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Re: Flexible Web

Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

I use gmail and I find flexible web to be very useful. You can set it so that it starts reading at the message I believe it was at "show original" that I set as the starting point. Also as time goes by I am filtering out more and more of those ad things globally.
I find it rather useful.
Tom Bisset

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: November 20, 2012 4:14 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Flexible Web

Just wondering if anyone has used Flexible Web in JAWS 14 with Webmail, in particular, Gmail?
Occasionally, I have to use the Gmail version, and one has to sift through so much stuff to get to the message, that Flexible Web seems like it might be useful. Over Thanksgiving, I'm really gong to try to put Flexible Web to use. Gmail and Dictionary.com are my first targets.
Any tips would be appreciated.


I. Edward Marquette
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Re: pronunciation

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Even the reading mode (sentence, line, paragraph) can interact here.
One receives a wound in battle, but I wound my clock yesterday; the wind
blows, but I'll wind my clock again today. I'll bet a nickel at least
one of you had trouble with that last sentence.

Ted

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Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:12 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: pronunciation

Adrian,

I was just wondering if you were still engaged. Exactly a very good
example.
And there are times when r-e-a-d will read fine if read in a sentence
-- oops...that time it didn't read properly, or did I read it wrong?
Yes, I did. While typing, it said red but when reading in context it
said reed.
When moving from word to word it reads red but with the word "it"
leading, it reads reed.

Now my brane (or is it brain, or brayne or brane) hurts!!!

Definitely there are contextually-controlled pronunciations involved.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 21:05
Subject: RE: pronunciation


Try the word "read," r e a d, as in:

She had read the article.
She will read the article.

But I doubt this phenomenon, which is surely determined by an algorithm,
explains the disparities in this thread. I'm guessing something in the
specific application controls pronunciation.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 11:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: pronunciation

John,

Yes, I've noticed that, as well. Can't give a specific example now, but
definitely some words pronounce differently when they are preceded by
certain other words or word endings.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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From: "john.falter" <john.falter@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 19:15
Subject: Re: pronunciation


I find that punctuation before or after a word can sometimes change its
pronunciation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Holdeman" <sholdeman@msn.com>
To: "jfw list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: pronunciation


Listers: Using jaws 14, IE9. Bible Gateway.com provided a very poor
attempt at pronouncing the name, Nathaniel. Using dictionary manager I
improved on it, but was still dissatisfied. I composed a message to
this
list asking for suggestions for better phonetics and discovered in
this
message Nathaniel is pronounced perfectly. How can this be? I have
checked
both default and WLM dictionary manager and can come up with no
explanation.

Thanks for any help. Stan, the puzzled one.
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Re: Flexible Web

Tom Lange
 

Hi Ed,
You wrote:


Just wondering if anyone has used Flexible Web in JAWS 14 with Webmail, in particular, Gmail?
No I haven't, but if it's as good as FS says it is, then it may be worth checking out.

Occasionally, I have to use the Gmail version, and one has to sift through so much stuff to get to the message, that Flexible Web seems like it might be useful. Over Thanksgiving, I'm really gong to try to put Flexible Web to use. Gmail and Dictionary.com are my first targets.

I'm assuming that you're using GMail in Basic HTML mode. Yours is a common complaint: you have to plow through so much stuff to get to the content of an open message. However, the simple truth is that you don't. Message content follows the last heading on the page. Following that last heading is a group of links, then you're right into the meat of the message. So I tell my students to open a message, immediately shut speech up, do a ctrl+home to get to the top of the page, press shift+h, then n to locate nonlink text. From that point you can read by whatever unit you choose, or just start say-all and let her rip..

Works everry time. Oh, and for those who use Yahoo and have experienced similar issues, the good news is that, at least for now, Yahoo uses landmarks so you can open a message and go to the main landmark and start reading.

Hope this helps.

Tom


Flexible Web

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Just wondering if anyone has used Flexible Web in JAWS 14 with Webmail, in particular, Gmail?
Occasionally, I have to use the Gmail version, and one has to sift through so much stuff to get to the message, that Flexible Web seems like it might be useful. Over Thanksgiving, I'm really gong to try to put Flexible Web to use. Gmail and Dictionary.com are my first targets.
Any tips would be appreciated.


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
1010 Grand Boulevard
Suite 500
Kansas City, MO 64106
ed.marquette@kutakrock.com




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AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE.

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Re: paragraph marks and space markers:

Dave...
 

Dani,

Had no idea. Thanks for the tip!

Dave Carlson
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 21:49
Subject: RE: paragraph marks and space markers:


Hi, Kenny.
Control+shift+8 toggles spaces and paragraph marks on and off. Refresh your
screen after you do the key combo.
HTH,
Dani

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyatt
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:24 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: paragraph marks and space markers:

Hi When I navigate documents in word 2007 using jaws 14 I keep hearing
paragraph marks and when I use the right to navigate by character I hear
space marker. How do I get word 2007 to stop displaying these formatting
characters?
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Re: paragraph marks and space markers:

Dani Pagador
 

Hi, Kenny.
Control+shift+8 toggles spaces and paragraph marks on and off. Refresh your
screen after you do the key combo.
HTH,
Dani

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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:24 PM
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Subject: paragraph marks and space markers:

Hi When I navigate documents in word 2007 using jaws 14 I keep hearing
paragraph marks and when I use the right to navigate by character I hear
space marker. How do I get word 2007 to stop displaying these formatting
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paragraph marks and space markers:

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

Hi When I navigate documents in word 2007 using jaws 14 I keep hearing
paragraph marks and when I use the right to navigate by character I hear
space marker. How do I get word 2007 to stop displaying these formatting
characters?
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Re: pronunciation

Bill Spiry
 

You can add the words including the modifying punctuation into the jaws
dictionary to address this.

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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 8:02 PM
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Subject: Re: pronunciation

John,

Yes, I've noticed that, as well. Can't give a specific example now, but
definitely some words pronounce differently when they are preceded by
certain other words or word endings.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 19:15
Subject: Re: pronunciation


I find that punctuation before or after a word can sometimes change its
pronunciation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Holdeman" <sholdeman@msn.com>
To: "jfw list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: pronunciation


Listers: Using jaws 14, IE9. Bible Gateway.com provided a very poor
attempt at pronouncing the name, Nathaniel. Using dictionary manager I
improved on it, but was still dissatisfied. I composed a message to this
list asking for suggestions for better phonetics and discovered in this
message Nathaniel is pronounced perfectly. How can this be? I have checked
both default and WLM dictionary manager and can come up with no
explanation.

Thanks for any help. Stan, the puzzled one.
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Re: pronunciation

Dave...
 

Adrian,

I was just wondering if you were still engaged. Exactly a very good example.
And there are times when r-e-a-d will read fine if read in a sentence --
oops...that time it didn't read properly, or did I read it wrong? Yes, I
did. While typing, it said red but when reading in context it said reed.
When moving from word to word it reads red but with the word "it" leading,
it reads reed.

Now my brane (or is it brain, or brayne or brane) hurts!!!

Definitely there are contextually-controlled pronunciations involved.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 21:05
Subject: RE: pronunciation


Try the word "read," r e a d, as in:

She had read the article.
She will read the article.

But I doubt this phenomenon, which is surely determined by an algorithm,
explains the disparities in this thread. I'm guessing something in the
specific application controls pronunciation.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 11:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: pronunciation

John,

Yes, I've noticed that, as well. Can't give a specific example now, but
definitely some words pronounce differently when they are preceded by
certain other words or word endings.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "john.falter" <john.falter@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 19:15
Subject: Re: pronunciation


I find that punctuation before or after a word can sometimes change its
pronunciation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Holdeman" <sholdeman@msn.com>
To: "jfw list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: pronunciation


Listers: Using jaws 14, IE9. Bible Gateway.com provided a very poor
attempt at pronouncing the name, Nathaniel. Using dictionary manager I
improved on it, but was still dissatisfied. I composed a message to this
list asking for suggestions for better phonetics and discovered in this
message Nathaniel is pronounced perfectly. How can this be? I have checked
both default and WLM dictionary manager and can come up with no
explanation.

Thanks for any help. Stan, the puzzled one.
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Re: pronunciation

Adrian Spratt
 

Try the word "read," r e a d, as in:

She had read the article.
She will read the article.

But I doubt this phenomenon, which is surely determined by an algorithm,
explains the disparities in this thread. I'm guessing something in the
specific application controls pronunciation.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 11:02 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: pronunciation

John,

Yes, I've noticed that, as well. Can't give a specific example now, but
definitely some words pronounce differently when they are preceded by
certain other words or word endings.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "john.falter" <john.falter@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 19:15
Subject: Re: pronunciation


I find that punctuation before or after a word can sometimes change its
pronunciation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Holdeman" <sholdeman@msn.com>
To: "jfw list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: pronunciation


Listers: Using jaws 14, IE9. Bible Gateway.com provided a very poor
attempt at pronouncing the name, Nathaniel. Using dictionary manager I
improved on it, but was still dissatisfied. I composed a message to this
list asking for suggestions for better phonetics and discovered in this
message Nathaniel is pronounced perfectly. How can this be? I have checked
both default and WLM dictionary manager and can come up with no
explanation.

Thanks for any help. Stan, the puzzled one.
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Re: pronunciation

Dave...
 

John,

Yes, I've noticed that, as well. Can't give a specific example now, but
definitely some words pronounce differently when they are preceded by
certain other words or word endings.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "john.falter" <john.falter@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 19:15
Subject: Re: pronunciation


I find that punctuation before or after a word can sometimes change its
pronunciation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Holdeman" <sholdeman@msn.com>
To: "jfw list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: pronunciation


Listers: Using jaws 14, IE9. Bible Gateway.com provided a very poor
attempt at pronouncing the name, Nathaniel. Using dictionary manager I
improved on it, but was still dissatisfied. I composed a message to this
list asking for suggestions for better phonetics and discovered in this
message Nathaniel is pronounced perfectly. How can this be? I have checked
both default and WLM dictionary manager and can come up with no
explanation.

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Re: pronunciation

john.falter
 

I find that punctuation before or after a word can sometimes change its pronunciation.

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From: "Stan Holdeman" <sholdeman@msn.com>
To: "jfw list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: pronunciation


Listers: Using jaws 14, IE9. Bible Gateway.com provided a very poor attempt at pronouncing the name, Nathaniel. Using dictionary manager I improved on it, but was still dissatisfied. I composed a message to this list asking for suggestions for better phonetics and discovered in this message Nathaniel is pronounced perfectly. How can this be? I have checked both default and WLM dictionary manager and can come up with no explanation.

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Re: JAWS tutorials on social media apps

john.falter
 

You can look at
hj.com/elearn
to find a webinar on facebook.
It's done in html.

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 11:24 PM
Subject: JAWS tutorials on social media apps


Hi all,
I was just told that there are tutorials at the freedom scientific site for social apps such as twitter. I have been looking, but all I am really seeing are podcasts from CSUN and the like. Are there any documents on how to use various social media apps with JAWS? If so, can you tell me how to find them? Or, alternatively, any trainings not on the Freedom Scientific site?

Thanks so much for any help,

TerriLynne

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Re: Outlook 2010 question.

Shawn Keen <shawn.keen@...>
 

Wow, I am thinking it won't work. But worth a try just the same.

In other words, what's the worst thing that could happen. Smile

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tusing
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:52 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Outlook 2010 question.

Hi, all,
First thanks for all the great Windows 8 messages; m saving them.

When one goes to a new operating system, one often has to get a new Outlook
version like latest and greatest.

So in Outlook 2010, I know how to rename the outlook.pst folder to
Outlook1.pst and make it "default" etc.

But my question is as follows.

Can one copy and paste Outlook1.pst from an "earlier" Outlook version into
Outlook 22010 by Deleting Outlook1.pst in 2010 and pasting in the folder by
the same name from the earlier Outlook version to keep computers identical
in terms of e-mail messages?

If you are wondering the "why",...often people have different computers at
different locations. Simple importing can create maddening duplicate
messages. One wants both computers laptop et al to have identical info.

Many thanks.


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Outlook 2010 question.

Tusing <ptusing@...>
 

Hi, all,
First thanks for all the great Windows 8 messages; m saving them.

When one goes to a new operating system, one often has to get a new
Outlook version like latest and greatest.

So in Outlook 2010, I know how to rename the outlook.pst folder to
Outlook1.pst and make it "default" etc.

But my question is as follows.

Can one copy and paste Outlook1.pst from an "earlier" Outlook version into
Outlook 22010 by
Deleting
Outlook1.pst in 2010 and pasting in the folder by the same name from the
earlier Outlook version to keep computers identical in terms of e-mail
messages?

If you are wondering the "why",...often people have different computers at
different locations. Simple importing can create maddening duplicate
messages. One wants both computers laptop et al to have identical info.

Many thanks.


Re: Windows 8 help

Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@...>
 

Thanks man! Much appreciated!

Russell

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On 2012-11-19, at 4:48 PM, "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com> wrote:

$995, and they are flying off the shelves. Best Buy was out-of stock and back-ordered all over both Southern California and the Midwest.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 5:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8 help

Do you mind if I ask you how much you paid for your Lenovo Yoga?

Thanks,

Russell

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-11-19, at 4:04 PM, "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com> wrote:

This isn't as bad as it sounds. The App Version or Modern Version or Metro Version (Microsoft has a naming problem) is a little like having an iPhone built right into your operating system.
Some of the Apps are really cool, and actually, Narrator, in Windows 8, is remarkably good. For those with iPhones, it is about like IOS VoiceOver was in the first version (with the iPhone 3GS).
JAWS, at present, doesn't support gestures, but Narrator does.
I know this will sound crazy, but I find myself swiping and double tapping the screen fairly often -- as an alternative to using the keyboard.
The above may sound a little crazy because I have a kind of crazy, but really, really cool, new UltraBook -- a Lenovo Yoga. It is fully solid state, meaning there is no disk drive. It boots in seconds rather than minutes, and the screen is a touch screen. In fact, it folds 360 degrees, converting the laptop style setup into a tablet.
It and Windows 8 really take a little patience to get the hang of them, but I think I'm getting there.
I do wish Freedom Scientific would get on the gesture band wagon. More later.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 4:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8 help

Oh, boy! What is an app version???
At 03:37 PM 11/19/2012, you wrote:
Hi Thomas,
In windows 8, there are two versions of internet explorer 10: a new
app version, and traditional desktop version, which is very similar
to internet explorer 9.
By default it's set up so that if you open internet explorer from
the start screen, then you open the app version.
It seems that there's normally a button on the taskbar for opening
the traditional version, in which you can open the view downloads
dialog. If you press windows key + t to cycle round the taskbar
buttons you should find it. Once you know its position on the
taskbar you can open it using windows key + n, where n is the
position of the button.

If you want to create a shortcut for the traditional internet
explorer on the desktop, then you could:
1. Open file explorer (windows key + e)
2. press alt + d to select the address bar.
3. type in shell:programfiles (note there are no spaces anywhere in this).
4. select the internet explorer folder, and open it.
5. select iexplore.exe (assuming extensions aren't hidden).
6. open its context menu, open send to sub menu, and choose Desktop
(create shortcut).
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Re: Windows 8 help

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

$995, and they are flying off the shelves. Best Buy was out-of stock and back-ordered all over both Southern California and the Midwest.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 5:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8 help

Do you mind if I ask you how much you paid for your Lenovo Yoga?

Thanks,

Russell

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-11-19, at 4:04 PM, "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com> wrote:

This isn't as bad as it sounds. The App Version or Modern Version or Metro Version (Microsoft has a naming problem) is a little like having an iPhone built right into your operating system.
Some of the Apps are really cool, and actually, Narrator, in Windows 8, is remarkably good. For those with iPhones, it is about like IOS VoiceOver was in the first version (with the iPhone 3GS).
JAWS, at present, doesn't support gestures, but Narrator does.
I know this will sound crazy, but I find myself swiping and double tapping the screen fairly often -- as an alternative to using the keyboard.
The above may sound a little crazy because I have a kind of crazy, but really, really cool, new UltraBook -- a Lenovo Yoga. It is fully solid state, meaning there is no disk drive. It boots in seconds rather than minutes, and the screen is a touch screen. In fact, it folds 360 degrees, converting the laptop style setup into a tablet.
It and Windows 8 really take a little patience to get the hang of them, but I think I'm getting there.
I do wish Freedom Scientific would get on the gesture band wagon. More later.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 4:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8 help

Oh, boy! What is an app version???
At 03:37 PM 11/19/2012, you wrote:
Hi Thomas,
In windows 8, there are two versions of internet explorer 10: a new
app version, and traditional desktop version, which is very similar
to internet explorer 9.
By default it's set up so that if you open internet explorer from
the start screen, then you open the app version.
It seems that there's normally a button on the taskbar for opening
the traditional version, in which you can open the view downloads
dialog. If you press windows key + t to cycle round the taskbar
buttons you should find it. Once you know its position on the
taskbar you can open it using windows key + n, where n is the
position of the button.

If you want to create a shortcut for the traditional internet
explorer on the desktop, then you could:
1. Open file explorer (windows key + e)
2. press alt + d to select the address bar.
3. type in shell:programfiles (note there are no spaces anywhere in this).
4. select the internet explorer folder, and open it.
5. select iexplore.exe (assuming extensions aren't hidden).
6. open its context menu, open send to sub menu, and choose Desktop
(create shortcut).
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Re: Windows 8 help

Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@...>
 

Do you mind if I ask you how much you paid for your Lenovo Yoga?

Thanks,

Russell

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-11-19, at 4:04 PM, "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com> wrote:

This isn't as bad as it sounds. The App Version or Modern Version or Metro Version (Microsoft has a naming problem) is a little like having an iPhone built right into your operating system.
Some of the Apps are really cool, and actually, Narrator, in Windows 8, is remarkably good. For those with iPhones, it is about like IOS VoiceOver was in the first version (with the iPhone 3GS).
JAWS, at present, doesn't support gestures, but Narrator does.
I know this will sound crazy, but I find myself swiping and double tapping the screen fairly often -- as an alternative to using the keyboard.
The above may sound a little crazy because I have a kind of crazy, but really, really cool, new UltraBook -- a Lenovo Yoga. It is fully solid state, meaning there is no disk drive. It boots in seconds rather than minutes, and the screen is a touch screen. In fact, it folds 360 degrees, converting the laptop style setup into a tablet.
It and Windows 8 really take a little patience to get the hang of them, but I think I'm getting there.
I do wish Freedom Scientific would get on the gesture band wagon. More later.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 4:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8 help

Oh, boy! What is an app version???
At 03:37 PM 11/19/2012, you wrote:
Hi Thomas,
In windows 8, there are two versions of internet explorer 10: a new
app version, and traditional desktop version, which is very similar
to internet explorer 9.
By default it's set up so that if you open internet explorer from
the start screen, then you open the app version.
It seems that there's normally a button on the taskbar for opening
the traditional version, in which you can open the view downloads
dialog. If you press windows key + t to cycle round the taskbar
buttons you should find it. Once you know its position on the
taskbar you can open it using windows key + n, where n is the
position of the button.

If you want to create a shortcut for the traditional internet
explorer on the desktop, then you could:
1. Open file explorer (windows key + e)
2. press alt + d to select the address bar.
3. type in shell:programfiles (note there are no spaces anywhere in this).
4. select the internet explorer folder, and open it.
5. select iexplore.exe (assuming extensions aren't hidden).
6. open its context menu, open send to sub menu, and choose Desktop
(create shortcut).


Re: Windows 8 help

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

This isn't as bad as it sounds. The App Version or Modern Version or Metro Version (Microsoft has a naming problem) is a little like having an iPhone built right into your operating system.
Some of the Apps are really cool, and actually, Narrator, in Windows 8, is remarkably good. For those with iPhones, it is about like IOS VoiceOver was in the first version (with the iPhone 3GS).
JAWS, at present, doesn't support gestures, but Narrator does.
I know this will sound crazy, but I find myself swiping and double tapping the screen fairly often -- as an alternative to using the keyboard.
The above may sound a little crazy because I have a kind of crazy, but really, really cool, new UltraBook -- a Lenovo Yoga. It is fully solid state, meaning there is no disk drive. It boots in seconds rather than minutes, and the screen is a touch screen. In fact, it folds 360 degrees, converting the laptop style setup into a tablet.
It and Windows 8 really take a little patience to get the hang of them, but I think I'm getting there.
I do wish Freedom Scientific would get on the gesture band wagon. More later.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 4:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 8 help

Oh, boy! What is an app version???
At 03:37 PM 11/19/2012, you wrote:
Hi Thomas,
In windows 8, there are two versions of internet explorer 10: a new
app version, and traditional desktop version, which is very similar
to internet explorer 9.
By default it's set up so that if you open internet explorer from
the start screen, then you open the app version.
It seems that there's normally a button on the taskbar for opening
the traditional version, in which you can open the view downloads
dialog. If you press windows key + t to cycle round the taskbar
buttons you should find it. Once you know its position on the
taskbar you can open it using windows key + n, where n is the
position of the button.

If you want to create a shortcut for the traditional internet
explorer on the desktop, then you could:
1. Open file explorer (windows key + e)
2. press alt + d to select the address bar.
3. type in shell:programfiles (note there are no spaces anywhere in this).
4. select the internet explorer folder, and open it.
5. select iexplore.exe (assuming extensions aren't hidden).
6. open its context menu, open send to sub menu, and choose Desktop
(create shortcut).
7. Press windows key+d to move to the desktop, and rename the
shortcut if you want to.

Note that you can in fact add a shortcut to the traditional internet
explorer to the start screen, so that you can then press the windows
key and type in a name, just like any other program. If you want to do this:
1. Select the shortcut on the desktop that you've created above.
2. Rename it to something other than internet explorer, for example
donald duck (if you name it internet explorer then you've have two
items on the start screen with the same name).
3. open its context menu, and choose pin to start screen.
Then you can press windows key, type in donald duck (or whatever),
and the traditional verison of internet explorer might open, if you're lucky.

David.

original message:
yes

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces at lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Bailes
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:08 AM
To: jfw
Subject: Re: Windows 8 help

Hi Thomas,
do you mean the view downloads dialog in internet explorer in windows 8?

David.


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Re: Windows 8 help

 

Hi,
Think of app version as a webpage that behaves like a program. A good example of how it is done (and how JAWS interacts with it) is desktop Facebook website. In the middle of the page, you see some buttons that, when clicked opens a menu of some sort, or causes some portions of the page to change without refreshing the page.
These "app version" apps are called "modern apps," formerly called "metro-style apps" during Windows 8 development. As for visual representation of these apps versus desktop apps, let's discuss it on the Blind Windows 8 list, as the topic is more general. But as far as JAWS and IE 10 is concerned, I personally recommend using desktop version of IE 10 (other Modern apps such as Weather and News works perfectly well with JAWS).
Also, a reminder: if you're upgrading from Windows 7 or earlier and if you're using JAWS 13 or earlier, you need to remove JAWS 13 and all of its components before upgrading, otherwise the video intercept driver can cause conflicts or you may not be able to access Modern apps properly. To use Windows 8, you need JAWS 14 or later. Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Date sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:53:05 -0600
Subject: Re: Windows 8 help

Oh, boy! What is an app version???
At 03:37 PM 11/19/2012, you wrote:
Hi Thomas,
In windows 8, there are two versions of internet explorer 10: a new
app version, and traditional desktop version, which is very similar
to internet explorer 9.
By default it's set up so that if you open internet explorer from
the start screen, then you open the app version.
It seems that there's normally a button on the taskbar for opening
the traditional version, in which you can open the view downloads
dialog. If you press windows key + t to cycle round the taskbar
buttons you should find it. Once you know its position on the
taskbar you can open it using windows key + n, where n is the
position of the button.

If you want to create a shortcut for the traditional internet
explorer on the desktop, then you could:
1. Open file explorer (windows key + e)
2. press alt + d to select the address bar.
3. type in shell:programfiles (note there are no spaces anywhere in this).
4. select the internet explorer folder, and open it.
5. select iexplore.exe (assuming extensions aren't hidden).
6. open its context menu, open send to sub menu, and choose Desktop
(create shortcut).
7. Press windows key+d to move to the desktop, and rename the
shortcut if you want to.

Note that you can in fact add a shortcut to the traditional internet
explorer to the start screen, so that you can then press the windows
key and type in a name, just like any other program. If you want to do this:
1. Select the shortcut on the desktop that you've created above.
2. Rename it to something other than internet explorer, for example
donald duck (if you name it internet explorer then you've have two
items on the start screen with the same name).
3. open its context menu, and choose pin to start screen.
Then you can press windows key, type in donald duck (or whatever),
and the traditional verison of internet explorer might open, if you're lucky.

David.

original message:
yes

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces at lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Bailes
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:08 AM
To: jfw
Subject: Re: Windows 8 help

Hi Thomas,
do you mean the view downloads dialog in internet explorer in windows 8?

David.


original message:
How do you get to the download center in windows 8 using JFW14?

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