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Re: serial number

Richard Holloway
 

We only bought about seven years ago, Started with version 9.

Serial number with that buy was six digits, 43x,xxx.

Most companies with most long-lived serialized products make various changes along the way to the numbering schemes. It is really hard with a handful of developers and a few cases of your product ready to tell what you'll need to do with the serial numbers 20 years down the road... Security issues and needs change and so forth. The concept of a site license may have never come up yet, etc.

Sometimes batches are run numerically out-of sequence. Sometimes huge chunks of numbers are skipped over. Sometimes multiple sets of numbers are run in separate sequence groups (to break apart consumers, from educators, from government. Sometimes a single number may be a site license for dozens, hundreds, or even more users. Companies don't announce this.

The numbers are interesting, and surely a number likes James's must go way back to a simpler time for FS, I wouldn't be at all surprised if James bought the 11xxth copy sold. I would be very surprised if I bought the 43x,000th copy.

Cheers.

On Oct 9, 2012, at 3:30 PM, George Marshall wrote:

James mine is 11xx.

George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@gmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 1:18 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: serial number

Sounds like I've got most of you beat if we're going by serial numbers. I
started running both JAWS for DOS and JAWS for Windows, back in the JFW 2.0
and Windows 3.1 days. My serial number's 59xx (yes, it's only 4 digits).

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Abby Vincent
Sent: October 8, 2012 11:58 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: serial number

I started with JAWS for DOS. My number starts with 83 and has remained the
same, even with the transition to JAWS for Windows. It doesn't look like
the theory that the lower your serial number, the earlier you started using
JAWS is true. I also remember when you had to have an external speech
synthesizer to use JAWS, or any other screen reader. Now, thank goodness,
you can use your sound card.
Enjoy Indigenous Peoples' Day,
Abby

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of john.falter
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 8:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: serial number

I don't think you can go that way. I got JAWS in '96 and my number is about
7400.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Hi,
I believe I started with JAWS in 1993 and my sn is 49XX.
I think I started with version 3.something.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

No, I started using jaws during the transition period between jfw8 and 9.
I
have had several SMAs in the meantime as well as purchasing the remote
access option, but my SN has not changed.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Good idea. Mine is 35xxx and I purchased back in version 3.5. However
it may

be that a new purchase serial number maintains the first digits as
the version in force at the time. My 35xxx aligns with version 3.5.
Was your first version 4.2?

IF this is the scheme, then FS allowed for up to 1000 new users per
version,

and might change the serial prefix with each new version. We'd have
to collect a fair number of serial numbers to be sure of this.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 15:02
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


Well, we could make a guess by serial numbers.

My jaws serial number is about 427400 and I purchased jaws in late
2007 if memory serves.

I am pretty sure FS does in fact use incremental SN, not some odd
pattern with lots of holes. If we had someone who is a very recent
purchaser we could get an idea about both the overall population as
well as how fast it is growing.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Nope, and no idea.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@telusplanet.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 14:45
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


I wonder if FS would release the number of licences or users they
have sold. Do we know how many Jaws users there are?

On 10/2/2012 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people use
JAWS.
There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US classified as
legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less than 10% use
computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority of blind
people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS users is
probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind people are
unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring
computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of
JAWS users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related
mailing lists, so they would have no way of learning about the
petition. FS keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded
secret, so nobody really knows how many blind people are actually
using it. But if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the
number of JAWS users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000,
but this is only a wild guess not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so,
I have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number
of JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition
has information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS.
Does anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be
a reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for
suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line. Although
this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of off-topic
discussions
again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when it
comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are some
less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be on
the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would
anyone on the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition
that is better and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and
elsewhere even though, in some instances, the interests were not
always
congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually
started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before
Christmas. <SMILE> Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
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Re: Where is the Open Book List?

David Maynard <dmaynard35@...>
 

Been there, done that, no joy

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Hudson
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where is the Open Book List?

Tri and and look in your spam.

On 10/12/12, David Maynard <dmaynard35@morrisbb.net> wrote:
Hi;

Does anyone know what has happened to the OpenBook users list on yahoo? I
changed isp and can't get back on the list. I did all the usual things but

can not get subscribed.

1 I asked to subscribe.

2 I got a reply with was an invitation giving me two ways to confirm I
wanted to subscribe.

3 One of the options was just to reply to the invitation; which I did.

4 The other option was to go to a address on yahoo; which I did.

5 On that page it said if I thought it was taking too long to write to the
list owner. After 4 days I wrote to the owner.

6 The invitation was good for only a week. It has been ten days and I have

heard nothing other than the first invitation. I hope someone on this list

has some words of wisdom.

Thanks,Dave Maynard
dmaynard35@morrisbb.net

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Re: Where is the Open Book List?

David Maynard <dmaynard35@...>
 

Hi Mike;

What you suggested is exactly what I did in step 1 of my message. I got the one week invitation as I said in step 2 and that is the last I have heard. Is there an active "owner"?

Thanks,

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 2:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where is the Open Book List?

Hi David,

Try the link below.

Openbook-users-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

I am a list member & the list is active.
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from our, iGasSucking460Powered1969Mach1!

----- Original Message -----
From: David Maynard
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 9:32 AM
Subject: Where is the Open Book List?


Hi;

Does anyone know what has happened to the OpenBook users list on yahoo? I
changed isp and can't get back on the list. I did all the usual things but
can not get subscribed.

1 I asked to subscribe.

2 I got a reply with was an invitation giving me two ways to confirm I
wanted to subscribe.

3 One of the options was just to reply to the invitation; which I did.

4 The other option was to go to a address on yahoo; which I did.

5 On that page it said if I thought it was taking too long to write to the
list owner. After 4 days I wrote to the owner.

6 The invitation was good for only a week. It has been ten days and I have
heard nothing other than the first invitation. I hope someone on this list
has some words of wisdom.

Thanks,Dave Maynard
dmaynard35@morrisbb.net

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Finding Elena Brescacin or alessio lenzi

John Martyn
 

I can't seem to find out what email they are at but I need Blind Tunes
translated to Italian.

The files can be found at www.BlindTunes.net/BlindTunesSource.zip

Thanks,

John Martyn

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finding Jani Kinnunen

John Martyn
 

Hi Johnny,

I have some new script work done and I need some translation done in
Finnish. The source file is at:

www.BlindTunes.net/BlindTunesSource.zip



If someone knows where to find him, please let me know.

Thank you,

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Re: Where is the Open Book List?

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi David,

Try the link below.

Openbook-users-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

I am a list member & the list is active.
Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: David Maynard
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 9:32 AM
Subject: Where is the Open Book List?


Hi;

Does anyone know what has happened to the OpenBook users list on yahoo? I
changed isp and can't get back on the list. I did all the usual things but
can not get subscribed.

1 I asked to subscribe.

2 I got a reply with was an invitation giving me two ways to confirm I
wanted to subscribe.

3 One of the options was just to reply to the invitation; which I did.

4 The other option was to go to a address on yahoo; which I did.

5 On that page it said if I thought it was taking too long to write to the
list owner. After 4 days I wrote to the owner.

6 The invitation was good for only a week. It has been ten days and I have
heard nothing other than the first invitation. I hope someone on this list
has some words of wisdom.

Thanks,Dave Maynard
dmaynard35@morrisbb.net

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Re: Where is the Open Book List?

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Tri and and look in your spam.

On 10/12/12, David Maynard <dmaynard35@morrisbb.net> wrote:
Hi;

Does anyone know what has happened to the OpenBook users list on yahoo? I
changed isp and can't get back on the list. I did all the usual things but

can not get subscribed.

1 I asked to subscribe.

2 I got a reply with was an invitation giving me two ways to confirm I
wanted to subscribe.

3 One of the options was just to reply to the invitation; which I did.

4 The other option was to go to a address on yahoo; which I did.

5 On that page it said if I thought it was taking too long to write to the
list owner. After 4 days I wrote to the owner.

6 The invitation was good for only a week. It has been ten days and I have

heard nothing other than the first invitation. I hope someone on this list

has some words of wisdom.

Thanks,Dave Maynard
dmaynard35@morrisbb.net

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Where is the Open Book List?

David Maynard <dmaynard35@...>
 

Hi;

Does anyone know what has happened to the OpenBook users list on yahoo? I changed isp and can't get back on the list. I did all the usual things but can not get subscribed.

1 I asked to subscribe.

2 I got a reply with was an invitation giving me two ways to confirm I wanted to subscribe.

3 One of the options was just to reply to the invitation; which I did.

4 The other option was to go to a address on yahoo; which I did.

5 On that page it said if I thought it was taking too long to write to the list owner. After 4 days I wrote to the owner.

6 The invitation was good for only a week. It has been ten days and I have heard nothing other than the first invitation. I hope someone on this list has some words of wisdom.

Thanks,Dave Maynard
dmaynard35@morrisbb.net

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Re: serial number

Cowle, Jodi <JCowle@...>
 

I got JAWS in the eighties, JFW I got after trying out Window Bridge, I don't remember quite when. My serial number is 17xx.

Jodi

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 12:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: serial number

Wonder if the "Grimsby" has one lower than that?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <james@the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:17
Subject: RE: serial number


Sounds like I've got most of you beat if we're going by serial numbers. I
started running both JAWS for DOS and JAWS for Windows, back in the JFW 2.0
and Windows 3.1 days. My serial number's 59xx (yes, it's only 4 digits).

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Abby Vincent
Sent: October 8, 2012 11:58 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: serial number

I started with JAWS for DOS. My number starts with 83 and has remained the
same, even with the transition to JAWS for Windows. It doesn't look like
the theory that the lower your serial number, the earlier you started using
JAWS is true. I also remember when you had to have an external speech
synthesizer to use JAWS, or any other screen reader. Now, thank goodness,
you can use your sound card.
Enjoy Indigenous Peoples' Day,
Abby

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of john.falter
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 8:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: serial number

I don't think you can go that way. I got JAWS in '96 and my number is about
7400.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Hi,
I believe I started with JAWS in 1993 and my sn is 49XX.
I think I started with version 3.something.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

No, I started using jaws during the transition period between jfw8 and 9.
I
have had several SMAs in the meantime as well as purchasing the remote
access option, but my SN has not changed.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Good idea. Mine is 35xxx and I purchased back in version 3.5. However
it may

be that a new purchase serial number maintains the first digits as
the version in force at the time. My 35xxx aligns with version 3.5.
Was your first version 4.2?

IF this is the scheme, then FS allowed for up to 1000 new users per
version,

and might change the serial prefix with each new version. We'd have
to collect a fair number of serial numbers to be sure of this.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 15:02
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


Well, we could make a guess by serial numbers.

My jaws serial number is about 427400 and I purchased jaws in late
2007 if memory serves.

I am pretty sure FS does in fact use incremental SN, not some odd
pattern with lots of holes. If we had someone who is a very recent
purchaser we could get an idea about both the overall population as
well as how fast it is growing.

On 10/2/12, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Nope, and no idea.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@telusplanet.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 14:45
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


I wonder if FS would release the number of licences or users they
have sold. Do we know how many Jaws users there are?

On 10/2/2012 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people use
JAWS.
There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US classified as
legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less than 10% use
computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority of blind
people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS users is
probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind people are
unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring
computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of
JAWS users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related
mailing lists, so they would have no way of learning about the
petition. FS keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded
secret, so nobody really knows how many blind people are actually
using it. But if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the
number of JAWS users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000,
but this is only a wild guess not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so,
I have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number
of JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition
has information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS.
Does anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be
a reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for
suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line. Although
this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of off-topic
discussions
again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when it
comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are some
less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be on
the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would
anyone on the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition
that is better and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and
elsewhere even though, in some instances, the interests were not
always
congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually
started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before
Christmas. <SMILE> Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
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Re: Retaliation? You be the judge!

Gerald Levy
 

David Ferrin, who moderates both the JAWS Users and Blind Computing lists, is very strict about adherence to list rules, and will not hesitate to ban anyone who violates them. Apparently,your announcement of the FS petition violates the Blind Computing list rules and you have thus been banned by the aforementioned moderator.

Gerald

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:58 PM
Subject: Retaliation? You be the judge!


All:
As I'm sure many of you remember, I spearheaded the petition drive to get Freedom Scientific to pay attention to users and fix bugs that have persisted in JAWS. It has been up about a week, and the number of signers has been steadily growing.
I was expecting to see a post on the Blind Computing List. When it didn't show up, I decided to post a notice about the petition and invite people to check it out. My message is at the bottom of this message.
I subscribe to the Blind Computing list (and I know several of you also participate on it) only by digest. So, I see messages grouped in batches.
Here is the only message I have received from the Blind Computing list since inviting listers to check out the Freedom Scientific petition:
************

Subject: You have been unsubscribed from the Blind-Computing mailing list

***********
The body of the message was empty. I am making no accusations here. These are the facts and only the facts. Draw your own conclusions!
I have no idea who moderates that list. Here is the email address from which the above message was sent:
*******
Blind-Computing [blind-computing-bounces@jaws-users.com]
******

If this indeed is retaliation, then this is bigger than just sloppy programming by a company.
JAWS, for the present, is still working, but don't be surprised if the next time you hear from me it will be using Window-Eyes, NVDA, System Access, or whatever -- and it won't be my choice!
Here is the message which appears to have resulted in my getting kicked off the Blind Computing mailing list -- without any warning or any stated reason:
**********
Hi All:

For anyone who uses, has used, or is thinking of using the JAWS Screen reader or other Freedom Scientific products, I urge you to read through and consider signing an online petition asking Freedom Scientific to give increased attention to fixing the bugs in its software and to take greater in introducing new features that tend to break functionality that previously worked. The text of The petition spells out some more specifics and may be worth considering. I, along with several others, authored the petition.
I also urge anyone who cares about making sure that blind and visually impaired people have access to reliable and dependable products seriously to consider reading and signing the petition.
If this has been mentioned before on this list, I apologize. I get the list by digest and sometimes miss posts.
Making our voices heard is one way to keep pressure on companies like Freedom Scientific to keep making their
products better by not letting known problems persist.

The URL is below. Otherwise, you can go to IPetitions.com and search on "Freedom Scientific and JAWS "Thanks for giving this some thought.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/freedom-scientific-bug-fix-problems
Also, if you think there is some value in the petition, feel free to circulate to your friends, colleagues, and other lists.
**********
Oh well. I was spending too much time on lists anyway. <SMILE>







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Firefox and Youtube

William Sallander <wsallander@...>
 

I've been playing around with the latest version of Firefox which appears to be version 16.
I've noticed that when using Jaws beta 14 and earlier, when I go to the YouTube site, Firefox seems to hang or crash.
This problem doesn't seem to occur when using another screen reader such as NVDA.
As I said earlier I have noticed this issue with earlier versions of Jaws and earlier versions of Firefox.
I'm using a vista machine, 64 bit.
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Re: Retaliation? You be the judge!

Robin Frost <robinni71@...>
 

Hi,
Call me naïve here but we don’t necessarily have a lot of facts to go on. Perhaps before accusations start flying a note to that lists moderator might be in order. It would also be interesting to know if messages about online petitions are considered on topic for said messages I.E. do they violate the list guidelines if any are indeed established therein.
Has the lists server experienced any glitches of late which might have resulted in this message having been disseminated. Are you actually unsubscribed or was it just an erroneous message?
Case and point in recent days the list dedicated to bookshare have been sending out some unusual messages due to some server difficulties.
It is my understanding that the maker of JFW does not officially run any user email lists. with that being said I’d be curious then whom would then be doing or have need to participate in any retaliatory activity.
Just some thoughts offered in the name of clarity and having all information before drawing conclusions and making assertions therein.
Robin


From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Retaliation? You be the judge!

All:
As I'm sure many of you remember, I spearheaded the petition drive to get Freedom Scientific to pay attention to users and fix bugs that have persisted in JAWS. It has been up about a week, and the number of signers has been steadily growing.
I was expecting to see a post on the Blind Computing List. When it didn't show up, I decided to post a notice about the petition and invite people to check it out. My message is at the bottom of this message.
I subscribe to the Blind Computing list (and I know several of you also participate on it) only by digest. So, I see messages grouped in batches.
Here is the only message I have received from the Blind Computing list since inviting listers to check out the Freedom Scientific petition:
************

Subject: You have been unsubscribed from the Blind-Computing mailing list

***********
The body of the message was empty. I am making no accusations here. These are the facts and only the facts. Draw your own conclusions!
I have no idea who moderates that list. Here is the email address from which the above message was sent:
*******
Blind-Computing [blind-computing-bounces@jaws-users.com]
******

If this indeed is retaliation, then this is bigger than just sloppy programming by a company.
JAWS, for the present, is still working, but don't be surprised if the next time you hear from me it will be using Window-Eyes, NVDA, System Access, or whatever -- and it won't be my choice!
Here is the message which appears to have resulted in my getting kicked off the Blind Computing mailing list -- without any warning or any stated reason:
**********
Hi All:

For anyone who uses, has used, or is thinking of using the JAWS Screen reader or other Freedom Scientific products, I urge you to read through and consider signing an online petition asking Freedom Scientific to give increased attention to fixing the bugs in its software and to take greater in introducing new features that tend to break functionality that previously worked. The text of The petition spells out some more specifics and may be worth considering. I, along with several others, authored the petition.
I also urge anyone who cares about making sure that blind and visually impaired people have access to reliable and dependable products seriously to consider reading and signing the petition.
If this has been mentioned before on this list, I apologize. I get the list by digest and sometimes miss posts.
Making our voices heard is one way to keep pressure on companies like Freedom Scientific to keep making their
products better by not letting known problems persist.

The URL is below. Otherwise, you can go to IPetitions.com and search on "Freedom Scientific and JAWS "Thanks for giving this some thought.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/freedom-scientific-bug-fix-problems
Also, if you think there is some value in the petition, feel free to circulate to your friends, colleagues, and other lists.
**********
Oh well. I was spending too much time on lists anyway. <SMILE>







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Re: Retaliation? You be the judge!

Cy Selfridge
 

Tragic.
Striving for excellence in a product should be the goal of ever corporation.

Lack of attention to detail is exactly what caused the
American automobile industry to leave the door open for foreign imports. Oh
well, even small minded people have a right to their opinion.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Retaliation? You be the judge!

All:
As I'm sure many of you remember, I spearheaded the petition drive to get
Freedom Scientific to pay attention to users and fix bugs that have
persisted in JAWS. It has been up about a week, and the number of signers
has been steadily growing.
I was expecting to see a post on the Blind Computing List. When it didn't
show up, I decided to post a notice about the petition and invite people to
check it out. My message is at the bottom of this message.
I subscribe to the Blind Computing list (and I know several of you also
participate on it) only by digest. So, I see messages grouped in batches.
Here is the only message I have received from the Blind Computing list since
inviting listers to check out the Freedom Scientific petition:
************

Subject: You have been unsubscribed from the Blind-Computing mailing list

***********
The body of the message was empty. I am making no accusations here. These
are the facts and only the facts. Draw your own conclusions!
I have no idea who moderates that list. Here is the email address from
which the above message was sent:
*******
Blind-Computing [blind-computing-bounces@jaws-users.com]
******

If this indeed is retaliation, then this is bigger than just sloppy
programming by a company.
JAWS, for the present, is still working, but don't be surprised if the next
time you hear from me it will be using Window-Eyes, NVDA, System Access, or
whatever -- and it won't be my choice!
Here is the message which appears to have resulted in my getting kicked off
the Blind Computing mailing list -- without any warning or any stated
reason:
**********
Hi All:

For anyone who uses, has used, or is thinking of using the JAWS Screen
reader or other Freedom Scientific products, I urge you to read through and
consider signing an online petition asking Freedom Scientific to give
increased attention to fixing the bugs in its software and to take greater
in introducing new features that tend to break functionality that previously
worked. The text of The petition spells out some more specifics and may be
worth considering. I, along with several others, authored the petition.
I also urge anyone who cares about making sure that blind and visually
impaired people have access to reliable and dependable products seriously to
consider reading and signing the petition.
If this has been mentioned before on this list, I apologize. I get the list
by digest and sometimes miss posts.
Making our voices heard is one way to keep pressure on companies like
Freedom Scientific to keep making their products better by not letting known
problems persist.

The URL is below. Otherwise, you can go to IPetitions.com and search on
"Freedom Scientific and JAWS "Thanks for giving this some thought.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/freedom-scientific-bug-fix-problems
Also, if you think there is some value in the petition, feel free to
circulate to your friends, colleagues, and other lists.
**********
Oh well. I was spending too much time on lists anyway. <SMILE>







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TO BE USED, AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING
PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE.

This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named
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Retaliation? You be the judge!

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

All:
As I'm sure many of you remember, I spearheaded the petition drive to get Freedom Scientific to pay attention to users and fix bugs that have persisted in JAWS. It has been up about a week, and the number of signers has been steadily growing.
I was expecting to see a post on the Blind Computing List. When it didn't show up, I decided to post a notice about the petition and invite people to check it out. My message is at the bottom of this message.
I subscribe to the Blind Computing list (and I know several of you also participate on it) only by digest. So, I see messages grouped in batches.
Here is the only message I have received from the Blind Computing list since inviting listers to check out the Freedom Scientific petition:
************

Subject: You have been unsubscribed from the Blind-Computing mailing list

***********
The body of the message was empty. I am making no accusations here. These are the facts and only the facts. Draw your own conclusions!
I have no idea who moderates that list. Here is the email address from which the above message was sent:
*******
Blind-Computing [blind-computing-bounces@jaws-users.com]
******

If this indeed is retaliation, then this is bigger than just sloppy programming by a company.
JAWS, for the present, is still working, but don't be surprised if the next time you hear from me it will be using Window-Eyes, NVDA, System Access, or whatever -- and it won't be my choice!
Here is the message which appears to have resulted in my getting kicked off the Blind Computing mailing list -- without any warning or any stated reason:
**********
Hi All:

For anyone who uses, has used, or is thinking of using the JAWS Screen reader or other Freedom Scientific products, I urge you to read through and consider signing an online petition asking Freedom Scientific to give increased attention to fixing the bugs in its software and to take greater in introducing new features that tend to break functionality that previously worked. The text of The petition spells out some more specifics and may be worth considering. I, along with several others, authored the petition.
I also urge anyone who cares about making sure that blind and visually impaired people have access to reliable and dependable products seriously to consider reading and signing the petition.
If this has been mentioned before on this list, I apologize. I get the list by digest and sometimes miss posts.
Making our voices heard is one way to keep pressure on companies like Freedom Scientific to keep making their
products better by not letting known problems persist.

The URL is below. Otherwise, you can go to IPetitions.com and search on "Freedom Scientific and JAWS "Thanks for giving this some thought.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/freedom-scientific-bug-fix-problems
Also, if you think there is some value in the petition, feel free to circulate to your friends, colleagues, and other lists.
**********
Oh well. I was spending too much time on lists anyway. <SMILE>







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AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE.

This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named recipients above and may contain information
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Re: dooie13@myfrontiermail.com Subscription

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

So, are we all going to access his information now or are we simply dropping
hints.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:34 AM
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thanks for your account information.



At 10:13 AM 10/11/2012, you wrote:
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Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@...>
 

Hi,
sorry about that, but I did not follow the whole thread.
However, I wish to be subscribed with this email address...

Angela from Italy.

Il 11/10/2012 18:33, Chris Smart ha scritto:
thanks for your account information.



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thanks for your account information.



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Re: dooie13@myfrontiermail.com Subscription

Dave...
 

Dwight!

You just gave us all your password. Likely a mistake on your part.
You had better unsubscribe, and change that password immediately. Never post
your password on a list.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

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Richard Holloway
 

You may want to change whatever password that is-- looks like you sent it to all on the list.
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

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Dwight J. Meyrick

100% Blind USN Vet

Hillsboro, OR 97123





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