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JAWS and PAC Mates

Richard Holloway
 

At the last NFB Convention in Dallas (last month) someone at the FS booth mentioned that one can apparently fully-enable demo Jaws on any PC by plugging a PAC Mate into the PC with a USB cable.

How long has this worked? The only machine I have JAWS on here is already setup with a license (Jaws 11), but I'd love it if my daughter could use JAWS on other computers, say at a friend's house, for example if she just plugged in a PAC Mate.

Is there a way to check before trying-- some software version number perhaps? It is a PAC Mate Omni that we bought when they were still fairly new (2007-ish maybe?) and we had a couple of years of SMA's and all of those extended service things.

It sort of killed me thinking we could have possibly had the same functionality at home this way without the extra $1000 expense, but I don't know if this capacity came out later or if we were just never told we had bought this feature.


Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

James Homuth
 

Sounds like your problem falls largely on FS tech support, as their own
documentation when 64-bit Vista was released said JAWS 9 will absolutely not
work on 64-bit Vista. There was no 64-bit version of JAWS 9, because at the
time, that was still relatively new in the Windows community--most computers
barely warranted running 64-bit in 2007. Having done tech support for a
computer manufacturer, I can tell you for sure in the early days of Vista
64-bit, you didn't need to be running JAWS or Window Eyes to be having
problems. It's just that if you were, you found those problems a whole lot
quicker and a whole lot harder to deal with.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: August 3, 2011 12:15 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Right, but it doesn't matter why an item doesn't (or a few items don't) work
nearly as much as what can happen if you do try and use problematic
software. That's sort of my entire point. If everyone had current versions
of software and new hardware, none of this would ever come up in the first
place...

If someone is going from a 32-bit setup to a 64-bit and they don't know
about the potential problem, they can end up in a real jam if they try to
load something like JAWS 9 on a 64-bit PC. At least in some cases, it can
completely trash the OS and make the machine non-bootable. When this
happened to us, the only safe fix was to wipe the drive clean and install a
fresh operating system, so even if this were the only 32-bit program that
had issues (and it isn't) that alone makes a bit of caution prudent.

I'm just wanting to help people avoid what happened to us several years ago,
and the very fact that there aren't a lot of 32-bit packages that cause this
kind of a disaster makes it all the more likely that even a professional
computer tech might figure the old version is safe to try and load, trashing
your operating system in the attempt, possibly causing other data loss or
any number of other frustrations.

This is sort of like explaining to someone who has never had a computer
virus how important it is to avoid getting a computer virus. Once it happens
to you, it makes a lot more sense, and you REALLY wish you had known before
you took certain chances. Otherwise, why would someone carry on about it so
much?

It is also worth mentioning again that 32-bit virus protection, is generally
a problem with 64-bit setups, as are certain 32-bit database programs and
CAD programs. Anything 32-bit with embedded drivers will probably be an
issue and there may be problems finding certain external driver solutions
for some equipment (especially older pieces). Also, if you have any really
old 16-bit applications, I'm not aware of a solution to run them under a
64-bit system. (It might be possible by running an emulator under another
emulator, but I've only personally done that with Macs.) Those are the items
that come to my mind, and surely there are many more which I'm not aware of.
Some problems may be greater than others depending on which 64-bit OS you're
running (Vista, vs. Windows 7, for example.)

I'm rather new to the JAWS world and to this listserv, so I ask questions
that a new user may tend to ask, but I've been dealing with computers quite
heavily since the very early 1980's. I'm not trying to make myself sound
like some super-expert, but I have been around the block a time or two. I'm
just trying to make certain people understand there are risks associated
with these upgrades if they are not fully researched. Even as a fairly
knowledgable computer user, I ended up with a trashed OS from trying to load
32-bit JAWS 9 on a 64-bit Vista PC, so can this happen to others. My big
mistake was that I had just asked Freedom Scientific what the (then-current)
JAWS 9 worked on, so I didn't think twice about loading this on a new 64-bit
machine a week or so later. How many here would question their computer tech
if told "oh yes, you can run any 32-bit software on your new setup, just
give me your JAWS 9 disks and I'll load that up for you on the your new
machine"? Until this happened to me, I'd have trusted such a tech as well.

If people don't want to use my bad experience to avoid a huge mess on their
computer, so be it, and I know this is much less likely to happen very often
than back in 2007. I'm just trying to help if a few people might not know
about this stuff. This isn't theoretical, it happened to me, it was
repeatable (tech support initially initially had me wipe the drive
repeatedly and reinstall Vista and JAWS) and it wasted more hours of my time
than I even care to remember. So if people want to ignore my advice, no
worries; they'll figure this out in their own way...


On Aug 2, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Steve wrote:

That's because Jaws 9 wasn't out in a 64-bit version.

Jaws and Win-eyes are too tightly embedded with the operating system, so
those are the main exceptions; you need the Jaws 64-bit version to run on a
64-bit machine. The first 64-bit version of Jaws was 10, and the first
64-bit version of Win Eyes was 7.1.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway"
<rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit


Well, JAWS 9 comes to mind (which absolutely destroyed the OS on our
Vista PC when we bought a 64-bit machine), at least under Vista, as well as
most (if not all) virus protection software.

It can be really hit, or miss... (buyer beware).

-RH

On Jul 30, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Steve wrote:

Richard,

I don't know of any 32-bit programs that won't run on a 64-bit system,
although I suppose there may be some. But, that is what the Programs\x86
folder is for, that's where the 32-bit programs that run in Win 7 or Vista
64-bit editions live.

Jaws is available in either 32 or 64-bit editions. If you have the Jaws
installation DVD, it will recognize which version you need for your system;
if not, just go to the FS site and download the correct version.
Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.

Steve
Lansing, MI
----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway"
<rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit


32 vs. 64 bit has to do with the way the computer physically addresses
the data; literally 32 or 64 pieces of information at a time (specifically
that many ones or zeros at a time-- that's what a "bit" is, a one or a zero
in binary computing. Multiple bits comprise a byte. Enough bytes make a "k",
then megs, gigs, etc.)

You must run the correct bit OS on the appropriate processor.
Applications vary. You can run some 32 bit applications on some 64 bit
machines which I assume requires some sort of emulation mode by the OS which
may be transparent to the user. 64 bit applications won't work for 32 bit.

JAWS 9 was 32 bit only. At the time that was out, Freedom told me they
had no intention of supporting 64 bit machines in the future. Once most new
machines started going 32 bit, they changed their tune a bit. (Pun
intended.)

I assume current JAWS has a dual installer that works on both? I know
both are currently supported one way or another.

Sent from my iPad
On Jul 30, 2011, at 5:00 PM, "Crystal French" <raincrow@clearwire.net>
wrote:32

Hi,
I have Jaws 12, but have reverted to Jaws 11 as 12 was crashing too
often.

I'm afraid I need to think seriously about a new computer.

I'm still with XP Home.

Can someone tell me what would be the major difference between Windows
7 32 bit or 64 bit?

Thanks.
Crystal



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Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Richard Holloway
 

Right, but it doesn't matter why an item doesn't (or a few items don't) work nearly as much as what can happen if you do try and use problematic software. That's sort of my entire point. If everyone had current versions of software and new hardware, none of this would ever come up in the first place...

If someone is going from a 32-bit setup to a 64-bit and they don't know about the potential problem, they can end up in a real jam if they try to load something like JAWS 9 on a 64-bit PC. At least in some cases, it can completely trash the OS and make the machine non-bootable. When this happened to us, the only safe fix was to wipe the drive clean and install a fresh operating system, so even if this were the only 32-bit program that had issues (and it isn't) that alone makes a bit of caution prudent.

I'm just wanting to help people avoid what happened to us several years ago, and the very fact that there aren't a lot of 32-bit packages that cause this kind of a disaster makes it all the more likely that even a professional computer tech might figure the old version is safe to try and load, trashing your operating system in the attempt, possibly causing other data loss or any number of other frustrations.

This is sort of like explaining to someone who has never had a computer virus how important it is to avoid getting a computer virus. Once it happens to you, it makes a lot more sense, and you REALLY wish you had known before you took certain chances. Otherwise, why would someone carry on about it so much?

It is also worth mentioning again that 32-bit virus protection, is generally a problem with 64-bit setups, as are certain 32-bit database programs and CAD programs. Anything 32-bit with embedded drivers will probably be an issue and there may be problems finding certain external driver solutions for some equipment (especially older pieces). Also, if you have any really old 16-bit applications, I'm not aware of a solution to run them under a 64-bit system. (It might be possible by running an emulator under another emulator, but I've only personally done that with Macs.) Those are the items that come to my mind, and surely there are many more which I'm not aware of. Some problems may be greater than others depending on which 64-bit OS you're running (Vista, vs. Windows 7, for example.)

I'm rather new to the JAWS world and to this listserv, so I ask questions that a new user may tend to ask, but I've been dealing with computers quite heavily since the very early 1980's. I'm not trying to make myself sound like some super-expert, but I have been around the block a time or two. I'm just trying to make certain people understand there are risks associated with these upgrades if they are not fully researched. Even as a fairly knowledgable computer user, I ended up with a trashed OS from trying to load 32-bit JAWS 9 on a 64-bit Vista PC, so can this happen to others. My big mistake was that I had just asked Freedom Scientific what the (then-current) JAWS 9 worked on, so I didn't think twice about loading this on a new 64-bit machine a week or so later. How many here would question their computer tech if told "oh yes, you can run any 32-bit software on your new setup, just give me your JAWS 9 disks and I'll load that up for you on the your new machine"? Until this happened to me, I'd have trusted such a tech as well.

If people don't want to use my bad experience to avoid a huge mess on their computer, so be it, and I know this is much less likely to happen very often than back in 2007. I'm just trying to help if a few people might not know about this stuff. This isn't theoretical, it happened to me, it was repeatable (tech support initially initially had me wipe the drive repeatedly and reinstall Vista and JAWS) and it wasted more hours of my time than I even care to remember. So if people want to ignore my advice, no worries; they'll figure this out in their own way...

On Aug 2, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Steve wrote:

That's because Jaws 9 wasn't out in a 64-bit version.

Jaws and Win-eyes are too tightly embedded with the operating system, so those are the main exceptions; you need the Jaws 64-bit version to run on a 64-bit machine. The first 64-bit version of Jaws was 10, and the first 64-bit version of Win Eyes was 7.1.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit


Well, JAWS 9 comes to mind (which absolutely destroyed the OS on our Vista PC when we bought a 64-bit machine), at least under Vista, as well as most (if not all) virus protection software.

It can be really hit, or miss... (buyer beware).

-RH

On Jul 30, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Steve wrote:

Richard,

I don't know of any 32-bit programs that won't run on a 64-bit system, although I suppose there may be some. But, that is what the Programs\x86 folder is for, that's where the 32-bit programs that run in Win 7 or Vista 64-bit editions live.

Jaws is available in either 32 or 64-bit editions. If you have the Jaws installation DVD, it will recognize which version you need for your system; if not, just go to the FS site and download the correct version.
Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.

Steve
Lansing, MI
----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit


32 vs. 64 bit has to do with the way the computer physically addresses the data; literally 32 or 64 pieces of information at a time (specifically that many ones or zeros at a time-- that's what a "bit" is, a one or a zero in binary computing. Multiple bits comprise a byte. Enough bytes make a "k", then megs, gigs, etc.)

You must run the correct bit OS on the appropriate processor. Applications vary. You can run some 32 bit applications on some 64 bit machines which I assume requires some sort of emulation mode by the OS which may be transparent to the user. 64 bit applications won't work for 32 bit.

JAWS 9 was 32 bit only. At the time that was out, Freedom told me they had no intention of supporting 64 bit machines in the future. Once most new machines started going 32 bit, they changed their tune a bit. (Pun intended.)

I assume current JAWS has a dual installer that works on both? I know both are currently supported one way or another.

Sent from my iPad
On Jul 30, 2011, at 5:00 PM, "Crystal French" <raincrow@clearwire.net> wrote:32

Hi,
I have Jaws 12, but have reverted to Jaws 11 as 12 was crashing too often.

I'm afraid I need to think seriously about a new computer.

I'm still with XP Home.

Can someone tell me what would be the major difference between Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit?

Thanks.
Crystal



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Re: bluetooth and the focus

Dave...
 

Richard,

Any BlueTooth dongle should work just fine.
Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 13:17
Subject: bluetooth and the focus


The other reason I want to get away from qwerty based solutions for things
like Control Keys, is I want to be able to use the built-in bluetooth
wireless from across the room with the Focus 40 display.

I sent a message to Freedom but have no answer so far, so I'll ask here,
Sorry if this is too far from the main forum topic, but does anyone have
experience with setting up bluetooth on one of these? I thought this
computer had bluetooth, but the list comes up and shows no devices, and I
can see the Focus Display on other machines, so I know the Focus keyboard
has bluetooth active.

I assume I will need to buy a bluetooth to USB adaptor for the computer and
wonder who else may be using one and can confirm that a particular model
gets along well with the Focus 40 Blue.

If anyone knows of a forum more suited to Focus displays, I'll check there
too, but it seems like these things mainly work with JAWS, or at least they
are generally used with it on PC's so this is the only place I can think to
check.

Thanks again!
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Re: What gives with disabled keystrokes

Adrian Spratt
 

Ed, others have suggested ways to solve the problem. In case it hasn't
occurred to you, you could confirm that these keystrokes are supposed to
work on your system by going into key identification mode with insert-1
above the letter rows. If nothing else, demonstrating these keystrokes in
this mode to your tech guys should persuade them they need to make
adjustments to the network.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: What gives with disabled keystrokes

OK.
I just wrote about the disappearance of the Jaws Task Manager, formerly
enabled with Jaws key (Insert) plus F-10.
Now, the keystroke for starting the Jaws dictionary has disappeared.
Jaws key (insert) plus D used to start the Jaws dictionary manager. That is
no longer the case.
Even worse, when I press Jaws key (insert) plus F-2 and then press D to
locate the Dictionary Manager, when I press ENTER actually to start the
Dictionary Manager, the Dictionary Manager just goes away.
Any idea what's going on?
If this is what we get with Windows 7, I'll gladly go back to Windows XP.
OK.
There may be another issue. To get JAWS to run at all on our system, our IT
security monkeys had sequentially to stop group policies from "blocking"
certain DLLs.
Do you think that might be the problem, i.e., they didn't stop the blocking
of all needed DLLs?


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Re: Scanning books

inthane <inthaneelf@...>
 

I follow what they mean. and not really, unless you use some sort of OCR jaws has nothing to read.

a scanned image is just that, an image, nothing to read until an OCR works the images over and attempts to turn the little marks on the picture into a text file type.

now then if you need a less expensive OCR, find abbey fine reader, and then hunt for an older version (I.E. if current version is 9, then look for 8 and you can probably get it at a significant discount!) although the last time I looked AFR in the current version was running 99.95 from its maker, quite a difference between that and openbook.

HTH,
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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: Scanning books


I guess I am not sure what you are asking. If you scan a book using OpenBook you can read it with JAWS.

Tim

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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:14 AM
Subject: Scanning books


Hi i know about openbook but want to find out if it's possible to scan a book in a format which jaws would be able to read?


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Re: What gives with disabled keystrokes

Steve <k8sp@...>
 

Ed,

Sounds to me like you have some idea here. It is not a problem with Jaws and Win 7 computers, at least my wife's Win7 HP with Jaws 12 works fine. The dictionary works; as does the process list invoked with insert-f10.

I don't know what your firm's IT folks have done, nor whether you have Jaws installed on a corporate network. I think a consult between your IT folks and a competent tech support person at FS might be helpful.

WHEN INJUSTICE BECOMES LAW;
RESISTANCE BECOMES DUTY
-- THOMAS JEFFERSON

Steve

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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:42 PM
Subject: What gives with disabled keystrokes


OK.
I just wrote about the disappearance of the Jaws Task Manager, formerly enabled with Jaws key (Insert) plus F-10.
Now, the keystroke for starting the Jaws dictionary has disappeared.
Jaws key (insert) plus D used to start the Jaws dictionary manager. That is no longer the case.
Even worse, when I press Jaws key (insert) plus F-2 and then press D to locate the Dictionary Manager, when I press ENTER actually to start the Dictionary Manager, the Dictionary Manager just goes away.
Any idea what's going on?
If this is what we get with Windows 7, I'll gladly go back to Windows XP.
OK.
There may be another issue. To get JAWS to run at all on our system, our IT security monkeys had sequentially to stop group policies from "blocking" certain DLLs.
Do you think that might be the problem, i.e., they didn't stop the blocking of all needed DLLs?


I. Edward Marquette
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Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
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Kutak Rock LLP
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: What gives with disabled keystrokes

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Really?

Personally, I love the increased power and flexibility of 64-bit applications, the increased stability, tighter security...

But, I guess it depends what you need a computer for. I need lots of power under the hood for processing audio. If I was just doing email and the web, I'd have kept my XP machine.

At 09:24 PM 8/2/2011, you wrote:
I would go back too xp if I could even if seven wasn't causing problems,


Re: bluetooth and the focus

Ambrose <ambroselh@...>
 

Hp makes the best usb blue tooth adapter that I have found

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 4:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: bluetooth and the focus

The other reason I want to get away from qwerty based solutions for things
like Control Keys, is I want to be able to use the built-in bluetooth
wireless from across the room with the Focus 40 display.

I sent a message to Freedom but have no answer so far, so I'll ask here,
Sorry if this is too far from the main forum topic, but does anyone have
experience with setting up bluetooth on one of these? I thought this
computer had bluetooth, but the list comes up and shows no devices, and I
can see the Focus Display on other machines, so I know the Focus keyboard
has bluetooth active.

I assume I will need to buy a bluetooth to USB adaptor for the computer and
wonder who else may be using one and can confirm that a particular model
gets along well with the Focus 40 Blue.

If anyone knows of a forum more suited to Focus displays, I'll check there
too, but it seems like these things mainly work with JAWS, or at least they
are generally used with it on PC's so this is the only place I can think to
check.

Thanks again!
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Re: What gives with disabled keystrokes

James Homuth
 

Considering both keystrokes you mentioned work just fine here, and I'm
running latest JAWS on Windows 7, I'd say it's definitely something in your
environment at work. Go corporate IT folks!

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On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: August-02-11 7:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: What gives with disabled keystrokes

OK.
I just wrote about the disappearance of the Jaws Task Manager, formerly
enabled with Jaws key (Insert) plus F-10.
Now, the keystroke for starting the Jaws dictionary has disappeared.
Jaws key (insert) plus D used to start the Jaws dictionary manager. That is
no longer the case.
Even worse, when I press Jaws key (insert) plus F-2 and then press D to
locate the Dictionary Manager, when I press ENTER actually to start the
Dictionary Manager, the Dictionary Manager just goes away.
Any idea what's going on?
If this is what we get with Windows 7, I'll gladly go back to Windows XP.
OK.
There may be another issue. To get JAWS to run at all on our system, our IT
security monkeys had sequentially to stop group policies from "blocking"
certain DLLs.
Do you think that might be the problem, i.e., they didn't stop the blocking
of all needed DLLs?


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Re: What gives with disabled keystrokes

Ambrose <ambroselh@...>
 

I would go back too xp if I could even if seven wasn't causing problems,
no one will sale it too me because Microsoft stopped supporting it so we
would have too buy their over engineered new ***

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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:42 PM
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Subject: What gives with disabled keystrokes

OK.
I just wrote about the disappearance of the Jaws Task Manager, formerly
enabled with Jaws key (Insert) plus F-10.
Now, the keystroke for starting the Jaws dictionary has disappeared.
Jaws key (insert) plus D used to start the Jaws dictionary manager. That is
no longer the case.
Even worse, when I press Jaws key (insert) plus F-2 and then press D to
locate the Dictionary Manager, when I press ENTER actually to start the
Dictionary Manager, the Dictionary Manager just goes away.
Any idea what's going on?
If this is what we get with Windows 7, I'll gladly go back to Windows XP.
OK.
There may be another issue. To get JAWS to run at all on our system, our IT
security monkeys had sequentially to stop group policies from "blocking"
certain DLLs.
Do you think that might be the problem, i.e., they didn't stop the blocking
of all needed DLLs?


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
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Re: Jaws Task Manager

Ambrose <ambroselh@...>
 

It is a problem with your computer keys and not the software in my humble
opinion keys can get loose

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On Behalf Of Graham Smith
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws Task Manager

same here all works just fine



-----Original Message-----
From: Gary King
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 20:10
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws Task Manager

Ed,
I'm not sure why Insert+F10 is not working for you. I am using JFW
12.0.1169 on my Windows 7 Home Premium system, and this command brings up
the Window List Dialog with a Running Applications List Box, a Switch To
Button, a Cancel Button and an About Button. Pressing Enter on an item in
the list will switch to a running application just as it has always done.
Maybe a JAWS repair is in order.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: Jaws Task Manager


All:

With JAWS 12 and the Jaws task manager, has anyone noticed that it has
gone missing?
Insert plus F-10, which is the proper command (verified in keyboard
help) -- no longer brings up the JAWS task manager. In fact, it does
nothing.
This is particularly unfortunate since the Task Bar in Windows 7 was
broken by Microsoft. Now, both running applications and penned
applications both appear on the task bar.
It worked fine in Windows XP, and it is really needed in Windows 7 because
the task bar is messed up -- as indicated above.
I've been using Windows 7 for about 2 hours.
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Re: Jaws Task Manager

Graham Smith <g.smith577@...>
 

same here all works just fine

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary King
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 20:10
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws Task Manager

Ed,
I'm not sure why Insert+F10 is not working for you. I am using JFW
12.0.1169 on my Windows 7 Home Premium system, and this command brings up
the Window List Dialog with a Running Applications List Box, a Switch To
Button, a Cancel Button and an About Button. Pressing Enter on an item in
the list will switch to a running application just as it has always done.
Maybe a JAWS repair is in order.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: Jaws Task Manager


All:

With JAWS 12 and the Jaws task manager, has anyone noticed that it has gone missing?
Insert plus F-10, which is the proper command (verified in keyboard help) -- no longer brings up the JAWS task manager. In fact, it does nothing.
This is particularly unfortunate since the Task Bar in Windows 7 was broken by Microsoft. Now, both running applications and penned applications both appear on the task bar.
It worked fine in Windows XP, and it is really needed in Windows 7 because the task bar is messed up -- as indicated above.
I've been using Windows 7 for about 2 hours.
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Re: What gives with disabled keystrokes

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Edward, I doubt it has anything to do with Windows 7. I've had nothing disappear with either Jaws 11 or 12 under Windows 7 X64.

From what you said about allowing or blocking dll's, am I right to assume you're using Jaws at work? Perhaps the problem is with something your network administrator did or didn't do.

Something else you can try is running a repair on Jaws. The following page gives instructions:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_support/BulletinView.asp?QC=1057

Chris


Re: What gives with disabled keystrokes

Dave Durber
 

Edward:

Have you tried unloading and relaunching JAWS?

If you did that and nothing changed, try restarting Windows.

HTH

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:42 PM
Subject: What gives with disabled keystrokes


OK.
I just wrote about the disappearance of the Jaws Task Manager, formerly enabled with Jaws key (Insert) plus F-10.
Now, the keystroke for starting the Jaws dictionary has disappeared.
Jaws key (insert) plus D used to start the Jaws dictionary manager. That is no longer the case.
Even worse, when I press Jaws key (insert) plus F-2 and then press D to locate the Dictionary Manager, when I press ENTER actually to start the Dictionary Manager, the Dictionary Manager just goes away.
Any idea what's going on?
If this is what we get with Windows 7, I'll gladly go back to Windows XP.
OK.
There may be another issue. To get JAWS to run at all on our system, our IT security monkeys had sequentially to stop group policies from "blocking" certain DLLs.
Do you think that might be the problem, i.e., they didn't stop the blocking of all needed DLLs?


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
1010 Grand Boulevard
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Re: Jaws Task Manager

Gary King
 

Ed,
I'm not sure why Insert+F10 is not working for you. I am using JFW 12.0.1169 on my Windows 7 Home Premium system, and this command brings up the Window List Dialog with a Running Applications List Box, a Switch To Button, a Cancel Button and an About Button. Pressing Enter on an item in the list will switch to a running application just as it has always done. Maybe a JAWS repair is in order.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net

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From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: Jaws Task Manager


All:

With JAWS 12 and the Jaws task manager, has anyone noticed that it has gone missing?
Insert plus F-10, which is the proper command (verified in keyboard help) -- no longer brings up the JAWS task manager. In fact, it does nothing.
This is particularly unfortunate since the Task Bar in Windows 7 was broken by Microsoft. Now, both running applications and penned applications both appear on the task bar.
It worked fine in Windows XP, and it is really needed in Windows 7 because the task bar is messed up -- as indicated above.
I've been using Windows 7 for about 2 hours.
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What gives with disabled keystrokes

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

OK.
I just wrote about the disappearance of the Jaws Task Manager, formerly enabled with Jaws key (Insert) plus F-10.
Now, the keystroke for starting the Jaws dictionary has disappeared.
Jaws key (insert) plus D used to start the Jaws dictionary manager. That is no longer the case.
Even worse, when I press Jaws key (insert) plus F-2 and then press D to locate the Dictionary Manager, when I press ENTER actually to start the Dictionary Manager, the Dictionary Manager just goes away.
Any idea what's going on?
If this is what we get with Windows 7, I'll gladly go back to Windows XP.
OK.
There may be another issue. To get JAWS to run at all on our system, our IT security monkeys had sequentially to stop group policies from "blocking" certain DLLs.
Do you think that might be the problem, i.e., they didn't stop the blocking of all needed DLLs?


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
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Jaws Task Manager

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

All:

With JAWS 12 and the Jaws task manager, has anyone noticed that it has gone missing?
Insert plus F-10, which is the proper command (verified in keyboard help) -- no longer brings up the JAWS task manager. In fact, it does nothing.
This is particularly unfortunate since the Task Bar in Windows 7 was broken by Microsoft. Now, both running applications and penned applications both appear on the task bar.
It worked fine in Windows XP, and it is really needed in Windows 7 because the task bar is messed up -- as indicated above.
I've been using Windows 7 for about 2 hours.
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Re: copy and paste from firefox

Jim L
 

Thank you so much works wonderfully:)

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On Behalf Of inthane
Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2011 5:21 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: copy and paste from firefox


Jim,

I think the below instructions for j-11 are what you need to fix the trouble

your having.

open the "adjust jaws options" menu in the IE window (insert and V) down
arrow until you hear, "virtual cursor options". under this, arrow down to
"Select and Copy - Full content using onscreen
highlight ".
hit the spacebar on this until you hear "Select and Copy - From Virtual
Cursor "
ttab to the close button and hit enter

HTH,
elf
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn" www.alacorncomputer.com .
proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
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From: "Dave Scrimenti" <dscrimenti@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: copy and paste from firefox


I never have any problem with it. What's happening when you do it?
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From: "Jim L" <jimscave@tpg.com.au>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 4:23 AM
Subject: copy and paste from firefox


Heya folks,

Am running Jaws 11 and firefox 3.16 and the copy and paste text from
any webpage is always incorrect and drives me nuts, is there a work
around or something I can do to get Jaws to paste the correct text?

cheers,

Jim

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Re: error message

James Homuth
 

Take this off-list, please, or to the BlindTech list.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Westfall
Sent: August 2, 2011 4:26 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: error message

Nono, when you open your browser then go to the tools menu and so on.



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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: error message

scripts. I was told by someone it was for internet. I some how turn off add
ons. It got fix. Thanks. Never found IE 9 on program and Features.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:10 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: error message

Does the error have a specific number or anything to identify it?
Maybe search Microsoft's site for that particular error/problem.
At 11:37 AM 8/2/2011, you wrote:
OK. What do I do? Telling me and not making any suggestion does not help
me.

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