Date   

facebook chat

Terra Syslo <tlsyslo@...>
 

Hi. I am using the latest version of JFW 13 and Internet Explorer as my web
browser. Can anyone tell me how to use facebook chat? I can use facebook,
but when I try to see who is available to chat it just says chat 3 or
whatever and I can't tell who is online. Anyone have any experiences with
the latest facebook page and JFW? I used to be able to use chat with no
problems, but that was before numerous updates to facebook.

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Re: What? Windows 8?

Soronel Haetir
 

No matter how improved narrator is I have a difficult time believing
that MS has made the investment required to bring it on par with jaws.

On 9/7/12, John Sherrer <john@...> wrote:
Will we need JAWS since Narrator is greatly improved?
John Sherrer

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 2:47 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?

On the FSCast, they make the point that they've worked with MS to
incorporate keyboard commands and to maintain the JAWS cursor. The two
limitations I recall are that first-letter navigation will no longer work,
at least in what we know as the start menu, and JAWS cursor will no longer
work in unrestricted mode. The JAWS cursor's range will be limited to the
application you're in. (I hope I recall correctly.)

I meant to mention that Windows 8 is scheduled for release on October 26,
and JAWS 14 is planned for release in late October.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 1:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?

Windows 8 may ve interesting. I listened to a Podcast through iBlink Radio
(iPhone App) put out by the NVDA folks.
It looks like Windows 8 will have touch screen gesture type functionality
as
well as support for little programs, like Apps on the iPhone, that connect
to the Web but do not require the browser as is typically the case in
Windows today.
If JAWS 14 is fully supporting all that new Windows 8 stuff, the things
broken in JAWS 13 will probably just stay broken.

I guess we will just have to wait. I'm content with JAWS 12, even though I
have (and occasionally have to use) that train wreck called JAWS 13.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: What? Windows 8?

Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have Windows
7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

Crystal, who is never up to speed


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Re: Laptop question

Terra Syslo <tlsyslo@...>
 

Sorry for the late response if this has already been solved, but you need to
go into the bios with sighted assistance and disable action keys. I had to
do that with the HP I had briefly, but I did have major issues with the
numpad and insert keys not working as they should with JFW, so I had to send
it back. Good luck.



From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 8:22 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Laptop question



Mike, have you switched to laptop keyboard configuration? As I recall, it's
in JAWS basic settings.

I avoid the different key combinations by attaching a USB numpad and staying
with desktop keyboard.

In most cases, with the laptop keyboard, you substitute the caps lock key
for the insert key. That's why you'll often find listers writing "JAWS key"
instead of "insert." I know someone will post the exact keystroke you need
here.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 9:15 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Laptop question

Hello folks! I have just purchased an HP laptop computer, and some of the
issues I'm having are quite peculiar. The worst so far is the inability to
use f7 with the insert to bring up a list of links in JAWS. When I press
it, nothing happens. My wife tells me that the F keys are doubling for
something else, like volume up and down and things like that. How do I work
around this?
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Re: What? Windows 8?

John ESherrer
 

Will we need JAWS since Narrator is greatly improved?
John Sherrer

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 2:47 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?

On the FSCast, they make the point that they've worked with MS to
incorporate keyboard commands and to maintain the JAWS cursor. The two
limitations I recall are that first-letter navigation will no longer work,
at least in what we know as the start menu, and JAWS cursor will no longer
work in unrestricted mode. The JAWS cursor's range will be limited to the
application you're in. (I hope I recall correctly.)

I meant to mention that Windows 8 is scheduled for release on October 26,
and JAWS 14 is planned for release in late October.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 1:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?

Windows 8 may ve interesting. I listened to a Podcast through iBlink Radio
(iPhone App) put out by the NVDA folks.
It looks like Windows 8 will have touch screen gesture type functionality as
well as support for little programs, like Apps on the iPhone, that connect
to the Web but do not require the browser as is typically the case in
Windows today.
If JAWS 14 is fully supporting all that new Windows 8 stuff, the things
broken in JAWS 13 will probably just stay broken.

I guess we will just have to wait. I'm content with JAWS 12, even though I
have (and occasionally have to use) that train wreck called JAWS 13.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: What? Windows 8?

Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have Windows
7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

Crystal, who is never up to speed


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keyboard behavior

Lois
 

I think I'm having a memory cramp. Recently I replaced a computer with a new one and I've set something wrong. Now I don't recall how to fix it.
When I hold down the left or right arrow keys, I'm accustomed to having them move in their proper direction and let me hear it happening. This isn't happening. Where do I set such behavior?
Thank you.
Lois Goodine.
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Re: Only Two Solutions to Solve Captchas

Soronel Haetir
 

And remember, so long as the websites rely on visually confusing
images they have to be decipherable by people who can see. That does
in fact put an upper limit on how hard challenge images can be, and
from the complaints I've seen from sighted folks plenty of websites
are already pushing up against it.

On 9/7/12, James Homuth <james@...> wrote:
Here's a thing to consider. If the OCR technology to reliably solve a
captcha existed, that would only translate to the captcha developers
inventing a better captcha. It's happened before, and will happen again.
It's also why WebVisum can't always solve every captcha you throw at it.
Because the same technology screenreaders, WebVisum and the like would be
relying on would be just as available to an aspiring spambot. The only real
alternative, which a couple deaf blind friends of mine are pushing for, is
a
captcha alternative. They do exist, and in fact I've thought about
implementing one for my admitedly not as frequently updated blog. But the
truth is, until a standard comes along that replaces captcha, adaptive tech
will be competing with spammers, who are competing with the captcha
developers. If the spammers lose, more often than not, so will the adaptive
tech.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: September 7, 2012 5:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Only Two Solutions to Solve Captchas

Hello again everyone,

There are only two solutions that will work for us in our book to solve

captchas. They are:

1. Including a captcha solver in screen reading products and:

2. Encourage Web and application developers to use captcha alternatives.

Perhaps what FS and company has failed to consider is that there could
be legal and lotgistical issues waiting to be sprung on them if they
continue to refuse to add a captcha solver to JFW. They'd be damned if they

did and damned if they didn't!

Sorry guys but this is something I'm very passionate about. If this new

Web tool is a subscription service I would not buy it unless a captcha
solver was included. Web Vism is a good tool but if you don't want to be
married to FireFox a cross-browser and application captcha solution is
necessary. I recently encountered a software application that requires you
to enter a 4-character code displayed for 60 seconds in order to perform a
few tasks. Luckily there are only 4 of them and there something you
wouldn't

perform daily unless your job required it. I encouraged the developer to
add

anoption to disable that captcha in future releases of this software. This
is not an Internet front-facing application so one wonders why the captcha
is even there in the first place.

As for audio captchas how many deaf-blind people do you know that could use

an audio captcha?My wife has normal hearing and she had trouble hearing the

characters spoken that's how badly garbled they were. Perhaps the new Web
tool would have the ability to remove background noise and improve the
quality of the audio making them easier to understand.

My wife will be home soon so I'll wind this up for now. All the best
for

a great weekend.

Peter Donahue



----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Stone" <alexstone871@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: JAWS 14 FSCast


What about Webvisum?
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of George B
Sent: 07 September 2012 21:55
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS 14 FSCast

that one will never happen with a p c it will always have to be done with
site or audio

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 08:12
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 14 FSCast

Good morning everyone,

I'll be curious to see what kind of new Internet access tool
they're
adding to JFW 14 when the October FS Cast is available. Solving
captchas has
been something we've waited for screen reader vendors to address for
once
and for all. If FS has finally cracked this for us with this new
Internet
access tool they will have done something needed for a long time.
Recently I
have encountered captchas that are readable with screen readers. It
would be
interesting to know how the creators of such captcha applications are
able
to render the image characters so they can be read by screen readers
yet be
hidden from spam bots. Check out www.withheartandvoice.org particularly
their feedback form where you can see an example of this in action.
They're
using a service called www.textcaptcha.com.

If FS has developed an innovated Internet access solution that
addresses
this issue and other concerns great. If this thing is nothing more than
a
SamNet.com look-alike what a waste of time and resources that could
have
been used to fix other JFW problems. Guess we'll need to be sure to
check
out the October FS Cast when it becomes available.

Peter Donahue



----- Original Messag
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: JAWS 14 FSCast


Thanks to Dean Martineau's newsletter today, I learn that there is an
FSCast
on JAWS 14. I am in the school that wishes FS would fix problems rather
than
add new features, but the ones in JAWS 14 look very promising.

FS is making available Vocalizer voices, still being developed by
Nuance.
(Neither Eloquence nor RealSpeak has been upgraded in years.) Based on
the
FSCast demonstration, they sound more pleasing and appear more
responsive to
commands than RealSpeak. There may finally be a viable alternative to
Dectalk Express, which I have clung to through the years.

The demonstration of JAWS 14 and Windows 8 is also encouraging, and FS
has
made a change to how JAWS handles Outlook messages that might finally
convince me to upgrade from 2003.

The improvements to Text Analyzer look as though they'll simplify the
visual
aspects of editing documents.

Here's the link:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast069-
august2012.asp
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From: "Alex Stone" <alexstone871@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: JAWS 14 FSCast


What about Webvisum?
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of George B
Sent: 07 September 2012 21:55
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS 14 FSCast

that one will never happen with a p c it will always have to be done with
site or audio

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 08:12
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 14 FSCast

Good morning everyone,

I'll be curious to see what kind of new Internet access tool
they're
adding to JFW 14 when the October FS Cast is available. Solving
captchas has
been something we've waited for screen reader vendors to address for
once
and for all. If FS has finally cracked this for us with this new
Internet
access tool they will have done something needed for a long time.
Recently I
have encountered captchas that are readable with screen readers. It
would be
interesting to know how the creators of such captcha applications are
able
to render the image characters so they can be read by screen readers
yet be
hidden from spam bots. Check out www.withheartandvoice.org particularly
their feedback form where you can see an example of this in action.
They're
using a service called www.textcaptcha.com.

If FS has developed an innovated Internet access solution that
addresses
this issue and other concerns great. If this thing is nothing more than
a
SamNet.com look-alike what a waste of time and resources that could
have
been used to fix other JFW problems. Guess we'll need to be sure to
check
out the October FS Cast when it becomes available.

Peter Donahue



----- Original Messag
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: JAWS 14 FSCast


Thanks to Dean Martineau's newsletter today, I learn that there is an
FSCast
on JAWS 14. I am in the school that wishes FS would fix problems rather
than
add new features, but the ones in JAWS 14 look very promising.

FS is making available Vocalizer voices, still being developed by
Nuance.
(Neither Eloquence nor RealSpeak has been upgraded in years.) Based on
the
FSCast demonstration, they sound more pleasing and appear more
responsive to
commands than RealSpeak. There may finally be a viable alternative to
Dectalk Express, which I have clung to through the years.

The demonstration of JAWS 14 and Windows 8 is also encouraging, and FS
has
made a change to how JAWS handles Outlook messages that might finally
convince me to upgrade from 2003.

The improvements to Text Analyzer look as though they'll simplify the
visual
aspects of editing documents.

Here's the link:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast069-
august2012.asp
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Re: What? Windows 8?

Matt Dierckens <matt.dierckens@...>
 

it sounds like its like spotlight on the mac.
I also heard that narrator is so much like voiceover its not even funny. I'd like to give it a try though.

Matt
Sent from my mac
Twitter: matt692
msn: matt692@...
skype: blindman3221

On 2012-09-07, at 5:46 PM, "Mariea Harris" <mharris1979@...> wrote:

There is no start menu, it's now called start screen. You can't press the letter to jump to things, but you can type a few letters and it will bring up options with those letters. You can type anywhere in the start screen and do this.


Mariea and Valiant

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Re: What? Windows 8?

Mariea Harris <mharris1979@...>
 

There is no start menu, it's now called start screen. You can't press the letter to jump to things, but you can type a few letters and it will bring up options with those letters. You can type anywhere in the start screen and do this.


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Re: Only Two Solutions to Solve Captchas

James Homuth
 

Here's a thing to consider. If the OCR technology to reliably solve a
captcha existed, that would only translate to the captcha developers
inventing a better captcha. It's happened before, and will happen again.
It's also why WebVisum can't always solve every captcha you throw at it.
Because the same technology screenreaders, WebVisum and the like would be
relying on would be just as available to an aspiring spambot. The only real
alternative, which a couple deaf blind friends of mine are pushing for, is a
captcha alternative. They do exist, and in fact I've thought about
implementing one for my admitedly not as frequently updated blog. But the
truth is, until a standard comes along that replaces captcha, adaptive tech
will be competing with spammers, who are competing with the captcha
developers. If the spammers lose, more often than not, so will the adaptive
tech.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: September 7, 2012 5:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Only Two Solutions to Solve Captchas

Hello again everyone,

There are only two solutions that will work for us in our book to solve
captchas. They are:

1. Including a captcha solver in screen reading products and:

2. Encourage Web and application developers to use captcha alternatives.

Perhaps what FS and company has failed to consider is that there could
be legal and lotgistical issues waiting to be sprung on them if they
continue to refuse to add a captcha solver to JFW. They'd be damned if they
did and damned if they didn't!

Sorry guys but this is something I'm very passionate about. If this new
Web tool is a subscription service I would not buy it unless a captcha
solver was included. Web Vism is a good tool but if you don't want to be
married to FireFox a cross-browser and application captcha solution is
necessary. I recently encountered a software application that requires you
to enter a 4-character code displayed for 60 seconds in order to perform a
few tasks. Luckily there are only 4 of them and there something you wouldn't

perform daily unless your job required it. I encouraged the developer to add

anoption to disable that captcha in future releases of this software. This
is not an Internet front-facing application so one wonders why the captcha
is even there in the first place.

As for audio captchas how many deaf-blind people do you know that could use
an audio captcha?My wife has normal hearing and she had trouble hearing the
characters spoken that's how badly garbled they were. Perhaps the new Web
tool would have the ability to remove background noise and improve the
quality of the audio making them easier to understand.

My wife will be home soon so I'll wind this up for now. All the best for

a great weekend.

Peter Donahue



----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Stone" <alexstone871@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: JAWS 14 FSCast


What about Webvisum?
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of George B
Sent: 07 September 2012 21:55
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS 14 FSCast

that one will never happen with a p c it will always have to be done with
site or audio

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 08:12
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 14 FSCast

Good morning everyone,

I'll be curious to see what kind of new Internet access tool
they're
adding to JFW 14 when the October FS Cast is available. Solving
captchas has
been something we've waited for screen reader vendors to address for
once
and for all. If FS has finally cracked this for us with this new
Internet
access tool they will have done something needed for a long time.
Recently I
have encountered captchas that are readable with screen readers. It
would be
interesting to know how the creators of such captcha applications are
able
to render the image characters so they can be read by screen readers
yet be
hidden from spam bots. Check out www.withheartandvoice.org particularly
their feedback form where you can see an example of this in action.
They're
using a service called www.textcaptcha.com.

If FS has developed an innovated Internet access solution that
addresses
this issue and other concerns great. If this thing is nothing more than
a
SamNet.com look-alike what a waste of time and resources that could
have
been used to fix other JFW problems. Guess we'll need to be sure to
check
out the October FS Cast when it becomes available.

Peter Donahue



----- Original Messag
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: JAWS 14 FSCast


Thanks to Dean Martineau's newsletter today, I learn that there is an
FSCast
on JAWS 14. I am in the school that wishes FS would fix problems rather
than
add new features, but the ones in JAWS 14 look very promising.

FS is making available Vocalizer voices, still being developed by
Nuance.
(Neither Eloquence nor RealSpeak has been upgraded in years.) Based on
the
FSCast demonstration, they sound more pleasing and appear more
responsive to
commands than RealSpeak. There may finally be a viable alternative to
Dectalk Express, which I have clung to through the years.

The demonstration of JAWS 14 and Windows 8 is also encouraging, and FS
has
made a change to how JAWS handles Outlook messages that might finally
convince me to upgrade from 2003.

The improvements to Text Analyzer look as though they'll simplify the
visual
aspects of editing documents.

Here's the link:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast069-
august2012.asp
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Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: JAWS 14 FSCast


What about Webvisum?
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of George B
Sent: 07 September 2012 21:55
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS 14 FSCast

that one will never happen with a p c it will always have to be done with
site or audio

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 08:12
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 14 FSCast

Good morning everyone,

I'll be curious to see what kind of new Internet access tool
they're
adding to JFW 14 when the October FS Cast is available. Solving
captchas has
been something we've waited for screen reader vendors to address for
once
and for all. If FS has finally cracked this for us with this new
Internet
access tool they will have done something needed for a long time.
Recently I
have encountered captchas that are readable with screen readers. It
would be
interesting to know how the creators of such captcha applications are
able
to render the image characters so they can be read by screen readers
yet be
hidden from spam bots. Check out www.withheartandvoice.org particularly
their feedback form where you can see an example of this in action.
They're
using a service called www.textcaptcha.com.

If FS has developed an innovated Internet access solution that
addresses
this issue and other concerns great. If this thing is nothing more than
a
SamNet.com look-alike what a waste of time and resources that could
have
been used to fix other JFW problems. Guess we'll need to be sure to
check
out the October FS Cast when it becomes available.

Peter Donahue



----- Original Messag
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: JAWS 14 FSCast


Thanks to Dean Martineau's newsletter today, I learn that there is an
FSCast
on JAWS 14. I am in the school that wishes FS would fix problems rather
than
add new features, but the ones in JAWS 14 look very promising.

FS is making available Vocalizer voices, still being developed by
Nuance.
(Neither Eloquence nor RealSpeak has been upgraded in years.) Based on
the
FSCast demonstration, they sound more pleasing and appear more
responsive to
commands than RealSpeak. There may finally be a viable alternative to
Dectalk Express, which I have clung to through the years.

The demonstration of JAWS 14 and Windows 8 is also encouraging, and FS
has
made a change to how JAWS handles Outlook messages that might finally
convince me to upgrade from 2003.

The improvements to Text Analyzer look as though they'll simplify the
visual
aspects of editing documents.

Here's the link:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast069-
august2012.asp
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Re: What? Windows 8?

Crystal French
 

Yes, my XP system has served me very well over the years and did what I needed it to do.

I guess though it is Windows 7 here I come.

Crystal

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cristobal" <crismunoz54@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?


Same here. I'm happy with my Win 7 machine after sticking with XP Pro for
eight years and being able to avoid Vista entirely. Besides, if I were to
consider getting a Win 8 machine, I'd probably wait at least until the first
service pac is released and perhaps a few JFW updates addressing God knows
whatever bugs and gremlins that are bound to pop up.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Rose Combs
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 3:23 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?

I plan to stay with 7 until and if something compelling makes me change,
something I need or want to do, my work place is still on XP, I did not jump
to Windows 7 the day it came out either.


Rose Combs
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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:05 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?

Debatable. I'm still on XP, so I don't really know what I'm talking about,
but I plan to advance straight to Windows 8. for one thing, it appears that
Windows 8 will give access to the kinds of apps we're always hearing about
with Apple. One feature mentioned on the FSCast is that every app will
indicate if it is accessible. The accessibility positives may not be
reliable, but it would save a lot of time to know when they're definitely
not. Improving accessibility features look like they might be an ongoing
advantage of Windows 8. I hope this isn't wishful thinking.

systems.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 2:24 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What? Windows 8?

Crystal. Many people ran XP for six years because they didn't want to bother
with Vista. There is no reason at all not to stick with Windows 7 for the
forseeable future.



At 01:10 PM 9/7/2012, you wrote:
Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have
Windows 7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

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Re: What? Windows 8?

Cristóbal
 

Same here. I'm happy with my Win 7 machine after sticking with XP Pro for
eight years and being able to avoid Vista entirely. Besides, if I were to
consider getting a Win 8 machine, I'd probably wait at least until the first
service pac is released and perhaps a few JFW updates addressing God knows
whatever bugs and gremlins that are bound to pop up.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Rose Combs
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 3:23 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?

I plan to stay with 7 until and if something compelling makes me change,
something I need or want to do, my work place is still on XP, I did not jump
to Windows 7 the day it came out either.


Rose Combs
rosecombs@Q.com


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:05 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?

Debatable. I'm still on XP, so I don't really know what I'm talking about,
but I plan to advance straight to Windows 8. for one thing, it appears that
Windows 8 will give access to the kinds of apps we're always hearing about
with Apple. One feature mentioned on the FSCast is that every app will
indicate if it is accessible. The accessibility positives may not be
reliable, but it would save a lot of time to know when they're definitely
not. Improving accessibility features look like they might be an ongoing
advantage of Windows 8. I hope this isn't wishful thinking.

systems.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 2:24 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What? Windows 8?

Crystal. Many people ran XP for six years because they didn't want to bother
with Vista. There is no reason at all not to stick with Windows 7 for the
forseeable future.



At 01:10 PM 9/7/2012, you wrote:
Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have
Windows 7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

Crystal, who is never up to speed

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Re: What? Windows 8?

Rose Combs <rosecombs@...>
 

I plan to stay with 7 until and if something compelling makes me change,
something I need or want to do, my work place is still on XP, I did not jump
to Windows 7 the day it came out either.


Rose Combs
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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:05 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?

Debatable. I'm still on XP, so I don't really know what I'm talking about,
but I plan to advance straight to Windows 8. for one thing, it appears that
Windows 8 will give access to the kinds of apps we're always hearing about
with Apple. One feature mentioned on the FSCast is that every app will
indicate if it is accessible. The accessibility positives may not be
reliable, but it would save a lot of time to know when they're definitely
not. Improving accessibility features look like they might be an ongoing
advantage of Windows 8. I hope this isn't wishful thinking.

systems.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 2:24 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What? Windows 8?

Crystal. Many people ran XP for six years because they didn't want to bother
with Vista. There is no reason at all not to stick with Windows 7 for the
forseeable future.



At 01:10 PM 9/7/2012, you wrote:
Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have
Windows 7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

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Only Two Solutions to Solve Captchas

Peter Donahue
 

Hello again everyone,

There are only two solutions that will work for us in our book to solve
captchas. They are:

1. Including a captcha solver in screen reading products and:

2. Encourage Web and application developers to use captcha alternatives.

Perhaps what FS and company has failed to consider is that there could
be legal and lotgistical issues waiting to be sprung on them if they
continue to refuse to add a captcha solver to JFW. They'd be damned if they
did and damned if they didn't!

Sorry guys but this is something I'm very passionate about. If this new
Web tool is a subscription service I would not buy it unless a captcha
solver was included. Web Vism is a good tool but if you don't want to be
married to FireFox a cross-browser and application captcha solution is
necessary. I recently encountered a software application that requires you
to enter a 4-character code displayed for 60 seconds in order to perform a
few tasks. Luckily there are only 4 of them and there something you wouldn't
perform daily unless your job required it. I encouraged the developer to add
anoption to disable that captcha in future releases of this software. This
is not an Internet front-facing application so one wonders why the captcha
is even there in the first place.

As for audio captchas how many deaf-blind people do you know that could use
an audio captcha?My wife has normal hearing and she had trouble hearing the
characters spoken that's how badly garbled they were. Perhaps the new Web
tool would have the ability to remove background noise and improve the
quality of the audio making them easier to understand.

My wife will be home soon so I'll wind this up for now. All the best for
a great weekend.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Stone" <alexstone871@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: JAWS 14 FSCast


What about Webvisum?
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of George B
Sent: 07 September 2012 21:55
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS 14 FSCast

that one will never happen with a p c it will always have to be done with
site or audio

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 08:12
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 14 FSCast

Good morning everyone,

I'll be curious to see what kind of new Internet access tool
they're
adding to JFW 14 when the October FS Cast is available. Solving
captchas has
been something we've waited for screen reader vendors to address for
once
and for all. If FS has finally cracked this for us with this new
Internet
access tool they will have done something needed for a long time.
Recently I
have encountered captchas that are readable with screen readers. It
would be
interesting to know how the creators of such captcha applications are
able
to render the image characters so they can be read by screen readers
yet be
hidden from spam bots. Check out www.withheartandvoice.org particularly
their feedback form where you can see an example of this in action.
They're
using a service called www.textcaptcha.com.

If FS has developed an innovated Internet access solution that
addresses
this issue and other concerns great. If this thing is nothing more than
a
SamNet.com look-alike what a waste of time and resources that could
have
been used to fix other JFW problems. Guess we'll need to be sure to
check
out the October FS Cast when it becomes available.

Peter Donahue



----- Original Messag
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: JAWS 14 FSCast


Thanks to Dean Martineau's newsletter today, I learn that there is an
FSCast
on JAWS 14. I am in the school that wishes FS would fix problems rather
than
add new features, but the ones in JAWS 14 look very promising.

FS is making available Vocalizer voices, still being developed by
Nuance.
(Neither Eloquence nor RealSpeak has been upgraded in years.) Based on
the
FSCast demonstration, they sound more pleasing and appear more
responsive to
commands than RealSpeak. There may finally be a viable alternative to
Dectalk Express, which I have clung to through the years.

The demonstration of JAWS 14 and Windows 8 is also encouraging, and FS
has
made a change to how JAWS handles Outlook messages that might finally
convince me to upgrade from 2003.

The improvements to Text Analyzer look as though they'll simplify the
visual
aspects of editing documents.

Here's the link:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast069-
august2012.asp
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Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: JAWS 14 FSCast


What about Webvisum?
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of George B
Sent: 07 September 2012 21:55
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS 14 FSCast

that one will never happen with a p c it will always have to be done with
site or audio

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 08:12
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 14 FSCast

Good morning everyone,

I'll be curious to see what kind of new Internet access tool
they're
adding to JFW 14 when the October FS Cast is available. Solving
captchas has
been something we've waited for screen reader vendors to address for
once
and for all. If FS has finally cracked this for us with this new
Internet
access tool they will have done something needed for a long time.
Recently I
have encountered captchas that are readable with screen readers. It
would be
interesting to know how the creators of such captcha applications are
able
to render the image characters so they can be read by screen readers
yet be
hidden from spam bots. Check out www.withheartandvoice.org particularly
their feedback form where you can see an example of this in action.
They're
using a service called www.textcaptcha.com.

If FS has developed an innovated Internet access solution that
addresses
this issue and other concerns great. If this thing is nothing more than
a
SamNet.com look-alike what a waste of time and resources that could
have
been used to fix other JFW problems. Guess we'll need to be sure to
check
out the October FS Cast when it becomes available.

Peter Donahue



----- Original Messag
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: JAWS 14 FSCast


Thanks to Dean Martineau's newsletter today, I learn that there is an
FSCast
on JAWS 14. I am in the school that wishes FS would fix problems rather
than
add new features, but the ones in JAWS 14 look very promising.

FS is making available Vocalizer voices, still being developed by
Nuance.
(Neither Eloquence nor RealSpeak has been upgraded in years.) Based on
the
FSCast demonstration, they sound more pleasing and appear more
responsive to
commands than RealSpeak. There may finally be a viable alternative to
Dectalk Express, which I have clung to through the years.

The demonstration of JAWS 14 and Windows 8 is also encouraging, and FS
has
made a change to how JAWS handles Outlook messages that might finally
convince me to upgrade from 2003.

The improvements to Text Analyzer look as though they'll simplify the
visual
aspects of editing documents.

Here's the link:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast069-
august2012.asp
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Re: JAWS 14 FSCast

Peter Donahue
 

Good afternoon everyone,

Unless the legal use of captchas is challenged particularly if it means
jeopardizing jobs, and making parts of software unusable by us things won't
change. Since I design Web sites I know there are captcha alternatives that
can be used some of which involve no user interaction. The ColdFusion
CFFormProtect Utility is one example of this. I know because I've installed
it on several Web sites. If more developers rolled up their sleeves, screen
reader vendors quit giving us the same old horsepucky with the line that if
their product could read captcha characters so could a spam bot, and the
blind demanded an end to the use of these things in place of screen
reader-friendly alternatives captchas and their kin could soon be on the
endangered species list. I'm also tired of hearing the line about comparing
apples and oranges. They're different fruits but can grow in the same
orchard so let's not go there!

Since I design Web sites I know for a fact that there are alternatives that
are just as effective against spam bots as are captchas. Some of them like
the ColdFusion CFFormProtect Module can stop spammers without any
interaction by site visitors. Perhaps the same technology used by
textcaptcha.com could be modified to allow JAWS to recognize captcha images
so users can read them but spam bots cannot. These folks have obviously
found a way to make that happen. When I submitted a feedback form on
www.withheart and voice.com JAWS read the captcha question perfectly along
with my response and I was successfully able to submit the form without
sighted help. Someone has all ready done what I keep hearing "Will never
happen", etc. Garbage! Screen reader developers need to implement it in
their products. Anyway let's see what FS has developed with this shiny new
Web access toy.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message -----
From: "George B" <gbmagoo@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 3:54 PM
Subject: RE: JAWS 14 FSCast


that one will never happen with a p c it will always have to be done with
site or audio

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 08:12
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 14 FSCast

Good morning everyone,

I'll be curious to see what kind of new Internet access tool
they're
adding to JFW 14 when the October FS Cast is available. Solving
captchas has
been something we've waited for screen reader vendors to address for
once
and for all. If FS has finally cracked this for us with this new
Internet
access tool they will have done something needed for a long time.
Recently I
have encountered captchas that are readable with screen readers. It
would be
interesting to know how the creators of such captcha applications are
able
to render the image characters so they can be read by screen readers
yet be
hidden from spam bots. Check out www.withheartandvoice.org particularly
their feedback form where you can see an example of this in action.
They're
using a service called www.textcaptcha.com.

If FS has developed an innovated Internet access solution that
addresses
this issue and other concerns great. If this thing is nothing more than
a
SamNet.com look-alike what a waste of time and resources that could
have
been used to fix other JFW problems. Guess we'll need to be sure to
check
out the October FS Cast when it becomes available.

Peter Donahue



----- Original Messag
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: JAWS 14 FSCast


Thanks to Dean Martineau's newsletter today, I learn that there is an
FSCast
on JAWS 14. I am in the school that wishes FS would fix problems rather
than
add new features, but the ones in JAWS 14 look very promising.

FS is making available Vocalizer voices, still being developed by
Nuance.
(Neither Eloquence nor RealSpeak has been upgraded in years.) Based on
the
FSCast demonstration, they sound more pleasing and appear more
responsive to
commands than RealSpeak. There may finally be a viable alternative to
Dectalk Express, which I have clung to through the years.

The demonstration of JAWS 14 and Windows 8 is also encouraging, and FS
has
made a change to how JAWS handles Outlook messages that might finally
convince me to upgrade from 2003.

The improvements to Text Analyzer look as though they'll simplify the
visual
aspects of editing documents.

Here's the link:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast069-
august2012.asp
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Re: JAWS 14 FSCast

Alex Stone <alexstone871@...>
 

What about Webvisum?
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of George B
Sent: 07 September 2012 21:55
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS 14 FSCast

that one will never happen with a p c it will always have to be done with
site or audio

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 08:12
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 14 FSCast

Good morning everyone,

I'll be curious to see what kind of new Internet access tool
they're
adding to JFW 14 when the October FS Cast is available. Solving
captchas has
been something we've waited for screen reader vendors to address for
once
and for all. If FS has finally cracked this for us with this new
Internet
access tool they will have done something needed for a long time.
Recently I
have encountered captchas that are readable with screen readers. It
would be
interesting to know how the creators of such captcha applications are
able
to render the image characters so they can be read by screen readers
yet be
hidden from spam bots. Check out www.withheartandvoice.org particularly
their feedback form where you can see an example of this in action.
They're
using a service called www.textcaptcha.com.

If FS has developed an innovated Internet access solution that
addresses
this issue and other concerns great. If this thing is nothing more than
a
SamNet.com look-alike what a waste of time and resources that could
have
been used to fix other JFW problems. Guess we'll need to be sure to
check
out the October FS Cast when it becomes available.

Peter Donahue



----- Original Messag
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: JAWS 14 FSCast


Thanks to Dean Martineau's newsletter today, I learn that there is an
FSCast
on JAWS 14. I am in the school that wishes FS would fix problems rather
than
add new features, but the ones in JAWS 14 look very promising.

FS is making available Vocalizer voices, still being developed by
Nuance.
(Neither Eloquence nor RealSpeak has been upgraded in years.) Based on
the
FSCast demonstration, they sound more pleasing and appear more
responsive to
commands than RealSpeak. There may finally be a viable alternative to
Dectalk Express, which I have clung to through the years.

The demonstration of JAWS 14 and Windows 8 is also encouraging, and FS
has
made a change to how JAWS handles Outlook messages that might finally
convince me to upgrade from 2003.

The improvements to Text Analyzer look as though they'll simplify the
visual
aspects of editing documents.

Here's the link:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast069-
august2012.asp
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Re: Occasional JAWS 13

Kimber Gardner
 

Your experience with jaws 13 and word 2003 mirrors ny own. Since word is the application I use most often, I remain a loyal jaws 12 user. I guess we' ll see what jaws 14 brings.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Sep 7, 2012, at 2:22 PM, "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...> wrote:

OK.
I use JAWS 13 only in an emergency. Here is what happened (BTW this is not recommended).
Our crack IT Department introduced an automatic update distribution product that is supposed, somehow, to update computers on the network with security patches and such. It is supposed to do so without requiring a computer restart.
The next morning after deployment (I had JAWS 12 running on my laptop and logged in to the network, though I was sleeping), JAWS 12 completely stopped working with IE. Things that worked perfectly just stopped. The labels in a Web application I have to use vanished. The so-called "Quick Keys" all stopped working. In short, I think JAWS 12 was corrupted -- at least insofar as IE is concerned.
Well, I could do a JAWS repair, but I have to get someone from the IT Department (I'm not trusted with administrative rights). So, I just started using JAWS 13. It worked better in IE than did my corrupted JAWS 12 (which isn't saying much).
I discovered, however, that in Office 2003 products, JAWS 13, in a word, sucks. The proper headers are not read; it doesn't handle the calendar correctly; it fails to read track changes, and so on.
So, I unload JAWS 13 and load JAWS 12 when I need to work in Office 2003 applications.
Our IT Department is allegedly building a new laptop with Office 2010. So, I'm tolerating this strange state of affairs for another couple of days.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Occasional JAWS 13

Ed,

I'd be interested in knowing for what functions you occasionally use JAWS
13?

I might want to adopt that methodology.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 10:34
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?


Windows 8 may ve interesting. I listened to a Podcast through iBlink Radio
(iPhone App) put out by the NVDA folks.
It looks like Windows 8 will have touch screen gesture type functionality as
well as support for little programs, like Apps on the iPhone, that connect
to the Web but do not require the browser as is typically the case in
Windows today.
If JAWS 14 is fully supporting all that new Windows 8 stuff, the things
broken in JAWS 13 will probably just stay broken.

I guess we will just have to wait. I'm content with JAWS 12, even though I
have (and occasionally have to use) that train wreck called JAWS 13.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: What? Windows 8?

Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have Windows
7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

Crystal, who is never up to speed


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Re: JAWS 14 FSCast

George B
 

that one will never happen with a p c it will always have to be done with
site or audio

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 08:12
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 14 FSCast

Good morning everyone,

I'll be curious to see what kind of new Internet access tool
they're
adding to JFW 14 when the October FS Cast is available. Solving
captchas has
been something we've waited for screen reader vendors to address for
once
and for all. If FS has finally cracked this for us with this new
Internet
access tool they will have done something needed for a long time.
Recently I
have encountered captchas that are readable with screen readers. It
would be
interesting to know how the creators of such captcha applications are
able
to render the image characters so they can be read by screen readers
yet be
hidden from spam bots. Check out www.withheartandvoice.org particularly
their feedback form where you can see an example of this in action.
They're
using a service called www.textcaptcha.com.

If FS has developed an innovated Internet access solution that
addresses
this issue and other concerns great. If this thing is nothing more than
a
SamNet.com look-alike what a waste of time and resources that could
have
been used to fix other JFW problems. Guess we'll need to be sure to
check
out the October FS Cast when it becomes available.

Peter Donahue



----- Original Messag
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: JAWS 14 FSCast


Thanks to Dean Martineau's newsletter today, I learn that there is an
FSCast
on JAWS 14. I am in the school that wishes FS would fix problems rather
than
add new features, but the ones in JAWS 14 look very promising.

FS is making available Vocalizer voices, still being developed by
Nuance.
(Neither Eloquence nor RealSpeak has been upgraded in years.) Based on
the
FSCast demonstration, they sound more pleasing and appear more
responsive to
commands than RealSpeak. There may finally be a viable alternative to
Dectalk Express, which I have clung to through the years.

The demonstration of JAWS 14 and Windows 8 is also encouraging, and FS
has
made a change to how JAWS handles Outlook messages that might finally
convince me to upgrade from 2003.

The improvements to Text Analyzer look as though they'll simplify the
visual
aspects of editing documents.

Here's the link:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast069-
august2012.asp
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Re: What? Windows 8?

Cy Selfridge
 

I can not imagine how much one could have if one suddenly switched to
Windows 8 and JAWS 14 all at the same time. (LOLLOLLOLLOL)
Better keep that old typewriter handy.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:47 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?

On the FSCast, they make the point that they've worked with MS to
incorporate keyboard commands and to maintain the JAWS cursor. The two
limitations I recall are that first-letter navigation will no longer work,
at least in what we know as the start menu, and JAWS cursor will no longer
work in unrestricted mode. The JAWS cursor's range will be limited to the
application you're in. (I hope I recall correctly.)

I meant to mention that Windows 8 is scheduled for release on October 26,
and JAWS 14 is planned for release in late October.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 1:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?

Windows 8 may ve interesting. I listened to a Podcast through iBlink Radio
(iPhone App) put out by the NVDA folks.
It looks like Windows 8 will have touch screen gesture type functionality as
well as support for little programs, like Apps on the iPhone, that connect
to the Web but do not require the browser as is typically the case in
Windows today.
If JAWS 14 is fully supporting all that new Windows 8 stuff, the things
broken in JAWS 13 will probably just stay broken.

I guess we will just have to wait. I'm content with JAWS 12, even though I
have (and occasionally have to use) that train wreck called JAWS 13.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: What? Windows 8?

Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have Windows
7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

Crystal, who is never up to speed


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Re: What? Windows 8?

Adrian Spratt
 

Debatable. I'm still on XP, so I don't really know what I'm talking about,
but I plan to advance straight to Windows 8. for one thing, it appears that
Windows 8 will give access to the kinds of apps we're always hearing about
with Apple. One feature mentioned on the FSCast is that every app will
indicate if it is accessible. The accessibility positives may not be
reliable, but it would save a lot of time to know when they're definitely
not. Improving accessibility features look like they might be an ongoing
advantage of Windows 8. I hope this isn't wishful thinking.

systems.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 2:24 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What? Windows 8?

Crystal. Many people ran XP for six years because they didn't want to bother
with Vista. There is no reason at all not to stick with Windows 7 for the
forseeable future.



At 01:10 PM 9/7/2012, you wrote:
Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have
Windows 7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

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Re: What? Windows 8?

Adrian Spratt
 

On the FSCast, they make the point that they've worked with MS to
incorporate keyboard commands and to maintain the JAWS cursor. The two
limitations I recall are that first-letter navigation will no longer work,
at least in what we know as the start menu, and JAWS cursor will no longer
work in unrestricted mode. The JAWS cursor's range will be limited to the
application you're in. (I hope I recall correctly.)

I meant to mention that Windows 8 is scheduled for release on October 26,
and JAWS 14 is planned for release in late October.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 1:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?

Windows 8 may ve interesting. I listened to a Podcast through iBlink Radio
(iPhone App) put out by the NVDA folks.
It looks like Windows 8 will have touch screen gesture type functionality as
well as support for little programs, like Apps on the iPhone, that connect
to the Web but do not require the browser as is typically the case in
Windows today.
If JAWS 14 is fully supporting all that new Windows 8 stuff, the things
broken in JAWS 13 will probably just stay broken.

I guess we will just have to wait. I'm content with JAWS 12, even though I
have (and occasionally have to use) that train wreck called JAWS 13.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: What? Windows 8?

Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have Windows
7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

Crystal, who is never up to speed


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