Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
I have spoken with a couple of people in the past where they had terrible experiences with reps in apple stores and didn't receive good help. However, that doesn't mean squat but I am just responding to the statement about reps in the stores and how much they know how to use voice over and provide demonstration. For that very same reason is why I decided to provide voice over training at BlindAccessTraining.com, because the entire team is comprised of totally blind individuals and have experience working with what we advertise. So, when folks tell me that reps over at apple are the friendliest and most helpful folks you will be able to find, well, I don't care if they are friendly but can you "help?" I use pages to do a lot of the word processing and use numbers on my IPhone to use numbers, the spread sheet app akinda to excel. I like all flavors, windows and the mac and have no preference over the other, btw.
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-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gary King Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7? Dave, I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to get a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you? In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do serious office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word Excel, etc. Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac user groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been done on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a little Google searching may be needed. Gary King w4wkz@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7? Lauren,
As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.
Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53 Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
Hi,
Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with Jaws 14?
I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to an Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.
Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
Or, you can visit http://www.blindaccesstraining.com/ and fill out the contact us form and a trainer will be in contact with you and would be happy to answer any questions you have concerning the mac.-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:19 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7? Lauren, As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure. Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53 Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7? Hi, Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with Jaws 14? I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to an Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind. Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks. Sincerely, Lauren -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20121130/bab66f85/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Mike,
Yes, and I can remove the Google Toolbar and other toolbars very easily using Add/Remove programs in the control panel or in the Programs and Features dialog.
What I'm referring to is the area in IE where you find the address, favorites bar, the search field and search preference, and the tab for the current page. How do I get rid of all that cr**p so I don't get stuck in there?
Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike B." <mb69mach1@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 06:51 Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus? Hi Ted & Dave, The Google toolbar can be removed through the control panel. Also, the revo uninstaller will remove any leftover remnants of a program / toolbar, such as crap that a program will leave in the registry or in folders like the application folder in your name or owner folder on the root of the C drive. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 5:35 AM Subject: RE: JAWS losing focus? You never can tell. I don't use them for anything save the occasional query, and didn't even know the fool thing was there, until I check the list of potential programs. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:19 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus? Ted, Worth a try, but I suspect that revo uninstall just removes tool bars, and not the entire address bar - favorites bar - search bar area. Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:13 Subject: RE: JAWS losing focus? Try one of the after-market uninstall programs like Revo Uninstall, an app mentioned by several of us on this list. I somehow picked up a Google bar (sounds like something with chocolate and nuts, doesn't it?), and that program nixed it. Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Abby Vincent Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:25 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: JAWS losing focus? Is the address/search tar baby part of IE or Google? I have the same problem of getting stuck. I did manage to remove it, but when I went to the IE page again, it came back up. The JAWS cursor and ctrl-f6 methods do work, but I'd really like to get rid of it completely. As far as I know, it does nothing that can't be done in a less annoying way. Abby -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:48 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus? Yes, Happens to me a lot, even if the page is completely loaded. Alt+tab a couple times, and even sometimes need to minimize IE and maximize again to get it focused. And I always have to press Ctrl+F6 to get out of the upper address/favorites/search section. Very easy to get stuck in that tar-baby of IE. And yes, it's frustrating. In some particularly severe cases I even need to use my JAWS cursor to find some text on the web page and press left click to "wake up" the page into focus. JAWS 13 and 14 both do this. Using IE8. Windows 7. Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karoline Bourdeau" <karoline.bourdeau@...> To: <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 15:20 Subject: JAWS losing focus? I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the web, JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to where I was. Anyone else? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20121129/8c014b41/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com_______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com_______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com_______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com_______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com_______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20121130/cebce61f/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Aidan,
Since the whole concept of "focus" is related to JAWS being focused in a particular application, I think it's safe to say that it's related to JAWS and not the application. After all, a person with sight can see the application, unless they are not wearing their glasses.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Aidan Maher" <aidan.smarttalk@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 10:45 Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus? Is this focus thing jaws fault, or the actual programs you are using fault? Just wunder about that? How do we make sure of that? Quite tricky. On 30/11/2012, George Marshall <marshall.geoma4@...> wrote: I have this los of focus each time I enter Outlook 2003.
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-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Karoline Bourdeau Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:20 PM To: jfw@... Subject: JAWS losing focus?
I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the web, JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to where I was.
Anyone else?
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
Gary,
True, but setting an appointment and specifically asking for that service would help. And then being insistent and persistent with the staff. Only way we can get their attention.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 09:40 Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7? Dave, I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to get a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you? In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do serious office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word Excel, etc. Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac user groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been done on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a little Google searching may be needed. Gary King w4wkz@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7? Lauren,
As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.
Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53 Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
Hi,
Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with Jaws 14?
I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to an Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.
Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.
Sincerely,
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
Hi, Both JAWS 12 and 13 will work fine with Windows 7. Only JAWS 14 will work with Windows 8, or at least that's my understanding.
I really like the idea of going with a Mac at some point in the future, but there would be a considerable learning curve involved. The good news is that if a new Mac has a touchpad and you're already used to using an IOS device, navigating using the touchpad will be similar to what you'd do on an iPhone or iPad. I like that idea a lot, as I'm an avid iPhone user.
Tom
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:18 AM Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7? Lauren,
As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.
Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53 Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
Hi,
Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with Jaws 14?
I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to an Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.
Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.
Sincerely,
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Re: Automatically restricting the Jaws cursor
Is there a setting that will have it automatically set to "real" without me pressing insert+r each time?
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-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Aidan Maher Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:07 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Automatically restricting the Jaws cursor Yes, just press insert plus r once you in that window. On 30/11/2012, rhs@q.com <rhs@q.com> wrote: Hi,
I have an application I want to restrict the Jaws cursor to "Real". Is there a way to have JFW automatically restrict the Jaws cursor whenever I am using that particular application?
I am running Windows 7 and JFW 14.
Thanks
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Not tricky at all. If such a problem occurs with JAWS and not otherwise, probabilities are high that it's JAWS.
A more difficult question is why JAWS acts this way on some systems but not on others. I do not experience JAWS losing focus as I switch in and out of Outlook 2003, but many people do. The answers must lie with the video drivers or other computer-specific hardware or programming. I wish FS were willing to publish a list of computer parts that work or don't work with JAWS based on in-house tests and user reports.
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-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Aidan Maher Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:45 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus? Is this focus thing jaws fault, or the actual programs you are using fault? Just wunder about that? How do we make sure of that? Quite tricky. On 30/11/2012, George Marshall <marshall.geoma4@...> wrote: I have this los of focus each time I enter Outlook 2003.
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-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Karoline Bourdeau Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:20 PM To: jfw@... Subject: JAWS losing focus?
I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the web, JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to where I was.
Anyone else?
Thanks.
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Re: Automatically restricting the Jaws cursor
Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
Yes, just press insert plus r once you in that window.
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I have an application I want to restrict the Jaws cursor to "Real". Is there a way to have JFW automatically restrict the Jaws cursor whenever I am using that particular application?
I am running Windows 7 and JFW 14.
Thanks
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
Thanks so much.
Sincerely,
Lauren
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:40 Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7? Dave, I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to get a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?
In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do serious office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word Excel, etc.
Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac user groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been done on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a little Google searching may be needed.
Gary King w4wkz@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
Lauren,
As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.
Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53 Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
Hi,
Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with Jaws 14?
I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to an Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.
Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.
Sincerely,
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Automatically restricting the Jaws cursor
Hi,
I have an application I want to restrict the Jaws cursor to "Real". Is there a way to have JFW automatically restrict the Jaws cursor whenever I am using that particular application?
I am running Windows 7 and JFW 14.
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Flexible web and html code
Brian and Denise Albriton <autoharp@...>
There is a page I go to which has quite a few like and comment buttons. How might I easily find the element I want to hide when configuring flexible web. Nothing in the elements listed in the flexible web dialog has the words comment or like and what is there is obscure to be at this point. Just need a little web education I would say. I love flexible web and the potential it has. Brian
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Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk@...>
Is this focus thing jaws fault, or the actual programs you are using fault? Just wunder about that? How do we make sure of that? Quite tricky.
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I have this los of focus each time I enter Outlook 2003.
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk@...>
People also can go to the white stick website. Tom Lawromer has a lot of listserves that he gives that you can join. Alot of the mac and IOS lists can be gotten there. www.whitestick.co.uk
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On 11/30/12, Gary King <w4wkz@...> wrote: Dave, I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to get
a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?
In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do serious
office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word Excel, etc.
Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac user
groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been done
on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a little
Google searching may be needed.
Gary King w4wkz@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
Lauren,
As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.
Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53 Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
Hi,
Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with Jaws 14?
I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to an Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.
Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.
Sincerely,
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
Dave, I wonder how many of those folks in an Apple store really know how to use the VoiceOver screen reader well enough to show how well it works with various applications. Even if you found a knowledgeable person, how long would you be able to spend working with a Mac in a store environment to get a good idea of how well a Mac would work for you?
In a Mac versus Windows PC discussion we had on the list a while ago, I recall that it was the opinion of those folks who had used both platforms that as long as you did simple tasks like email, Internet, playing a few tunes, etc, the Mac was quite usable. However, if you wanted to do serious office work, your productivity would be much better on a Windows-based PC with JAWS or another commercial screen reader. Microsoft has never made much effort to write their Office software to be accessible on the Mac platform, so a Mac user would need to find workable substitutes for Word Excel, etc.
Anyone planning to go to a Mac should ask lots of questions on the Mac user groups for the blind and listen to a number of podcasts that have been done on Mac accessibility. Blind Cool Tech has quite a few of those podcasts that may be helpful. I don't have the URLs for the user groups, so a little Google searching may be needed.
Gary King w4wkz@...
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As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.
Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53 Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
Hi,
Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with Jaws 14?
I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to an Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.
Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.
Sincerely,
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Good Morning: I'm not surprised about Freedom Scientific's response on this problem. Loosing focus goes back several versions in different applications. The earliest version of Jaws was back in version 6 that this problem started showing up for me. Sometimes you can alt+tab a time or more to get rid of the problem. At times you are forced to shut Jaws down and restart it. In version 13/14 I'm noticed it the worst, where you are forced to shutdown and restart the computer to regain sound when reading messages in Outlook 10 with Windows 7 on an Hp computer. Considering I have had this problem on many different applications on my work computer I didn't even think about reporting the problem. Your Friend Dave
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-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Abby Vincent Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:00 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: JAWS losing focus? This happens to me often. I lose focus especially just after I've entered something, such as in an edit box. I haven't tried lately, but earlier this year, FS tech support said it's a windows problem. I did have a sighted person try the same action without using JAWS. No loss of focus. I hope someone on the list will have a fix, but I'm pretty sure it's an issue that JAWS needs to address. Abby -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:48 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS losing focus? Yes, Happens to me a lot, even if the page is completely loaded. Alt+tab a couple times, and even sometimes need to minimize IE and maximize again to get it focused. And I always have to press Ctrl+F6 to get out of the upper address/favorites/search section. Very easy to get stuck in that tar-baby of IE. And yes, it's frustrating. In some particularly severe cases I even need to use my JAWS cursor to find some text on the web page and press left click to "wake up" the page into focus. JAWS 13 and 14 both do this. Using IE8. Windows 7. Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karoline Bourdeau" <karoline.bourdeau@...> To: <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 15:20 Subject: JAWS losing focus? I am not sure how to fix this. When I am in a window say reading the web, JAWS would lose focus. I have to shift tab twice to get back to where I was. Anyone else? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20121129/8c014b41/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com_______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
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Wel, defnitly windows8 would only work with 14 or above, and if you manage to get it work on an earlyer version, expect serious problems.
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On 30/11/2012, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote: Lauren,
As to Mac vs. PC, you should go to your local Apple store, making an appointment with the Genius Bar to have them sit with you on a couple Macs and let you try it out. Best way I know of to be sure.
Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren" <lotusrising@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 05:53 Subject: Jaws 12 or 13 & windows 7?
Hi,
Would Jaws 12 or 13 work with Windows 7 and has anyone used Windows 8 with Jaws 14?
I have to buy a new laptop and wonder which OS I should buy or switch to an
Apple where I don't have to shell out money for upgrades of software like Jaws, but can't afford any less accessibility as I am totally blind.
Any advice please, I'd be grateful. Thanks.
Sincerely,
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Re: user friendly email account
This happened when I tried to export registry settings.
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On 11/29/2012 7:46 AM, Farfar Carlson wrote: Claudia,
I've never seen that problem you describe. I wonder if it's because you don't have Administrator privileges?
Does the error happen when you try to run regedit.exe from the run dialog, or when you try to export the registry settings?
Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit
----- Original Message ----- From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 03:43 Subject: Re: user friendly email account
Followed all steps herr, until the registrey editor. I attempted to back that up, as indicated below, and Jaws kept saying Registry Editor Error and then, prompted me to cancel. So, I aborted the Windows Mail tweak plan and reset the folders options to what they previusly were, before attempting this. Maybe, I will try this on my Dell because I don't have as much to lose on that machine, but I would like to have the Windows Mail functionality, to see if this is better than what I'm currently using, Thunderbird and Windows Live.
I have Windows 7 64 byt Home, on that machine.
Claudia
On 11/27/2012 6:08 AM, John Sherrer wrote:
I also use this email on Windows 7 64 bit. John
-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:28 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: user friendly email account
Dee,
It is possible to adjust Windows 7 so that you can run Windows Mail, which is very close to Outlook Express in how it works. I've used this process on my Windows 7 32-bit machine, so I know it does work.
Read through this and if it sounds like something you'd like to try, write me off-list and I'll send you the files you need.
----- beginning of instructions ------ Ryan's Windows Mail Tweak
I am a big fan of the Microsoft windows7 operating system, but I feel
one of its weaknesses is its email client Windows Live mail. Many others who
have used Windows Live Mail (WLM) have also conveyed problems with instability resulting in spontaneous email client crashes, interface difficulties, and overall poor performance. Though Microsoft has released a WLM 2011 upgrade, users have conveyed similar issues still remain.
Windows Mail was the native email client on the Windows Vista operating system and the predecessor to Windows Live mail. After installing Windows Mail on my Windows7 operating system I have found it exhibits incredible stability in day to day performance. As a screen reader user I have found Windows Mail very easy to use as the interface is almost identical to my much adored Outlook Express. In short, Windows Mail simply works!
Below you will find my step-by-step tutorial for configuring your Windows7 computer to begin using Windows Mail. To complete this task you will have to make changes to the Windows7 registry, but if you carefully follow the instructions below you should not have any problems. To further insure the integrity and stability of the Windows7 operating system, it is also of the highest importance you do not take any shortcuts in this tutorial. If you feel you're a computer whiz and following instructions does
not apply to you, please seriously consider skipping this tutorial altogether and maybe seek out a different solution.
To make completion of this tutorial a bit easier, I suggest you consider using an audio recorder such as the Victor Reader Stream to record the tutorial line by line. When executing each of the steps below, in the event you may need to review information, you can quickly rewind the audio rather than repeatedly switching back and forth between windows. Performing this step is of course entirely up to you, but for a procedure like this I would not want to take any chances I may forget a step.
Important! Very! Important! I have gone out of my way to assure accuracy of this information but computers are finiky and anything can happen. By taking even the slightest action based on any of the information presented below, you are taking matters into your own hands and cannot hold me responsible for your errors or random mishaps resulting from this procedure. Only attempt this procedure
if you are confident you can successfully complete the entire process. I will also inform you that you will need to use an Administrator account to complete this tutorial. Furthermore, you will want to read through this tutorial in its entirety to compare your technical skills with the demands of this procedure. This is not a very demanding task but it does require a bit of technical familiarity with the Windows operating system.
This tutorial consists of two parts. The first part is the actual procedure of configuring the Windows7 operating system to enable the use of Windows Mail. The second part of this tutorial consists of a collection of mini-tutorials for configuring Windows Mail accounts and configuring maximum
accessibility. This procedure can be completed on Windows7 32-bit and 64-bit
operating systems. I have primarily performed this procedure on Windos7 Home
Premium operating systems, and others have reported success on the professional and related versions of windows7.
It is very important you determine the version of Windows7 you are using; especially when it comes to completing step #16 below. To do so, press the Windows key + the pause/break key. The Pause/Break key is the third key in the three-pack of keys at the very top right hand corner of a standard 104-key keyboard. Use your screen reader's mouse cursor key such as
the JAWS cursor to read this entire screen from top to bottom. About 15 lines from the top of the screen you will find the text verifying the version of Windows you are using (E.G.: System type: 64-bit Operating System). Press Alt + F4 to close the System properties window.
Note: To quickly review the various sections of this tutorial simply use your word processor's find feature to search for the following characters: `1 or `2. The grave accent key is the key right under the escape key on a standard keyboard. Search for `1 to find major sections of this tutorial and
search for `2 to locate the individual tutorials.
`1Part 1: Windows Mail on Windows7
`2To tweak Windows7 to use Windows Mail: 1. Create an image of your hard drive in the event something goes horribly wrong--though nothing should go wrong. If you do not have a means of creating an image of your hard drive then use System Restore to create a Restore Point so you can return to a good working version of your Windows7 OS. Do the following to create a restore point: A. Press the Windows key to go to the Start menu search box and type the following and press the enter key: Create a restore point. B. Tab about 5 times or until you get to the following item and press the enter key: Create.... C. Type a descriptive name such as "BeforeWindowsMailTweak" and press the enter key. Wait a few seconds for the process to complete. D. Follow any remaining dialogues and when finished press Alt + F4 to close the System Protection utility.
2. If you are currently using Windows Live Mail or a similar email client make sure you backup all of your email-related files and folders. To determine where these folders are located do the following: A. In Windows Live Mail press Alt + letter T for Tools then up arrow and press enter on Options. B. Press Control + Shift + the Tab key once to get to the "Advanced tab." Tab to Maintenance... and press enter. C. In the Maintenance dialog box tab to the following option and press enter: Store Folder.... D. Tab to the following edit field: Your personal message store is located in the following folder. You can press the home key then press Shift + the End key to select the entire path. Note: It is the NumPad end key you should press and not the letter N. E. You are finished with your email client so close any open dialogues. F. Press the Windows key to go to the Start menu search box and paste the path you just copied into this edit field then press enter. G. When your email client's program files folder opens you can press the backspace key to highlight this specific folder. H. Press Control + letter C to copy this folder and paste it in a safe storage location such as an external hard drive. It may take a few minutes to copy this folder since it will probably contain your entire collection of
email messages. Note: You can also choose to export your WLM email message stores. While Windows Live Mail is open, press Alt + letter F to go to the file menu then down arrow and press enter on Export. An export wizard will launch. Use your
screen reader's mouse cursor keys such as the JAWS cursor key to read all screens.
3. In order to complete this tutorial you must have access to all windows system and hidden files. To insure this you will have to make some changes within Windows's Folder Options. A. Press the Windows key to go to the Start menu search box and type the following and press enter: Folder options. B. Press Control + the Tab key once. C. Tab once then press the Home key to highlight the first item which happens to be Files and Folders. Down arrow through this list and press the spacebar to make sure the following items are modified in the manner specified here: Show hidden files, folders, and drives -ON Hide empty drives in the Computer folder-OFF Hide extensions for known file types-OFF Hide protected operating system files-OFF D. After you have made these modifications tab to Apply and press enter. Tab
to Ok and press enter. Note: when you complete this entire tutorial make sure you repeat this process and return these settings back to their previous state.
4. After all hidden operating system files and folders are set to show via Folder options, you will now want to backup the original Windows Mail folder
contained within C:\Program files. The following is the exact path of the folder you should backup: "C:\Program Files\Windows Mail" Note: This is the Windows mail folder you will be modifying, which is why it
is important it is backed up in its pristine form. Note: For Windows7 64-bit users, make sure you do not accidentally open the c:\Program Files (X86) folder--you do not want to open this folder at all.
5. Making some modifications to the Windows7 registry is at the heart of this tutorial so it is important we create a backup of the registry. A. Press Windows key + letter R to launch the Run dialogue. Type the following and press enter: regedit B. When the Registry editor opens press the home key. C. Press Alt + letter F to open the file menu. Down arrow to Export.... and press enter. D. Give this registry backup a name such as "Before WMTweak." E. You can press the Tab key to navigate the remainder of this dialogue box.
When you come to the relevant option, make sure you are exporting "all" of the registry settings. Also be mindful of where the registry backup will be saved--it will most likely be the Documents folder. When you are confident you have made the correct configurations tab to Save and press enter. Wait a
few seconds for the process to complete. E. Press Alt + F4 to close the Registry editor.
6. At this point you should insure all extraneous applications and open windows are closed.
7. Press enter on the DropBox link below to download the following zipped file: Ryan's Windows Mail Tweak.zip. This zipped archive has a collection of
6 subfolders and a copy of this tutorial. Each of these subfolders contains a single registry file. These registry files are easily identifiable as they
have the .REG extension. Here is the download link for the zipped archive: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10556184/Ryan%27s%20Windows%20Mail%20Tweak.zip
8. The file you downloaded in the previous step is a zipped file so you must
extract the files to access them. While the zipped file is highlighted, press the Windows Context menu key or press Shift + F10 and down arrow and press enter on the Extract all... option. You will be presented with a prompt asking you where you want to unzip the files. Press enter to extract a copy of the zipped folder to your current location. You will want to place
the extracted folder in a location where the folder will be easily accessible such as your C:\ drive. Note: What I am referring to as the Windows Context menu key is also known as the Windows Applications key or Shift + F10. These various terms and different keyboard commands accomplish the same goal; they simulate a right click.
9. Within the main folder of the zipped archive you extracted in the previous step, look for the following folder: "Take Ownership Installation."
Inside this folder will be a single file: Take Ownership.reg. This registry file will allow an administrator to quickly take ownership of files for which access is normally denied by the Windows operating system. Press enter
on this .reg file. You should get the following prompt: "Registry editor dialogue Adding information can unintentionally change or delete values and cause components to stop working correctly. If you do not trust the source of this
information at C:\[path of registry file] do not add it to the registry. Are
you sure you want to continue? Yes button. To activate press space bar or Alt + Y."
You can tab to Yes and press enter. You should get the following confirmation message:
"Registry editor dialogue The keys and values contained in C:\[path of registry file] have been successfully added to the registry. Ok button"
Press enter on the Ok button to close this message.
10. Take a moment to verify that the "Take Ownership" registry file has been
installed properly and has been incorporated into your Windows context menu.
Do this by going to Windows Explorer and pressing the Windows context menu key or Shift + F10 on any file. Down arrow through the options and one of these choices should be: Take Ownership. Press escape to close the Windows context menu.
11. Once again open the Ryan's Windows Mail Tweak folder you downloaded from
DropBox. Within this parent folder Arrow down to the following subfolder and
press enter: WinMailEdit. Press enter on the single registry file: WinMailEdit.reg. You will get the same registry editor dialogue message in Step #9 above. Press enter on the Yes button. Press enter on the associated Ok button.
12. You must now remove some attributes of the winmail.exe file using the Run dialogue. The "Attrib" command below is used to display, set, or remove one or more of the four attributes (read-only, archive, system, and hidden) that can be assigned to files and directories. This command is typically used to remove read-only, hidden, and system attributes so a file can be moved or deleted or to set them so that it can't. For our purposes the command will prevent possible conflicts with Windows updates and will prevent unnecessarily running the system file check command: "sfc /scannow."
You will implement the disabling of attributes for the specific file of interest in the next step below. For now, select the next single line of text and copy it to your clipboard by using the Control + letter C keyboard command.
attrib -s -h "%ProgramFiles%\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe"
Launch the Run dialogue by pressing Windows key + letter R. If the Run dialogue does not present itself go to the start menu search box and type the following and press the enter key: run. Press Control + Letter V to paste the line of text you just copied into this run dialogue. Use your say line command to confirm that you definitely copied and pasted the correct line of text. Press the enter key to complete this procedure. Do not worry if after 10 seconds or so you do not get a confirmation message whatsoever or if your computer did not respond in any way. Simply press Alt + Tab if necessary to switch tasks and go to the next step.
13. Follow this path to open the correct Windows Mail folder. Please pay very close attention to every segment of this path.: C:\Program files\Windows Mail. Here it is again in slow motion: C:\ Program Files\ Windows Mail\ Note: Windows7 64-bit users, I remind you, make sure you completely ignore the following folder: Program Files (X86). Do not open this folder at all.
14. Down arrow to the following file: msoe.dll. Note: Screen readers do not always read files as one would like, so I will take this single opportunity to rewrite the name of the file in all caps to insure you focus on and highlight the correct file. The correct file to be modified is named: MSOE.dll. You can also press F2 on the file and read the name of the file character by character. Press the escape key to cancel the F2 rename command.
15. With the msoe.dll file selected, press your Windows context menu key (Shift + F10) and down arrow to "Take Ownership" and hit the enter key. You will not receive a confirmation message at all but be assured the process has definitely taken place. You have now taken ownership of MSOE.dll.
16. Follow instruction set A or B below for your specific 32-bit version or for 64-bit version of windows7 respectively.
(A) Instructions for Windows7 32-bit If you are using Windows7 32-bit go to the Ryan's Windows Mail Tweak folder you downloaded and open the following subfolder: "Windows Mail 32 bit version of msoe.dll." Press Control + letter C to copy the single file named: msoe.dll. Press Alt + Tab to return focus to the c:\Program files\Windows Mail folder and use Control + letter V to paste the file inside this folder. You will be presented with a prompt informing you that a
file with the same name already exists in this location. Tab once to the "Copy and Replace button" and press enter. You will not be presented with any other prompts so move on to the next step as you've already completed the most difficult part of this tutorial.
(B) Instructions for Windows7 64-bit If you are using Windows7 64-bit go to the Ryan's Windows Mail Tweak folder you downloaded and open the following subfolder: "Windows Mail 64 bit version of msoe.dll." Press Control + letter C to copy the single file named: msoe.dll. Press Alt + Tab to return focus to the c:\Program files\Windows Mail folder and use Control + letter V to paste the file inside this folder. You will be presented with a prompt informing you that a
file with the same name already exists in this location. Tab once to the "Copy and Replace button" and press enter. You will not be presented with any other prompts so go on to the next step because you have already completed the most difficult part of this tutorial.
17. Close the Windows Mail folder by pressing Alt + F4.
18. Go into the Ryan's Windows Mail Tweak parent folder and open the following subfolder: "Set WinMailDefault." Press enter on the single registry file: Set WinMailDefault.reg. You will get the same registry editor
confirmation message described in step #9 above. The yes button should be highlighted so press enter on it. Press enter on the accompanying Ok button.
`1Configuring Windows Mail to Open All .EML Files
To be on the safe side, you will want to manually associate all email files containing the .EML file extension to open with Windows Mail. After completing these steps below Windows Mail should behave just as if it were the default email client installed with Windows7. In other words, when you press enter on a file which has the .EML file extension, Windows mail will open this file rather than your previous email client.
`2To associate .EML files with Windows Mail: 1. Press the Windows key to go to the Start menu search box and type the following then press enter: default programs. 2. Tab four times or until you reach the following item and press the enter key: Set your default programs. 3. Tab twice or until you get to a list view of programs. Press the letter W
repeatedly or down arrow through this entire list until you find Windows Mail. Note: Please be very careful you do not select Windows Live Mail. 4. Tab to the following item and press enter: Choose defaults for this program. 5. Tab once or until you get to the Select all checkbox. Press spacebar on this checkbox to enable it. 6. Tab to the Save button and press enter. Tab to Ok and press enter. 7. close any remaining open windows by pressing Alt + F4.
`1Placing Windows Mail on the Start menu
Jump Lists are used extensively in Windows7. A Jump List is like a small recently opened files menu. If you press the Windows key and down arrow through your start menu and find you have a Windows Live Mail submenu, this is an example of a Jump List. You will want to unpin the WLM Jump List from the Start menu since you will no longer have any use for it. You will be replacing this with a Windows Mail Jump List which will give you quick access to many of your recently saved email messages. Keep in mind it won't open all previously read email messages, it will only open email messages you have saved to your hard drive.
`2To create a Windows Mail Jump List: 1. You will first need to unpin the Windows Live Mail Jump List from your Start menu. To accomplish this simply press the Windows key and down arrow until you find the Windows Live mail submenu. 2. Press your Windows context menu key and down arrow to the following item and press enter: Remove from this list. 3. After pressing the escape key a couple of times to close any unwanted windows, press the Windows key and down arrow through the entire Start menu to verify the Windows Live Mail submenu entry is not present. If you do not find it then you have successfully removed it. 4. We will now add a similar Windows Mail submenu Jump List to the Start menu. Find your way to the following folder: C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\ Note: For Windows7 64-bit users, make sure you do not mistakenly open the Program files (X86) folder. 4. In this Windows Mail folder locate the following file which will probably
be the last file in this folder: WinMail.exe. Review the file name and verify you have highlighted the correct file. 5. Press the Windows Context menu key (Or Shift + F10) and down arrow to the
following item and press enter: Pin to Start menu. 6. Press the Windows key and down arrow until you locate the following item:
Windows Mail submenu. If you find this item you have successfully completed this part of the tutorial. 7. Open this Windows Mail Jump List by using the right arrow key, and if you
down arrow you will most likely find a list of recently saved email messages. You can press enter on any of these messages to read them. Note: at times JAWS does not read Start menu submenus properly, so you may have to unload JAWS by pressing Insert + F4 then reload it again by pressing
your JAWS hotkey. 8. To place this Windows Mail Jump List at the top of the Start menu use your Screen reader's Drag and Drop command. Using JAWS you would highlight the Windows Mail submenu entry, press Control + Insert + Numpad slash (/), up arrow to a nice convenient location on the Start menu, and hit the JAWS Drag and Drop command once again. You should be given a confirmation message
that the process has completed successfully. Note: if you open the Windows Mail Jump List and attempt to open a saved email message which has recently been deleted, you will be presented with the following message:
"Problem with Shortcut The item X that this shortcut refers to has been changed or moved, so this shortcut will no longer work properly. Do you want to delete this shortcut? Yes No."
I simply hit letter N for No and essentially ignore this message as I already know I have deleted the message.
`1Creating a Windows Mail Shortcut on the Desktop
The final step in Part 1 of this tutorial is to create a shortcut and attach
a hotkey for the purpose of quickly launching Windows Mail
`2To create a Windows Mail Desktop shortcut: 1. Go to the run dialogue and type the following path then press enter: c:\program files\windows mail\ Note: you can simply copy and paste the path into the Run dialogue and press
enter. 2. Find the following file (it will probably be at the bottom of this folder): WinMail.exe. 3. Press the Windows Context menu key (or press Shift F10). Down arrow to the following item and press enter: Send to submenu. Down arrow to the following item and press enter: Desktop create shortcut. 4. Press Windows key + letter D to be taken to the Desktop. Press the letter
W until you find the Windows Mail shortcut you just created. Press Alt + the
enter key on this icon to open its Properties dialogue box. Tab twice or until you reach the edit field where you can type your desired hotkey. After
entering your desired hotkey tab once and down arrow to maximize. Tab to Apply and press enter. Tab through this dialogue once again to insure your settings are correct then press enter on Ok. 5. Test your hotkey. 6. You can rename the desktop shortcut by highlighting it and pressing F2. When you are finished typing a new name for your shortcut press enter. 7. In order to prevent the accidental launch of your previous email client, be sure you review the shortcut properties of your previous email application as well as its reference within the All Programs submenu and remove any attached hotkey. Desktop icons and entries in the All Programs menu are common locations used to configure hotkeys.
You have now completed the entire process of configuring Windows7 to begin using Windows mail. Enjoy your new incredibly stable, accessible, and responsive Email client!
`1Part 2: Creating Accounts - Accessibility - Gmail - Message Rules
Now that Windows Mail is properly installed on your computer the sections below will walk you through making a few more modifications. You will launch
Windows Mail for the first time and create your default email account. You will make some accessibility related configurations. You will configure Windows Mail to send and receive messages from your Google Gmail account. Finally, you will create message rules to help you manage your email.
`2To configure the default email account: 1. Press Windows key + letter D to go to the Desktop. 2. Press the letter W until you find Windows Mail. Press enter on this item.
Since this will be the first time running Windows Mail wait a few seconds for the new account wizard to launch. Note: using your screen reader's mouse cursor such as the JAWS cursor to read from top to bottom each of the following screens will be very useful in
determining the information requested of you. 3. When the new account wizard finally launches you will be presented with the following prompt: Display name. This is an edit field where you can type
in the name other people will see when you send them email messages. You can
type in your name such as John Doe as it is not necessary to type in your formal email address. After you have typed your name tab to Next and press enter. 4. On the second screen of this wizard you will be placed on an edit field where you must enter your full formal email address as given to you by your ISP (E.G.: RyanX@...). When you finish entering your name tab to Next and press enter. 5. On the third screen of this wizard you will be asked to set up your email
servers. Press Shift + Tab once to be placed on the Incoming Email Server Type combo box. This combo box will have two choices: POP3 or SMTP. Use the Up arrow or down arrow to make your selection. A POP3 account is primarily used if you want all your email downloaded from your ISP's servers to your computer in order to read and do as you wish. If you decide to use a POP3 account, once you download your email it will no longer exist on your ISP's servers. The second option is an IMap account which will also download your email to your computer, but it has the added advantage of keeping a copy of your email messages on your ISP's servers for viewing with a browser in the event you are away from home and would like to read your Gmail from a friend's house or from school. The following settings are used to create a POP3 email
account but IMap settings are very similar. When entering the information below press the tab key to move from edit field to edit field. As you will undoubtedly notice, the information entered in these edit fields is specific
to Charter email. The information you will need to enter for your account will of course vary. Note: If you are not sure of the required information you must enter in each
of these edit fields call your internet service provider's technical support
line or search for the information on your ISP's Technical Support webpage.
In the Incoming mail server edit field type the following: pop.charter.net
In the Outgoing Email Server Name edit field type the following: smtp.charter.net
Outgoing server requires authentication (checkbox not checked). Note: Leave this setting unchecked unless specifically instructed by your email provider to do otherwise.
Tab through all these settings once again to confirm they are correct. When you are finished tab to Next and press enter.
6. On this fourth screen you will be asked to enter your internet mail log on information., Your email user name (RyanX) will most likely be entered automatically so do not change it. Press tab and enter your password. Press tab again and hit the spacebar to check the following checkbox: Remember password. Tab to Next and press enter. 7. You have now come to the final screen in this new account wizard. This screen is essentially a screen congratulating you on having successfully entered all the information required to setup your default email account. You will be placed on a checked checkbox asking you if you would like your email downloaded after pressing enter on the Finish button. Leave this checkbox alone. Tab to the Finish button and press enter. Tab to the Close button and press enter. 8. Once the previous screen closes you will be placed in your Inbox. You will find you have a single email message welcoming you to Windows Mail. Press enter to read this message, and press escape to close it. 9. At this point you may find that your email is being downloaded, but if you do not then try pressing F5 or Control + letter M. these hotkeys will check for new email. After pressing this hotkey you may also be presented with a message requesting your ISP user name. Enter your full email address.
You will also be asked to enter your password so do so. Check the Remember my credentials checkbox. Tab to Ok and press enter. 10. If all is well you should hear the progress of your email as it is being
downloaded. If you are a JAWS user you can check the progress of the download by pressing Insert + the NumPad page down key. 11. If you do not receive any email as might be the case with a new email account, and if you want to test that your email account is configured properly, try sending yourself an email message. 12. If the email message you sent yourself cannot be sent or does not arrive
in your inbox within a minute or two it is time to do some troubleshooting!
`1Troubleshooting Your New Email Account
If you are having problems either sending or receiving email you might want to try the following suggestions.
`2To troubleshoot problems sending and receiving email: 1. Press alt + letter t to go to the Tools menu. Press the letter A to go to
the Internet Accounts dialogue box. 2. Press the Home key to go to the top of the list of accounts. Select the account marked as "default." 3. Press Alt + letter P or tab to the Properties button and press enter. 4. You will be placed in the properties dialogue box for your default account. There are five tabs beginning with General and ending with Advanced. The following are the settings I used for each of these five tabs.
These settings worked to correctly configure my charter email account, but the configurations you will need for your account will undoubtedly vary. Note: I placed the information requested of me between parentheses. Replace this information with your own.
General Tab Information: Type the name by which you would like to refer to these servers. For example: "Work" or "Windows Mail." (Optional but you can enter a unique name
such as "Ryan" to make identifying your account easier) User Information Name: (RyanX) Organization: (Blank) E-mail address: (RyanX@...) Reply address: (Blank) Include this account when receiving mail or synchronizing. (Check box checked) Note: when you finish making these changes tab to Apply and press enter. Press Control + Tab to move to the next tab which is the Servers Tab.
Servers Tab Info: My incoming mail server is a POP3 server. Incoming mail POP3: pop.charter.net Outgoing mail SMTP: smtp.charter.net E-mail username: (It may already be entered for you. If not type your name such as RyanX. If this doesn't work, after completing this entire process, try typing your full email address such as RyanX@...) Password: (enter email account password for your ISP) Remember password: (Checkbox checked) Log on using Secure Password Authentication: (not checked) My server requires authentication: (Not checked) Note: when you finish making these changes tab to Apply and press enter. Press Control + Tab to move to the next tab which is the Connection Tab.
Connection Tab info: Note: I made 0 modifications to this tab.
Security Tab Info: Note: I made 0 modifications to this tab.
Advanced Tab Info: Server Port Numbers Outgoing mail (SMTP): 25 This server requires a secure connection (SSL): (checkbox not checked) Incoming mail (POP3): (On your computer it will most likely be 110) This server requires a secure connection (SSL) (Checkbox not checked) Server Timeouts slider: (Set by default to 11%--1 minute) Break apart messages larger than 60 KB: (Checkbox not checked) Leave a copy of messages on server: (Checkbox not checked) Note: when you finish making these changes tab to Apply and press enter. Tab
to Ok and press enter.
5. After closing the previous Properties dialogue box for your default account you will be returned to the Internet Accounts Dialogue box. Simply tab to the Close button and press enter. 6. Try sending yourself an email message to test your configurations.
If you are still unable to configure your email client for sending and receiving email, you may have to call your ISP's Technical Support line. You
might also want to run a Google search if you need some of these configurations defined and or explained.
`1Adding an Additional Email Account
For those who need to create additional email accounts for family members and alike, complete the following procedure. Note: To fully understand this process of creating a new email account I suggest you use your screen reader's mouse cursor keys when in the Internet Account dialogue box. Reading the entire screen using the JAWS cursor and alike will lessen confusion and can help you successfully complete this process.
`2To add email accounts in Windows Mail: 1. From your Inbox press Alt + letter T to go to the Tools menu. 2. Press letter A to go to the Internet Accounts dialogue box. 3. Tab to the Add... button and press enter. 4. On the first screen of this wizard you will be placed on the What type of
account would you like to add combo box. Make sure Email Account is selected. Tab to the "Next" button and press enter. 5. On the second screen of this wizard you will be placed on an edit field. Type your name as you would like others to see it when your email arrives in
their Inbox. If there is text already in this edit field simply type over it. Tab to Next and press enter. 6. On the Third screen you will be expected to enter your full email address
such as RyanY@.... Tab to Next and press enter. 7. On the fourth screen you will be required to setup email servers. Enter the following information: Incoming Email server type: POP3 Incoming mail POP3 or IMAP server: POP.Charter.net Outgoing e-mail server SMTP name: SMTP.charter.net Outgoing server requires authentication: (Leave checkbox unchecked) Make sure you tab through these server settings once again to insure you correctly entered all required information. Tab to Next and press enter. 8. On the fifth screen you will be expected to provide a valid user name and
password. For example, RyanY as well as the password associated with this account. Tab to the Remember Password checkbox and check it. Tab to Next and
press enter. 9. On the sixth screen of this wizard you will be presented with a message congratulating you for successfully configuring your new email account. Tab to the Finish button and press enter. 10. Tab to the Close button and press enter. 11. Press F5 or press Control + letter M to check for new email. 12. Test your settings by sending yourself an email message.
`1Windows Mail Accessibility Configurations
For those of you who have used Outlook Express in the past, the following accessibility related modifications will be very familiar to you. You will make changes to the Layout within the View menu, and you will make many modifications within the Tools/Options multipage dialogue box.
`2To modify the Windows Mail Layout: 1. Press Alt + letter V to go to the View menu. 2. Press the letter L to go to Layout.... 3. The first item will be the Folder bar. Make sure this is not checked. If it is checked press the spacebar to uncheck this item. 4. Press the tab key to move through the next few items on this screen. The last item will probably be Show Preview Pane. Press spacebar to uncheck this
item. 5. Tab to Apply and press enter. Tab to Ok and press enter.
`2To complete View menu modifications: 1. Press Alt + letter V to open the View menu. 2. The first option is the Current View submenu. Press enter on this item. The default setting is Show all messages. I choose to hide my read messages,
so I down arrow once to the Hide read messages option and press enter. The menu will close and you will be placed back in your inbox. I hide all of my read messages because when new messages arrive in my inbox they are at times
mixed in with previously read messages. This makes it difficult for me to quickly read through my email. If you do not need nor like this setting simply repeat this process and select the Show all messages option. 3. Press the letter V to open the View menu once again. Down arrow to the Sort by submenu and press enter. These settings will help you configure how your messages are displayed. Press down arrow to move through the available settings. Press enter to check or uncheck any of these settings--the menu will then close. You will want to experiment with these items to find the settings that best meet your needs. The setting I suggest you seriously consider is Sort Ascending. This item will change the order of your messages
to place the oldest messages at the top of the list and the newest messages at the bottom of the list. In day to day use this insures you read messages in the order they arrived in your inbox
`1General Windows Mail Configurations
The following configurations will help you customize how your messages are sent, received, composed, etc.
`2To configure Windows Mail Options: 1. Press Alt + letter T for Tools then press letter O for Options. 2. You will be placed on the General Tab of this multi-page dialogue box. You are free to configure the following Windows Mail settings as you wish, but I have found the following specific settings provide me great ease of use and great screen reader accessibility. Note: press the spacebar to check and uncheck the settings below.
General tab settings: Notify me if there are any new newsgroups. (I unchecked this) Use newsgroup message rating features. (I unchecked this) Play sound when new messages arrive. (I checked this) Send and receive messages at startup. (I checked this) Check for new messages every: (I checked this. I pressed the tab key once and used up and down arrow to set to 10 minutes. If my computer is not connected at this time combo box: (I set to do not connect) Note: If you use your screen reader's mouse cursor key such as the JAWS cursor, and if you read the bottom of this general tab screen, you will find
the following information which confirms Windows Mail to be your default email client. "Default Messaging Programs This application is the default Mail handler. (Make default unavailable)." You can now tab to Apply and press enter. Press Control + Tab to move to the
Read tab.
Read tab settings: Mark message read after displaying for: (Important: uncheck this item) Automatically expand grouped messages. (Unchecked) Automatically download message when viewing in the Preview Pane. (unchecked) You can now tab to Apply and press enter. Press Control + Tab to move to the
Receipts tab.
Receipts tab settings: Note: I did not modify any of these settings. Press Control + Tab to move to
the Send tab.
Send tab settings: Most of the default Send tab settings are set just fine and do not require modification. The one change I suggest you seriously consider is the sending
and receiving of email messages in plain text rather than in HTML. To do so do the following: A. Press the tab key about six times or until you find the following setting: Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent. Press the spacebar to Uncheck this checkbox. B. Press the Tab key twice or until you find the first radio button. Press down arrow to select Plain text. C. Press the tab key about three times or until you find the next radio button. Press down arrow to select Plain text. D. Tab to Apply and press the spacebar. Press Control + Tab to move to the Compose tab. Note: after these plain text modifications are made you will still have the ability to activate a link by pressing enter on the link contained within the email message.
Compose tab settings: Note: I did not modify any of these settings. Press Control + Tab to move to
the Signature tab.
Signature tab settings: Note: I did not modify any of these settings. Press Control + Tab to move to
the Spelling tab.
Spelling tab settings: Always check spelling before sending. (Check this item) The original text in a reply or forward. (Check this) Internet Addresses. (Check this) You can now tab to Apply and press enter. Press Control + Tab to move to the
Security tab.
Security tab settings: Note: I did not modify any of these settings. Press Control + Tab to move to
the Connection tab.
Connection tab settings: Note: I did not modify any of these settings. Press Control + Tab to move to
the Advanced tab.
Advanced settings tab: There is only one item of significance here: Maintenance.... Press the tab key until you locate this item and press enter. This dialogue box can be used to configure many different email related maintenance tools. Press the tab key to move through these items and decide which settings are important to you. The following are two important settings: A. Empty messages from the 'Deleted Items' folder on exit. I often quickly read through my messages and press the delete key to delete messages I want to temporarily save in the deleted items folder. For messages I want to permanently delete, while the messages are highlighted, I simply press Shift
+ Delete key and they are gone for good. This process affords me a bit of insurance that I did not permanently delete a message that may prove to be useful in the near future. Ultimately I either move messages in the deleted items folder to other folders for permanent storage, or I select all the messages and permanently delete them by pressing Shift + Delete key as I have described above. If you have chosen to modify this setting simply tab to Close and press enter. Tab to Ok and press enter. B. Store folder.... Pressing enter on this item will show you where your email related folders are stored. Once this dialogue opens you need only tab
twice or until you come to an edit field that contains the path to your message stores. Note that in this dialogue box you can change the default location where your messages are stored. This is beneficial if you want your
messages to be stored on a different partition than the partition that holds
your operating system. Press Ok or escape to close this dialogue box. Press close or escape on the Maintenance dialogue box. Press Ok or escape on the Advanced tab dialogue box.
Congratulations! You have now completed making all of your Windows Mail accessibility Configurations! You should now find Windows Mail incredibly easy to use and almost completely indistinguishable from Outlook Express.
`1Configuring a Google Gmail Account
The following should help you configure Windows Mail to receive your Google Gmail. Note: The following instructions are based on the assumption that you have already configured a working Gmail account via the Google website.
`2To Launch the New Internet Account Wizard for configuring your Gmail account: 1. Close all applications. Launch Windows mail by using the Desktop icon or your Windows mail hotkey. 2. While in the Inbox press Alt + letter T to open the Tools menu then press
letter A to open the Internet Accounts dialogue box. 3. Tab to Add... and press enter. The Internet Connection wizard will launch. Note: using your screen reader's mouse cursor such as the JAWS cursor to read each of the following screens in their entirety will help you understand the information requested of you. 4. On the first screen of this wizard you will be asked: What type of account would you like to add? Use your up and down arrow keys to select Email (this will be the default option). Press the Tab key and press enter on Next. 5. The second screen of this wizard will present the following prompt: Display name. This is an edit field where you can type in the name other people will see when you send them email messages. You can type in your name
such as John Doe as it is not necessary to type in your complete email address. After you have completed entering your name tab to Next and press enter. 6. On the third screen you will be on an edit field where you must enter your full Gmail address (E.G.: RyanF@.... When you have finished tab to Next and press enter. 7. On the fourth screen you will be asked to set up your email servers. Press Shift + Tab once to be placed on the Incoming Email Server Type combo box. This combo box will have two choices: POP3 or SMTP. Use the Up arrow or
down arrow to make your selection. I will be configuring a POP3 account using the information immediately below.
The following settings are used to create a POP3 Gmail account but IMap settings are very similar. When entering the information below press the tab
key to move from edit field to edit field.
In the Incoming mail server edit field type the following: pop.gmail.com
In the Outgoing Email Server Name edit field type the following: smtp.gmail.com
Outgoing server requires authentication (Check this checkbox)
Tab through all these settings once again to confirm they are correct. When you are finished tab to Next and press enter.
8. On the fifth screen of this wizard you will be asked to enter your internet mail log on information. Your email user name (RyanF) will most likely be entered automatically. You can manually delete the information in this edit field, or you can simply type over it by entering your full Gmail address (E.G.: RyanX@...). It is very important you enter your full formal Gmail account email address. Press tab and enter your Gmail password.
Press tab again and hit the spacebar to check the following checkbox: Remember password. Tab to Next and press enter. 9. You have now come to the final screen in this new account wizard. This screen is essentially a screen congratulating you on having successfully entered all the information required to setup your new email account. Tab to
the Finish button and press enter. Tab to the Close button and press enter. 10. Once the previous screen closes you will be placed in your Inbox, but you are not finished configuring your Gmail account just yet. 11. Press Alt + letter T to open the Tools menu then press the letter A for Accounts. 12. Press the Home key to go to the top of the accounts list view. Down arrow through your accounts until you highlight the pop.gmail.com account. 13. Press Control + letter P or tab to the Properties button and press enter. 14. After the multi-page dialogue box opens press Control + Shift + Tab key once. You will be placed on the Advanced tab of this dialogue box. Make sure
to correctly enter the following Server Port Numbers in their respective edit fields:
Outgoing mail (SMTP): 465 This server requires a secure connection (SSL): (check this checkbox)
Incoming mail (POP3): 995 This server requires a secure connection (SSL): (check this checkbox)
15. Tab to the following setting and make sure it is not checked: Leave a copy of messages on server. Note: this setting is optional, but I choose to download my GMail only once. 16. These settings are very important so tab through this entire dialogue box twice to insure you have entered the information correctly. 17. When you have verified all settings have been configured properly, simply tab to Apply and press enter. Tab to the Close button and press enter. 18. Press F5 or Control + letter M to check for new email. If you do not receive any new email messages send a test message to your Gmail account to insure your Windows Mail settings have been configured properly. 19. If all is well you should hear the progress of your email as it is being
downloaded. If you are a JAWS user you can check the progress of the download by pressing Insert + the numpad page down key.
`1Creating Message Rules
Creating Message rules in windows Mail can help you sort messages into personal folders. This is beneficial if you belong to many list serves and would like your new downloaded messages automatically sorted into their respective list serve folders. The following tutorial will help you create a
personal Windows Mail folder as well as creating a message rule that will direct new email into this specific folder.
`2To create a new email folder: 1. While in the Inbox press the new folder hotkey: Control + shift + letter E. You can also press Alt + letter F to open the file menu. Press the enter key on New.... Down arrow and press enter on Folder.... Both of these procedures will take you to the Create folder dialogue box. 2. You will be placed on an edit field where you can type a name for the folder you will be creating. You can name your folder anything you like, but
you should try to limit the name of this folder to two or three words (E.G.:
W7Starter Messages). 3. After naming what will be your personalized email folder, press the Tab key once then press the Home key. You should here: "level 0, local folders open." Press up arrow if you have to manually find your way to this folder at level 0. This is a very important step so make sure you correctly complete this step. 4. Tab through this dialogue box once again to insure all is configured properly. 5. Tab to Ok and press enter. 6. You have now completed the process of creating a new email folder. 7. To verify that your folder has been created properly simply press Control
+ letter Y, press the Home key once, right arrow once, then down arrow through your list of folders or press the first few letters of your folder.
You will now create a message rule that will tell Windows Mail to redirect any new email messages from the W7Starters list to the W7Starter Messages folder.
`2To create a new message rule: 1. Press alt + letter T to open the Tools menu then down arrow and press enter on the Message rules submenu. 2. Press enter on Mail.... 3. The New Mail Rule dialogue box will appear. There will be four separate configurations to be made: 1. Select the Conditions for your rule, 2. Select
the Actions for your rule, 3. Rule Description, and 4. Name of the rule. 4. You must first specify conditions for your rule. You will be presented with a list view containing twelve possible conditions. Press down arrow to review your choices. These options can be checked and unchecked with a press
of the spacebar. You can also check more than one condition. It is very important to keep in mind that when it comes time to checking one of these options, JAWS will not give you any feedback as to whether an item has been checked or not. JAWS will only repeat the item. Nevertheless, be assured that in fact the selection has been made and you can tab to the next setting. For the purposes of this tutorial, down arrow and select the following condition: Where the Subject line contains specific words. Press the spacebar on this item, and you should hear the condition being repeated. 5. Tab once and you will be placed on the list view containing possible actions to be associated with your previous condition. Since you have already configured the message rule to take action based on the subject line
of an email message, you will now dictate what that action should be. For your purpose, you want to redirect new W7Starter list messages away from your Inbox and into the W7Starter Messages folder. All messages from the W7Starter's list have an identifying set of characters in their subject line
(W7Starter), so you will use this information to make your configurations. Press the spacebar to select the first option on this list: Move it to the specified folder. Press the tab key to go to the next step. 6. While in the Rule Description edit box press up arrow until you read the following line of text: Apply this rule after the message arrives. Down arrow to line #2 and press the Home key to be placed on the first character of this second line. Use your screen reader's Move to next word command only
once (JAWS command is Insert + NumPad right arrow). You will now have to bring the mouse cursor to your current location and execute a left click. If
you are a JAWS user press Insert + NumPad minus (-) key. Follow this up with
a single JAWS left click command which is NumPad slash (/) key. The following dialogue box will present itself: Type specific words or a phrase,
and click Add. Enter the following in this edit field: W7Starter. Tab to the
Add button and press the spacebar. Tab to Ok and press the spacebar. You will be returned to the rule description edit field. Review the second line of text once again to insure you read the following: Where the Subject line contains W7Starter. You will have to repeat a similar process for line #3. Down arrow to the following line: Move it to the specified folder. Once again, press the Home key. Move the cursor to the second word by using your screen reader's NextWord command. Press the JAWS cursor to PC cursor command
(Insert + NumPad minus key). Follow this up with a single left click command
which can be executed by pressing the NumPad slash (/) key. You will be placed on the Local folders tree view. Press right arrow to open this tree view then down arrow through your email folders until you locate the W7Starter Messages folder. Tab to Ok and press enter. You will be returned to the rule description edit field. Review the three lines in this edit field to insure all values are correct. Tab to the next item to name this rule. 7. Enter a name for your new Message rule. Tab to Ok and press enter. Tab to
Ok once again and press enter. 8. Now that you have completed the process of creating a message rule that will redirect messages from your Inbox to your desired folder, you need only
wait for new messages to arrive.
`2To delete a message rule: 1. Press Alt + letter T for Tools then press the letter R or down arrow to Message rules and press enter. Press enter on Mail.... 2. You will be placed on the list of message rules. Select a rule then press
the Delete key, or press Alt + letter R, or tab to Remove and press enter. You will be presented with a message asking you to confirm that you want to delete your message rule. Press enter on the Yes button. Tab to Ok and press
enter. Note: you must tab to Ok and press enter or your message rule will not be removed.
`1Indexing Your Windows Mail Messages
As a result of this tutorial, Windows Mail is now an integral part of Windows7, but Windows7 is clueless of this fact. This can put you at a significant disadvantage as you will not be able to run a search for email messages saved or created after windows Mail was revived. .Windows search Index to the rescue! The search index is a method used by Windows to track newly created files and subsequent changes made to these files. The Index includes many file types, but it can also be easily configured to index files and folders not indexed by default. The following tutorial will walk you through enlightening Windows7 about it's new email client and associated
files. After completing the following tutorial you will be able to use the Start menu search box to find any email message saved within your previous email client's message stores as well as your new Windows Mail message stores.
`2To add Windows Mail to the Search Index: 1. Press the Windows key to go to the Start menu search box and type the following and hit enter: indexing options. 2. Tab to Modify and press enter. Note: You may be presented with the following message:
"Either there is no default mail client or the current mail client cannot fulfill the messaging request. Please run Microsoft Office Outlook and set it as the default mail client. OK."
You can simply press escape to close this message. You will have to press Alt + Tab to return focus to the Indexing options dialogue box. 3. Press the tab key once or until you locate the following: Summary of selected locations basket list view. Press down arrow to locate the Windows Live Mail entry. 4. Press Shift + Tab key once. The location of the Windows Live Mail folder will be highlighted and presented in a hierarchical tree view format. You will also notice that this folder will have a checkbox associated with it. Leave this item checked and arrow down once or twice to select the Windows Mail entry. Press the spacebar to change the status of this Windows Mail folder to checked. 5. Tab to ok and press enter. If necessary, press tab to Ok and hit enter once again. 6. At this point the Windows search Index will begin indexing all of your Windows Mail email messages. Depending on the number of email messages you have accumulated, this may take a few seconds or much longer. 7. After the indexing of your messages has been completed, try running a search for a recent email message. Press the Windows key to go to the Start menu search box and type the following then press down arrow to review the results (you can also copy and paste this search syntax): kind:email date:yesterday As you down arrow through the search results you will be presented with a list of email messages from your Inbox, or from your W7Starters's folder, or
in any other folder containing saved email messages from the previous day. Press enter to read the message. Press escape to close the message. If you do not get any hits you may have to try variations on the "date" filter such as Today or lastweek.
After a little practice, you will discover using Windows Search will help you find email messages with speed and ease you've never experienced before.
`1Removing Take Ownership from the Windows Context menu
Now that Windows Mail has been successfully installed and configured, you can do some minor housecleaning. You installed a utility called Take Ownership, which allowed you to have complete access to a specific Windows system file. You will no longer have any need for this Take Ownership utility, so removing it from the Windows Context menu is in order.
`2To remove Take Ownership from the Windows Context menu: 1. Locate the Ryan's Windows Mail Tweak folder. 2. Open the following subfolder: Take ownership Removal. Press enter on the single registry file: Remove Take Ownership.reg. 3. When the registry editor message is presented press enter on the Yes button. Press enter on the Ok button. 4. Open a Windows Explorer window, open a folder, locate any file, and press
the Windows Context menu key. Press down arrow through all of the options to
make sure that the Take Ownership entry is no longer listed.
`1Closing Comments
As I've stated above, I've had absolutely zero problems with this process and Windows Mail in general--it simply works. Yet, there are a few things to
keep in mind...
1. Will I be able to use the Help files? You will not have access to any of the Windows Mail help files. In fact, there isn't much at all in the Help menu. This is far from a show stopper as
Windows Mail has been around for years now, so any question you may have can
be answered very quickly by running the most basic Google search. If you are
an experienced Outlook Express user, you will not have any need for the help
files. Judging from the types of messages I read on various list serves it doesn't appear too many people are fans of the F1 key or help menus in general anyways so this is in no way a hindrance.
2. Should I uninstall windows Live Mail? This is a personal decision, but if you want access to all your previously saved Windows Live Mail messages I suggest you do not uninstall it. If you have followed every step of this tutorial you will have incapacitated WLM to
the point that you will forget about it in a couple of weeks. In the event you have the need to review an older email message as might be the case with
a message relating to a purchase or an important personal email message, you
will want access to that document. By deleting or removing your message stores you will not have access to this information. Furthermore, by not uninstalling your previous email client you will not have to import the old messages into Windows Mail as you can readily access these email messages by
running a simple search as described above. As a small digression, after installing Windows Mail I was so overwhelmed with its great accessibility and stability that I instantly decided that WLM must go for good. This was a
huge mistake because I incorrectly believed that by deleting the accounts my
email stores would still remain. A few minutes after deleting all of my accounts I stopped to wonder why I was hearing so much hard drive and processor activity on my computer. I suddenly recalled the familiar sound I was hearing, it was the Windows index deleting entries. Awareness of what I had just done hit me like a ton of bricks--I had just accidentally deleted absolutely all of my email messages. Windows was now busily removing thousands of email message entries from its search index. Luckily I followed
every step of this tutorial and backed up my email messages!
3. Are there any weird quirks with this Windows Mail tweak? If you press your Windows Mail hotkey, and if you have not yet established a
connection to the internet, you may be presented with the following message:
"Windows Mail dialogue Windows Mail has stopped working. A problem has caused the program to stop working correctly. Please close the program. Close the program button."
This message is nothing to worry about. The solution is to first press enter
on the Close this program button. Launch your browser such as Internet Explorer. Confirm you are connected by running a Google search. If you are sure you are connected to the internet press your Windows Mail hotkey once again and your email client should open in it's normal fashion.
4. Will I still have to compact messages in windows Mail? Yes. Like Outlook Express before it and WLM after it, you will have to compact your email messages after opening your email client 100 times. You will get the following message:
"Windows Mail Windows Mail can compact the message store. This may take up to a few minutes. OK Cancel Get help from communities"
Press enter on Ok for the process to begin. The entire process may take a few seconds or a few minutes.
5. Anything else I should know? As I stated within the tutorial, do not forget to go back into the folder options and return the settings for hidden files and system files back to their defaults (off). See Step #3 above.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee & Rick" <deerick73@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:04 Subject: user friendly email account
Hello all, I'm working with JAWS 13, windows 7, 64 bit For years I've used outlook express with xp and loved it. However, from my understanding outlook express doesn't work or is no longer available with windows 7. AT&T is my internet server I'm looking for an email server that is jaws friendly. I've tried yahoo but can't get it too work right for me. (could be user error). I see where WLM is also used but that also seems cumbersome to me. So any ideas? Or am I just so use to outlook express that all others seem cumbersome? Before I get
too frustrated I'm looking for ideas of what email accounts to try that not only jaws likes but also AT&T, who seem to only want to use yahoo. I did find a tutorial for yahoo and jaws but when I follow the instructions nothing the guy says does what it is suppose to do. When replying please talk in simple terms! I admit I'm an idiot! Thanks Dee
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Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14
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I've never had a message where I couldn't just press shift + tab and get to the attachments list. This is in outlook 2007 with all different types of messages including html and rtf. I don't doubt that this might be different in 2003. I skipped from 2000 directly to 2007. Hope this helps.
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-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:59 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14 If all email messages were plain text, shift + Tab would always put you on the list of attachments; however, especially with HTML (and I think with RTF format too), the attachments are embedded in the message. The control + shift + o converts the message to plain text so that shift + tab works. That is how it works in 2003, and I'm not going from memory. I just tested it. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:15 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14 You shouldn't need to press anything except shift + tab. That should take you to the list of attachments. No other keystrokes needed. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:26 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14 OK. I'm obviously confused. In Outlook 2003, if, while in a message, I press control + shift + O, the message is converted to plain text, and the embedded messages are moved up to the attachment box. Then, one can press shift + tab to land on the attachments. From there, one can open the message attachments. That, I think, is what Ann is describing. I thought Ted was saying one can no longer do that in Outlook 2010. Actually, I'm due to get Outlook 2010 this weekend. So, I'll try all the keystrokes suggested here and then report. Speculation is fun, but actually testing in the actual program tends to produce more reliable results. <SMILE> I thought it was in one of the Hadley seminars that I heard Dave's method of pressing the App key in the message list no longer produces an applications menu with attachments displayed. Perhaps that referred to 2010 only and not to 2007 and 2010. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:12 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14 But if while in the message you shift-tab once, your cursor is on the attachment name. then just press enter to open it. At 03:50 PM 11/29/2012, you wrote: OK. I was told wrong. Perhaps it is just Outlook 2010 that has disabled the technique that, like you, I use almost daily.
-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:45 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14
Ed,
Beg to differ. This is exactly the way I've done it with Outlook 2007 with versions of JAWS all the way back to 11. I'm using Windows 7, if that helps to clear the discrepancy.
Pressing the Apps key (or Shift+F10) opens a context menu with "View Attachments submenu" as the choice with the hotkey "H".
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:20 Subject: RE: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14
Dave: Looking forward to your report. I agree that using the App key on the message list is a much better way to get to attachments in Outlook 2003. I'm told, however, that it is no longer possible to use this function in Outlook 2007 or 2010?
-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:44 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14
Adrian,
Yes, I recall that with my copy of Outlook 2007 it also requires that I right click (or Apps key) and select open to open attachments. I think this has been in place since JAWS 12, but not certain at this point. However you can also open the attachments from the message list:
Highlight the message with the attachment. Right click or Apps key. "H" for attachment. Press enter on the desired attachment from the context menu.
I find this a lot faster than opening the message first, when I don't need to see the message body text for context.
I will be reporting in another couple weeks on an ongoing experiment I'm running with JAWS, Windows 7 and Office 2007. Very interesting things happening -- or perhaps not happening any more.
Stay tuned.
Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit
----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:23 Subject: Outlook 2003 with JAWS 14
Hi. A friend whose law firm still uses Outlook 2003 installed JAWS 14 the other day and found that she could no longer open email attachments as easily as she had done before. Instead of just pressing enter to open one, she now has to right-click, then go to open and then press enter. Only two more steps, yes, but a nuisance when it's a task we perform dozens of times every day.
However, here's the reason I'm posting this message. She contacted FS Tech Support and was told that JAWS 14 does not support Outlook 2003.
If anyone has a different experience, I'd be curious. Otherwise, this is an FYI to any listers who, like me, still live in the pre-ribbon era.
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