Tab Info:
My incoming mail server is a POP3 server.
Incoming mail POP3: pop.charter.net
Outgoing mail SMTP: smtp.charter.net
E-mail username: (It may already be entered for you. If not type your name
such as RyanX. If this doesn't work, after completing this entire process,
try typing your full email address such as RyanX@charter.net)
Password: (enter email account password for your ISP)
Remember password: (Checkbox checked)
Log on using Secure Password Authentication: (not checked)
My server requires authentication: (Not checked)
Note: when you finish making these changes tab to Apply and press enter.
Press Control + Tab to move to the next tab which is the Connection Tab.

Connection Tab info:
Note: I made 0 modifications to this tab.

Security Tab Info:
Note: I made 0 modifications to this tab.

Advanced Tab Info:
Server Port Numbers
Outgoing mail (SMTP): 25
This server requires a secure connection (SSL): (checkbox not checked)
Incoming mail (POP3): (On your computer it will most likely be 110)
This server requires a secure connection (SSL) (Checkbox not checked)
Server Timeouts slider: (Set by default to 11%--1 minute)
Break apart messages larger than 60 KB: (Checkbox not checked)
Leave a copy of messages on server: (Checkbox not checked)
Note: when you finish making these changes tab to Apply and press enter.
Tab

to Ok and press enter.

5. After closing the previous Properties dialogue box for your default
account you will be returned to the Internet Accounts Dialogue box. Simply
tab to the Close button and press enter.
6. Try sending yourself an email message to test your configurations.

If you are still unable to configure your email client for sending and
receiving email, you may have to call your ISP's Technical Support line.
You

might also want to run a Google search if you need some of these
configurations defined and or explained.

`1Adding an Additional Email Account

For those who need to create additional email accounts for family members
and alike, complete the following procedure.
Note: To fully understand this process of creating a new email account I
suggest you use your screen reader's mouse cursor keys when in the
Internet
Account dialogue box. Reading the entire screen using the JAWS cursor and
alike will lessen confusion and can help you successfully complete this
process.

`2To add email accounts in Windows Mail:
1. From your Inbox press Alt + letter T to go to the Tools menu.
2. Press letter A to go to the Internet Accounts dialogue box.
3. Tab to the Add... button and press enter.
4. On the first screen of this wizard you will be placed on the What type
of

account would you like to add combo box. Make sure Email Account is
selected. Tab to the "Next" button and press enter.
5. On the second screen of this wizard you will be placed on an edit
field.
Type your name as you would like others to see it when your email arrives
in

their Inbox. If there is text already in this edit field simply type over
it. Tab to Next and press enter.
6. On the Third screen you will be expected to enter your full email
address

such as RyanY@charter.net. Tab to Next and press enter.
7. On the fourth screen you will be required to setup email servers. Enter
the following information:
Incoming Email server type: POP3
Incoming mail POP3 or IMAP server: POP.Charter.net
Outgoing e-mail server SMTP name: SMTP.charter.net
Outgoing server requires authentication: (Leave checkbox unchecked)
Make sure you tab through these server settings once again to insure you
correctly entered all required information. Tab to Next and press enter.
8. On the fifth screen you will be expected to provide a valid user name
and

password. For example, RyanY as well as the password associated with this
account. Tab to the Remember Password checkbox and check it. Tab to Next
and

press enter.
9. On the sixth screen of this wizard you will be presented with a message
congratulating you for successfully configuring your new email account.
Tab
to the Finish button and press enter.
10. Tab to the Close button and press enter.
11. Press F5 or press Control + letter M to check for new email.
12. Test your settings by sending yourself an email message.

`1Windows Mail Accessibility Configurations

For those of you who have used Outlook Express in the past, the following
accessibility related modifications will be very familiar to you. You will
make changes to the Layout within the View menu, and you will make many
modifications within the Tools/Options multipage dialogue box.

`2To modify the Windows Mail Layout:
1. Press Alt + letter V to go to the View menu.
2. Press the letter L to go to Layout....
3. The first item will be the Folder bar. Make sure this is not checked.
If
it is checked press the spacebar to uncheck this item.
4. Press the tab key to move through the next few items on this screen.
The
last item will probably be Show Preview Pane. Press spacebar to uncheck
this

item.
5. Tab to Apply and press enter. Tab to Ok and press enter.

`2To complete View menu modifications:
1. Press Alt + letter V to open the View menu.
2. The first option is the Current View submenu. Press enter on this item.
The default setting is Show all messages. I choose to hide my read
messages,

so I down arrow once to the Hide read messages option and press enter. The
menu will close and you will be placed back in your inbox. I hide all of
my
read messages because when new messages arrive in my inbox they are at
times

mixed in with previously read messages. This makes it difficult for me to
quickly read through my email. If you do not need nor like this setting
simply repeat this process and select the Show all messages option.
3. Press the letter V to open the View menu once again. Down arrow to the
Sort by submenu and press enter. These settings will help you configure
how
your messages are displayed. Press down arrow to move through the
available
settings. Press enter to check or uncheck any of these settings--the menu
will then close. You will want to experiment with these items to find the
settings that best meet your needs. The setting I suggest you seriously
consider is Sort Ascending. This item will change the order of your
messages

to place the oldest messages at the top of the list and the newest
messages
at the bottom of the list. In day to day use this insures you read
messages
in the order they arrived in your inbox

`1General Windows Mail Configurations

The following configurations will help you customize how your messages are
sent, received, composed, etc.

`2To configure Windows Mail Options:
1. Press Alt + letter T for Tools then press letter O for Options.
2. You will be placed on the General Tab of this multi-page dialogue box.
You are free to configure the following Windows Mail settings as you wish,
but I have found the following specific settings provide me great ease of
use and great screen reader accessibility.
Note: press the spacebar to check and uncheck the settings below.

General tab settings:
Notify me if there are any new newsgroups. (I unchecked this)
Use newsgroup message rating features. (I unchecked this)
Play sound when new messages arrive. (I checked this)
Send and receive messages at startup. (I checked this)
Check for new messages every: (I checked this. I pressed the tab key once
and used up and down arrow to set to 10 minutes.
If my computer is not connected at this time combo box: (I set to do not
connect)
Note: If you use your screen reader's mouse cursor key such as the JAWS
cursor, and if you read the bottom of this general tab screen, you will
find

the following information which confirms Windows Mail to be your default
email client.
"Default Messaging Programs
This application is the default Mail handler. (Make default unavailable)."
You can now tab to Apply and press enter. Press Control + Tab to move to
the

Read tab.

Read tab settings:
Mark message read after displaying for: (Important: uncheck this item)
Automatically expand grouped messages. (Unchecked)
Automatically download message when viewing in the Preview Pane.
(unchecked)
You can now tab to Apply and press enter. Press Control + Tab to move to
the

Receipts tab.

Receipts tab settings:
Note: I did not modify any of these settings. Press Control + Tab to move
to

the Send tab.

Send tab settings:
Most of the default Send tab settings are set just fine and do not require
modification. The one change I suggest you seriously consider is the
sending

and receiving of email messages in plain text rather than in HTML. To do
so
do the following:
A. Press the tab key about six times or until you find the following
setting: Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent. Press
the spacebar to Uncheck this checkbox.
B. Press the Tab key twice or until you find the first radio button. Press
down arrow to select Plain text.
C. Press the tab key about three times or until you find the next radio
button. Press down arrow to select Plain text.
D. Tab to Apply and press the spacebar. Press Control + Tab to move to the
Compose tab.
Note: after these plain text modifications are made you will still have
the ability to activate a link by pressing enter on the link contained
within the email message.

Compose tab settings:
Note: I did not modify any of these settings. Press Control + Tab to move
to

the Signature tab.

Signature tab settings:
Note: I did not modify any of these settings. Press Control + Tab to move
to

the Spelling tab.

Spelling tab settings:
Always check spelling before sending. (Check this item)
The original text in a reply or forward. (Check this)
Internet Addresses. (Check this)
You can now tab to Apply and press enter. Press Control + Tab to move to
the

Security tab.

Security tab settings:
Note: I did not modify any of these settings. Press Control + Tab to move
to

the Connection tab.

Connection tab settings:
Note: I did not modify any of these settings. Press Control + Tab to move
to

the Advanced tab.

Advanced settings tab:
There is only one item of significance here: Maintenance.... Press the tab
key until you locate this item and press enter. This dialogue box can be
used to configure many different email related maintenance tools. Press
the
tab key to move through these items and decide which settings are
important
to you. The following are two important settings:
A. Empty messages from the 'Deleted Items' folder on exit. I often quickly
read through my messages and press the delete key to delete messages I
want
to temporarily save in the deleted items folder. For messages I want to
permanently delete, while the messages are highlighted, I simply press
Shift

+ Delete key and they are gone for good. This process affords me a bit of
insurance that I did not permanently delete a message that may prove to be
useful in the near future. Ultimately I either move messages in the
deleted
items folder to other folders for permanent storage, or I select all the
messages and permanently delete them by pressing Shift + Delete key as I
have described above. If you have chosen to modify this setting simply tab
to Close and press enter. Tab to Ok and press enter.
B. Store folder.... Pressing enter on this item will show you where your
email related folders are stored. Once this dialogue opens you need only
tab

twice or until you come to an edit field that contains the path to your
message stores. Note that in this dialogue box you can change the default
location where your messages are stored. This is beneficial if you want
your

messages to be stored on a different partition than the partition that
holds

your operating system. Press Ok or escape to close this dialogue box.
Press
close or escape on the Maintenance dialogue box. Press Ok or escape on the
Advanced tab dialogue box.

Congratulations! You have now completed making all of your Windows Mail
accessibility Configurations! You should now find Windows Mail incredibly
easy to use and almost completely indistinguishable from Outlook Express.

`1Configuring a Google Gmail Account

The following should help you configure Windows Mail to receive your
Google
Gmail.
Note: The following instructions are based on the assumption that you have
already configured a working Gmail account via the Google website.

`2To Launch the New Internet Account Wizard for configuring your Gmail
account:
1. Close all applications. Launch Windows mail by using the Desktop icon
or
your Windows mail hotkey.
2. While in the Inbox press Alt + letter T to open the Tools menu then
press

letter A to open the Internet Accounts dialogue box.
3. Tab to Add... and press enter. The Internet Connection wizard will
launch.
Note: using your screen reader's mouse cursor such as the JAWS cursor to
read each of the following screens in their entirety will help you
understand the information requested of you.
4. On the first screen of this wizard you will be asked: What type of
account would you like to add? Use your up and down arrow keys to select
Email (this will be the default option). Press the Tab key and press enter
on Next.
5. The second screen of this wizard will present the following prompt:
Display name. This is an edit field where you can type in the name other
people will see when you send them email messages. You can type in your
name

such as John Doe as it is not necessary to type in your complete email
address. After you have completed entering your name tab to Next and press
enter.
6. On the third screen you will be on an edit field where you must enter
your full Gmail address (E.G.: RyanF@gmail.com. When you have finished tab
to Next and press enter.
7. On the fourth screen you will be asked to set up your email servers.
Press Shift + Tab once to be placed on the Incoming Email Server Type
combo
box. This combo box will have two choices: POP3 or SMTP. Use the Up arrow
or

down arrow to make your selection. I will be configuring a POP3 account
using the information immediately below.

The following settings are used to create a POP3 Gmail account but IMap
settings are very similar. When entering the information below press the
tab

key to move from edit field to edit field.

In the Incoming mail server edit field type the following: pop.gmail.com

In the Outgoing Email Server Name edit field type the following:
smtp.gmail.com

Outgoing server requires authentication (Check this checkbox)

Tab through all these settings once again to confirm they are correct.
When
you are finished tab to Next and press enter.

8. On the fifth screen of this wizard you will be asked to enter your
internet mail log on information. Your email user name (RyanF) will most
likely be entered automatically. You can manually delete the information
in
this edit field, or you can simply type over it by entering your full
Gmail
address (E.G.: RyanX@gmail.com). It is very important you enter your full
formal Gmail account email address. Press tab and enter your Gmail
password.

Press tab again and hit the spacebar to check the following checkbox:
Remember password. Tab to Next and press enter.
9. You have now come to the final screen in this new account wizard. This
screen is essentially a screen congratulating you on having successfully
entered all the information required to setup your new email account. Tab
to

the Finish button and press enter. Tab to the Close button and press
enter.
10. Once the previous screen closes you will be placed in your Inbox, but
you are not finished configuring your Gmail account just yet.
11. Press Alt + letter T to open the Tools menu then press the letter A
for
Accounts.
12. Press the Home key to go to the top of the accounts list view. Down
arrow through your accounts until you highlight the pop.gmail.com account.
13. Press Control + letter P or tab to the Properties button and press
enter.
14. After the multi-page dialogue box opens press Control + Shift + Tab
key
once. You will be placed on the Advanced tab of this dialogue box. Make
sure

to correctly enter the following Server Port Numbers in their respective
edit fields:

Outgoing mail (SMTP): 465
This server requires a secure connection (SSL): (check this checkbox)

Incoming mail (POP3): 995
This server requires a secure connection (SSL): (check this checkbox)

15. Tab to the following setting and make sure it is not checked: Leave a
copy of messages on server.
Note: this setting is optional, but I choose to download my GMail only
once.
16. These settings are very important so tab through this entire dialogue
box twice to insure you have entered the information correctly.
17. When you have verified all settings have been configured properly,
simply tab to Apply and press enter. Tab to the Close button and press
enter.
18. Press F5 or Control + letter M to check for new email. If you do not
receive any new email messages send a test message to your Gmail account
to
insure your Windows Mail settings have been configured properly.
19. If all is well you should hear the progress of your email as it is
being

downloaded. If you are a JAWS user you can check the progress of the
download by pressing Insert + the numpad page down key.

`1Creating Message Rules

Creating Message rules in windows Mail can help you sort messages into
personal folders. This is beneficial if you belong to many list serves and
would like your new downloaded messages automatically sorted into their
respective list serve folders. The following tutorial will help you create
a

personal Windows Mail folder as well as creating a message rule that will
direct new email into this specific folder.

`2To create a new email folder:
1. While in the Inbox press the new folder hotkey: Control + shift +
letter
E. You can also press Alt + letter F to open the file menu. Press the
enter
key on New.... Down arrow and press enter on Folder.... Both of these
procedures will take you to the Create folder dialogue box.
2. You will be placed on an edit field where you can type a name for the
folder you will be creating. You can name your folder anything you like,
but

you should try to limit the name of this folder to two or three words
(E.G.:

W7Starter Messages).
3. After naming what will be your personalized email folder, press the Tab
key once then press the Home key. You should here: "level 0, local folders
open." Press up arrow if you have to manually find your way to this folder
at level 0. This is a very important step so make sure you correctly
complete this step.
4. Tab through this dialogue box once again to insure all is configured
properly.
5. Tab to Ok and press enter.
6. You have now completed the process of creating a new email folder.
7. To verify that your folder has been created properly simply press
Control

+ letter Y, press the Home key once, right arrow once, then down arrow
through your list of folders or press the first few letters of your
folder.

You will now create a message rule that will tell Windows Mail to redirect
any new email messages from the W7Starters list to the W7Starter Messages
folder.

`2To create a new message rule:
1. Press alt + letter T to open the Tools menu then down arrow and press
enter on the Message rules submenu.
2. Press enter on Mail....
3. The New Mail Rule dialogue box will appear. There will be four separate
configurations to be made: 1. Select the Conditions for your rule, 2.
Select

the Actions for your rule, 3. Rule Description, and 4. Name of the rule.
4. You must first specify conditions for your rule. You will be presented
with a list view containing twelve possible conditions. Press down arrow
to
review your choices. These options can be checked and unchecked with a
press

of the spacebar. You can also check more than one condition. It is very
important to keep in mind that when it comes time to checking one of these
options, JAWS will not give you any feedback as to whether an item has
been
checked or not. JAWS will only repeat the item. Nevertheless, be assured
that in fact the selection has been made and you can tab to the next
setting. For the purposes of this tutorial, down arrow and select the
following condition: Where the Subject line contains specific words. Press
the spacebar on this item, and you should hear the condition being
repeated.
5. Tab once and you will be placed on the list view containing possible
actions to be associated with your previous condition. Since you have
already configured the message rule to take action based on the subject
line

of an email message, you will now dictate what that action should be. For
your purpose, you want to redirect new W7Starter list messages away from
your Inbox and into the W7Starter Messages folder. All messages from the
W7Starter's list have an identifying set of characters in their subject
line

(W7Starter), so you will use this information to make your configurations.
Press the spacebar to select the first option on this list: Move it to the
specified folder. Press the tab key to go to the next step.
6. While in the Rule Description edit box press up arrow until you read
the
following line of text: Apply this rule after the message arrives. Down
arrow to line #2 and press the Home key to be placed on the first
character
of this second line. Use your screen reader's Move to next word command
only

once (JAWS command is Insert + NumPad right arrow). You will now have to
bring the mouse cursor to your current location and execute a left click.
If

you are a JAWS user press Insert + NumPad minus (-) key. Follow this up
with

a single JAWS left click command which is NumPad slash (/) key. The
following dialogue box will present itself: Type specific words or a
phrase,

and click Add. Enter the following in this edit field: W7Starter. Tab to
the

Add button and press the spacebar. Tab to Ok and press the spacebar. You
will be returned to the rule description edit field. Review the second
line
of text once again to insure you read the following: Where the Subject
line
contains W7Starter. You will have to repeat a similar process for line #3.
Down arrow to the following line: Move it to the specified folder. Once
again, press the Home key. Move the cursor to the second word by using
your
screen reader's NextWord command. Press the JAWS cursor to PC cursor
command

(Insert + NumPad minus key). Follow this up with a single left click
command

which can be executed by pressing the NumPad slash (/) key. You will be
placed on the Local folders tree view. Press right arrow to open this tree
view then down arrow through your email folders until you locate the
W7Starter Messages folder. Tab to Ok and press enter. You will be returned
to the rule description edit field. Review the three lines in this edit
field to insure all values are correct. Tab to the next item to name this
rule.
7. Enter a name for your new Message rule. Tab to Ok and press enter. Tab
to

Ok once again and press enter.
8. Now that you have completed the process of creating a message rule that
will redirect messages from your Inbox to your desired folder, you need
only

wait for new messages to arrive.

`2To delete a message rule:
1. Press Alt + letter T for Tools then press the letter R or down arrow to
Message rules and press enter. Press enter on Mail....
2. You will be placed on the list of message rules. Select a rule then
press

the Delete key, or press Alt + letter R, or tab to Remove and press enter.
You will be presented with a message asking you to confirm that you want
to
delete your message rule. Press enter on the Yes button. Tab to Ok and
press

enter.
Note: you must tab to Ok and press enter or your message rule will not be
removed.

`1Indexing Your Windows Mail Messages

As a result of this tutorial, Windows Mail is now an integral part of
Windows7, but Windows7 is clueless of this fact. This can put you at a
significant disadvantage as you will not be able to run a search for email
messages saved or created after windows Mail was revived. .Windows search
Index to the rescue! The search index is a method used by Windows to track
newly created files and subsequent changes made to these files. The Index
includes many file types, but it can also be easily configured to index
files and folders not indexed by default. The following tutorial will walk
you through enlightening Windows7 about it's new email client and
associated

files. After completing the following tutorial you will be able to use the
Start menu search box to find any email message saved within your previous
email client's message stores as well as your new Windows Mail message
stores.

`2To add Windows Mail to the Search Index:
1. Press the Windows key to go to the Start menu search box and type the
following and hit enter: indexing options.
2. Tab to Modify and press enter.
Note: You may be presented with the following message:

"Either there is no default mail client or the current mail client cannot
fulfill the messaging request. Please run Microsoft Office Outlook and
set
it as the default mail client.
OK."

You can simply press escape to close this message. You will have to press
Alt + Tab to return focus to the Indexing options dialogue box.
3. Press the tab key once or until you locate the following: Summary of
selected locations basket list view. Press down arrow to locate the
Windows
Live Mail entry.
4. Press Shift + Tab key once. The location of the Windows Live Mail
folder
will be highlighted and presented in a hierarchical tree view format. You
will also notice that this folder will have a checkbox associated with it.
Leave this item checked and arrow down once or twice to select the Windows
Mail entry. Press the spacebar to change the status of this Windows Mail
folder to checked.
5. Tab to ok and press enter. If necessary, press tab to Ok and hit enter
once again.
6. At this point the Windows search Index will begin indexing all of your
Windows Mail email messages. Depending on the number of email messages you
have accumulated, this may take a few seconds or much longer.
7. After the indexing of your messages has been completed, try running a
search for a recent email message. Press the Windows key to go to the
Start
menu search box and type the following then press down arrow to review the
results (you can also copy and paste this search syntax):
kind:email date:yesterday
As you down arrow through the search results you will be presented with a
list of email messages from your Inbox, or from your W7Starters's folder,
or

in any other folder containing saved email messages from the previous day.
Press enter to read the message. Press escape to close the message.
If you do not get any hits you may have to try variations on the "date"
filter such as
Today or lastweek.

After a little practice, you will discover using Windows Search will help
you find email messages with speed and ease you've never experienced
before.

`1Removing Take Ownership from the Windows Context menu

Now that Windows Mail has been successfully installed and configured, you
can do some minor housecleaning. You installed a utility called Take
Ownership, which allowed you to have complete access to a specific Windows
system file. You will no longer have any need for this Take Ownership
utility, so removing it from the Windows Context menu is in order.

`2To remove Take Ownership from the Windows Context menu:
1. Locate the Ryan's Windows Mail Tweak folder.
2. Open the following subfolder: Take ownership Removal. Press enter on
the
single registry file: Remove Take Ownership.reg.
3. When the registry editor message is presented press enter on the Yes
button. Press enter on the Ok button.
4. Open a Windows Explorer window, open a folder, locate any file, and
press

the Windows Context menu key. Press down arrow through all of the options
to

make sure that the Take Ownership entry is no longer listed.

`1Closing Comments

As I've stated above, I've had absolutely zero problems with this process
and Windows Mail in general--it simply works. Yet, there are a few things
to

keep in mind...

1. Will I be able to use the Help files?
You will not have access to any of the Windows Mail help files. In fact,
there isn't much at all in the Help menu. This is far from a show stopper
as

Windows Mail has been around for years now, so any question you may have
can

be answered very quickly by running the most basic Google search. If you
are

an experienced Outlook Express user, you will not have any need for the
help

files. Judging from the types of messages I read on various list serves it
doesn't appear too many people are fans of the F1 key or help menus in
general anyways so this is in no way a hindrance.

2. Should I uninstall windows Live Mail?
This is a personal decision, but if you want access to all your previously
saved Windows Live Mail messages I suggest you do not uninstall it. If you
have followed every step of this tutorial you will have incapacitated WLM
to

the point that you will forget about it in a couple of weeks. In the event
you have the need to review an older email message as might be the case
with

a message relating to a purchase or an important personal email message,
you

will want access to that document. By deleting or removing your message
stores you will not have access to this information. Furthermore, by not
uninstalling your previous email client you will not have to import the
old
messages into Windows Mail as you can readily access these email messages
by

running a simple search as described above. As a small digression, after
installing Windows Mail I was so overwhelmed with its great accessibility
and stability that I instantly decided that WLM must go for good. This was
a

huge mistake because I incorrectly believed that by deleting the accounts
my

email stores would still remain. A few minutes after deleting all of my
accounts I stopped to wonder why I was hearing so much hard drive and
processor activity on my computer. I suddenly recalled the familiar sound
I
was hearing, it was the Windows index deleting entries. Awareness of what
I
had just done hit me like a ton of bricks--I had just accidentally deleted
absolutely all of my email messages. Windows was now busily removing
thousands of email message entries from its search index. Luckily I
followed

every step of this tutorial and backed up my email messages!

3. Are there any weird quirks with this Windows Mail tweak?
If you press your Windows Mail hotkey, and if you have not yet established
a

connection to the internet, you may be presented with the following
message:

"Windows Mail dialogue
Windows Mail has stopped working. A problem has caused the program to
stop
working correctly. Please close the program.
Close the program button."

This message is nothing to worry about. The solution is to first press
enter

on the Close this program button. Launch your browser such as Internet
Explorer. Confirm you are connected by running a Google search. If you are
sure you are connected to the internet press your Windows Mail hotkey once
again and your email client should open in it's normal fashion.

4. Will I still have to compact messages in windows Mail?
Yes. Like Outlook Express before it and WLM after it, you will have to
compact your email messages after opening your email client 100 times. You
will get the following message:

"Windows Mail
Windows Mail can compact the message store. This may take up to a few
minutes.
OK Cancel
Get help from communities"

Press enter on Ok for the process to begin. The entire process may take a
few seconds or a few minutes.

5. Anything else I should know?
As I stated within the tutorial, do not forget to go back into the folder
options and return the settings for hidden files and system files back to
their defaults (off). See Step #3 above.

-----end of instructions ----


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dee & Rick" <deerick73@att.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:04
Subject: user friendly email account


Hello all,
I'm working with JAWS 13, windows 7, 64 bit
For years I've used outlook express with xp and loved it. However, from my
understanding outlook express doesn't work or is no longer available with
windows 7. AT&T is my internet server
I'm looking for an email server that is jaws friendly. I've tried yahoo
but
can't get it too work right for me. (could be user error). I see where WLM
is also used but that also seems cumbersome to me. So any ideas? Or am I
just so use to outlook express that all others seem cumbersome? Before I
get

too frustrated I'm looking for ideas of what email accounts to try that
not
only jaws likes but also AT&T, who seem to only want to use yahoo. I did
find a tutorial for yahoo and jaws but when I follow the instructions
nothing the guy says does what it is suppose to do.
When replying please talk in simple terms! I admit I'm an idiot!
Thanks
Dee

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Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...>
 

I've never had a message where I couldn't just press shift + tab and get to
the attachments list. This is in outlook 2007 with all different types of
messages including html and rtf. I don't doubt that this might be different
in 2003. I skipped from 2000 directly to 2007. Hope this helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:59 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

If all email messages were plain text, shift + Tab would always put you on
the list of attachments; however, especially with HTML (and I think with RTF
format too), the attachments are embedded in the message. The control +
shift + o converts the message to plain text so that shift + tab works.
That is how it works in 2003, and I'm not going from memory. I just tested
it.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:15 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

You shouldn't need to press anything except shift + tab. That should take
you to the list of attachments. No other keystrokes needed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:26 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

OK.
I'm obviously confused.
In Outlook 2003, if, while in a message, I press control + shift + O, the
message is converted to plain text, and the embedded messages are moved up
to the attachment box. Then, one can press shift + tab to land on the
attachments. From there, one can open the message attachments. That, I
think, is what Ann is describing.
I thought Ted was saying one can no longer do that in Outlook 2010.
Actually, I'm due to get Outlook 2010 this weekend. So, I'll try all the
keystrokes suggested here and then report.
Speculation is fun, but actually testing in the actual program tends to
produce more reliable results. <SMILE>
I thought it was in one of the Hadley seminars that I heard Dave's method of
pressing the App key in the message list no longer produces an applications
menu with attachments displayed. Perhaps that referred to 2010 only and not
to 2007 and 2010.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

But if while in the message you shift-tab once, your cursor
is on the attachment name. then just press enter to open it.
At 03:50 PM 11/29/2012, you wrote:
OK. I was told wrong. Perhaps it is just Outlook 2010 that has
disabled the technique that, like you, I use almost daily.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Ed,

Beg to differ. This is exactly the way I've done it with Outlook 2007 with
versions of JAWS all the way back to 11. I'm using Windows 7, if that helps
to clear the discrepancy.

Pressing the Apps key (or Shift+F10) opens a context menu with "View
Attachments submenu" as the choice with the hotkey "H".

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:20
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Dave:
Looking forward to your report.
I agree that using the App key on the message list is a much better way to
get to attachments in Outlook 2003.
I'm told, however, that it is no longer possible to use this function in
Outlook 2007 or 2010?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Adrian,

Yes, I recall that with my copy of Outlook 2007 it also requires that I
right click (or Apps key) and select open to open attachments. I think this
has been in place since JAWS 12, but not certain at this point. However you
can also open the attachments from the message list:

Highlight the message with the attachment.
Right click or Apps key.
"H" for attachment.
Press enter on the desired attachment from the context menu.

I find this a lot faster than opening the message first, when I don't need
to see the message body text for context.

I will be reporting in another couple weeks on an ongoing experiment I'm
running with JAWS, Windows 7 and Office 2007. Very interesting things
happening -- or perhaps not happening any more.

Stay tuned.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:23
Subject: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Hi. A friend whose law firm still uses Outlook 2003 installed JAWS 14 the
other day and found that she could no longer open email attachments as
easily as she had done before. Instead of just pressing enter to open one,
she now has to right-click, then go to open and then press enter. Only two
more steps, yes, but a nuisance when it's a task we perform dozens of times
every day.

However, here's the reason I'm posting this message. She contacted FS Tech
Support and was told that JAWS 14 does not support Outlook 2003.

If anyone has a different experience, I'd be curious. Otherwise, this is an
FYI to any listers who, like me, still live in the pre-ribbon era.

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Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

If all email messages were plain text, shift + Tab would always put you on the list of attachments; however, especially with HTML (and I think with RTF format too), the attachments are embedded in the message. The control + shift + o converts the message to plain text so that shift + tab works.
That is how it works in 2003, and I'm not going from memory. I just tested it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:15 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

You shouldn't need to press anything except shift + tab. That should take
you to the list of attachments. No other keystrokes needed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:26 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

OK.
I'm obviously confused.
In Outlook 2003, if, while in a message, I press control + shift + O, the
message is converted to plain text, and the embedded messages are moved up
to the attachment box. Then, one can press shift + tab to land on the
attachments. From there, one can open the message attachments. That, I
think, is what Ann is describing.
I thought Ted was saying one can no longer do that in Outlook 2010.
Actually, I'm due to get Outlook 2010 this weekend. So, I'll try all the
keystrokes suggested here and then report.
Speculation is fun, but actually testing in the actual program tends to
produce more reliable results. <SMILE>
I thought it was in one of the Hadley seminars that I heard Dave's method of
pressing the App key in the message list no longer produces an applications
menu with attachments displayed. Perhaps that referred to 2010 only and not
to 2007 and 2010.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

But if while in the message you shift-tab once, your cursor
is on the attachment name. then just press enter to open it.
At 03:50 PM 11/29/2012, you wrote:
OK. I was told wrong. Perhaps it is just Outlook 2010 that has
disabled the technique that, like you, I use almost daily.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Ed,

Beg to differ. This is exactly the way I've done it with Outlook 2007 with
versions of JAWS all the way back to 11. I'm using Windows 7, if that helps
to clear the discrepancy.

Pressing the Apps key (or Shift+F10) opens a context menu with "View
Attachments submenu" as the choice with the hotkey "H".

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:20
Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Dave:
Looking forward to your report.
I agree that using the App key on the message list is a much better way to
get to attachments in Outlook 2003.
I'm told, however, that it is no longer possible to use this function in
Outlook 2007 or 2010?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14

Adrian,

Yes, I recall that with my copy of Outlook 2007 it also requires that I
right click (or Apps key) and select open to open attachments. I think this
has been in place since JAWS 12, but not certain at this point. However you
can also open the attachments from the message list:

Highlight the message with the attachment.
Right click or Apps key.
"H" for attachment.
Press enter on the desired attachment from the context menu.

I find this a lot faster than opening the message first, when I don't need
to see the message body text for context.

I will be reporting in another couple weeks on an ongoing experiment I'm
running with JAWS, Windows 7 and Office 2007. Very interesting things
happening -- or perhaps not happening any more.

Stay tuned.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:23
Subject: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14


Hi. A friend whose law firm still uses Outlook 2003 installed JAWS 14 the
other day and found that she could no longer open email attachments as
easily as she had done before. Instead of just pressing enter to open one,
she now has to right-click, then go to open and then press enter. Only two
more steps, yes, but a nuisance when it's a task we perform dozens of times
every day.

However, here's the reason I'm posting this message. She contacted FS Tech
Support and was told that JAWS 14 does not support Outlook 2003.

If anyone has a different experience, I'd be curious. Otherwise, this is an
FYI to any listers who, like me, still live in the pre-ribbon era.

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