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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Cy Selfridge
 

Hmm, I am a Senior and I know a whole lot of Seniors who use the computer as
it gives us a great way to "get out" and communicate with others.
Now, with the advent of the iPhone and Android a lot of folks who used to
use the computer now use the phone.
I suppose there are still a lot of blind (as well as other handicapped
people) who are satisfied tojust sit on their asses and veg out.
Cy, The Humble Guy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 2:52 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific Petition



how many of those people are seniors? don't forget that probably three
quarters of the visually-impaired population are elderly.

At 04:50 PM 10/7/2012, you wrote:
Very odd statistics... what are they based on? You say less than 10%
of blind people use computers with a screen reader? I'd say that 95%
of the people I know who are blind, and, I know a lot of people who are
blind, use a computer with a screen reader, and, most of these use
Jaws. I'm not criticizing you, just wonder how you arrive at your
stats.

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-02, at 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
wrote:


There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people
use JAWS. There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US
classified as legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less
than 10% use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority
of blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS
users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind people
are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring
computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of JAWS
users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing lists,
so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS keeps
the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so nobody
really knows how many blind people are actually using it. But if I had
to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS users might be
somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is only a wild guess
not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I
have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of
JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a
success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition has
information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does
anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a
reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for suggestions
here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line.
Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of
off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward
when it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are
some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be on
the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone on
the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better
and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere
even though, in some instances, the interests were not always
congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I
actually started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up
before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

how many of those people are seniors? don't forget that probably three quarters of the visually-impaired population are elderly.

At 04:50 PM 10/7/2012, you wrote:
Very odd statistics... what are they based on? You say less than 10% of blind people use computers with a screen reader? I'd say that 95% of the people I know who are blind, and, I know a lot of people who are blind, use a computer with a screen reader, and, most of these use Jaws. I'm not criticizing you, just wonder how you arrive at your stats.

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-02, at 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:


There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people
use JAWS. There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US classified as legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less than 10% use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority of blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind people are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of JAWS users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing lists, so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so nobody really knows how many blind people are actually using it. But if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is only a wild guess not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed"
<Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick
Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a
sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition has information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line. Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward
when it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be on the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone on the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've
tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere even though, in some instances, the interests were not always congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I
actually started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
1010 Grand Boulevard
Suite 500
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ed.marquette@kutakrock.com




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Re: Freedom Scientific Petition

Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@...>
 

Very odd statistics... what are they based on? You say less than 10% of blind people use computers with a screen reader? I'd say that 95% of the people I know who are blind, and, I know a lot of people who are blind, use a computer with a screen reader, and, most of these use Jaws. I'm not criticizing you, just wonder how you arrive at your stats.

Russell
Sent from my iMac running Mountain Lion!

On 2012-10-02, at 10:24 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:


There is absolutely no way that two thirds of all blind people use JAWS. There are an estimated 1.2 million people in the US classified as legally blind, but only a small fraction, perhaps less than 10% use computers with screen readers. The overwhelming majority of blind people do not use computers, so the actual number of JAWS users is probably quite small. Also, an estimated 70% of blind people are unemployed, so they would have little or no means of acquiring computers or commercial screen readers. And the vast majority of JAWS users do not belong to this or other blind-tech related mailing lists, so they would have no way of learning about the petition. FS keeps the number of JAWS customers a closely guarded secret, so nobody really knows how many blind people are actually using it. But if I had to venture a guess, I would say that the number of JAWS users might be somewhere between 50,000 and 150,000, but this is only a wild guess not based on any facts or evidence.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: Freedom Scientific Petition


All:
As promised, I am about to put the Freedom Scientific "Gimmick Feature Moratorium" petition up on the Internet. Before doing so, I have a couple of questions:

1. The Change.org petition form suggests (perhaps requires) a sign-up goal. I'd be interested in suggestions as to the number of JAWS users that should sign such a petition to be considered a success. One of those helping with the drafting of the petition has information that two thirds of all blind persons use JAWS. Does anyone have any idea how many people that is? What would be a reasonable percentage of signers to expect? Looking for suggestions here. I'm happy to accept responses off-line. Although this is JAWS-related, I don't want to spark a flurry of off-topic discussions again.
2. Change.org is, to my way of thinking, a little awkward when it comes to screen reader usage. It isn't bad, but there are some less than intuitive prompts. I would like this petition to be on the most accessible public petition Website possible. Would anyone on the list perhaps know of a site for a public petition that is better and/or more accessible than is Change.org?
Thanks to the off-line support and drafting assistance. We've tried to accommodate the views expressed on this list and elsewhere even though, in some instances, the interests were not always congruent.
In the petition, we have not cited specific issues. I actually started to do that, but I wanted to get the petition up before Christmas. <SMILE>
Thanks for all your help!


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
1010 Grand Boulevard
Suite 500
Kansas City, MO 64106
ed.marquette@kutakrock.com




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Re: What antispyware works well with JFW 10 and up on 7 or XP?

Kevin Turnbaugh <kdtlkt83@...>
 

I run Symantec, and I have never had any problems even with upgrades to
JAWS. I have run this software from 10.0 to my current version of 13.0
without any issues at all.

Kevin Turnbaugh
New Oxford, PA

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Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:47 PM
To: jfw
Subject: What antispyware works well with JFW 10 and up on 7 or XP?

I just recommended Spybot Search and Destroy to someone with a Windows
7 system and JAWS 11. I tried it on my XP+JAWS10 system, and we both
had disastrous results with accessibility, plus my machine hung itself
on the next-to-last file being scanned. I have subsequently removed
SS&D from my system. My friend who was trying it along with me
unfortunately did something I would never recommend anyone do--namely,
he clicked the "Fix problems" button, and his system will no longer
run JAWS! I'm sure he'll fix that on his own. But I thought before
going back and trying another one of these things, I'd ask in here and
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Antispyware Doctor, etc., in terms of accessibility. SS&D sure didn't
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Re: Karlen Communications and Karen McCall books

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

JFW 13

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 9:41 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Karlen Communications and Karen McCall books

Good Morning: Which version of Jaws are you using?
Your Friend Dave


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Karlen Communications and Karen McCall books

I actually talked to Karen. She is a very nice and quite knowledgeable MS
Office person.
I bought one of her book packages on MS Office. It is on Office 2007, but I
figure the changes to 2010 won't be that difficult to master.
My challenge is my lack of familiarity with using PDF documents. I almost
always convert them to Word. Karen's book, however, is protected, and I
understand that.
The main part of the book (and there are separate sample files and sample
summary files, including a summary of ribbon commands in Excel format) is a
huge PDF file. After 20 minutes of trying to load it, I killed the
operation and, in accessibility options, set Acrobat to read in chunks if
the file is greater than 10 pages.
I read the JAWS help topics on Acrobat and learned stuff I already knew,
e.g., the quick keys and other HTML reading commands work.
What about reliably going from page to page and landing at the top of the
page? Control pagedown does not work reliably. Using the Acrobat View, Go
to, Next page command doesn't work reliably. Right arrow key does not work
at all.
Anything I'm missing? Surely, something like this, which is supposed to be
accessable to screen readers, should be accessable.
With JAWS it is also painfully slow. Five seconds to go from one page to
the next is not acceptable.


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Re: Karlen Communications and Karen McCall books

dave grossoehme
 

Good Morning: Which version of Jaws are you using?
Your Friend Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Karlen Communications and Karen McCall books

I actually talked to Karen. She is a very nice and quite knowledgeable MS
Office person.
I bought one of her book packages on MS Office. It is on Office 2007, but I
figure the changes to 2010 won't be that difficult to master.
My challenge is my lack of familiarity with using PDF documents. I almost
always convert them to Word. Karen's book, however, is protected, and I
understand that.
The main part of the book (and there are separate sample files and sample
summary files, including a summary of ribbon commands in Excel format) is a
huge PDF file. After 20 minutes of trying to load it, I killed the
operation and, in accessibility options, set Acrobat to read in chunks if
the file is greater than 10 pages.
I read the JAWS help topics on Acrobat and learned stuff I already knew,
e.g., the quick keys and other HTML reading commands work.
What about reliably going from page to page and landing at the top of the
page? Control pagedown does not work reliably. Using the Acrobat View, Go
to, Next page command doesn't work reliably. Right arrow key does not work
at all.
Anything I'm missing? Surely, something like this, which is supposed to be
accessable to screen readers, should be accessable.
With JAWS it is also painfully slow. Five seconds to go from one page to
the next is not acceptable.


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
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Re: JAWS staying silent when typing passwords in Internet Explorer

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

You may have changed how the star symbol is spoken in your punctuation settings. You probably want it set on "some" or "none" so that it is spoken when it is encountered by JAWS.

There may be other settings which affect this, but this is the first which comes to my mind.

Thank you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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To: "JAWS for Windows List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 2:26 AM
Subject: JAWS staying silent when typing passwords in Internet Explorer



Dear Friends,

JAWS has been staying silent for the past couple of days when I am typing passwords in Internet Explorer. But it says "star, star" when I type the password on the same website using Firefox. Kindly inform me which setting I might have accidently changed to mute JAWS during typing of passwords in Internet Explorer.

I am using JAWS 13 on a Windows XP system with Internet Explorer version 8.

Thanking all in advance for any & all assistance.

Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mumbai, India
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Re: What antispyware works well with JFW 10 and up on 7 or XP?

david <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello;
You may want to try;

Malware bytes,
Super anti spyware,
Both programs have a free and a pay version.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What antispyware works well with JFW 10 and up on 7 or XP?

nononono.
go with Microsoft Security Esentials. It's free and accessible.



At 07:47 PM 10/6/2012, you wrote:
I just recommended Spybot Search and Destroy to someone with a Windows
7 system and JAWS 11. I tried it on my XP+JAWS10 system, and we both
had disastrous results with accessibility, plus my machine hung itself
on the next-to-last file being scanned. I have subsequently removed
SS&D from my system. My friend who was trying it along with me
unfortunately did something I would never recommend anyone do--namely,
he clicked the "Fix problems" button, and his system will no longer
run JAWS! I'm sure he'll fix that on his own. But I thought before
going back and trying another one of these things, I'd ask in here and
see what people know and think about things like SS&D, Super
Antispyware Doctor, etc., in terms of accessibility. SS&D sure didn't
have it.

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JAWS staying silent when typing passwords in Internet Explorer

Sameer
 

Dear Friends,

JAWS has been staying silent for the past couple of days when I am typing passwords in Internet Explorer. But it says "star, star" when I type the password on the same website using Firefox. Kindly inform me which setting I might have accidently changed to mute JAWS during typing of passwords in Internet Explorer.

I am using JAWS 13 on a Windows XP system with Internet Explorer version 8.

Thanking all in advance for any & all assistance.

Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mumbai, India
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Re: What antispyware works well with JFW 10 and up on 7 or XP?

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

nononono.
go with Microsoft Security Esentials. It's free and accessible.



At 07:47 PM 10/6/2012, you wrote:
I just recommended Spybot Search and Destroy to someone with a Windows
7 system and JAWS 11. I tried it on my XP+JAWS10 system, and we both
had disastrous results with accessibility, plus my machine hung itself
on the next-to-last file being scanned. I have subsequently removed
SS&D from my system. My friend who was trying it along with me
unfortunately did something I would never recommend anyone do--namely,
he clicked the "Fix problems" button, and his system will no longer
run JAWS! I'm sure he'll fix that on his own. But I thought before
going back and trying another one of these things, I'd ask in here and
see what people know and think about things like SS&D, Super
Antispyware Doctor, etc., in terms of accessibility. SS&D sure didn't
have it.

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What antispyware works well with JFW 10 and up on 7 or XP?

Steve Matzura
 

I just recommended Spybot Search and Destroy to someone with a Windows
7 system and JAWS 11. I tried it on my XP+JAWS10 system, and we both
had disastrous results with accessibility, plus my machine hung itself
on the next-to-last file being scanned. I have subsequently removed
SS&D from my system. My friend who was trying it along with me
unfortunately did something I would never recommend anyone do--namely,
he clicked the "Fix problems" button, and his system will no longer
run JAWS! I'm sure he'll fix that on his own. But I thought before
going back and trying another one of these things, I'd ask in here and
see what people know and think about things like SS&D, Super
Antispyware Doctor, etc., in terms of accessibility. SS&D sure didn't
have it.


Re: Making JAWS read the date and time that one received an e-mailmessage in Windows Mail in Windows 7

Roy Nickelson <roylee@...>
 

try alt+2 while reading the message
Roy

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Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 7:07 PM
Subject: Making JAWS read the date and time that one received an
e-mailmessage in Windows Mail in Windows 7


Hi,
Is there any JAWS keystroke or command to make Windows Mail actually read
when a message was sent like the date and the time?

If not, is there some setting?


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Re: JAWS not speaking

Dani Pagador
 

Hi, Henry.
The thing that comes to mind is, check the sound card JFW wants to use. I'm
assuming you're using JFW13. It's the fourth item under the Utilities menu.

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Jr.
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:54 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: JAWS not speaking

HELP!!!!i was moving my computer from one area of the room and when I put
everything back together JAWS stop talking. The speakers are fine because, I
can play music on my computer fine. I unloaded JAWS and removed all the
settings and reloaded it but, it still doesn't speak. I can tandom the same
computer with my laptop and that works fine. All the functionality of JAWS
is there but, it just won'tspeak.

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Making JAWS read the date and time that one received an e-mail message in Windows Mail in Windows 7

ptusing <ptusing@...>
 

Hi,
Is there any JAWS keystroke or command to make Windows Mail actually read when a message was sent like the date and the time?

If not, is there some setting?


JAWS not speaking

HH. Smith Jr.
 

HELP!!!!i was moving my computer from one area of the room and when I put
everything back together JAWS stop talking. The speakers are fine because, I
can play music on my computer fine. I unloaded JAWS and removed all the
settings and reloaded it but, it still doesn't speak. I can tandom the same
computer with my laptop and that works fine. All the functionality of JAWS
is there but, it just won'tspeak.

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SOS Online Backup with JAWS

Jeff Blair <jeff_blair@...>
 

Does anyone use the SOS Online Backup service? If so, is it compatible with
JAWS?





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Re: Face Book Question

Deb and the girls
 

Yes, I have seen those kinds of things on find friends.
I am not able to see who is on chat.


Re: Karlen Communications and Karen McCall books

Adrian Spratt
 

Ed,

I don't know if this is an option for you and your office, but Adobe Reader
X, the X standing for 10, is considerably more accessibility-friendly than
previous versions. I can't promise it will solve your problems, but it
might.

Also, when I convert PDF documents with OmniPage, I find the convert to text
more reliable than other conversion options (RTF, etc.). Of course, it
probably won't preserve the PDF formatting, but I don't worry about that
when the document is for my own needs.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Karlen Communications and Karen McCall books

Thanks for the several suggestions. In terms of the questions asked, here
are my answers:
In Acrobat, under the File menu, there is an export to text option. I
almost never use it. The OmniPage suite comes with a PDF converter. I can
either convert from PDF directly to Word from an email attachment, save to
disk and convert to Word or Excel in Windows Explorer, or scan with
OmniPate. Each options will do OCR. OmniPage is truly an awesome product.
Of course, it doesn't work on protected documents. Save to text also
doesn't work with protected documents.
2. I'm using, no surprise, JAWS 13. I still haven't fixed my corrupted
JAWS 12. I'm in Windows 7 (32 Bit), and I'm using Acrobat 9.4.

3. I've tried the quick key commands, but they don't seem to work across
pages. I wish "p" took you to the next page in a PDF document.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of ptusing
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:56 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Karlen Communications and Karen McCall books

Thanks, Ed for asking these questions.

Also, how does one export the pdf document to text?

Thanks.

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From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:28 PM
Subject: Karlen Communications and Karen McCall books


I actually talked to Karen. She is a very nice and quite knowledgeable MS
Office person.
I bought one of her book packages on MS Office. It is on Office 2007, but
I figure the changes to 2010 won't be that difficult to master.
My challenge is my lack of familiarity with using PDF documents. I almost
always convert them to Word. Karen's book, however, is protected, and I
understand that.
The main part of the book (and there are separate sample files and sample
summary files, including a summary of ribbon commands in Excel format) is
a huge PDF file. After 20 minutes of trying to load it, I killed the
operation and, in accessibility options, set Acrobat to read in chunks if
the file is greater than 10 pages.
I read the JAWS help topics on Acrobat and learned stuff I already knew,
e.g., the quick keys and other HTML reading commands work.
What about reliably going from page to page and landing at the top of the
page? Control pagedown does not work reliably. Using the Acrobat View,
Go to, Next page command doesn't work reliably. Right arrow key does not
work at all.
Anything I'm missing? Surely, something like this, which is supposed to
be accessable to screen readers, should be accessable.
With JAWS it is also painfully slow. Five seconds to go from one page to
the next is not acceptable.


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Re: Face Book Question

Bill Lenfestey
 

Thanks. This app really works great from the computer. I have two
questions. Is there a Live Chat option and can you tell who's online?
Also, can you expand the Find Friend search to include schools or other
elements of a person's profile?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 3:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Face Book Question

You can use the mobile site from your PC as well.
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: Face Book Question


not much other than using the various quick navigation keys in your
browser to jump to edit fields, buttons, etc. as you would on most
web pages.



At 02:58 PM 10/6/2012, you wrote:
I'll be getting my first IPhone next week so I will try
it. However, what I
want right now is some way to simplify use from a computer. Any
hints?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Chris Smart
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Face Book Question

ah. well it is greatly ssimplified, for people using phones and other
portable devices.



At 12:41 PM 10/6/2012, you wrote:
No. I've never heard of it before.


-----Original Message-----
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Chris Smart
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:58 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Face Book Question



I assume you already know about the mobile version of the site
http://m.facebook.com


At 10:34 AM 10/6/2012, you wrote:


When I began using Face Book in 2010, it was reasonably easy
to use.
However, because of changes the developers have made over the
past two
years, it now seems almost impossible to use. When I attempt to
use hot
keys to go to links, either I don't go there or I can't tell
that the
desired link has opened up. It also seems that the Face Book
pages are so
muich more "visual" than they used to be that it's hard to find
what I'm
looking for among all the links I don't want. Does anybody have
any tips on
using Face Book?


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Re: Karlen Communications and Karen McCall books

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Thanks for the several suggestions. In terms of the questions asked, here are my answers:
In Acrobat, under the File menu, there is an export to text option. I almost never use it. The OmniPage suite comes with a PDF converter. I can either convert from PDF directly to Word from an email attachment, save to disk and convert to Word or Excel in Windows Explorer, or scan with OmniPate. Each options will do OCR. OmniPage is truly an awesome product. Of course, it doesn't work on protected documents. Save to text also doesn't work with protected documents.
2. I'm using, no surprise, JAWS 13. I still haven't fixed my corrupted JAWS 12. I'm in Windows 7 (32 Bit), and I'm using Acrobat 9.4.

3. I've tried the quick key commands, but they don't seem to work across pages. I wish "p" took you to the next page in a PDF document.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of ptusing
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:56 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Karlen Communications and Karen McCall books

Thanks, Ed for asking these questions.

Also, how does one export the pdf document to text?

Thanks.

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:28 PM
Subject: Karlen Communications and Karen McCall books


I actually talked to Karen. She is a very nice and quite knowledgeable MS
Office person.
I bought one of her book packages on MS Office. It is on Office 2007, but
I figure the changes to 2010 won't be that difficult to master.
My challenge is my lack of familiarity with using PDF documents. I almost
always convert them to Word. Karen's book, however, is protected, and I
understand that.
The main part of the book (and there are separate sample files and sample
summary files, including a summary of ribbon commands in Excel format) is
a huge PDF file. After 20 minutes of trying to load it, I killed the
operation and, in accessibility options, set Acrobat to read in chunks if
the file is greater than 10 pages.
I read the JAWS help topics on Acrobat and learned stuff I already knew,
e.g., the quick keys and other HTML reading commands work.
What about reliably going from page to page and landing at the top of the
page? Control pagedown does not work reliably. Using the Acrobat View,
Go to, Next page command doesn't work reliably. Right arrow key does not
work at all.
Anything I'm missing? Surely, something like this, which is supposed to
be accessable to screen readers, should be accessable.
With JAWS it is also painfully slow. Five seconds to go from one page to
the next is not acceptable.


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Mobile: 816.812.0088
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