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Retesting vocalizer voicesand : Freedom Scientific Petition

ptusing <ptusing@...>
 

Hi,
If the experience with older people whoadopted JAWS in Japan is true elsewhere--like there are so many due to the long lifespans of elders there--then JAWS should work well for older peoplewho newly adoptJAWS.
That is why I am hoping that people will test the vocalizer voices as many older people have frequency variations in hearing but are
not that hearing impaired if they wear hearing aids
Andfinally, some day we will all be in that situation or at least an elder JAWS user.
.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


That was my point exactly; we can't assume.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:22 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition

The self-proclaimed seniors in this thread have used computers and
screenreaders since they were, as Ted put it, mere striplings. The
elderly population that is less likely to take on JAWS over, say, sixty
consists of people who haven't used computers at all or who haven't used
adaptive aids while working with computers. Several exceptions from this
list alone come to mind.

The relevance to JAWS is that the deficiencies that start or recur in
new versions are a cause of great frustration even for those of us who
have years of experience with the application. That level of frustration
has to be extremely discouraging to people of any age learning it for
the first time, and especially those who fear their intellectual powers
are waning.
All the more reason for Ed's petition.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 9:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition

Hi Ted,
I believe I was just about 40 when I got my Apple II+.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 6:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition

A few of us are seniors now, but were not when we started. I was a mere
stripling of 32 when I saw my first Apple.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 5:15 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


At 62 years of age, I am also a senior and have yet to encounter another
blind senior who uses a computer with JAWS or any other screen reader.
And most older sighted seniors I know want nothing to do with computers,
which they find difficult and confounding to learn and set up.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Hmm, I am a Senior and I know a whole lot of Seniors who use the
computer
as
it gives us a great way to "get out" and communicate with others.
Now, with the advent of the iPhone and Android a lot of folks who used
to
use the computer now use the phone.
I suppose there are still a lot of blind (as well as other handicapped
people) who are satisfied tojust sit on their asses and veg out.
Cy, The Humble Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Smart
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 2:52 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition



how many of those people are seniors? don't forget that probably three
quarters of the visually-impaired population are elderly.

At 04:50 PM 10/7/2012, you wrote:
Very odd statistics... what are they based on? You say less than 10%
of blind people use computers with a screen reader? I'd say that 95%
of the people I know who are blind, and, I know a lot of people who
are
blind, use a computer with a screen reader, and, most of these use
Jaws. I'm not criticizing you, just wonder how you arrive at your
stats.

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-02, at 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
wrote:


There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people
use JAWS. There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US
classified as legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less
than 10% use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming
majority
of blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind people
are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring
computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of
JAWS
users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing
lists,
so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS keeps
the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so nobody
really knows how many blind people are actually using it. But if I
had
to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS users might
be
somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is only a wild guess
not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I
have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of
JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition has
information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does
anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for suggestions
here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line.
Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of
off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward
when it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be
on
the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone
on
the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better
and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere
even though, in some instances, the interests were not always
congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I
actually started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up
before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

That was my point exactly; we can't assume.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:22 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition

The self-proclaimed seniors in this thread have used computers and
screenreaders since they were, as Ted put it, mere striplings. The
elderly population that is less likely to take on JAWS over, say, sixty
consists of people who haven't used computers at all or who haven't used
adaptive aids while working with computers. Several exceptions from this
list alone come to mind.

The relevance to JAWS is that the deficiencies that start or recur in
new versions are a cause of great frustration even for those of us who
have years of experience with the application. That level of frustration
has to be extremely discouraging to people of any age learning it for
the first time, and especially those who fear their intellectual powers
are waning.
All the more reason for Ed's petition.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cy
Selfridge
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 9:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition

Hi Ted,
I believe I was just about 40 when I got my Apple II+.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 6:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition

A few of us are seniors now, but were not when we started. I was a mere
stripling of 32 when I saw my first Apple.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 5:15 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


At 62 years of age, I am also a senior and have yet to encounter another
blind senior who uses a computer with JAWS or any other screen reader.
And most older sighted seniors I know want nothing to do with computers,
which they find difficult and confounding to learn and set up.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Hmm, I am a Senior and I know a whole lot of Seniors who use the
computer
as
it gives us a great way to "get out" and communicate with others.
Now, with the advent of the iPhone and Android a lot of folks who used
to
use the computer now use the phone.
I suppose there are still a lot of blind (as well as other handicapped
people) who are satisfied tojust sit on their asses and veg out.
Cy, The Humble Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Smart
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 2:52 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition



how many of those people are seniors? don't forget that probably three
quarters of the visually-impaired population are elderly.

At 04:50 PM 10/7/2012, you wrote:
Very odd statistics... what are they based on? You say less than 10%
of blind people use computers with a screen reader? I'd say that 95%
of the people I know who are blind, and, I know a lot of people who
are
blind, use a computer with a screen reader, and, most of these use
Jaws. I'm not criticizing you, just wonder how you arrive at your
stats.

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-02, at 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
wrote:


There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people
use JAWS. There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US
classified as legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less
than 10% use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming
majority
of blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind people
are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring
computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of
JAWS
users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing
lists,
so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS keeps
the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so nobody
really knows how many blind people are actually using it. But if I
had
to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS users might
be
somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is only a wild guess
not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I
have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of
JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition has
information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does
anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for suggestions
here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line.
Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of
off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward
when it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be
on
the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone
on
the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better
and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere
even though, in some instances, the interests were not always
congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I
actually started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up
before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
1010 Grand Boulevard
Suite 500
Kansas City, MO 64106
ed.marquette@kutakrock.com




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Re: number testing and word testing of vocalizer voices TomandSamantha

ptusing <ptusing@...>
 

Thanks, Ted,
My point is that weird pronounciations should be reported to the beta
team.

I have a friend who is testing words with vocalizer voices.

I note that
certain letter combinations like
"a g r" at the beginning of a word is totally messed up by Eloquence.
Is that true for voice Sam and Samantha?
Thanksfor testing the voices.

----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:44 AM
Subject: RE: number testing and word testing of vocalizer voices TomandSamantha


JAWS allows one to customize dictionaries according to synthesizer.
I've noticed that RealSpeak handles some things far better than
Eloquence. But stumbles over simple things. Why on earth would
RealSpeak give a simple word like lame a French pronunciation in all
cases, but that's what it does. It confuses someone with a bad leg with
one of Elvis's stage costumes.

I also notice certain idiosyncrasies in the Commonwealth (UK,
Australian) voices, which I suppose the programmer thinks are
typical--placing R's where they don't belong in certain situations (some
of you will remember JFK's adding an R to Cuba in certain situations).

Ted

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of ptusing
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 9:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: number testing and word testing of vocalizer voices
TomandSamantha

Hi,
I appreciate your comments. I had heard that F S was supposedly
interested in poorly pronounced words or badly pronounced words in
combination. I will give 2 examples.

Both the voices Tom and Samantha mis sp eak some words ending in hard
consonants followed by words beginning with vowels like these 2 word
combinations:
mess around
grandarena
So I was simply attempting to do what was suggested--nothing more.
One person pointed out words beginning with"
aggr".
We will be stuck with this vocalizer synthesizer for sometime.
Have a fine day.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: number testing and word testing of vocalizer voices Tom
andSamantha


Your research is laudable, but expecting that the problem lies with
JAWS may not be valid. How do you know that inconsistencies are not
the fault of Nuance?

If you really need to have accurate speech feedback, then your
research seem to indicate that you should stick with Eloquence.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "ptusing" <ptusing@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 18:43
Subject: number testing and word testing of vocalizer voices Tom and
Samantha


Here is a number string andI report how Eloquence reads it.
Numbers are in quotations.
"
2.00 8 1.30 9 .30 7 50 6" but are listed below minusthequotations.

These numbers read literally like
two point oh oh eight one point three oh nine point three oh etc.
until
the last 3 numbers which are 7 then 50 and then 6.
The last numbers are read as seven fifty six.
2.00 8 1.30 9 .30 7 50 6





Now, a friend is testing the vocalizer Tom and Samantha with
3-syllable
words in sentences with lots of punctuationlike commas and dashes.



He is doing this to try to find problems which can be fixed during the
beta.
|

Four syllable words seem good.



Final point,the individual helps peoplewith JAWS which I myself have
found
very useful



I think the Tom voice is slightly muffled but it and Samantha are
the
easiest to listen to for long time periods.



Will keep you posted per the voice experiment.



Have a fine day.


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Re: number testing and word testing of vocalizer voices TomandSamantha

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

JAWS allows one to customize dictionaries according to synthesizer.
I've noticed that RealSpeak handles some things far better than
Eloquence. But stumbles over simple things. Why on earth would
RealSpeak give a simple word like lame a French pronunciation in all
cases, but that's what it does. It confuses someone with a bad leg with
one of Elvis's stage costumes.

I also notice certain idiosyncrasies in the Commonwealth (UK,
Australian) voices, which I suppose the programmer thinks are
typical--placing R's where they don't belong in certain situations (some
of you will remember JFK's adding an R to Cuba in certain situations).

Ted

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of ptusing
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 9:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: number testing and word testing of vocalizer voices
TomandSamantha

Hi,
I appreciate your comments. I had heard that F S was supposedly
interested in poorly pronounced words or badly pronounced words in
combination. I will give 2 examples.

Both the voices Tom and Samantha mis sp eak some words ending in hard
consonants followed by words beginning with vowels like these 2 word
combinations:
mess around
grandarena
So I was simply attempting to do what was suggested--nothing more.
One person pointed out words beginning with"
aggr".
We will be stuck with this vocalizer synthesizer for sometime.
Have a fine day.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: number testing and word testing of vocalizer voices Tom
andSamantha


Your research is laudable, but expecting that the problem lies with
JAWS may not be valid. How do you know that inconsistencies are not
the fault of Nuance?

If you really need to have accurate speech feedback, then your
research seem to indicate that you should stick with Eloquence.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "ptusing" <ptusing@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 18:43
Subject: number testing and word testing of vocalizer voices Tom and
Samantha


Here is a number string andI report how Eloquence reads it.
Numbers are in quotations.
"
2.00 8 1.30 9 .30 7 50 6" but are listed below minusthequotations.

These numbers read literally like
two point oh oh eight one point three oh nine point three oh etc.
until
the last 3 numbers which are 7 then 50 and then 6.
The last numbers are read as seven fifty six.
2.00 8 1.30 9 .30 7 50 6





Now, a friend is testing the vocalizer Tom and Samantha with
3-syllable
words in sentences with lots of punctuationlike commas and dashes.



He is doing this to try to find problems which can be fixed during the
beta.
|

Four syllable words seem good.



Final point,the individual helps peoplewith JAWS which I myself have
found
very useful



I think the Tom voice is slightly muffled but it and Samantha are
the
easiest to listen to for long time periods.



Will keep you posted per the voice experiment.



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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Adrian Spratt
 

The self-proclaimed seniors in this thread have used computers and
screenreaders since they were, as Ted put it, mere striplings. The elderly
population that is less likely to take on JAWS over, say, sixty consists of
people who haven't used computers at all or who haven't used adaptive aids
while working with computers. Several exceptions from this list alone come
to mind.

The relevance to JAWS is that the deficiencies that start or recur in new
versions are a cause of great frustration even for those of us who have
years of experience with the application. That level of frustration has to
be extremely discouraging to people of any age learning it for the first
time, and especially those who fear their intellectual powers are waning.
All the more reason for Ed's petition.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 9:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition

Hi Ted,
I believe I was just about 40 when I got my Apple II+.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
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(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 6:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition

A few of us are seniors now, but were not when we started. I was a mere
stripling of 32 when I saw my first Apple.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 5:15 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


At 62 years of age, I am also a senior and have yet to encounter another
blind senior who uses a computer with JAWS or any other screen reader.
And most older sighted seniors I know want nothing to do with computers,
which they find difficult and confounding to learn and set up.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Hmm, I am a Senior and I know a whole lot of Seniors who use the
computer
as
it gives us a great way to "get out" and communicate with others.
Now, with the advent of the iPhone and Android a lot of folks who used
to
use the computer now use the phone.
I suppose there are still a lot of blind (as well as other handicapped
people) who are satisfied tojust sit on their asses and veg out.
Cy, The Humble Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Smart
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 2:52 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition



how many of those people are seniors? don't forget that probably three
quarters of the visually-impaired population are elderly.

At 04:50 PM 10/7/2012, you wrote:
Very odd statistics... what are they based on? You say less than 10%
of blind people use computers with a screen reader? I'd say that 95%
of the people I know who are blind, and, I know a lot of people who
are
blind, use a computer with a screen reader, and, most of these use
Jaws. I'm not criticizing you, just wonder how you arrive at your
stats.

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-02, at 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
wrote:


There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people
use JAWS. There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US
classified as legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less
than 10% use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming
majority
of blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind people
are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring
computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of
JAWS
users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing
lists,
so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS keeps
the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so nobody
really knows how many blind people are actually using it. But if I
had
to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS users might
be
somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is only a wild guess
not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I
have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of
JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition has
information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does
anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for suggestions
here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line.
Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of
off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward
when it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be
on
the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone
on
the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better
and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere
even though, in some instances, the interests were not always
congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I
actually started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up
before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
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Mobile: 816.812.0088
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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Cy Selfridge
 

Hi Ted,
I believe I was just about 40 when I got my Apple II+.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS)
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 6:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition

A few of us are seniors now, but were not when we started. I was a mere
stripling of 32 when I saw my first Apple.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 5:15 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


At 62 years of age, I am also a senior and have yet to encounter another
blind senior who uses a computer with JAWS or any other screen reader.
And most older sighted seniors I know want nothing to do with computers,
which they find difficult and confounding to learn and set up.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Hmm, I am a Senior and I know a whole lot of Seniors who use the
computer
as
it gives us a great way to "get out" and communicate with others.
Now, with the advent of the iPhone and Android a lot of folks who used
to
use the computer now use the phone.
I suppose there are still a lot of blind (as well as other handicapped
people) who are satisfied tojust sit on their asses and veg out.
Cy, The Humble Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Smart
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 2:52 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition



how many of those people are seniors? don't forget that probably three
quarters of the visually-impaired population are elderly.

At 04:50 PM 10/7/2012, you wrote:
Very odd statistics... what are they based on? You say less than 10%
of blind people use computers with a screen reader? I'd say that 95%
of the people I know who are blind, and, I know a lot of people who
are
blind, use a computer with a screen reader, and, most of these use
Jaws. I'm not criticizing you, just wonder how you arrive at your
stats.

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-02, at 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
wrote:


There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people
use JAWS. There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US
classified as legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less
than 10% use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming
majority
of blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind people
are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring
computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of
JAWS
users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing
lists,
so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS keeps
the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so nobody
really knows how many blind people are actually using it. But if I
had
to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS users might
be
somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is only a wild guess
not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I
have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of
JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition has
information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does
anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for suggestions
here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line.
Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of
off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward
when it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be
on
the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone
on
the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better
and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere
even though, in some instances, the interests were not always
congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I
actually started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up
before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
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Suite 500
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Re: number testing and word testing of vocalizer voices Tom andSamantha

ptusing <ptusing@...>
 

Hi,
I appreciate your comments. I had heard that F S was supposedly interested in poorly pronounced words or badly pronounced words in
combination. I will give 2 examples.

Both the voices Tom and Samantha mis sp eak some words ending in hard consonants followed by words beginning with vowels like
these 2 word combinations:
mess around
grandarena
So I was simply attempting to do what was suggested--nothing more.
One person pointed out words beginning with"
aggr".
We will be stuck with this vocalizer synthesizer for sometime.
Have a fine day.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: number testing and word testing of vocalizer voices Tom andSamantha


Your research is laudable, but expecting that the problem lies with JAWS may
not be valid. How do you know that inconsistencies are not the fault of
Nuance?

If you really need to have accurate speech feedback, then your research seem
to indicate that you should stick with Eloquence.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 18:43
Subject: number testing and word testing of vocalizer voices Tom and
Samantha


Here is a number string andI report how Eloquence reads it.
Numbers are in quotations.
"
2.00 8 1.30 9 .30 7 50 6" but are listed below minusthequotations.

These numbers read literally like
two point oh oh eight one point three oh nine point three oh etc. until
the last 3 numbers which are 7 then 50 and then 6.
The last numbers are read as seven fifty six.
2.00 8 1.30 9 .30 7 50 6





Now, a friend is testing the vocalizer Tom and Samantha with 3-syllable
words in sentences with lots of punctuationlike commas and dashes.



He is doing this to try to find problems which can be fixed during the beta.
|

Four syllable words seem good.



Final point,the individual helps peoplewith JAWS which I myself have found
very useful



I think the Tom voice is slightly muffled but it and Samantha are the
easiest to listen to for long time periods.



Will keep you posted per the voice experiment.



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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

A few of us are seniors now, but were not when we started. I was a mere
stripling of 32 when I saw my first Apple.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 5:15 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition


At 62 years of age, I am also a senior and have yet to encounter another
blind senior who uses a computer with JAWS or any other screen reader.
And most older sighted seniors I know want nothing to do with computers,
which they find difficult and confounding to learn and set up.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Hmm, I am a Senior and I know a whole lot of Seniors who use the
computer
as
it gives us a great way to "get out" and communicate with others.
Now, with the advent of the iPhone and Android a lot of folks who used
to
use the computer now use the phone.
I suppose there are still a lot of blind (as well as other handicapped
people) who are satisfied tojust sit on their asses and veg out.
Cy, The Humble Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Smart
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 2:52 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition



how many of those people are seniors? don't forget that probably three
quarters of the visually-impaired population are elderly.

At 04:50 PM 10/7/2012, you wrote:
Very odd statistics... what are they based on? You say less than 10%
of blind people use computers with a screen reader? I'd say that 95%
of the people I know who are blind, and, I know a lot of people who
are
blind, use a computer with a screen reader, and, most of these use
Jaws. I'm not criticizing you, just wonder how you arrive at your
stats.

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-02, at 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
wrote:


There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people
use JAWS. There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US
classified as legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less
than 10% use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming
majority
of blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind people
are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring
computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of
JAWS
users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing
lists,
so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS keeps
the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so nobody
really knows how many blind people are actually using it. But if I
had
to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS users might
be
somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is only a wild guess
not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I
have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of
JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition has
information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does
anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for suggestions
here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line.
Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of
off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward
when it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be
on
the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone
on
the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better
and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere
even though, in some instances, the interests were not always
congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I
actually started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up
before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
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Re: Karlen Communications and Karen McCall books

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I agree about release X. Versions 8 and 9 were real pills, but going to
Windows 7 helped a little on 9. X is my favorite of the last several
versions, based upon what I have seen so far.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 5:39 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Karlen Communications and Karen McCall books

Ed,

I don't know if this is an option for you and your office, but Adobe
Reader X, the X standing for 10, is considerably more
accessibility-friendly than previous versions. I can't promise it will
solve your problems, but it might.

Also, when I convert PDF documents with OmniPage, I find the convert to
text more reliable than other conversion options (RTF, etc.). Of course,
it probably won't preserve the PDF formatting, but I don't worry about
that when the document is for my own needs.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette,
Ed
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Karlen Communications and Karen McCall books

Thanks for the several suggestions. In terms of the questions asked,
here are my answers:
In Acrobat, under the File menu, there is an export to text option. I
almost never use it. The OmniPage suite comes with a PDF converter. I
can either convert from PDF directly to Word from an email attachment,
save to disk and convert to Word or Excel in Windows Explorer, or scan
with OmniPate. Each options will do OCR. OmniPage is truly an awesome
product.
Of course, it doesn't work on protected documents. Save to text also
doesn't work with protected documents.
2. I'm using, no surprise, JAWS 13. I still haven't fixed my corrupted
JAWS 12. I'm in Windows 7 (32 Bit), and I'm using Acrobat 9.4.

3. I've tried the quick key commands, but they don't seem to work
across pages. I wish "p" took you to the next page in a PDF document.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of ptusing
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:56 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Karlen Communications and Karen McCall books

Thanks, Ed for asking these questions.

Also, how does one export the pdf document to text?

Thanks.

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:28 PM
Subject: Karlen Communications and Karen McCall books


I actually talked to Karen. She is a very nice and quite knowledgeable
MS Office person.
I bought one of her book packages on MS Office. It is on Office 2007,
but
I figure the changes to 2010 won't be that difficult to master.
My challenge is my lack of familiarity with using PDF documents. I
almost
always convert them to Word. Karen's book, however, is protected, and
I understand that.
The main part of the book (and there are separate sample files and
sample summary files, including a summary of ribbon commands in Excel
format) is a huge PDF file. After 20 minutes of trying to load it, I
killed the operation and, in accessibility options, set Acrobat to
read in chunks if the file is greater than 10 pages.
I read the JAWS help topics on Acrobat and learned stuff I already
knew, e.g., the quick keys and other HTML reading commands work.
What about reliably going from page to page and landing at the top of
the page? Control pagedown does not work reliably. Using the Acrobat
View, Go to, Next page command doesn't work reliably. Right arrow key
does not work at all.
Anything I'm missing? Surely, something like this, which is supposed
to be accessable to screen readers, should be accessable.
With JAWS it is also painfully slow. Five seconds to go from one page
to the next is not acceptable.


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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Dave...
 

George,

Gosh, you've caught me again. I guess we drifted away from the actual
petition to Freedom Scientific (which is JAWS-related) to a discussion of
just how we might be able to figure out the statistics and determine a
reasonable number of JAWS users (which is not very JAWS-related). So you are
once again my better in the area of compliance, and I beg your sufferance at
my indiscretions. I am most profoundly and obsequiously yours very truly --
your obedient servant -- Dave Carlson

----- Original Message -----
From: "George B" <gbmagoo@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 21:26
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


and just what does all this jibberish have to do with jaws???

-----Original Message-----
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Carlson
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 20:33
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

I think Gerald's assessment is closer to the truth. In spite of
Russell's
assertions, I would like to know whether his contacts are a
statistically-valid randomly-chosen representative cross-section of
the
blind in his community. After all, we tend to stick with those who have
a
similar interest to ours, so we, like Russell, would tend to socialize
with
those who also use computers, and not link up with those who do not.

My experience with seniors in general, most of whom qualify for being
legally blind, are that they are not at all interested in learning how
to
use a computer.

No doubt that will shift toward technology as the baby-boomers reach
the
post-Social-Security ranks and as the current aged population dies off.

But for now I would agree that the number is low.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 14:15
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition



At 62 years of age, I am also a senior and have yet to encounter
another
blind senior who uses a computer with JAWS or any other screen reader.
And
most older sighted seniors I know want nothing to do with computers,
which
they find difficult and confounding to learn and set up.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Hmm, I am a Senior and I know a whole lot of Seniors who use the
computer
as
it gives us a great way to "get out" and communicate with others.
Now, with the advent of the iPhone and Android a lot of folks who
used to
use the computer now use the phone.
I suppose there are still a lot of blind (as well as other
handicapped
people) who are satisfied tojust sit on their asses and veg out.
Cy, The Humble Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Smart
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 2:52 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition



how many of those people are seniors? don't forget that probably
three
quarters of the visually-impaired population are elderly.

At 04:50 PM 10/7/2012, you wrote:
Very odd statistics... what are they based on? You say less than 10%
of blind people use computers with a screen reader? I'd say that 95%
of the people I know who are blind, and, I know a lot of people who
are
blind, use a computer with a screen reader, and, most of these use
Jaws. I'm not criticizing you, just wonder how you arrive at your
stats.

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-02, at 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
wrote:


There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people
use JAWS. There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US
classified as legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less
than 10% use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming
majority
of blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind
people
are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring
computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of
JAWS
users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing
lists,
so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS keeps
the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so nobody
really knows how many blind people are actually using it. But if I
had
to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS users might
be
somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is only a wild guess
not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I
have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of
JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition has
information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does
anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for suggestions
here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line.
Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of
off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward
when it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be
on
the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone
on
the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better
and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere
even though, in some instances, the interests were not always
congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I
actually started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up
before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
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Mobile: 816.812.0088
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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

George B
 

and just what does all this jibberish have to do with jaws???

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar
Carlson
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 20:33
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

I think Gerald's assessment is closer to the truth. In spite of
Russell's
assertions, I would like to know whether his contacts are a
statistically-valid randomly-chosen representative cross-section of
the
blind in his community. After all, we tend to stick with those who have
a
similar interest to ours, so we, like Russell, would tend to socialize
with
those who also use computers, and not link up with those who do not.

My experience with seniors in general, most of whom qualify for being
legally blind, are that they are not at all interested in learning how
to
use a computer.

No doubt that will shift toward technology as the baby-boomers reach
the
post-Social-Security ranks and as the current aged population dies off.

But for now I would agree that the number is low.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 14:15
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition



At 62 years of age, I am also a senior and have yet to encounter
another
blind senior who uses a computer with JAWS or any other screen reader.
And
most older sighted seniors I know want nothing to do with computers,
which
they find difficult and confounding to learn and set up.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Hmm, I am a Senior and I know a whole lot of Seniors who use the
computer
as
it gives us a great way to "get out" and communicate with others.
Now, with the advent of the iPhone and Android a lot of folks who
used to
use the computer now use the phone.
I suppose there are still a lot of blind (as well as other
handicapped
people) who are satisfied tojust sit on their asses and veg out.
Cy, The Humble Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Smart
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 2:52 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition



how many of those people are seniors? don't forget that probably
three
quarters of the visually-impaired population are elderly.

At 04:50 PM 10/7/2012, you wrote:
Very odd statistics... what are they based on? You say less than 10%
of blind people use computers with a screen reader? I'd say that 95%
of the people I know who are blind, and, I know a lot of people who
are
blind, use a computer with a screen reader, and, most of these use
Jaws. I'm not criticizing you, just wonder how you arrive at your
stats.

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-02, at 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
wrote:


There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people
use JAWS. There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US
classified as legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less
than 10% use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming
majority
of blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind
people
are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring
computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of
JAWS
users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing
lists,
so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS keeps
the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so nobody
really knows how many blind people are actually using it. But if I
had
to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS users might
be
somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is only a wild guess
not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I
have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of
JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition has
information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does
anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for suggestions
here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line.
Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of
off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward
when it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be
on
the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone
on
the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better
and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere
even though, in some instances, the interests were not always
congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I
actually started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up
before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
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Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
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Re: number testing and word testing of vocalizer voices Tom and Samantha

Dave...
 

Your research is laudable, but expecting that the problem lies with JAWS may
not be valid. How do you know that inconsistencies are not the fault of
Nuance?

If you really need to have accurate speech feedback, then your research seem
to indicate that you should stick with Eloquence.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "ptusing" <ptusing@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 18:43
Subject: number testing and word testing of vocalizer voices Tom and
Samantha


Here is a number string andI report how Eloquence reads it.
Numbers are in quotations.
"
2.00 8 1.30 9 .30 7 50 6" but are listed below minusthequotations.

These numbers read literally like
two point oh oh eight one point three oh nine point three oh etc. until
the last 3 numbers which are 7 then 50 and then 6.
The last numbers are read as seven fifty six.
2.00 8 1.30 9 .30 7 50 6





Now, a friend is testing the vocalizer Tom and Samantha with 3-syllable
words in sentences with lots of punctuationlike commas and dashes.



He is doing this to try to find problems which can be fixed during the beta.
|

Four syllable words seem good.



Final point,the individual helps peoplewith JAWS which I myself have found
very useful



I think the Tom voice is slightly muffled but it and Samantha are the
easiest to listen to for long time periods.



Will keep you posted per the voice experiment.



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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Dave...
 

I think Gerald's assessment is closer to the truth. In spite of Russell's
assertions, I would like to know whether his contacts are a
statistically-valid randomly-chosen representative cross-section of the
blind in his community. After all, we tend to stick with those who have a
similar interest to ours, so we, like Russell, would tend to socialize with
those who also use computers, and not link up with those who do not.

My experience with seniors in general, most of whom qualify for being
legally blind, are that they are not at all interested in learning how to
use a computer.

No doubt that will shift toward technology as the baby-boomers reach the
post-Social-Security ranks and as the current aged population dies off.

But for now I would agree that the number is low.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 14:15
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition



At 62 years of age, I am also a senior and have yet to encounter another
blind senior who uses a computer with JAWS or any other screen reader. And
most older sighted seniors I know want nothing to do with computers, which
they find difficult and confounding to learn and set up.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific Petition


Hmm, I am a Senior and I know a whole lot of Seniors who use the computer
as
it gives us a great way to "get out" and communicate with others.
Now, with the advent of the iPhone and Android a lot of folks who used to
use the computer now use the phone.
I suppose there are still a lot of blind (as well as other handicapped
people) who are satisfied tojust sit on their asses and veg out.
Cy, The Humble Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 2:52 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition



how many of those people are seniors? don't forget that probably three
quarters of the visually-impaired population are elderly.

At 04:50 PM 10/7/2012, you wrote:
Very odd statistics... what are they based on? You say less than 10%
of blind people use computers with a screen reader? I'd say that 95%
of the people I know who are blind, and, I know a lot of people who are
blind, use a computer with a screen reader, and, most of these use
Jaws. I'm not criticizing you, just wonder how you arrive at your
stats.

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-02, at 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
wrote:


There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people
use JAWS. There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US
classified as legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less
than 10% use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority
of blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind people
are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring
computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of JAWS
users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing lists,
so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS keeps
the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so nobody
really knows how many blind people are actually using it. But if I had
to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS users might be
somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is only a wild guess
not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I
have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of
JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition has
information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does
anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for suggestions
here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line.
Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of
off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward
when it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be on
the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone on
the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better
and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere
even though, in some instances, the interests were not always
congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I
actually started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up
before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


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number testing and word testing of vocalizer voices Tom and Samantha

ptusing <ptusing@...>
 

Here is a number string andI report how Eloquence reads it.
Numbers are in quotations.
"
2.00 8 1.30 9 .30 7 50 6" but are listed below minusthequotations.

These numbers read literally like
two point oh oh eight one point three oh nine point three oh etc. until the last 3 numbers which are 7 then 50 and then 6.
The last numbers are read as seven fifty six.
2.00 8 1.30 9 .30 7 50 6





Now, a friend is testing the vocalizer Tom and Samantha with 3-syllable words in sentences with lots of punctuationlike commas and dashes.



He is doing this to try to find problems which can be fixed during the beta. |

Four syllable words seem good.



Final point,the individual helps peoplewith JAWS which I myself have found very useful



I think the Tom voice is slightly muffled but it and Samantha are the easiest to listen to for long time periods.



Will keep you posted per the voice experiment.



Have a fine day.


Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Try Insert+6 to open Settings Center, then type capitalization in the search box and hit Down Arrow to explore any search results.
Actually, come to think of it, just type in the word "indicate" and the search will be more broad.


Chris

At 05:48 PM 10/7/2012, you wrote:
I just was informed on twitter, that there's somewhere in the settings centre about changing how capitals are spoken. As I hardly use JFW when I'm on windows and have an old version anyway, I'm not sure where this is.
I'd suggest looking around the settings centre.
Take care.

Matt
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On 2012-10-07, at 3:44 PM, Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@shaw.ca> wrote:

Hi Matt,

I only use my Mac at home. We use Windows 7 at work, and, it's
not possible to switch to a Mac platform at work.

Besides, proof-reading on the Mac is even more difficult, in my
opinion, because one cannot easily get indentation information. Also, sometimes VO doesn't indicate when a line is bulleted.

Thanks,

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-07, at 3:30 PM, Matt Dierckens
<matt.dierckens@gmail.com> wrote:

Russell.
Question for you. If you're on an IMac, why not just do your
proofreading with voiceover and textedit? Vocalizer on the mac can identify capitals in the VO utility. you can have it change pitch, play a tone, or say Cap
Matt
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On 2012-10-07, at 3:06 PM, Russell Solowoniuk
<rsolowoniuk@shaw.ca> wrote:

Hey Stephanie,

Yes, I'll probably end up doing something similar... use
Eloquence when I need to do major proof-reading. The main area I'm running into issues with not knowing whether or not a letter is in upper case is when composing email messages, and, for this I will simply press NumPad 5 3 times to get the ASCII value for a letter I'm trying to find the case of.

Best wishes,

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-02, at 2:56 PM, Stephanie Switzer
<emmanrusty@gmail.com> wrote:

Russell:
I've set Jaws so that it uses eloquence in microsoft word.
Because
that is the program where I need to edit things... usually.
It seems
stupid, but it works, and I'm able to catch the errors in my
papers
easier then if I just left it as realspeak like I did with
everything
else. I don't know if you can do this in versions of Jaws
that older
than 12. You should be able to, but that doesn't mean
anything. lol.
:) I'm not sure what your trying to fix or edit, but I hope
this helps
you. :)

On 10/2/12, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote:
Nuance's principal customer base is not visually impaired
people, so it
will
assume that they can see capitalization for themselves. I
suggest that all
of you experiencing this limitation contact FS to urge them
to ask Nuance
to
incorporate this capability into its software.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf
Of Guido Corona
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:19 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Russell, I have no information about FS plans, nor Nuance
plans for
Vocalizer. However, I have the suspicion that the lack of
pitch control may
be a Nuance implementation limitation rather than a JAWS flaw.

Guido


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf
Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

I hope you're not telling me that this is not going to be
fixed? Knowing
whether or not a letter is in upper case is extremely important
information,
especially in a work situation. Is there a setting to have
Jaws say
"Capital" on an uppercase letter then, if pitch change
isn't available?

Thanks,

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-01, at 8:15 PM, Guido Corona
<aloysiusq@gmail.com> wrote:

Unfortunately, the current implementation of Vocalizer for
JAWS 14
does not appear to support pitch changes. G.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf
Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 5:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Hi all,

I'm really beginning to like the new vocalizer voices. Is
there a way
to have the pitch change when on an upper case letter? I'm
using
Samantha, and there's no way to tell if a letter is
upper case. Is
this a bug? Anyone else noticing this?

Thanks,

Russell

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-10-01, at 12:46 PM, Chris Smart
<csmart8@cogeco.ca> wrote:

Hi folks.

Have any of you tried using the 4sync application, part
of the
4shared.com
service with Jaws?

It's quite similar to Dropbox, but so far, I haven't
managed to enter
my
account details in the 4sync application. I was able to
successfully
create an account on the Website 4shared.com though.

The account tab inside 4sync seems inaccessible, but
maybe I'm
missing
something obvious.

I'm hoping someone has gotten further with this than I
have, since
the
space and bandwidth available on this service are substantial.

Any tips folks?

thanks,

Chris

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Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

OK. I don't understand the issue here. Certainly, if the Vocalizer voices won't give you a pitch change, that's unfortunate. It isn't fatal, and there is a way that's much better than looking at ASCII values.
Just switch to one of the proof reading schemes with alt insert S.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 4:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Hey Stephanie,

Yes, I'll probably end up doing something similar... use Eloquence when I need to do major proof-reading. The main area I'm running into issues with not knowing whether or not a letter is in upper case is when composing email messages, and, for this I will simply press NumPad 5 3 times to get the ASCII value for a letter I'm trying to find the case of.

Best wishes,

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-02, at 2:56 PM, Stephanie Switzer <emmanrusty@gmail.com> wrote:

Russell:
I've set Jaws so that it uses eloquence in microsoft word. Because
that is the program where I need to edit things... usually. It seems
stupid, but it works, and I'm able to catch the errors in my papers
easier then if I just left it as realspeak like I did with everything
else. I don't know if you can do this in versions of Jaws that older
than 12. You should be able to, but that doesn't mean anything. lol.
:) I'm not sure what your trying to fix or edit, but I hope this helps
you. :)

On 10/2/12, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote:
Nuance's principal customer base is not visually impaired people, so it
will
assume that they can see capitalization for themselves. I suggest that all
of you experiencing this limitation contact FS to urge them to ask Nuance
to
incorporate this capability into its software.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Guido Corona
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:19 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Russell, I have no information about FS plans, nor Nuance plans for
Vocalizer. However, I have the suspicion that the lack of pitch control may
be a Nuance implementation limitation rather than a JAWS flaw.

Guido


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

I hope you're not telling me that this is not going to be fixed? Knowing
whether or not a letter is in upper case is extremely important
information,
especially in a work situation. Is there a setting to have Jaws say
"Capital" on an uppercase letter then, if pitch change isn't available?

Thanks,

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-01, at 8:15 PM, Guido Corona <aloysiusq@gmail.com> wrote:

Unfortunately, the current implementation of Vocalizer for JAWS 14
does not appear to support pitch changes. G.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 5:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Hi all,

I'm really beginning to like the new vocalizer voices. Is there a way
to have the pitch change when on an upper case letter? I'm using
Samantha, and there's no way to tell if a letter is upper case. Is
this a bug? Anyone else noticing this?

Thanks,

Russell

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-10-01, at 12:46 PM, Chris Smart <csmart8@cogeco.ca> wrote:

Hi folks.

Have any of you tried using the 4sync application, part of the
4shared.com
service with Jaws?

It's quite similar to Dropbox, but so far, I haven't managed to enter
my
account details in the 4sync application. I was able to successfully
create an account on the Website 4shared.com though.

The account tab inside 4sync seems inaccessible, but maybe I'm
missing
something obvious.

I'm hoping someone has gotten further with this than I have, since
the
space and bandwidth available on this service are substantial.

Any tips folks?

thanks,

Chris

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Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Matt Dierckens <matt.dierckens@...>
 

I just was informed on twitter, that there's somewhere in the settings centre about changing how capitals are spoken. As I hardly use JFW when I'm on windows and have an old version anyway, I'm not sure where this is.
I'd suggest looking around the settings centre.
Take care.

Matt
Sent from my mac
Twitter: matt692
msn: matt692@live.com
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On 2012-10-07, at 3:44 PM, Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@shaw.ca> wrote:

Hi Matt,

I only use my Mac at home. We use Windows 7 at work, and, it's not possible to switch to a Mac platform at work.

Besides, proof-reading on the Mac is even more difficult, in my opinion, because one cannot easily get indentation information. Also, sometimes VO doesn't indicate when a line is bulleted.

Thanks,

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-07, at 3:30 PM, Matt Dierckens <matt.dierckens@gmail.com> wrote:

Russell.
Question for you. If you're on an IMac, why not just do your proofreading with voiceover and textedit? Vocalizer on the mac can identify capitals in the VO utility. you can have it change pitch, play a tone, or say Cap
Matt
Sent from my mac
Twitter: matt692
msn: matt692@live.com
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On 2012-10-07, at 3:06 PM, Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@shaw.ca> wrote:

Hey Stephanie,

Yes, I'll probably end up doing something similar... use Eloquence when I need to do major proof-reading. The main area I'm running into issues with not knowing whether or not a letter is in upper case is when composing email messages, and, for this I will simply press NumPad 5 3 times to get the ASCII value for a letter I'm trying to find the case of.

Best wishes,

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-02, at 2:56 PM, Stephanie Switzer <emmanrusty@gmail.com> wrote:

Russell:
I've set Jaws so that it uses eloquence in microsoft word. Because
that is the program where I need to edit things... usually. It seems
stupid, but it works, and I'm able to catch the errors in my papers
easier then if I just left it as realspeak like I did with everything
else. I don't know if you can do this in versions of Jaws that older
than 12. You should be able to, but that doesn't mean anything. lol.
:) I'm not sure what your trying to fix or edit, but I hope this helps
you. :)

On 10/2/12, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote:
Nuance's principal customer base is not visually impaired people, so it
will
assume that they can see capitalization for themselves. I suggest that all
of you experiencing this limitation contact FS to urge them to ask Nuance
to
incorporate this capability into its software.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Guido Corona
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:19 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Russell, I have no information about FS plans, nor Nuance plans for
Vocalizer. However, I have the suspicion that the lack of pitch control may
be a Nuance implementation limitation rather than a JAWS flaw.

Guido


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

I hope you're not telling me that this is not going to be fixed? Knowing
whether or not a letter is in upper case is extremely important
information,
especially in a work situation. Is there a setting to have Jaws say
"Capital" on an uppercase letter then, if pitch change isn't available?

Thanks,

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-01, at 8:15 PM, Guido Corona <aloysiusq@gmail.com> wrote:

Unfortunately, the current implementation of Vocalizer for JAWS 14
does not appear to support pitch changes. G.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 5:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Hi all,

I'm really beginning to like the new vocalizer voices. Is there a way
to have the pitch change when on an upper case letter? I'm using
Samantha, and there's no way to tell if a letter is upper case. Is
this a bug? Anyone else noticing this?

Thanks,

Russell

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-10-01, at 12:46 PM, Chris Smart <csmart8@cogeco.ca> wrote:

Hi folks.

Have any of you tried using the 4sync application, part of the
4shared.com
service with Jaws?

It's quite similar to Dropbox, but so far, I haven't managed to enter
my
account details in the 4sync application. I was able to successfully
create an account on the Website 4shared.com though.

The account tab inside 4sync seems inaccessible, but maybe I'm
missing
something obvious.

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the
space and bandwidth available on this service are substantial.

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thanks,

Chris

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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@...>
 

Some are young, some are middle-aged, and, yes, some are seniors!

Russell
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On 2012-10-07, at 2:51 PM, Chris Smart <csmart8@cogeco.ca> wrote:



how many of those people are seniors? don't forget that probably three quarters of the visually-impaired population are elderly.

At 04:50 PM 10/7/2012, you wrote:
Very odd statistics... what are they based on? You say less than 10% of blind people use computers with a screen reader? I'd say that 95% of the people I know who are blind, and, I know a lot of people who are blind, use a computer with a screen reader, and, most of these use Jaws. I'm not criticizing you, just wonder how you arrive at your stats.

Russell
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On 2012-10-02, at 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:


There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people use JAWS. There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US classified as legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less than 10% use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority of blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind people are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of JAWS users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing lists, so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so nobody really knows how many blind people are actually using it. But if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is only a wild guess not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition has information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line. Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be on the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone on the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere even though, in some instances, the interests were not always congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


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Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@...>
 

Hi Matt,

I only use my Mac at home. We use Windows 7 at work, and, it's not possible to switch to a Mac platform at work.

Besides, proof-reading on the Mac is even more difficult, in my opinion, because one cannot easily get indentation information. Also, sometimes VO doesn't indicate when a line is bulleted.

Thanks,

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-07, at 3:30 PM, Matt Dierckens <matt.dierckens@gmail.com> wrote:

Russell.
Question for you. If you're on an IMac, why not just do your proofreading with voiceover and textedit? Vocalizer on the mac can identify capitals in the VO utility. you can have it change pitch, play a tone, or say Cap
Matt
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On 2012-10-07, at 3:06 PM, Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@shaw.ca> wrote:

Hey Stephanie,

Yes, I'll probably end up doing something similar... use Eloquence when I need to do major proof-reading. The main area I'm running into issues with not knowing whether or not a letter is in upper case is when composing email messages, and, for this I will simply press NumPad 5 3 times to get the ASCII value for a letter I'm trying to find the case of.

Best wishes,

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-02, at 2:56 PM, Stephanie Switzer <emmanrusty@gmail.com> wrote:

Russell:
I've set Jaws so that it uses eloquence in microsoft word. Because
that is the program where I need to edit things... usually. It seems
stupid, but it works, and I'm able to catch the errors in my papers
easier then if I just left it as realspeak like I did with everything
else. I don't know if you can do this in versions of Jaws that older
than 12. You should be able to, but that doesn't mean anything. lol.
:) I'm not sure what your trying to fix or edit, but I hope this helps
you. :)

On 10/2/12, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote:
Nuance's principal customer base is not visually impaired people, so it
will
assume that they can see capitalization for themselves. I suggest that all
of you experiencing this limitation contact FS to urge them to ask Nuance
to
incorporate this capability into its software.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Guido Corona
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:19 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Russell, I have no information about FS plans, nor Nuance plans for
Vocalizer. However, I have the suspicion that the lack of pitch control may
be a Nuance implementation limitation rather than a JAWS flaw.

Guido


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

I hope you're not telling me that this is not going to be fixed? Knowing
whether or not a letter is in upper case is extremely important
information,
especially in a work situation. Is there a setting to have Jaws say
"Capital" on an uppercase letter then, if pitch change isn't available?

Thanks,

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-01, at 8:15 PM, Guido Corona <aloysiusq@gmail.com> wrote:

Unfortunately, the current implementation of Vocalizer for JAWS 14
does not appear to support pitch changes. G.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 5:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Hi all,

I'm really beginning to like the new vocalizer voices. Is there a way
to have the pitch change when on an upper case letter? I'm using
Samantha, and there's no way to tell if a letter is upper case. Is
this a bug? Anyone else noticing this?

Thanks,

Russell

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-10-01, at 12:46 PM, Chris Smart <csmart8@cogeco.ca> wrote:

Hi folks.

Have any of you tried using the 4sync application, part of the
4shared.com
service with Jaws?

It's quite similar to Dropbox, but so far, I haven't managed to enter
my
account details in the 4sync application. I was able to successfully
create an account on the Website 4shared.com though.

The account tab inside 4sync seems inaccessible, but maybe I'm
missing
something obvious.

I'm hoping someone has gotten further with this than I have, since
the
space and bandwidth available on this service are substantial.

Any tips folks?

thanks,

Chris

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Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Matt Dierckens <matt.dierckens@...>
 

Russell.
Question for you. If you're on an IMac, why not just do your proofreading with voiceover and textedit? Vocalizer on the mac can identify capitals in the VO utility. you can have it change pitch, play a tone, or say Cap
Matt
Sent from my mac
Twitter: matt692
msn: matt692@live.com
skype: blindman3221

On 2012-10-07, at 3:06 PM, Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@shaw.ca> wrote:

Hey Stephanie,

Yes, I'll probably end up doing something similar... use Eloquence when I need to do major proof-reading. The main area I'm running into issues with not knowing whether or not a letter is in upper case is when composing email messages, and, for this I will simply press NumPad 5 3 times to get the ASCII value for a letter I'm trying to find the case of.

Best wishes,

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-02, at 2:56 PM, Stephanie Switzer <emmanrusty@gmail.com> wrote:

Russell:
I've set Jaws so that it uses eloquence in microsoft word. Because
that is the program where I need to edit things... usually. It seems
stupid, but it works, and I'm able to catch the errors in my papers
easier then if I just left it as realspeak like I did with everything
else. I don't know if you can do this in versions of Jaws that older
than 12. You should be able to, but that doesn't mean anything. lol.
:) I'm not sure what your trying to fix or edit, but I hope this helps
you. :)

On 10/2/12, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote:
Nuance's principal customer base is not visually impaired people, so it
will
assume that they can see capitalization for themselves. I suggest that all
of you experiencing this limitation contact FS to urge them to ask Nuance
to
incorporate this capability into its software.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Guido Corona
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:19 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Russell, I have no information about FS plans, nor Nuance plans for
Vocalizer. However, I have the suspicion that the lack of pitch control may
be a Nuance implementation limitation rather than a JAWS flaw.

Guido


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

I hope you're not telling me that this is not going to be fixed? Knowing
whether or not a letter is in upper case is extremely important
information,
especially in a work situation. Is there a setting to have Jaws say
"Capital" on an uppercase letter then, if pitch change isn't available?

Thanks,

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-01, at 8:15 PM, Guido Corona <aloysiusq@gmail.com> wrote:

Unfortunately, the current implementation of Vocalizer for JAWS 14
does not appear to support pitch changes. G.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 5:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Capital letter indication with vocalizer voices

Hi all,

I'm really beginning to like the new vocalizer voices. Is there a way
to have the pitch change when on an upper case letter? I'm using
Samantha, and there's no way to tell if a letter is upper case. Is
this a bug? Anyone else noticing this?

Thanks,

Russell

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-10-01, at 12:46 PM, Chris Smart <csmart8@cogeco.ca> wrote:

Hi folks.

Have any of you tried using the 4sync application, part of the
4shared.com
service with Jaws?

It's quite similar to Dropbox, but so far, I haven't managed to enter
my
account details in the 4sync application. I was able to successfully
create an account on the Website 4shared.com though.

The account tab inside 4sync seems inaccessible, but maybe I'm
missing
something obvious.

I'm hoping someone has gotten further with this than I have, since
the
space and bandwidth available on this service are substantial.

Any tips folks?

thanks,

Chris

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