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Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit
Richard Holloway
Absolutely, quick and hard to deal with. FS-tech support surely could have done better with it all. It was years ago but quite frustrating and traumatic, so I wanted to try an offer some potentially helpful info. when I read that someone was thinking if doing a 32-bit to 64-bit upgrade to a machine based on a technician's recommendation / offer. In a very long-winded way, I was trying to point out that it may not be as safe or simple as the tech was leading the poster to believe.
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Sorry if I ruffled any feathers as it was not my intention at all.
On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:22 AM, James Homuth wrote:
Sounds like your problem falls largely on FS tech support, as their own
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JAWS and PAC Mates
Richard Holloway
At the last NFB Convention in Dallas (last month) someone at the FS booth mentioned that one can apparently fully-enable demo Jaws on any PC by plugging a PAC Mate into the PC with a USB cable.
How long has this worked? The only machine I have JAWS on here is already setup with a license (Jaws 11), but I'd love it if my daughter could use JAWS on other computers, say at a friend's house, for example if she just plugged in a PAC Mate. Is there a way to check before trying-- some software version number perhaps? It is a PAC Mate Omni that we bought when they were still fairly new (2007-ish maybe?) and we had a couple of years of SMA's and all of those extended service things. It sort of killed me thinking we could have possibly had the same functionality at home this way without the extra $1000 expense, but I don't know if this capacity came out later or if we were just never told we had bought this feature.
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Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit
James Homuth
Sounds like your problem falls largely on FS tech support, as their own
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documentation when 64-bit Vista was released said JAWS 9 will absolutely not work on 64-bit Vista. There was no 64-bit version of JAWS 9, because at the time, that was still relatively new in the Windows community--most computers barely warranted running 64-bit in 2007. Having done tech support for a computer manufacturer, I can tell you for sure in the early days of Vista 64-bit, you didn't need to be running JAWS or Window Eyes to be having problems. It's just that if you were, you found those problems a whole lot quicker and a whole lot harder to deal with.
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holloway Sent: August 3, 2011 12:15 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit Right, but it doesn't matter why an item doesn't (or a few items don't) work nearly as much as what can happen if you do try and use problematic software. That's sort of my entire point. If everyone had current versions of software and new hardware, none of this would ever come up in the first place... If someone is going from a 32-bit setup to a 64-bit and they don't know about the potential problem, they can end up in a real jam if they try to load something like JAWS 9 on a 64-bit PC. At least in some cases, it can completely trash the OS and make the machine non-bootable. When this happened to us, the only safe fix was to wipe the drive clean and install a fresh operating system, so even if this were the only 32-bit program that had issues (and it isn't) that alone makes a bit of caution prudent. I'm just wanting to help people avoid what happened to us several years ago, and the very fact that there aren't a lot of 32-bit packages that cause this kind of a disaster makes it all the more likely that even a professional computer tech might figure the old version is safe to try and load, trashing your operating system in the attempt, possibly causing other data loss or any number of other frustrations. This is sort of like explaining to someone who has never had a computer virus how important it is to avoid getting a computer virus. Once it happens to you, it makes a lot more sense, and you REALLY wish you had known before you took certain chances. Otherwise, why would someone carry on about it so much? It is also worth mentioning again that 32-bit virus protection, is generally a problem with 64-bit setups, as are certain 32-bit database programs and CAD programs. Anything 32-bit with embedded drivers will probably be an issue and there may be problems finding certain external driver solutions for some equipment (especially older pieces). Also, if you have any really old 16-bit applications, I'm not aware of a solution to run them under a 64-bit system. (It might be possible by running an emulator under another emulator, but I've only personally done that with Macs.) Those are the items that come to my mind, and surely there are many more which I'm not aware of. Some problems may be greater than others depending on which 64-bit OS you're running (Vista, vs. Windows 7, for example.) I'm rather new to the JAWS world and to this listserv, so I ask questions that a new user may tend to ask, but I've been dealing with computers quite heavily since the very early 1980's. I'm not trying to make myself sound like some super-expert, but I have been around the block a time or two. I'm just trying to make certain people understand there are risks associated with these upgrades if they are not fully researched. Even as a fairly knowledgable computer user, I ended up with a trashed OS from trying to load 32-bit JAWS 9 on a 64-bit Vista PC, so can this happen to others. My big mistake was that I had just asked Freedom Scientific what the (then-current) JAWS 9 worked on, so I didn't think twice about loading this on a new 64-bit machine a week or so later. How many here would question their computer tech if told "oh yes, you can run any 32-bit software on your new setup, just give me your JAWS 9 disks and I'll load that up for you on the your new machine"? Until this happened to me, I'd have trusted such a tech as well. If people don't want to use my bad experience to avoid a huge mess on their computer, so be it, and I know this is much less likely to happen very often than back in 2007. I'm just trying to help if a few people might not know about this stuff. This isn't theoretical, it happened to me, it was repeatable (tech support initially initially had me wipe the drive repeatedly and reinstall Vista and JAWS) and it wasted more hours of my time than I even care to remember. So if people want to ignore my advice, no worries; they'll figure this out in their own way... On Aug 2, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Steve wrote: That's because Jaws 9 wasn't out in a 64-bit version.those are the main exceptions; you need the Jaws 64-bit version to run on a 64-bit machine. The first 64-bit version of Jaws was 10, and the first 64-bit version of Win Eyes was 7.1. <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>Vista PC when we bought a 64-bit machine), at least under Vista, as well as most (if not all) virus protection software. although I suppose there may be some. But, that is what the Programs\x86 folder is for, that's where the 32-bit programs that run in Win 7 or Vista 64-bit editions live. installation DVD, it will recognize which version you need for your system; if not, just go to the FS site and download the correct version. <rholloway@gopbc.org>Take my advice, I don't use it anyway. the data; literally 32 or 64 pieces of information at a time (specificallyTo: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> that many ones or zeros at a time-- that's what a "bit" is, a one or a zero in binary computing. Multiple bits comprise a byte. Enough bytes make a "k", then megs, gigs, etc.) Applications vary. You can run some 32 bit applications on some 64 bit machines which I assume requires some sort of emulation mode by the OS which may be transparent to the user. 64 bit applications won't work for 32 bit. had no intention of supporting 64 bit machines in the future. Once most new machines started going 32 bit, they changed their tune a bit. (Pun intended.) both are currently supported one way or another. wrote:32 often.Hi, 7 32 bit or 64 bit? _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit
Richard Holloway
Right, but it doesn't matter why an item doesn't (or a few items don't) work nearly as much as what can happen if you do try and use problematic software. That's sort of my entire point. If everyone had current versions of software and new hardware, none of this would ever come up in the first place...
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If someone is going from a 32-bit setup to a 64-bit and they don't know about the potential problem, they can end up in a real jam if they try to load something like JAWS 9 on a 64-bit PC. At least in some cases, it can completely trash the OS and make the machine non-bootable. When this happened to us, the only safe fix was to wipe the drive clean and install a fresh operating system, so even if this were the only 32-bit program that had issues (and it isn't) that alone makes a bit of caution prudent. I'm just wanting to help people avoid what happened to us several years ago, and the very fact that there aren't a lot of 32-bit packages that cause this kind of a disaster makes it all the more likely that even a professional computer tech might figure the old version is safe to try and load, trashing your operating system in the attempt, possibly causing other data loss or any number of other frustrations. This is sort of like explaining to someone who has never had a computer virus how important it is to avoid getting a computer virus. Once it happens to you, it makes a lot more sense, and you REALLY wish you had known before you took certain chances. Otherwise, why would someone carry on about it so much? It is also worth mentioning again that 32-bit virus protection, is generally a problem with 64-bit setups, as are certain 32-bit database programs and CAD programs. Anything 32-bit with embedded drivers will probably be an issue and there may be problems finding certain external driver solutions for some equipment (especially older pieces). Also, if you have any really old 16-bit applications, I'm not aware of a solution to run them under a 64-bit system. (It might be possible by running an emulator under another emulator, but I've only personally done that with Macs.) Those are the items that come to my mind, and surely there are many more which I'm not aware of. Some problems may be greater than others depending on which 64-bit OS you're running (Vista, vs. Windows 7, for example.) I'm rather new to the JAWS world and to this listserv, so I ask questions that a new user may tend to ask, but I've been dealing with computers quite heavily since the very early 1980's. I'm not trying to make myself sound like some super-expert, but I have been around the block a time or two. I'm just trying to make certain people understand there are risks associated with these upgrades if they are not fully researched. Even as a fairly knowledgable computer user, I ended up with a trashed OS from trying to load 32-bit JAWS 9 on a 64-bit Vista PC, so can this happen to others. My big mistake was that I had just asked Freedom Scientific what the (then-current) JAWS 9 worked on, so I didn't think twice about loading this on a new 64-bit machine a week or so later. How many here would question their computer tech if told "oh yes, you can run any 32-bit software on your new setup, just give me your JAWS 9 disks and I'll load that up for you on the your new machine"? Until this happened to me, I'd have trusted such a tech as well. If people don't want to use my bad experience to avoid a huge mess on their computer, so be it, and I know this is much less likely to happen very often than back in 2007. I'm just trying to help if a few people might not know about this stuff. This isn't theoretical, it happened to me, it was repeatable (tech support initially initially had me wipe the drive repeatedly and reinstall Vista and JAWS) and it wasted more hours of my time than I even care to remember. So if people want to ignore my advice, no worries; they'll figure this out in their own way...
On Aug 2, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Steve wrote:
That's because Jaws 9 wasn't out in a 64-bit version.
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Re: bluetooth and the focus
Dave...
Richard,
Any BlueTooth dongle should work just fine. Dave Carlson From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfortto my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll try to remedy that situation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 13:17 Subject: bluetooth and the focus The other reason I want to get away from qwerty based solutions for things like Control Keys, is I want to be able to use the built-in bluetooth wireless from across the room with the Focus 40 display. I sent a message to Freedom but have no answer so far, so I'll ask here, Sorry if this is too far from the main forum topic, but does anyone have experience with setting up bluetooth on one of these? I thought this computer had bluetooth, but the list comes up and shows no devices, and I can see the Focus Display on other machines, so I know the Focus keyboard has bluetooth active. I assume I will need to buy a bluetooth to USB adaptor for the computer and wonder who else may be using one and can confirm that a particular model gets along well with the Focus 40 Blue. If anyone knows of a forum more suited to Focus displays, I'll check there too, but it seems like these things mainly work with JAWS, or at least they are generally used with it on PC's so this is the only place I can think to check. Thanks again! _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: What gives with disabled keystrokes
Adrian Spratt
Ed, others have suggested ways to solve the problem. In case it hasn't
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occurred to you, you could confirm that these keystrokes are supposed to work on your system by going into key identification mode with insert-1 above the letter rows. If nothing else, demonstrating these keystrokes in this mode to your tech guys should persuade them they need to make adjustments to the network.
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:42 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: What gives with disabled keystrokes OK. I just wrote about the disappearance of the Jaws Task Manager, formerly enabled with Jaws key (Insert) plus F-10. Now, the keystroke for starting the Jaws dictionary has disappeared. Jaws key (insert) plus D used to start the Jaws dictionary manager. That is no longer the case. Even worse, when I press Jaws key (insert) plus F-2 and then press D to locate the Dictionary Manager, when I press ENTER actually to start the Dictionary Manager, the Dictionary Manager just goes away. Any idea what's going on? If this is what we get with Windows 7, I'll gladly go back to Windows XP. OK. There may be another issue. To get JAWS to run at all on our system, our IT security monkeys had sequentially to stop group policies from "blocking" certain DLLs. Do you think that might be the problem, i.e., they didn't stop the blocking of all needed DLLs? I. Edward Marquette Direct Dial: 816.502.4646 Mobile: 816.812.0088 Google Voice: 408.692.5640 Facsimile: 816.960.0041 Kutak Rock LLP 1010 Grand Boulevard Suite 500 Kansas City, MO 64106 ed.marquette@kutakrock.com ############################################################################ ################################# ANY FEDERAL TAX ADVICE CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE SHOULD NOT BE USED OR REFERRED TO IN THE PROMOTING, MARKETING OR RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY, INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE IS NOT INTENDED OR WRITTEN TO BE USED, AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE. ############################################################################ ################################# This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or otherwise protected by applicable law. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at 402-346-6000 and delete this E-mail message. Thank you. ############################################################################ ################################# -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201108 02/0b2ad0b1/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Scanning books
inthane <inthaneelf@...>
I follow what they mean. and not really, unless you use some sort of OCR jaws has nothing to read.
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a scanned image is just that, an image, nothing to read until an OCR works the images over and attempts to turn the little marks on the picture into a text file type. now then if you need a less expensive OCR, find abbey fine reader, and then hunt for an older version (I.E. if current version is 9, then look for 8 and you can probably get it at a significant discount!) although the last time I looked AFR in the current version was running 99.95 from its maker, quite a difference between that and openbook. HTH, elf hth elf . Moderator, Blind Access Help. . Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises "own the might and majesty of an alacorn" www.alacorncomputer.com . proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag for blind computer users and Programmers! http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
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From: "Tim" <tim@nwiusa.com> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 6:38 AM Subject: Re: Scanning books I guess I am not sure what you are asking. If you scan a book using OpenBook you can read it with JAWS.
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Re: What gives with disabled keystrokes
Steve <k8sp@...>
Ed,
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Sounds to me like you have some idea here. It is not a problem with Jaws and Win 7 computers, at least my wife's Win7 HP with Jaws 12 works fine. The dictionary works; as does the process list invoked with insert-f10. I don't know what your firm's IT folks have done, nor whether you have Jaws installed on a corporate network. I think a consult between your IT folks and a competent tech support person at FS might be helpful. WHEN INJUSTICE BECOMES LAW; RESISTANCE BECOMES DUTY -- THOMAS JEFFERSON Steve
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From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:42 PM Subject: What gives with disabled keystrokes OK.
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: What gives with disabled keystrokes
Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
Really?
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Personally, I love the increased power and flexibility of 64-bit applications, the increased stability, tighter security... But, I guess it depends what you need a computer for. I need lots of power under the hood for processing audio. If I was just doing email and the web, I'd have kept my XP machine.
At 09:24 PM 8/2/2011, you wrote:
I would go back too xp if I could even if seven wasn't causing problems,
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Re: bluetooth and the focus
Ambrose <ambroselh@...>
Hp makes the best usb blue tooth adapter that I have found
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holloway Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 4:17 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: bluetooth and the focus The other reason I want to get away from qwerty based solutions for things like Control Keys, is I want to be able to use the built-in bluetooth wireless from across the room with the Focus 40 display. I sent a message to Freedom but have no answer so far, so I'll ask here, Sorry if this is too far from the main forum topic, but does anyone have experience with setting up bluetooth on one of these? I thought this computer had bluetooth, but the list comes up and shows no devices, and I can see the Focus Display on other machines, so I know the Focus keyboard has bluetooth active. I assume I will need to buy a bluetooth to USB adaptor for the computer and wonder who else may be using one and can confirm that a particular model gets along well with the Focus 40 Blue. If anyone knows of a forum more suited to Focus displays, I'll check there too, but it seems like these things mainly work with JAWS, or at least they are generally used with it on PC's so this is the only place I can think to check. Thanks again! _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: What gives with disabled keystrokes
James Homuth
Considering both keystrokes you mentioned work just fine here, and I'm
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running latest JAWS on Windows 7, I'd say it's definitely something in your environment at work. Go corporate IT folks!
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed Sent: August-02-11 7:42 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: What gives with disabled keystrokes OK. I just wrote about the disappearance of the Jaws Task Manager, formerly enabled with Jaws key (Insert) plus F-10. Now, the keystroke for starting the Jaws dictionary has disappeared. Jaws key (insert) plus D used to start the Jaws dictionary manager. That is no longer the case. Even worse, when I press Jaws key (insert) plus F-2 and then press D to locate the Dictionary Manager, when I press ENTER actually to start the Dictionary Manager, the Dictionary Manager just goes away. Any idea what's going on? If this is what we get with Windows 7, I'll gladly go back to Windows XP. OK. There may be another issue. To get JAWS to run at all on our system, our IT security monkeys had sequentially to stop group policies from "blocking" certain DLLs. Do you think that might be the problem, i.e., they didn't stop the blocking of all needed DLLs? I. Edward Marquette Direct Dial: 816.502.4646 Mobile: 816.812.0088 Google Voice: 408.692.5640 Facsimile: 816.960.0041 Kutak Rock LLP 1010 Grand Boulevard Suite 500 Kansas City, MO 64106 ed.marquette@kutakrock.com ############################################################################ ################################# ANY FEDERAL TAX ADVICE CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE SHOULD NOT BE USED OR REFERRED TO IN THE PROMOTING, MARKETING OR RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY, INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE IS NOT INTENDED OR WRITTEN TO BE USED, AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE. ############################################################################ ################################# This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or otherwise protected by applicable law. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at 402-346-6000 and delete this E-mail message. Thank you. ############################################################################ ################################# -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201108 02/0b2ad0b1/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: What gives with disabled keystrokes
Ambrose <ambroselh@...>
I would go back too xp if I could even if seven wasn't causing problems,
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no one will sale it too me because Microsoft stopped supporting it so we would have too buy their over engineered new ***
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:42 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: What gives with disabled keystrokes OK. I just wrote about the disappearance of the Jaws Task Manager, formerly enabled with Jaws key (Insert) plus F-10. Now, the keystroke for starting the Jaws dictionary has disappeared. Jaws key (insert) plus D used to start the Jaws dictionary manager. That is no longer the case. Even worse, when I press Jaws key (insert) plus F-2 and then press D to locate the Dictionary Manager, when I press ENTER actually to start the Dictionary Manager, the Dictionary Manager just goes away. Any idea what's going on? If this is what we get with Windows 7, I'll gladly go back to Windows XP. OK. There may be another issue. To get JAWS to run at all on our system, our IT security monkeys had sequentially to stop group policies from "blocking" certain DLLs. Do you think that might be the problem, i.e., they didn't stop the blocking of all needed DLLs? I. Edward Marquette Direct Dial: 816.502.4646 Mobile: 816.812.0088 Google Voice: 408.692.5640 Facsimile: 816.960.0041 Kutak Rock LLP 1010 Grand Boulevard Suite 500 Kansas City, MO 64106 ed.marquette@kutakrock.com ############################################################################ ################################# ANY FEDERAL TAX ADVICE CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE SHOULD NOT BE USED OR REFERRED TO IN THE PROMOTING, MARKETING OR RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY, INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE IS NOT INTENDED OR WRITTEN TO BE USED, AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE. ############################################################################ ################################# This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or otherwise protected by applicable law. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at 402-346-6000 and delete this E-mail message. Thank you. ############################################################################ ################################# -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201108 02/0b2ad0b1/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: Jaws Task Manager
Ambrose <ambroselh@...>
It is a problem with your computer keys and not the software in my humble
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opinion keys can get loose
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Graham Smith Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:58 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws Task Manager same here all works just fine -----Original Message----- From: Gary King Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 20:10 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws Task Manager Ed, I'm not sure why Insert+F10 is not working for you. I am using JFW 12.0.1169 on my Windows 7 Home Premium system, and this command brings up the Window List Dialog with a Running Applications List Box, a Switch To Button, a Cancel Button and an About Button. Pressing Enter on an item in the list will switch to a running application just as it has always done. Maybe a JAWS repair is in order. Gary King w4wkz@bellsouth.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:55 PM Subject: Jaws Task Manager All: the task bar is messed up -- as indicated above.############################################################################ ################################# ANY FEDERAL TAX ADVICE CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE SHOULD NOT BE USED OR############################################################################ ################################# This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named E-mail message.############################################################################ #################################
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Re: Jaws Task Manager
Graham Smith <g.smith577@...>
same here all works just fine
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From: Gary King Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 20:10 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Jaws Task Manager Ed, I'm not sure why Insert+F10 is not working for you. I am using JFW 12.0.1169 on my Windows 7 Home Premium system, and this command brings up the Window List Dialog with a Running Applications List Box, a Switch To Button, a Cancel Button and an About Button. Pressing Enter on an item in the list will switch to a running application just as it has always done. Maybe a JAWS repair is in order. Gary King w4wkz@bellsouth.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:55 PM Subject: Jaws Task Manager All: _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Re: What gives with disabled keystrokes
Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
Edward, I doubt it has anything to do with Windows 7. I've had nothing disappear with either Jaws 11 or 12 under Windows 7 X64.
From what you said about allowing or blocking dll's, am I right to assume you're using Jaws at work? Perhaps the problem is with something your network administrator did or didn't do. Something else you can try is running a repair on Jaws. The following page gives instructions: http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_support/BulletinView.asp?QC=1057 Chris
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Re: What gives with disabled keystrokes
Dave Durber
Edward:
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Have you tried unloading and relaunching JAWS? If you did that and nothing changed, try restarting Windows. HTH Sincerely: Dave Durber
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From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:42 PM Subject: What gives with disabled keystrokes OK.
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Re: Jaws Task Manager
Gary King
Ed,
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I'm not sure why Insert+F10 is not working for you. I am using JFW 12.0.1169 on my Windows 7 Home Premium system, and this command brings up the Window List Dialog with a Running Applications List Box, a Switch To Button, a Cancel Button and an About Button. Pressing Enter on an item in the list will switch to a running application just as it has always done. Maybe a JAWS repair is in order. Gary King w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:55 PM Subject: Jaws Task Manager All:
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What gives with disabled keystrokes
Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
OK.
I just wrote about the disappearance of the Jaws Task Manager, formerly enabled with Jaws key (Insert) plus F-10. Now, the keystroke for starting the Jaws dictionary has disappeared. Jaws key (insert) plus D used to start the Jaws dictionary manager. That is no longer the case. Even worse, when I press Jaws key (insert) plus F-2 and then press D to locate the Dictionary Manager, when I press ENTER actually to start the Dictionary Manager, the Dictionary Manager just goes away. Any idea what's going on? If this is what we get with Windows 7, I'll gladly go back to Windows XP. OK. There may be another issue. To get JAWS to run at all on our system, our IT security monkeys had sequentially to stop group policies from "blocking" certain DLLs. Do you think that might be the problem, i.e., they didn't stop the blocking of all needed DLLs? I. Edward Marquette Direct Dial: 816.502.4646 Mobile: 816.812.0088 Google Voice: 408.692.5640 Facsimile: 816.960.0041 Kutak Rock LLP 1010 Grand Boulevard Suite 500 Kansas City, MO 64106 ed.marquette@kutakrock.com ############################################################################################################# ANY FEDERAL TAX ADVICE CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE SHOULD NOT BE USED OR REFERRED TO IN THE PROMOTING, MARKETING OR RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY, INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE IS NOT INTENDED OR WRITTEN TO BE USED, AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE. ############################################################################################################# This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or otherwise protected by applicable law. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at 402-346-6000 and delete this E-mail message. Thank you. ############################################################################################################# -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20110802/0b2ad0b1/attachment.html>
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Jaws Task Manager
Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
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With JAWS 12 and the Jaws task manager, has anyone noticed that it has gone missing? Insert plus F-10, which is the proper command (verified in keyboard help) -- no longer brings up the JAWS task manager. In fact, it does nothing. This is particularly unfortunate since the Task Bar in Windows 7 was broken by Microsoft. Now, both running applications and penned applications both appear on the task bar. It worked fine in Windows XP, and it is really needed in Windows 7 because the task bar is messed up -- as indicated above. I've been using Windows 7 for about 2 hours. ############################################################################################################# ANY FEDERAL TAX ADVICE CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE SHOULD NOT BE USED OR REFERRED TO IN THE PROMOTING, MARKETING OR RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY, INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE IS NOT INTENDED OR WRITTEN TO BE USED, AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE. ############################################################################################################# This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or otherwise protected by applicable law. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at 402-346-6000 and delete this E-mail message. Thank you. #############################################################################################################
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Re: copy and paste from firefox
Jim L
Thank you so much works wonderfully:)
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of inthane Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2011 5:21 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: copy and paste from firefox Jim, I think the below instructions for j-11 are what you need to fix the trouble your having. open the "adjust jaws options" menu in the IE window (insert and V) down arrow until you hear, "virtual cursor options". under this, arrow down to "Select and Copy - Full content using onscreen highlight ". hit the spacebar on this until you hear "Select and Copy - From Virtual Cursor " ttab to the close button and hit enter HTH, elf . Moderator, Blind Access Help. . Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises "own the might and majesty of an alacorn" www.alacorncomputer.com . proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag for blind computer users and Programmers! http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Scrimenti" <dscrimenti@comcast.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 10:39 AM Subject: Re: copy and paste from firefox I never have any problem with it. What's happening when you do it?<http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201108 01/6087d84e/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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