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Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

James A. Prather, Jr.
 

This is the issue I'm having with RealPlayer+, apparently; can't find those drivers.

Jim in Detroit

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: July 30, 2011 19:45
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Hi,
To clarify:
* Richard is correct: it's more than software that needs to be
considered. Moving from 32-bit to 64-bit is a fundamental
change, as it requires basically a new machine (well, sort of).
First, you must install a processor that supports 64-bit data
(Intel Core II Duo, Core I5, etc. or equivalent AMD ones).
Next, you need to find drivers for devices that'll run on 64-bit
machines.
* Some 32-bit programs will work well under 64-bit OS, since X64
processors support 32-bit code directly on hardware. The
programs that's bound to cause problems would be the ones that
rely on some underlying drivers. 16-bit programs will not run
under 64-bit systems.

For Crystal: If you could give us the following info, that'll be
appreciated in allowing us to choose the best configuration for
you:
* Processor brand and model.
* RAM (memory) amount.
Cheers,
Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Holloway <rholloway@gopbc.org
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Date sent: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 17:47:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Your tech fellow would need to basically replace the entire logic
board in your computer. This is how data is addressed by your
processor. The ram is different. Everything internally has to
handle double the data flow. I think you would need new drives
too and certainly it would be advisable in any case.

32 to 64 bit is basically buying a new machine. You might be
able to reuse a case or power supply, but this is generally more
expensive than buying a new machine.

Ask your tech to explain what would be involved in more detail.
There is some missing info involved here.

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 30, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Adrian Spratt
<Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com> wrote:

Hi, Crystal.

I also haven't upgraded to Windows 7, but I've been gathering
ideas for
when the time comes. Judging by what I've read and heard, we
may not
experience a big difference at this time with 64-bit, but
clearly it's the
way of the future, alongside Windows 7. Several listers voiced
concern that
some older applications that haven't been updated for years
won't function
on a 64-bit machine. I think of those useful little programs at
Debbie
Scales' website. In my case, my prize computer component is a
Dectalk Plus.
Some listers indicate that it should work on a 64-bit machine,
but no one
using a 64-bit machine with the Dectalk has posted confirmation.

My tech consultant says that a 32-bit machine can be upgraded to
64-bit. He
has never misinformed me, so I take this statement to be true,
but I don't
recall anyone posting about doing such an upgrade on the list.

Based on these considerations, when the time for me to go
Windows 7 arrives,
I plan to install the 32-bit version with a view to upgrading to
64-bit when
needed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Hi,
I have Jaws 12, but have reverted to Jaws 11 as 12 was crashing
too often.

I'm afraid I need to think seriously about a new computer.

I'm still with XP Home.

Can someone tell me what would be the major difference between
Windows 7 32
bit or 64 bit?

Thanks.
Crystal



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Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Dennis Brown
 

Thanks for that info. You just answered a question I just sent to the list.

Thanks,
Dennis Brown

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve" <k8sp@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit


Adrian,

There's a lot to consider, I don't think it is as simple as your tech leads you to believe.

You can run a 32-bit version of Windows 7 on a 64-bit capable CPU. But, if you then decide to upgrade to a 64-bit version of windows, you'll need to backup your files and do a custom installation. Because of the added benefits of being able to utilize more memory, unless you have a specific reason where you need to stay with a 32-bit version, it just doesn't make much sense. Most existing applications will work with Win 7 64-bit edition. If an older app won't work, I'd be very amazed if it would work with any version of Windows 7 at all. I think the only alternative for getting an app that won't work in Win 7 at all to work would be to get Windows 7 Pro or Ultimate and run it in Xp Mode. You may need to run a different screen-reader like NVDA in XP mode, I seem to recall that there were some difficulties running Jaws in XP mode in Win 7 professional. Now, you may have some older hardware that may have Win 7 32-bit drivers but not 64-bit drivers, in that case, you may want to stick with Win 7 32-bit edition.

Here is an FAQ from Microsoft which covers the differences between 32 and 64 bit editions
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/32-bit-and-64-bit-Windows-frequently-asked-questions

To address your tech's claim about being able to upgrade a 32-bit machine to 64-bit, this is correct if and only if you have a 64-bit capable CPU. You can see if you do under the system performance tab in Vista or Win 7, or if you use XP, just right-click the my computer icon and look under properties. It will say 64-bit capable if it is.

Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.

Steve
Lansing, MI


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit


Hi, Crystal.

I also haven't upgraded to Windows 7, but I've been gathering ideas for
when the time comes. Judging by what I've read and heard, we may not
experience a big difference at this time with 64-bit, but clearly it's the
way of the future, alongside Windows 7. Several listers voiced concern that
some older applications that haven't been updated for years won't function
on a 64-bit machine. I think of those useful little programs at Debbie
Scales' website. In my case, my prize computer component is a Dectalk Plus.
Some listers indicate that it should work on a 64-bit machine, but no one
using a 64-bit machine with the Dectalk has posted confirmation.

My tech consultant says that a 32-bit machine can be upgraded to 64-bit. He
has never misinformed me, so I take this statement to be true, but I don't
recall anyone posting about doing such an upgrade on the list.

Based on these considerations, when the time for me to go Windows 7 arrives,
I plan to install the 32-bit version with a view to upgrading to 64-bit when
needed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Hi,
I have Jaws 12, but have reverted to Jaws 11 as 12 was crashing too often.

I'm afraid I need to think seriously about a new computer.

I'm still with XP Home.

Can someone tell me what would be the major difference between Windows 7 32
bit or 64 bit?

Thanks.
Crystal



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Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Dennis Brown
 

Is it the 32 bit software that won't run on a 64 bit machine, or is it just the items that require drivers--those 32 bit software packages that interface with a device that would require a 32 bit driver?
If it doesn't interface with a driver, would a 32 bit software package work on a 64 bit machine?


Thanks,
Dennis Brown

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit


Hi, Crystal.

I also haven't upgraded to Windows 7, but I've been gathering ideas for
when the time comes. Judging by what I've read and heard, we may not
experience a big difference at this time with 64-bit, but clearly it's the
way of the future, alongside Windows 7. Several listers voiced concern that
some older applications that haven't been updated for years won't function
on a 64-bit machine. I think of those useful little programs at Debbie
Scales' website. In my case, my prize computer component is a Dectalk Plus.
Some listers indicate that it should work on a 64-bit machine, but no one
using a 64-bit machine with the Dectalk has posted confirmation.

My tech consultant says that a 32-bit machine can be upgraded to 64-bit. He
has never misinformed me, so I take this statement to be true, but I don't
recall anyone posting about doing such an upgrade on the list.

Based on these considerations, when the time for me to go Windows 7 arrives,
I plan to install the 32-bit version with a view to upgrading to 64-bit when
needed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Hi,
I have Jaws 12, but have reverted to Jaws 11 as 12 was crashing too often.

I'm afraid I need to think seriously about a new computer.

I'm still with XP Home.

Can someone tell me what would be the major difference between Windows 7 32
bit or 64 bit?

Thanks.
Crystal



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Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Adrian Spratt
 

Steve,

Thanks for this explanation. I'm in the fortunate position that my
consultant would do the aggravating work you describe, though I'll pay
accordingly, and of course, I'd buy a 64-bit-enabled machine. That's a
critical point I should have made in my original post.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 6:17 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Adrian,

There's a lot to consider, I don't think it is as simple as your tech leads
you to believe.

You can run a 32-bit version of Windows 7 on a 64-bit capable CPU. But, if
you then decide to upgrade to a 64-bit version of windows, you'll need to
backup your files and do a custom installation. Because of the added
benefits of being able to utilize more memory, unless you have a specific
reason where you need to stay with a 32-bit version, it just doesn't make
much sense. Most existing applications will work with Win 7 64-bit edition.
If an older app won't work, I'd be very amazed if it would work with any
version of Windows 7 at all. I think the only alternative for getting an app
that won't work in Win 7 at all to work would be to get Windows 7 Pro or
Ultimate and run it in Xp Mode. You may need to run a different
screen-reader like NVDA in XP mode, I seem to recall that there were some
difficulties running Jaws in XP mode in Win 7 professional. Now, you may
have some older hardware that may have Win 7 32-bit drivers but not 64-bit
drivers, in that case, you may want to stick with Win 7 32-bit edition.

Here is an FAQ from Microsoft which covers the differences between 32 and 64
bit editions
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/32-bit-and-64-bit-Windows-freque
ntly-asked-questions

To address your tech's claim about being able to upgrade a 32-bit machine to
64-bit, this is correct if and only if you have a 64-bit capable CPU. You
can see if you do under the system performance tab in Vista or Win 7, or if
you use XP, just right-click the my computer icon and look under properties.
It will say 64-bit capable if it is.

Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.

Steve Lansing, MI

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Hi, Crystal.

I also haven't upgraded to Windows 7, but I've been gathering ideas for when
the time comes. Judging by what I've read and heard, we may not experience a
big difference at this time with 64-bit, but clearly it's the way of the
future, alongside Windows 7. Several listers voiced concern that some older
applications that haven't been updated for years won't function on a 64-bit
machine. I think of those useful little programs at Debbie Scales' website.
In my case, my prize computer component is a Dectalk Plus. Some listers
indicate that it should work on a 64-bit machine, but no one using a 64-bit
machine with the Dectalk has posted confirmation.

My tech consultant says that a 32-bit machine can be upgraded to 64-bit. He
has never misinformed me, so I take this statement to be true, but I don't
recall anyone posting about doing such an upgrade on the list.

Based on these considerations, when the time for me to go Windows 7 arrives,
I plan to install the 32-bit version with a view to upgrading to 64-bit when
needed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Hi, I have Jaws 12, but have reverted to Jaws 11 as 12 was crashing too
often.

I'm afraid I need to think seriously about a new computer.

I'm still with XP Home.

Can someone tell me what would be the major difference between Windows 7
32
bit or 64 bit?

Thanks. Crystal

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Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

 

Hi,
To clarify:
* Richard is correct: it's more than software that needs to be considered. Moving from 32-bit to 64-bit is a fundamental change, as it requires basically a new machine (well, sort of). First, you must install a processor that supports 64-bit data (Intel Core II Duo, Core I5, etc. or equivalent AMD ones). Next, you need to find drivers for devices that'll run on 64-bit machines.
* Some 32-bit programs will work well under 64-bit OS, since X64 processors support 32-bit code directly on hardware. The programs that's bound to cause problems would be the ones that rely on some underlying drivers. 16-bit programs will not run under 64-bit systems.

For Crystal: If you could give us the following info, that'll be appreciated in allowing us to choose the best configuration for you:
* Processor brand and model.
* RAM (memory) amount.
Cheers,
Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Holloway <rholloway@gopbc.org
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Date sent: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 17:47:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Your tech fellow would need to basically replace the entire logic board in your computer. This is how data is addressed by your processor. The ram is different. Everything internally has to handle double the data flow. I think you would need new drives too and certainly it would be advisable in any case.

32 to 64 bit is basically buying a new machine. You might be able to reuse a case or power supply, but this is generally more expensive than buying a new machine.

Ask your tech to explain what would be involved in more detail. There is some missing info involved here.

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 30, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com> wrote:

Hi, Crystal.

I also haven't upgraded to Windows 7, but I've been gathering ideas for
when the time comes. Judging by what I've read and heard, we may not
experience a big difference at this time with 64-bit, but clearly it's the
way of the future, alongside Windows 7. Several listers voiced concern that
some older applications that haven't been updated for years won't function
on a 64-bit machine. I think of those useful little programs at Debbie
Scales' website. In my case, my prize computer component is a Dectalk Plus.
Some listers indicate that it should work on a 64-bit machine, but no one
using a 64-bit machine with the Dectalk has posted confirmation.

My tech consultant says that a 32-bit machine can be upgraded to 64-bit. He
has never misinformed me, so I take this statement to be true, but I don't
recall anyone posting about doing such an upgrade on the list.

Based on these considerations, when the time for me to go Windows 7 arrives,
I plan to install the 32-bit version with a view to upgrading to 64-bit when
needed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Hi,
I have Jaws 12, but have reverted to Jaws 11 as 12 was crashing too often.

I'm afraid I need to think seriously about a new computer.

I'm still with XP Home.

Can someone tell me what would be the major difference between Windows 7 32
bit or 64 bit?

Thanks.
Crystal



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Re: IE9 and typing web addresses

Don Wardlow <wardlows97@...>
 

When you first got IE9, there should have been a box saying "Disable suggested sites," or something like that.
Once you're using IE9, not sure at all how you would access that, since I had to get rid of IE9. it kept crashing on me, and nobody had a clue why.

I'd suggest uninstalling, putting it back in, and going very slowly through the opening prompts before you go to any web site, to try and find something about enabling or disabling suggested sites. I wish I could be more exact about the wording, but I can't.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian and Denise Albriton
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 7:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: IE9 and typing web addresses

IE9 seems to remember other things I've typed even though I have auto
complete stuff turned off, or do I/ How do I keep it from second guessing
me?
It seems to be filling in stuff that's in my favorites.



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IE9 and typing web addresses

Brian and Denise Albriton <autoharp@...>
 

IE9 seems to remember other things I've typed even though I have auto complete stuff turned off, or do I/ How do I keep it from second guessing me?
It seems to be filling in stuff that's in my favorites.


Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Steve <k8sp@...>
 

Call Enabling Technologies, they have a tollfree number and they're very helpful. Without looking it up, I'd be surprised if they don't have a driver for Win 7 64-bit systems.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Crystal French" <raincrow@clearwire.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit


Thanks, Steve, for the link to the FAQ's. I'm going to go read this.

i was afraid this would be complicated.

From what you guys are saying it looks like my equipment such as my Juliet Pro embosser will have to be considered.

<sigh>

Crystal

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve" <k8sp@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit


Adrian,

There's a lot to consider, I don't think it is as simple as your tech leads you to believe.

You can run a 32-bit version of Windows 7 on a 64-bit capable CPU. But, if you then decide to upgrade to a 64-bit version of windows, you'll need to backup your files and do a custom installation. Because of the added benefits of being able to utilize more memory, unless you have a specific reason where you need to stay with a 32-bit version, it just doesn't make much sense. Most existing applications will work with Win 7 64-bit edition. If an older app won't work, I'd be very amazed if it would work with any version of Windows 7 at all. I think the only alternative for getting an app that won't work in Win 7 at all to work would be to get Windows 7 Pro or Ultimate and run it in Xp Mode. You may need to run a different screen-reader like NVDA in XP mode, I seem to recall that there were some difficulties running Jaws in XP mode in Win 7 professional. Now, you may have some older hardware that may have Win 7 32-bit drivers but not 64-bit drivers, in that case, you may want to stick with Win 7 32-bit edition.

Here is an FAQ from Microsoft which covers the differences between 32 and 64 bit editions
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/32-bit-and-64-bit-Windows-frequently-asked-questions

To address your tech's claim about being able to upgrade a 32-bit machine to 64-bit, this is correct if and only if you have a 64-bit capable CPU. You can see if you do under the system performance tab in Vista or Win 7, or if you use XP, just right-click the my computer icon and look under properties. It will say 64-bit capable if it is.

Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.

Steve
Lansing, MI


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit


Hi, Crystal.

I also haven't upgraded to Windows 7, but I've been gathering ideas for
when the time comes. Judging by what I've read and heard, we may not
experience a big difference at this time with 64-bit, but clearly it's the
way of the future, alongside Windows 7. Several listers voiced concern that
some older applications that haven't been updated for years won't function
on a 64-bit machine. I think of those useful little programs at Debbie
Scales' website. In my case, my prize computer component is a Dectalk Plus.
Some listers indicate that it should work on a 64-bit machine, but no one
using a 64-bit machine with the Dectalk has posted confirmation.

My tech consultant says that a 32-bit machine can be upgraded to 64-bit. He
has never misinformed me, so I take this statement to be true, but I don't
recall anyone posting about doing such an upgrade on the list.

Based on these considerations, when the time for me to go Windows 7 arrives,
I plan to install the 32-bit version with a view to upgrading to 64-bit when
needed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Hi,
I have Jaws 12, but have reverted to Jaws 11 as 12 was crashing too often.

I'm afraid I need to think seriously about a new computer.

I'm still with XP Home.

Can someone tell me what would be the major difference between Windows 7 32
bit or 64 bit?

Thanks.
Crystal



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Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Crystal French
 

Thanks, Steve, for the link to the FAQ's. I'm going to go read this.

i was afraid this would be complicated.

From what you guys are saying it looks like my equipment such as my Juliet
Pro embosser will have to be considered.

<sigh>

Crystal

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve" <k8sp@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit


Adrian,

There's a lot to consider, I don't think it is as simple as your tech leads you to believe.

You can run a 32-bit version of Windows 7 on a 64-bit capable CPU. But, if you then decide to upgrade to a 64-bit version of windows, you'll need to backup your files and do a custom installation. Because of the added benefits of being able to utilize more memory, unless you have a specific reason where you need to stay with a 32-bit version, it just doesn't make much sense. Most existing applications will work with Win 7 64-bit edition. If an older app won't work, I'd be very amazed if it would work with any version of Windows 7 at all. I think the only alternative for getting an app that won't work in Win 7 at all to work would be to get Windows 7 Pro or Ultimate and run it in Xp Mode. You may need to run a different screen-reader like NVDA in XP mode, I seem to recall that there were some difficulties running Jaws in XP mode in Win 7 professional. Now, you may have some older hardware that may have Win 7 32-bit drivers but not 64-bit drivers, in that case, you may want to stick with Win 7 32-bit edition.

Here is an FAQ from Microsoft which covers the differences between 32 and 64 bit editions
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/32-bit-and-64-bit-Windows-frequently-asked-questions

To address your tech's claim about being able to upgrade a 32-bit machine to 64-bit, this is correct if and only if you have a 64-bit capable CPU. You can see if you do under the system performance tab in Vista or Win 7, or if you use XP, just right-click the my computer icon and look under properties. It will say 64-bit capable if it is.

Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.

Steve
Lansing, MI


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit


Hi, Crystal.

I also haven't upgraded to Windows 7, but I've been gathering ideas for
when the time comes. Judging by what I've read and heard, we may not
experience a big difference at this time with 64-bit, but clearly it's the
way of the future, alongside Windows 7. Several listers voiced concern that
some older applications that haven't been updated for years won't function
on a 64-bit machine. I think of those useful little programs at Debbie
Scales' website. In my case, my prize computer component is a Dectalk Plus.
Some listers indicate that it should work on a 64-bit machine, but no one
using a 64-bit machine with the Dectalk has posted confirmation.

My tech consultant says that a 32-bit machine can be upgraded to 64-bit. He
has never misinformed me, so I take this statement to be true, but I don't
recall anyone posting about doing such an upgrade on the list.

Based on these considerations, when the time for me to go Windows 7 arrives,
I plan to install the 32-bit version with a view to upgrading to 64-bit when
needed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Hi,
I have Jaws 12, but have reverted to Jaws 11 as 12 was crashing too often.

I'm afraid I need to think seriously about a new computer.

I'm still with XP Home.

Can someone tell me what would be the major difference between Windows 7 32
bit or 64 bit?

Thanks.
Crystal



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Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Dorothy <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
 

That is interesting when my xp desktop died I bought windows 7,,I asked a
friend for advice, he said"get64 bit and4 of ram,next version of windows
may only run 64 bit,however if they are interchangeable then it would seem
not to matter, I have an old xp laptop but it will not runIE9, and I think
ssoon ms will not be interested in xp machines ,both run latest version of
jaws,but on laptop Jaws 12 takes a long time to speak even though the music
has come on,I was told "you may hear windows sound but in the background
antivirus and programmes all have to load up before Jaws can talk, well I
wonder if Ms will make any clear statements as windows 8 is expected next
year thanks dorothy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: 30 July 2011 22:32
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

32 vs. 64 bit has to do with the way the computer physically addresses the
data; literally 32 or 64 pieces of information at a time (specifically that
many ones or zeros at a time-- that's what a "bit" is, a one or a zero in
binary computing. Multiple bits comprise a byte. Enough bytes make a "k",
then megs, gigs, etc.)

You must run the correct bit OS on the appropriate processor. Applications
vary. You can run some 32 bit applications on some 64 bit machines which I
assume requires some sort of emulation mode by the OS which may be
transparent to the user. 64 bit applications won't work for 32 bit.

JAWS 9 was 32 bit only. At the time that was out, Freedom told me they had
no intention of supporting 64 bit machines in the future. Once most new
machines started going 32 bit, they changed their tune a bit. (Pun
intended.)

I assume current JAWS has a dual installer that works on both? I know both
are currently supported one way or another.

Sent from my iPad
On Jul 30, 2011, at 5:00 PM, "Crystal French" <raincrow@clearwire.net>
wrote:32

Hi,
I have Jaws 12, but have reverted to Jaws 11 as 12 was crashing too often.

I'm afraid I need to think seriously about a new computer.

I'm still with XP Home.

Can someone tell me what would be the major difference between Windows 7
32 bit or 64 bit?

Thanks.
Crystal



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Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Steve <k8sp@...>
 

Adrian,

There's a lot to consider, I don't think it is as simple as your tech leads you to believe.

You can run a 32-bit version of Windows 7 on a 64-bit capable CPU. But, if you then decide to upgrade to a 64-bit version of windows, you'll need to backup your files and do a custom installation. Because of the added benefits of being able to utilize more memory, unless you have a specific reason where you need to stay with a 32-bit version, it just doesn't make much sense. Most existing applications will work with Win 7 64-bit edition. If an older app won't work, I'd be very amazed if it would work with any version of Windows 7 at all. I think the only alternative for getting an app that won't work in Win 7 at all to work would be to get Windows 7 Pro or Ultimate and run it in Xp Mode. You may need to run a different screen-reader like NVDA in XP mode, I seem to recall that there were some difficulties running Jaws in XP mode in Win 7 professional. Now, you may have some older hardware that may have Win 7 32-bit drivers but not 64-bit drivers, in that case, you may want to stick with Win 7 32-bit edition.

Here is an FAQ from Microsoft which covers the differences between 32 and 64 bit editions
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/32-bit-and-64-bit-Windows-frequently-asked-questions

To address your tech's claim about being able to upgrade a 32-bit machine to 64-bit, this is correct if and only if you have a 64-bit capable CPU. You can see if you do under the system performance tab in Vista or Win 7, or if you use XP, just right-click the my computer icon and look under properties. It will say 64-bit capable if it is.

Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.

Steve
Lansing, MI

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit


Hi, Crystal.

I also haven't upgraded to Windows 7, but I've been gathering ideas for
when the time comes. Judging by what I've read and heard, we may not
experience a big difference at this time with 64-bit, but clearly it's the
way of the future, alongside Windows 7. Several listers voiced concern that
some older applications that haven't been updated for years won't function
on a 64-bit machine. I think of those useful little programs at Debbie
Scales' website. In my case, my prize computer component is a Dectalk Plus.
Some listers indicate that it should work on a 64-bit machine, but no one
using a 64-bit machine with the Dectalk has posted confirmation.

My tech consultant says that a 32-bit machine can be upgraded to 64-bit. He
has never misinformed me, so I take this statement to be true, but I don't
recall anyone posting about doing such an upgrade on the list.

Based on these considerations, when the time for me to go Windows 7 arrives,
I plan to install the 32-bit version with a view to upgrading to 64-bit when
needed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Hi,
I have Jaws 12, but have reverted to Jaws 11 as 12 was crashing too often.

I'm afraid I need to think seriously about a new computer.

I'm still with XP Home.

Can someone tell me what would be the major difference between Windows 7 32
bit or 64 bit?

Thanks.
Crystal



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Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Steve <k8sp@...>
 

Richard,

I don't know of any 32-bit programs that won't run on a 64-bit system, although I suppose there may be some. But, that is what the Programs\x86 folder is for, that's where the 32-bit programs that run in Win 7 or Vista 64-bit editions live.

Jaws is available in either 32 or 64-bit editions. If you have the Jaws installation DVD, it will recognize which version you need for your system; if not, just go to the FS site and download the correct version.
Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.

Steve
Lansing, MI

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit


32 vs. 64 bit has to do with the way the computer physically addresses the data; literally 32 or 64 pieces of information at a time (specifically that many ones or zeros at a time-- that's what a "bit" is, a one or a zero in binary computing. Multiple bits comprise a byte. Enough bytes make a "k", then megs, gigs, etc.)

You must run the correct bit OS on the appropriate processor. Applications vary. You can run some 32 bit applications on some 64 bit machines which I assume requires some sort of emulation mode by the OS which may be transparent to the user. 64 bit applications won't work for 32 bit.

JAWS 9 was 32 bit only. At the time that was out, Freedom told me they had no intention of supporting 64 bit machines in the future. Once most new machines started going 32 bit, they changed their tune a bit. (Pun intended.)

I assume current JAWS has a dual installer that works on both? I know both are currently supported one way or another.

Sent from my iPad
On Jul 30, 2011, at 5:00 PM, "Crystal French" <raincrow@clearwire.net> wrote:32

Hi,
I have Jaws 12, but have reverted to Jaws 11 as 12 was crashing too often.

I'm afraid I need to think seriously about a new computer.

I'm still with XP Home.

Can someone tell me what would be the major difference between Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit?

Thanks.
Crystal



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Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Richard Holloway
 

Your tech fellow would need to basically replace the entire logic board in your computer. This is how data is addressed by your processor. The ram is different. Everything internally has to handle double the data flow. I think you would need new drives too and certainly it would be advisable in any case.

32 to 64 bit is basically buying a new machine. You might be able to reuse a case or power supply, but this is generally more expensive than buying a new machine.

Ask your tech to explain what would be involved in more detail. There is some missing info involved here.

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 30, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com> wrote:

Hi, Crystal.

I also haven't upgraded to Windows 7, but I've been gathering ideas for
when the time comes. Judging by what I've read and heard, we may not
experience a big difference at this time with 64-bit, but clearly it's the
way of the future, alongside Windows 7. Several listers voiced concern that
some older applications that haven't been updated for years won't function
on a 64-bit machine. I think of those useful little programs at Debbie
Scales' website. In my case, my prize computer component is a Dectalk Plus.
Some listers indicate that it should work on a 64-bit machine, but no one
using a 64-bit machine with the Dectalk has posted confirmation.

My tech consultant says that a 32-bit machine can be upgraded to 64-bit. He
has never misinformed me, so I take this statement to be true, but I don't
recall anyone posting about doing such an upgrade on the list.

Based on these considerations, when the time for me to go Windows 7 arrives,
I plan to install the 32-bit version with a view to upgrading to 64-bit when
needed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Hi,
I have Jaws 12, but have reverted to Jaws 11 as 12 was crashing too often.

I'm afraid I need to think seriously about a new computer.

I'm still with XP Home.

Can someone tell me what would be the major difference between Windows 7 32
bit or 64 bit?

Thanks.
Crystal



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Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Steve <k8sp@...>
 

The major differences are:

1. If you can find Win 32-bit, they are harder to find.

2. Win 7 32-bit only supports 4GB of Ram or less. Win 7 64-bit supports way more, most machines can support either 8 or 16GB, but the theoretical limit is way beyond that.

3. Some of your hardware like printers and scanners may not work on Windows 7. You need to check by going to the printer/scanner manufacturer site, look under support or downloads and search for Win 7 64-bit drivers for your specific model.
Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.

Steve
Lansing, MI

----- Original Message -----
From: "Crystal French" <raincrow@clearwire.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:00 PM
Subject: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit


Hi,
I have Jaws 12, but have reverted to Jaws 11 as 12 was crashing too often.

I'm afraid I need to think seriously about a new computer.

I'm still with XP Home.

Can someone tell me what would be the major difference between Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit?

Thanks.
Crystal



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Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Adrian Spratt
 

Hi, Crystal.

I also haven't upgraded to Windows 7, but I've been gathering ideas for
when the time comes. Judging by what I've read and heard, we may not
experience a big difference at this time with 64-bit, but clearly it's the
way of the future, alongside Windows 7. Several listers voiced concern that
some older applications that haven't been updated for years won't function
on a 64-bit machine. I think of those useful little programs at Debbie
Scales' website. In my case, my prize computer component is a Dectalk Plus.
Some listers indicate that it should work on a 64-bit machine, but no one
using a 64-bit machine with the Dectalk has posted confirmation.

My tech consultant says that a 32-bit machine can be upgraded to 64-bit. He
has never misinformed me, so I take this statement to be true, but I don't
recall anyone posting about doing such an upgrade on the list.

Based on these considerations, when the time for me to go Windows 7 arrives,
I plan to install the 32-bit version with a view to upgrading to 64-bit when
needed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:00 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Hi,
I have Jaws 12, but have reverted to Jaws 11 as 12 was crashing too often.

I'm afraid I need to think seriously about a new computer.

I'm still with XP Home.

Can someone tell me what would be the major difference between Windows 7 32
bit or 64 bit?

Thanks.
Crystal



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Re: Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Richard Holloway
 

32 vs. 64 bit has to do with the way the computer physically addresses the data; literally 32 or 64 pieces of information at a time (specifically that many ones or zeros at a time-- that's what a "bit" is, a one or a zero in binary computing. Multiple bits comprise a byte. Enough bytes make a "k", then megs, gigs, etc.)

You must run the correct bit OS on the appropriate processor. Applications vary. You can run some 32 bit applications on some 64 bit machines which I assume requires some sort of emulation mode by the OS which may be transparent to the user. 64 bit applications won't work for 32 bit.

JAWS 9 was 32 bit only. At the time that was out, Freedom told me they had no intention of supporting 64 bit machines in the future. Once most new machines started going 32 bit, they changed their tune a bit. (Pun intended.)

I assume current JAWS has a dual installer that works on both? I know both are currently supported one way or another.

Sent from my iPad
On Jul 30, 2011, at 5:00 PM, "Crystal French" <raincrow@clearwire.net> wrote:32

Hi,
I have Jaws 12, but have reverted to Jaws 11 as 12 was crashing too often.

I'm afraid I need to think seriously about a new computer.

I'm still with XP Home.

Can someone tell me what would be the major difference between Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit?

Thanks.
Crystal



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Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit

Crystal French
 

Hi,
I have Jaws 12, but have reverted to Jaws 11 as 12 was crashing too often.

I'm afraid I need to think seriously about a new computer.

I'm still with XP Home.

Can someone tell me what would be the major difference between Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit?

Thanks.
Crystal


Re: Entries In Excel--Oops! Trying again

Ann Byrne
 

The operator is 'sumif', which means add the number only if an indicator is set.

To do this, you need a way to tell Excel to add the number *only if Wal-Mart is the store.

1. Set an indicator for Wal-mart. Possibly something like add numbers if column g = w. the formula looks like this:

a1+SUMIF(c1,"w",b1)

=a1 (the Wal-mart total)
b1 the column containing the amount paid for this transaction
c1=the indicator. If not 'w', the sum will not happen.
Place the formula in a2, a3, and so on.
You can do that by pressing f5 for goto, and selecting something like a3_a20, then pasting a2 into a3.


Re: Entries In Excel

Ann Byrne
 

The operator is 'sumif', which means add the number only if an indicator is set.

To do this, you need a way to tell Excel to add the number *only if Wal-Mart is the store.

1. Set an indicator for Wal-mart. Possibly something like add numbers if column g = w. the formula looks like this:

a1+SUMIF(c1,"w",b1)

=a1 (the Wal-mart total)
b1 the column containing the amount paid for this transaction
c1=the indicator. If not 'w', the sum will not happen.
The answer will appear in the column where the formula is.

Good luck!

Add column B to column a only if column C = w


Re: Windows 7 Upgrade

Richard Sherman <squirman@...>
 

HI,

Backup everything. Then once it is all said and done, then you can go thru
and delete that which you don't need. But if space is not of concern, leave
it for a while just in case.

Better to have it and not need it. Then to need it and not have it.

If you are going to reinstall the same version of jaws, then putting the
files back sometimes isn't a problem. but if you can you should try to
recreate these settings just to avoid possible complications.

If you want to know which files, like .jss, .jcf, or any others that you can
transfer without any problems, that I don't know. Never done it before.

Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 1:08 PM


Well, it is finally here. My very reliable and stable Windows XP laptop has
been slated for an "upgrade" to Windows 7.
Many of the applications will be put back on the laptop, and I suspect the
older structure won't be radically different for them.
I would like to keep certain settings in Jaws that I have built up over the
past year -- since I've had this laptop.
I can copy files to a folder on my network drive.
Any tips on which files to be certain to copy and which ones to be certain
to leave behind?

I. Edward Marquette
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