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Re: JAWS 14 FSCast

George B
 

that one will never happen with a p c it will always have to be done with
site or audio

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 08:12
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 14 FSCast

Good morning everyone,

I'll be curious to see what kind of new Internet access tool
they're
adding to JFW 14 when the October FS Cast is available. Solving
captchas has
been something we've waited for screen reader vendors to address for
once
and for all. If FS has finally cracked this for us with this new
Internet
access tool they will have done something needed for a long time.
Recently I
have encountered captchas that are readable with screen readers. It
would be
interesting to know how the creators of such captcha applications are
able
to render the image characters so they can be read by screen readers
yet be
hidden from spam bots. Check out www.withheartandvoice.org particularly
their feedback form where you can see an example of this in action.
They're
using a service called www.textcaptcha.com.

If FS has developed an innovated Internet access solution that
addresses
this issue and other concerns great. If this thing is nothing more than
a
SamNet.com look-alike what a waste of time and resources that could
have
been used to fix other JFW problems. Guess we'll need to be sure to
check
out the October FS Cast when it becomes available.

Peter Donahue



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From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: JAWS 14 FSCast


Thanks to Dean Martineau's newsletter today, I learn that there is an
FSCast
on JAWS 14. I am in the school that wishes FS would fix problems rather
than
add new features, but the ones in JAWS 14 look very promising.

FS is making available Vocalizer voices, still being developed by
Nuance.
(Neither Eloquence nor RealSpeak has been upgraded in years.) Based on
the
FSCast demonstration, they sound more pleasing and appear more
responsive to
commands than RealSpeak. There may finally be a viable alternative to
Dectalk Express, which I have clung to through the years.

The demonstration of JAWS 14 and Windows 8 is also encouraging, and FS
has
made a change to how JAWS handles Outlook messages that might finally
convince me to upgrade from 2003.

The improvements to Text Analyzer look as though they'll simplify the
visual
aspects of editing documents.

Here's the link:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast069-
august2012.asp
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Re: What? Windows 8?

Cy Selfridge
 

I can not imagine how much one could have if one suddenly switched to
Windows 8 and JAWS 14 all at the same time. (LOLLOLLOLLOL)
Better keep that old typewriter handy.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:47 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?

On the FSCast, they make the point that they've worked with MS to
incorporate keyboard commands and to maintain the JAWS cursor. The two
limitations I recall are that first-letter navigation will no longer work,
at least in what we know as the start menu, and JAWS cursor will no longer
work in unrestricted mode. The JAWS cursor's range will be limited to the
application you're in. (I hope I recall correctly.)

I meant to mention that Windows 8 is scheduled for release on October 26,
and JAWS 14 is planned for release in late October.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 1:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?

Windows 8 may ve interesting. I listened to a Podcast through iBlink Radio
(iPhone App) put out by the NVDA folks.
It looks like Windows 8 will have touch screen gesture type functionality as
well as support for little programs, like Apps on the iPhone, that connect
to the Web but do not require the browser as is typically the case in
Windows today.
If JAWS 14 is fully supporting all that new Windows 8 stuff, the things
broken in JAWS 13 will probably just stay broken.

I guess we will just have to wait. I'm content with JAWS 12, even though I
have (and occasionally have to use) that train wreck called JAWS 13.


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: What? Windows 8?

Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have Windows
7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

Crystal, who is never up to speed


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Re: What? Windows 8?

Adrian Spratt
 

Debatable. I'm still on XP, so I don't really know what I'm talking about,
but I plan to advance straight to Windows 8. for one thing, it appears that
Windows 8 will give access to the kinds of apps we're always hearing about
with Apple. One feature mentioned on the FSCast is that every app will
indicate if it is accessible. The accessibility positives may not be
reliable, but it would save a lot of time to know when they're definitely
not. Improving accessibility features look like they might be an ongoing
advantage of Windows 8. I hope this isn't wishful thinking.

systems.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 2:24 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What? Windows 8?

Crystal. Many people ran XP for six years because they didn't want to bother
with Vista. There is no reason at all not to stick with Windows 7 for the
forseeable future.



At 01:10 PM 9/7/2012, you wrote:
Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have
Windows 7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

Crystal, who is never up to speed

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Re: What? Windows 8?

Adrian Spratt
 

On the FSCast, they make the point that they've worked with MS to
incorporate keyboard commands and to maintain the JAWS cursor. The two
limitations I recall are that first-letter navigation will no longer work,
at least in what we know as the start menu, and JAWS cursor will no longer
work in unrestricted mode. The JAWS cursor's range will be limited to the
application you're in. (I hope I recall correctly.)

I meant to mention that Windows 8 is scheduled for release on October 26,
and JAWS 14 is planned for release in late October.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 1:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?

Windows 8 may ve interesting. I listened to a Podcast through iBlink Radio
(iPhone App) put out by the NVDA folks.
It looks like Windows 8 will have touch screen gesture type functionality as
well as support for little programs, like Apps on the iPhone, that connect
to the Web but do not require the browser as is typically the case in
Windows today.
If JAWS 14 is fully supporting all that new Windows 8 stuff, the things
broken in JAWS 13 will probably just stay broken.

I guess we will just have to wait. I'm content with JAWS 12, even though I
have (and occasionally have to use) that train wreck called JAWS 13.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: What? Windows 8?

Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have Windows
7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

Crystal, who is never up to speed


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Re: What? Windows 8?

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Crystal. Many people ran XP for six years because they didn't want to bother with Vista. There is no reason at all not to stick with Windows 7 for the forseeable future.



At 01:10 PM 9/7/2012, you wrote:
Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have Windows 7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

Crystal, who is never up to speed

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Re: Occasional JAWS 13

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

OK.
I use JAWS 13 only in an emergency. Here is what happened (BTW this is not recommended).
Our crack IT Department introduced an automatic update distribution product that is supposed, somehow, to update computers on the network with security patches and such. It is supposed to do so without requiring a computer restart.
The next morning after deployment (I had JAWS 12 running on my laptop and logged in to the network, though I was sleeping), JAWS 12 completely stopped working with IE. Things that worked perfectly just stopped. The labels in a Web application I have to use vanished. The so-called "Quick Keys" all stopped working. In short, I think JAWS 12 was corrupted -- at least insofar as IE is concerned.
Well, I could do a JAWS repair, but I have to get someone from the IT Department (I'm not trusted with administrative rights). So, I just started using JAWS 13. It worked better in IE than did my corrupted JAWS 12 (which isn't saying much).
I discovered, however, that in Office 2003 products, JAWS 13, in a word, sucks. The proper headers are not read; it doesn't handle the calendar correctly; it fails to read track changes, and so on.
So, I unload JAWS 13 and load JAWS 12 when I need to work in Office 2003 applications.
Our IT Department is allegedly building a new laptop with Office 2010. So, I'm tolerating this strange state of affairs for another couple of days.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Occasional JAWS 13

Ed,

I'd be interested in knowing for what functions you occasionally use JAWS
13?

I might want to adopt that methodology.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 10:34
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?


Windows 8 may ve interesting. I listened to a Podcast through iBlink Radio
(iPhone App) put out by the NVDA folks.
It looks like Windows 8 will have touch screen gesture type functionality as
well as support for little programs, like Apps on the iPhone, that connect
to the Web but do not require the browser as is typically the case in
Windows today.
If JAWS 14 is fully supporting all that new Windows 8 stuff, the things
broken in JAWS 13 will probably just stay broken.

I guess we will just have to wait. I'm content with JAWS 12, even though I
have (and occasionally have to use) that train wreck called JAWS 13.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: What? Windows 8?

Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have Windows
7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

Crystal, who is never up to speed


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Re: What? Windows 8?

Cristóbal
 

Research It is looking more and more like a feature that has outgrown its
purpose with all this "app" support. Can't say i used it much anyway.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 10:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?

Windows 8 may ve interesting. I listened to a Podcast through iBlink Radio
(iPhone App) put out by the NVDA folks.
It looks like Windows 8 will have touch screen gesture type functionality as
well as support for little programs, like Apps on the iPhone, that connect
to the Web but do not require the browser as is typically the case in
Windows today.
If JAWS 14 is fully supporting all that new Windows 8 stuff, the things
broken in JAWS 13 will probably just stay broken.

I guess we will just have to wait. I'm content with JAWS 12, even though I
have (and occasionally have to use) that train wreck called JAWS 13.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: What? Windows 8?

Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have Windows
7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

Crystal, who is never up to speed


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Occasional JAWS 13

Dave...
 

Ed,

I'd be interested in knowing for what functions you occasionally use JAWS
13?

I might want to adopt that methodology.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 10:34
Subject: RE: What? Windows 8?


Windows 8 may ve interesting. I listened to a Podcast through iBlink Radio
(iPhone App) put out by the NVDA folks.
It looks like Windows 8 will have touch screen gesture type functionality as
well as support for little programs, like Apps on the iPhone, that connect
to the Web but do not require the browser as is typically the case in
Windows today.
If JAWS 14 is fully supporting all that new Windows 8 stuff, the things
broken in JAWS 13 will probably just stay broken.

I guess we will just have to wait. I'm content with JAWS 12, even though I
have (and occasionally have to use) that train wreck called JAWS 13.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: What? Windows 8?

Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have Windows
7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

Crystal, who is never up to speed


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Re: What? Windows 8?

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Windows 8 may ve interesting. I listened to a Podcast through iBlink Radio (iPhone App) put out by the NVDA folks.
It looks like Windows 8 will have touch screen gesture type functionality as well as support for little programs, like Apps on the iPhone, that connect to the Web but do not require the browser as is typically the case in Windows today.
If JAWS 14 is fully supporting all that new Windows 8 stuff, the things broken in JAWS 13 will probably just stay broken.

I guess we will just have to wait. I'm content with JAWS 12, even though I have (and occasionally have to use) that train wreck called JAWS 13.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: What? Windows 8?

Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have Windows
7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

Crystal, who is never up to speed


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Upgrading JAWS Please be Careful

Paul Bolduc
 

Good afternoon,



I say please be careful because maybe some programs would not be compatible
with the upgrade.



I cannot upgrade beyond JAWS 13 because it would not be compatible with
J-Say and then I don't know what can of worms I might have opened.



This came from the company that installed JAWS, J-Say and a few more
programs. There would have to be several major improvements which at the
present time doesn't seem to be so in my viewpoint I'm not going to gamble.




Everybody have a Great Weekend,



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What? Windows 8?

Crystal French
 

Oh, good grief.

I'm working on getting a new computer right now, which will have Windows 7...

Now, they are putting out an 8.

At least, my Jaws is current, for whatever that is worth.

<sigh>

Crystal, who is never up to speed


Re: JAWS 14 FSCast

Gerald Levy
 

Sorry, but I don't thtink FS has any plans to add a captcha-solving feature to JAWS 14. Eric Damery has claimed in the past that there are too many legal and logistical issues involved . So for the foreseeable future, Wevisum with Firefox will remain the only viable captcha-solving option. The impression I got from the FSCast is that whatever feature is being added to JAWS 14 involves enhanced web search capability, not captcha deciphering.

Gerald

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS 14 FSCast


Good morning everyone,

I'll be curious to see what kind of new Internet access tool they're
adding to JFW 14 when the October FS Cast is available. Solving captchas has
been something we've waited for screen reader vendors to address for once
and for all. If FS has finally cracked this for us with this new Internet
access tool they will have done something needed for a long time. Recently I
have encountered captchas that are readable with screen readers. It would be
interesting to know how the creators of such captcha applications are able
to render the image characters so they can be read by screen readers yet be
hidden from spam bots. Check out www.withheartandvoice.org particularly
their feedback form where you can see an example of this in action. They're
using a service called www.textcaptcha.com.

If FS has developed an innovated Internet access solution that addresses
this issue and other concerns great. If this thing is nothing more than a
SamNet.com look-alike what a waste of time and resources that could have
been used to fix other JFW problems. Guess we'll need to be sure to check
out the October FS Cast when it becomes available.

Peter Donahue



----- Original Messag
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: JAWS 14 FSCast


Thanks to Dean Martineau's newsletter today, I learn that there is an FSCast
on JAWS 14. I am in the school that wishes FS would fix problems rather than
add new features, but the ones in JAWS 14 look very promising.

FS is making available Vocalizer voices, still being developed by Nuance.
(Neither Eloquence nor RealSpeak has been upgraded in years.) Based on the
FSCast demonstration, they sound more pleasing and appear more responsive to
commands than RealSpeak. There may finally be a viable alternative to
Dectalk Express, which I have clung to through the years.

The demonstration of JAWS 14 and Windows 8 is also encouraging, and FS has
made a change to how JAWS handles Outlook messages that might finally
convince me to upgrade from 2003.

The improvements to Text Analyzer look as though they'll simplify the visual
aspects of editing documents.

Here's the link:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast069-august2012.asp
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Re: JAWS 14 FSCast

Peter Donahue
 

Good morning everyone,

I'll be curious to see what kind of new Internet access tool they're
adding to JFW 14 when the October FS Cast is available. Solving captchas has
been something we've waited for screen reader vendors to address for once
and for all. If FS has finally cracked this for us with this new Internet
access tool they will have done something needed for a long time. Recently I
have encountered captchas that are readable with screen readers. It would be
interesting to know how the creators of such captcha applications are able
to render the image characters so they can be read by screen readers yet be
hidden from spam bots. Check out www.withheartandvoice.org particularly
their feedback form where you can see an example of this in action. They're
using a service called www.textcaptcha.com.

If FS has developed an innovated Internet access solution that addresses
this issue and other concerns great. If this thing is nothing more than a
SamNet.com look-alike what a waste of time and resources that could have
been used to fix other JFW problems. Guess we'll need to be sure to check
out the October FS Cast when it becomes available.

Peter Donahue



----- Original Messag
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: JAWS 14 FSCast


Thanks to Dean Martineau's newsletter today, I learn that there is an FSCast
on JAWS 14. I am in the school that wishes FS would fix problems rather than
add new features, but the ones in JAWS 14 look very promising.

FS is making available Vocalizer voices, still being developed by Nuance.
(Neither Eloquence nor RealSpeak has been upgraded in years.) Based on the
FSCast demonstration, they sound more pleasing and appear more responsive to
commands than RealSpeak. There may finally be a viable alternative to
Dectalk Express, which I have clung to through the years.

The demonstration of JAWS 14 and Windows 8 is also encouraging, and FS has
made a change to how JAWS handles Outlook messages that might finally
convince me to upgrade from 2003.

The improvements to Text Analyzer look as though they'll simplify the visual
aspects of editing documents.

Here's the link:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast069-august2012.asp
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Re: Glad to Hear

Dave...
 

JM,

Yes, for those who continue with SMA these annual releases can be evaluated
and tossed. But for others who let the SMA lapse the cost to upgrade is very
high. The luxury of choosing is expensive. Still I agree that whether to
upgrade or not is a choice --- but it is a choice with some penalties either
way.

What version have you decided to stay with?
I'm still with 13.0.924.

And has anyone wondered why the "0" never seems to change? What happened to
that? I started with 3.5. Not 3.0.5. I guess major or significant patches
don't happen anymore.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 06:14
Subject: Re: Glad to Hear


I do agree with this. But remember, nobody has to upgrade just because an
upgrade is available. I tend not to, myself, unless I hear about some
glorious new feature that I absolutely must have, right now! Want to guess
how often that happens? lol

Stick with what works.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 1:01 AM
Subject: RE: Glad to Hear


Sometimes it seems like, with JAWS, it is one step forward and two steps
back.
Case in point.
Reading a track change document with JAWS 13, there is no indication of
what was inserted or what was deleted. A critical issue.
Read the same exact document with JAWS 12 (with the same track change
settings in effect in both Word and JAWS) and everything is announced
perfectly.
I confirmed just today with Freedom Scientific that JAWS 13 broke track
change recognition. It is partly fixed in the most recent build and is
supposed to be completely fixed with the next build.
Don't physicians have to take an oath, the Hippocratic Oath, that, at
least, they will do no harm?
I wish programmers took such an oath and were prohibited from releasing
any product with any new feature until it was verified that no damage was
done.
Continuing the analogy, when a physician cuts off the wrong leg he gets
sued. So, ...



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:40 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Glad to Hear

New set of bugs? Lol, good one. That reminded me of a fellow colleague of
mine here at the district, an assistive technology specialist for a large
part of the state, recently switched over to the mac and told me to switch
over to the mac because with jaws, all people are doing is paying for bug
fixes.

Now that is nothing to do with anything, I just thought of his comment
when
Mr. Dave Carlson said something about bug fixes.

Kimsan Song
Online Access Technology Trainer
Phone:
509-396-1646
Email:
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Skype:
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@BlindAccess
Facebook:
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Website:
www.BlindAccessTraining.com


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Glad to Hear

I'm glad to hear that no one has any more problems with JAWS, and that we
are all looking forward to the new set of bugs soon to be released with
version 14. Just can't wait.

Dave Carlson
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Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

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Re: Glad to Hear

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I do agree with this. But remember, nobody has to upgrade just because an upgrade is available. I tend not to, myself, unless I hear about some glorious new feature that I absolutely must have, right now! Want to guess how often that happens? lol

Stick with what works.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 1:01 AM
Subject: RE: Glad to Hear


Sometimes it seems like, with JAWS, it is one step forward and two steps back.
Case in point.
Reading a track change document with JAWS 13, there is no indication of what was inserted or what was deleted. A critical issue.
Read the same exact document with JAWS 12 (with the same track change settings in effect in both Word and JAWS) and everything is announced perfectly.
I confirmed just today with Freedom Scientific that JAWS 13 broke track change recognition. It is partly fixed in the most recent build and is supposed to be completely fixed with the next build.
Don't physicians have to take an oath, the Hippocratic Oath, that, at least, they will do no harm?
I wish programmers took such an oath and were prohibited from releasing any product with any new feature until it was verified that no damage was done.
Continuing the analogy, when a physician cuts off the wrong leg he gets sued. So, ...



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:40 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Glad to Hear

New set of bugs? Lol, good one. That reminded me of a fellow colleague of
mine here at the district, an assistive technology specialist for a large
part of the state, recently switched over to the mac and told me to switch
over to the mac because with jaws, all people are doing is paying for bug
fixes.

Now that is nothing to do with anything, I just thought of his comment when
Mr. Dave Carlson said something about bug fixes.

Kimsan Song
Online Access Technology Trainer
Phone:
509-396-1646
Email:
Kimsan@blindaccesstraining.com
Skype:
Blindaccesstrainer
Twitter:
@BlindAccess
Facebook:
www.facebook.com/blindaccesstraining
Website:
www.BlindAccessTraining.com


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Glad to Hear

I'm glad to hear that no one has any more problems with JAWS, and that we
are all looking forward to the new set of bugs soon to be released with
version 14. Just can't wait.

Dave Carlson
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Re: An MS Word 2007 Question

George B
 

you need to go to the view tab and change the view to one page not side by
side.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 16:46
To: Jaws users e-mail list
Subject: Fw: An MS Word 2007 Question

Hello, everyone.

I sent the following quiry to the list yesterday, but got no response.

I was on travel, and the ISP that was available to me was acting flaky,
so
perhaps the post didn't get through.

Any help with the question below would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <TomBehler@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 4:29 PM
Subject: An MS Word 2007 Question


Hello, folks.

I am on travel, and am using my University laptop while working with
some
documents related to my new job as a University Department Head.

I have a question that I'm hoping someone can help me with:
Currently, when I read through a document, I must manually change
pages when I come to the next page. And, when I do, it puts me at
the
bottom of the next page, rather than at the top. My sighted wife
says
that the pages appear next to each other in the document, rather than
from
the top to the bottom of the entire document in consecutive order.
How can I get Jaws to
read the document without having to go through the manual page
change?

I'm using Windows 7, Microsoft Word in Office 2007, and Jaws
13.

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


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Re: Fw: An MS Word 2007 Question

Ann Byrne
 

Below is a post from Brian Lee that corrected this problem for me:

You might want to check under the view tab and make sure zoom is set at 100
percent. Use Alt followed by W to move on to the View tab and then use tab
key across the bottom part of the ribbon. Tab one time past the Zoom button
and you should find a button labeled 100%. Press spacebar on that button.
Go back under the view tab and use tab key to the button labeled "one page"
and press spacebar. Check the document after doing those things to see if
it still jumps pages.

At 06:46 PM 9/3/2012, you wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I sent the following quiry to the list yesterday, but got no response.

I was on travel, and the ISP that was available to me was acting flaky, so perhaps the post didn't get through.

Any help with the question below would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Behler" <TomBehler@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 4:29 PM
Subject: An MS Word 2007 Question


Hello, folks.

I am on travel, and am using my University laptop while working with some
documents related to my new job as a University Department Head.

I have a question that I'm hoping someone can help me with:
Currently, when I read through a document, I must manually change
pages when I come to the next page. And, when I do, it puts me at the
bottom of the next page, rather than at the top. My sighted wife says that the pages appear next to each other in the document, rather than from the top to the bottom of the entire document in consecutive order.
How can I get Jaws to
read the document without having to go through the manual page change?

I'm using Windows 7, Microsoft Word in Office 2007, and Jaws
13.

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

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software accessibility with Jaws

Paul Price
 

Hi all,

I'm writing to find out if anyone has had any experience using jaws with the
following software:

The first piece of software is a crm software called Solve 360 - which is
put out by Norada.com.

The second piece of software is a predictive dialler is - Vicidial which
works in conjunction with the voidt interface Bria.

I have an opportunity for a job, and would like to know if these pieces of
software are accessible.

Thanks in advance for any info anyone can provide.


Paul price
email and msn messenger: pprice72@optusnet.com.au
skype: pprice72

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Re: Glad to Hear

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Sometimes it seems like, with JAWS, it is one step forward and two steps back.
Case in point.
Reading a track change document with JAWS 13, there is no indication of what was inserted or what was deleted. A critical issue.
Read the same exact document with JAWS 12 (with the same track change settings in effect in both Word and JAWS) and everything is announced perfectly.
I confirmed just today with Freedom Scientific that JAWS 13 broke track change recognition. It is partly fixed in the most recent build and is supposed to be completely fixed with the next build.
Don't physicians have to take an oath, the Hippocratic Oath, that, at least, they will do no harm?
I wish programmers took such an oath and were prohibited from releasing any product with any new feature until it was verified that no damage was done.
Continuing the analogy, when a physician cuts off the wrong leg he gets sued. So, ...

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:40 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Glad to Hear

New set of bugs? Lol, good one. That reminded me of a fellow colleague of
mine here at the district, an assistive technology specialist for a large
part of the state, recently switched over to the mac and told me to switch
over to the mac because with jaws, all people are doing is paying for bug
fixes.

Now that is nothing to do with anything, I just thought of his comment when
Mr. Dave Carlson said something about bug fixes.

Kimsan Song
Online Access Technology Trainer
Phone:
509-396-1646
Email:
Kimsan@blindaccesstraining.com
Skype:
Blindaccesstrainer
Twitter:
@BlindAccess
Facebook:
www.facebook.com/blindaccesstraining
Website:
www.BlindAccessTraining.com


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Glad to Hear

I'm glad to hear that no one has any more problems with JAWS, and that we
are all looking forward to the new set of bugs soon to be released with
version 14. Just can't wait.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
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Re: Glad to Hear

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

New set of bugs? Lol, good one. That reminded me of a fellow colleague of
mine here at the district, an assistive technology specialist for a large
part of the state, recently switched over to the mac and told me to switch
over to the mac because with jaws, all people are doing is paying for bug
fixes.

Now that is nothing to do with anything, I just thought of his comment when
Mr. Dave Carlson said something about bug fixes.

Kimsan Song
Online Access Technology Trainer
Phone:
509-396-1646
Email:
Kimsan@blindaccesstraining.com
Skype:
Blindaccesstrainer
Twitter:
@BlindAccess
Facebook:
www.facebook.com/blindaccesstraining
Website:
www.BlindAccessTraining.com

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Glad to Hear

I'm glad to hear that no one has any more problems with JAWS, and that we
are all looking forward to the new set of bugs soon to be released with
version 14. Just can't wait.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

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