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Re: openbook support mailing list

Dave...
 

Sounds like the moderator is no longer moderating. Perhaps send a message to
Freedom Scientific to point this out. It would not be good for them to get
negative press for supporting their product.



Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian D. Nichols" <inich@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 19:57
Subject: Re: openbook support mailing list


Hi,

Today I received my third denial in the last 2 years or so when I tried to
join the openbook users support list. In all cases I responded to the
e-mail that came back asking for confirmation of the request.

In all 3 cases about 2 weeks later I received the following message from
yahoogroups.

"Your request to join the openbook-users group was not approved.
Your membership was automatically rejected because the moderator didn't
approve it within 14 days. We do this to provide a high quality
of service for our users."

Does anyone know anything about this List? It seems to me that the List
must
have been virtually inactive for some while and/or the owner has not been
monitoring it for some reason.

Would there be any interest in trying to revive it?

All the best,

Ian
Ian D. Nichols,
Toronto, Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 7:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: open book


You can join the Open Book Users mailing list by sending a blank email
message to the following address and replying to the confirmation message:

openbook-users-subscribe@...


Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen@...>
To: "Jaws list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 12:09 AM
Subject: off topic- open book


Dear list,

This is an open book question. I'm not sure what other list to send this
to.
I need to know what settings I need to have so that open book will
recognize
dollar bills. I'm using version9 and it gives me an error every time.
thanks



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FB Security Checks

Philip Anderson <p.anderson@...>
 

Greetings

Forgive me if you have already discussed this topic, but does anyone know
how I might bypass the security checks on Facebook that keep popping up
everytime I post a message? These security checks are capture based and,
naturally, I cannot see the words, nor decipher the audio.

Presently I'm using JAWS 12, Windows 7 and IE 9.

Your help would be greatly appreciated and I look forward to hearing from
you.

Kind regards
Philip


Re: openbook support mailing list

Ian D. Nichols
 

Hi,

Today I received my third denial in the last 2 years or so when I tried to
join the openbook users support list. In all cases I responded to the
e-mail that came back asking for confirmation of the request.

In all 3 cases about 2 weeks later I received the following message from yahoogroups.

"Your request to join the openbook-users group was not approved.
Your membership was automatically rejected because the moderator didn't
approve it within 14 days. We do this to provide a high quality
of service for our users."

Does anyone know anything about this List? It seems to me that the List must
have been virtually inactive for some while and/or the owner has not been
monitoring it for some reason.

Would there be any interest in trying to revive it?

All the best,

Ian
Ian D. Nichols,
Toronto, Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 7:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: open book


You can join the Open Book Users mailing list by sending a blank email
message to the following address and replying to the confirmation message:

openbook-users-subscribe@...


Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen@...>
To: "Jaws list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 12:09 AM
Subject: off topic- open book


Dear list,

This is an open book question. I'm not sure what other list to send this
to.
I need to know what settings I need to have so that open book will
recognize
dollar bills. I'm using version9 and it gives me an error every time.
thanks



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Basecamp and Sitemason Accessibility

Brice Smith
 

Hello,

Is anyone here familiar with or has used the content management system
"Sitemason" or the project management system "Basecamp" with Jaws or
another screen reader? I am quickly working to test these systems for
job accessibility. While Basecamp seems fairly straightforward and
usable, I am running into a few challenges with the Writeboards and
Sitemason seems very inaccessible. My company and I are already in
contact with the developers of Sitemason but I would like to speak
with anyone else who builds or manages content with these systems and
screen readers.

Thanks,

Brice


Re: Firefox and Crashes

Dave...
 

Yep. Got it and still do not have an answer for you. You may need to look
for a solution elsewhere.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Cc: "Sharyn Sobel" <sharynsobel@...>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 15:32
Subject: Re: Firefox and Crashes


Did anybody get this yet? I'm still waiting for a reply. Thanks in
advance.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-901-7306
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: "Sharyn Sobel" <sharynsobel@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: Firefox and Crashes


Recently I started having problems changing the about:config file to make
Firefox more responsive on sites that use Flash content. Once I type in
the URL and select the "I'll be careful" button, my system sort of locks
where it is, and I can't tab to the filter editfield, or it takes a long
struggle to get there. There's a warning message saying changing these
settings could harm my computer or affect my privacy. I should be sure of
what I'm doing before continuing. As I'm tabbing through the fields I
hear "search bookmarks and history," "search using ask," "about:config
tab," etc., like the site is trying to load and not responding. Anyone
have an idea how to fix this whenever I need to change the configurations
in my browser? Thanks.
By the way, I've been having to change Firefox versions from time to time
to listen to certain audio streaming sites that don't work on a newer
version of FF, and have to check the config file to make sure it's set to
false.
Regarding trying to install the Adobe Flash Player I was having trouble
with, my brother did it remotely with a software program called LogMeIn;
he clicked on the appropriate button using a mouse and got the player
downloaded successfully for me. It looks like the plugin finder or Flash
installer is totally inaccessible for the blind user. Thanks one and all
for your feedback and suggestions for making things more accessible to
people using the keyboard and a screenreader. God bless.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-901-7306
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 5:57 AM
Subject: Firefox and Crashes


By the way, if you're finding that Firefox crashes on you on certain
sites containing flash, check out this bulletin.
http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_support/BulletinView.asp?QC=1410

Chris



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Re: Firefox and Crashes

douglas richard dexheimer
 

Did anybody get this yet? I'm still waiting for a reply. Thanks in advance.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-901-7306
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Cc: "Sharyn Sobel" <sharynsobel@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: Firefox and Crashes


Recently I started having problems changing the about:config file to make Firefox more responsive on sites that use Flash content. Once I type in the URL and select the "I'll be careful" button, my system sort of locks where it is, and I can't tab to the filter editfield, or it takes a long struggle to get there. There's a warning message saying changing these settings could harm my computer or affect my privacy. I should be sure of what I'm doing before continuing. As I'm tabbing through the fields I hear "search bookmarks and history," "search using ask," "about:config tab," etc., like the site is trying to load and not responding. Anyone have an idea how to fix this whenever I need to change the configurations in my browser? Thanks.
By the way, I've been having to change Firefox versions from time to time to listen to certain audio streaming sites that don't work on a newer version of FF, and have to check the config file to make sure it's set to false.
Regarding trying to install the Adobe Flash Player I was having trouble with, my brother did it remotely with a software program called LogMeIn; he clicked on the appropriate button using a mouse and got the player downloaded successfully for me. It looks like the plugin finder or Flash installer is totally inaccessible for the blind user. Thanks one and all for your feedback and suggestions for making things more accessible to people using the keyboard and a screenreader. God bless.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-901-7306
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 5:57 AM
Subject: Firefox and Crashes


By the way, if you're finding that Firefox crashes on you on certain sites containing flash, check out this bulletin.
http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_support/BulletinView.asp?QC=1410

Chris



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Re: Pernicious PDF

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

yep. trying to get sighted people to understand the difference between text on screen, and a picture of the same text on the same screen is fruitless.

At 12:59 PM 7/9/2012, you wrote:
Print and scan, or use Openbook's Freedom Import Printer. Or use Openbook 9
and open the PDF directly to perform the OCR.

In any case, trying to get the creators to create them differently is not
worth the hassle. Most sighted users are completely unaware of how the
document creation affects the final output format. In some cases it is
determined by creating it from a MS-Word document (usually readable by us),
or scanned in from a printed page (usually not readable directly by us).

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 08:42
Subject: Pernicious PDF


Wondering if someone has figured out the below riddle.
I've found there are at least 3 types of PDF documents:
1. Text-based documents that JAWS can sort of read -- if there isn't lots
of crazy formatting with non standard tables and such.
2. Pictures, which need to be converted via OCR into RTF or some other
format using a PDF converter or a free-standing OCR package like OpenBook or
OmniPage.
3. Deceptive PDF documents which contain some text and some graphics. A
sighted person cannot tell that the document is not either type 1 or type 2
(above). The graphics are in fact filled with text that a sighted person
can see. If one runs one of these documents through a converter, one comes
up with a Word or RTF document with headers in text and text boxes with what
looks like text. Apparently it is some form of a text box, and JAWS is
stumped, reading the header only and then just saying "Graphic."
The only solution that I have found is to print out, scan back in as a
picture, and then convert using an OCR package.
The above gives rise to several questions:
1. Is there a better way to get at the text than the procedure just
described?
2. Does anyone know what setting the original creator of the PDF document
is using to create such pernicious documents? (I would much rather just have
a picture of the text. Then, the PDF converter could OCR it.)
3. If these are converted to text boxes and the stuff inside the boxes is,
in fact, text, does anyone know how to get at this text using JAWS? If the
only answer is the convenient OCR in JAWS 13, don't bother. I'd rather
print and scan in again.
If I can get in touch with the person who created this particular PDF
document (I've seen this before), I'll try to figure out how it was created.
I'm a little pessimistic since this is a court-filed document with the
Federal District Court in Mississippi.
Thanks in advance.


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
1010 Grand Boulevard
Suite 500
Kansas City, MO 64106
ed.marquette@...




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Re: Pernicious PDF

Dave...
 

Print and scan, or use Openbook's Freedom Import Printer. Or use Openbook 9
and open the PDF directly to perform the OCR.

In any case, trying to get the creators to create them differently is not
worth the hassle. Most sighted users are completely unaware of how the
document creation affects the final output format. In some cases it is
determined by creating it from a MS-Word document (usually readable by us),
or scanned in from a printed page (usually not readable directly by us).

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 08:42
Subject: Pernicious PDF


Wondering if someone has figured out the below riddle.
I've found there are at least 3 types of PDF documents:
1. Text-based documents that JAWS can sort of read -- if there isn't lots
of crazy formatting with non standard tables and such.
2. Pictures, which need to be converted via OCR into RTF or some other
format using a PDF converter or a free-standing OCR package like OpenBook or
OmniPage.
3. Deceptive PDF documents which contain some text and some graphics. A
sighted person cannot tell that the document is not either type 1 or type 2
(above). The graphics are in fact filled with text that a sighted person
can see. If one runs one of these documents through a converter, one comes
up with a Word or RTF document with headers in text and text boxes with what
looks like text. Apparently it is some form of a text box, and JAWS is
stumped, reading the header only and then just saying "Graphic."
The only solution that I have found is to print out, scan back in as a
picture, and then convert using an OCR package.
The above gives rise to several questions:
1. Is there a better way to get at the text than the procedure just
described?
2. Does anyone know what setting the original creator of the PDF document
is using to create such pernicious documents? (I would much rather just have
a picture of the text. Then, the PDF converter could OCR it.)
3. If these are converted to text boxes and the stuff inside the boxes is,
in fact, text, does anyone know how to get at this text using JAWS? If the
only answer is the convenient OCR in JAWS 13, don't bother. I'd rather
print and scan in again.
If I can get in touch with the person who created this particular PDF
document (I've seen this before), I'll try to figure out how it was created.
I'm a little pessimistic since this is a court-filed document with the
Federal District Court in Mississippi.
Thanks in advance.


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
1010 Grand Boulevard
Suite 500
Kansas City, MO 64106
ed.marquette@...




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IS NOT INTENDED OR WRITTEN TO BE USED,
AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING PENALTIES
UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE.

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Pernicious PDF

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Wondering if someone has figured out the below riddle.
I've found there are at least 3 types of PDF documents:
1. Text-based documents that JAWS can sort of read -- if there isn't lots of crazy formatting with non standard tables and such.
2. Pictures, which need to be converted via OCR into RTF or some other format using a PDF converter or a free-standing OCR package like OpenBook or OmniPage.
3. Deceptive PDF documents which contain some text and some graphics. A sighted person cannot tell that the document is not either type 1 or type 2 (above). The graphics are in fact filled with text that a sighted person can see. If one runs one of these documents through a converter, one comes up with a Word or RTF document with headers in text and text boxes with what looks like text. Apparently it is some form of a text box, and JAWS is stumped, reading the header only and then just saying "Graphic."
The only solution that I have found is to print out, scan back in as a picture, and then convert using an OCR package.
The above gives rise to several questions:
1. Is there a better way to get at the text than the procedure just described?
2. Does anyone know what setting the original creator of the PDF document is using to create such pernicious documents? (I would much rather just have a picture of the text. Then, the PDF converter could OCR it.)
3. If these are converted to text boxes and the stuff inside the boxes is, in fact, text, does anyone know how to get at this text using JAWS? If the only answer is the convenient OCR in JAWS 13, don't bother. I'd rather print and scan in again.
If I can get in touch with the person who created this particular PDF document (I've seen this before), I'll try to figure out how it was created. I'm a little pessimistic since this is a court-filed document with the Federal District Court in Mississippi.
Thanks in advance.


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
1010 Grand Boulevard
Suite 500
Kansas City, MO 64106
ed.marquette@...




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RECOMMENDING OF ANY ENTITY, INVESTMENT PLAN OR ARRANGEMENT, AND SUCH ADVICE IS NOT INTENDED OR WRITTEN TO BE USED,
AND CANNOT BE USED, BY A TAXPAYER FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING PENALTIES UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE.

This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named recipients above and may contain information
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Re: Gantt charts

Dave...
 

Naomi,

You are welcome.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Naomi Bolter" <Naomi.Bolter@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 21:41
Subject: RE: Gantt charts


Hi Dave,

I have been on leave so didn't reply to your helpful email.

Thanks for letting me know I appreciate it!


Regards
Naomi Bolter

ADHC
Project officer
Strategic capability division

Level 10 83 Clarence Street Sydney 2000

P 82954618
E naomi.bolter@...
F: 82954622

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 02:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Gantt charts

Microsoft Project will do this. It's not totally accessible, but you can

work with it.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Naomi Bolter" <Naomi.Bolter@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 18:39
Subject: Gantt charts


Hello everyone,



I'm a project officer and therefore need to be able to come up with
Gantt charts in some way.



I've tried to make one following Microsoft's online steps in excel but
Jaws won't read it obviously and when I asked a sited person, they said
it didn't really look like a Gantt chart even though I'd followed the
steps perfectly.



So my question is; does anyone know of any products that may assist me
in any way? I am a where that I may only be able to create one not read
it but if that's all I can get I'm happy with that. Also any other ideas
on something that may work just as well but not be a Gantt chart would
be much appreciated if anyone has the time.



Many thanks in advance for any information anyone is kind enough to
share.



Regards

Naomi Bolter



ADHC

Project officer

Strategic capability division



Level 10 83 Clarence Street Sydney 2000



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E naomi.bolter@...

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Re: Gantt charts

Naomi Bolter <Naomi.Bolter@...>
 

Hi Dave,

I have been on leave so didn't reply to your helpful email.

Thanks for letting me know I appreciate it!


Regards
Naomi Bolter

ADHC
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Strategic capability division

Level 10 83 Clarence Street Sydney 2000

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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 02:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Gantt charts

Microsoft Project will do this. It's not totally accessible, but you can

work with it.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 18:39
Subject: Gantt charts


Hello everyone,



I'm a project officer and therefore need to be able to come up with
Gantt charts in some way.



I've tried to make one following Microsoft's online steps in excel but
Jaws won't read it obviously and when I asked a sited person, they said
it didn't really look like a Gantt chart even though I'd followed the
steps perfectly.



So my question is; does anyone know of any products that may assist me
in any way? I am a where that I may only be able to create one not read
it but if that's all I can get I'm happy with that. Also any other ideas
on something that may work just as well but not be a Gantt chart would
be much appreciated if anyone has the time.



Many thanks in advance for any information anyone is kind enough to
share.



Regards

Naomi Bolter



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Re: Jaws and WordPress?

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Outdated but it will not work for newer browsers.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Matt Dierckens
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 6:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws and WordPress?

I know its outdated, but at least the code works. :) I'll have a look at
that site as well. Thanks.
Matt
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On 2012-07-08, at 7:16 PM, Kimsan wrote:

If the book is from blind training.com that book is outdated.
If you are looking for html one on one training or assistance, go here:
http://www.blindaccesstraining.com/main_files/web_development.php
and check the preferred topic an a quality trainer will get back with you.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Matt Dierckens
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 10:47 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws and WordPress?

There's a book that I found about writing HTML. Once I find it, I
shall distribute. I'm just awesome like that. :) HTH.
Matt
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On 2012-07-08, at 11:44 AM, Stephanie Switzer wrote:

Chris

This is all I have in regards to notes. I suggest you write it down
somewhere, so you don't lose it. lol. Not trying to sound like your
mother or anything. I just know how I am when I ask for something and
don't immediately write it down. :) :) (someone sent this to me on
twitter)
<a href="actual link URL goes here">What you want people to see goes
here</a> I hope this helps. I know there's (supposively) a thingy to
add a link in HTML format on wordpress (at least on the .com website)
But I never can get it to work. :) I'm guessing that it doesn't like
Jaws or any other type of screen reader that I've tried. lol. :)

On 7/8/12, Chris Smart <csmart8@...> wrote:
Hi Stephanie.
Yes, I'd love to check out your notes. It's been 14 years since I've
typed basic html.

So, do you use <bold> <h1> and similar basic html formatting, and <a
href for links? that's about all I remember from way back.

thanks
Chris




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I use wordpress.com which is the web-hosting site. I use HTML when
I post links. If you want I can send you the instructions that I
have that tells you how to do it.

On 7/7/12, Chris Smart <csmart8@...> wrote:
Do any of you blog using Wordpress? If so, do you have any tips on
how to imbed links in your posts, format them so they are more
appealing visually?

I'm using Jaws 13 and the latest Firefox.

Feel free to write me about this off-list, if you think it doesn't
belong here.

thanks
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Re: Jaws and WordPress?

Matt Dierckens <matt.dierckens@...>
 

I know its outdated, but at least the code works. :) I'll have a look at that site as well. Thanks.
Matt
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On 2012-07-08, at 7:16 PM, Kimsan wrote:

If the book is from blind training.com that book is outdated.
If you are looking for html one on one training or assistance, go here:
http://www.blindaccesstraining.com/main_files/web_development.php
and check the preferred topic an a quality trainer will get back with you.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Matt Dierckens
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 10:47 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws and WordPress?

There's a book that I found about writing HTML. Once I find it, I shall
distribute. I'm just awesome like that. :) HTH.
Matt
Sent from my mac
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On 2012-07-08, at 11:44 AM, Stephanie Switzer wrote:

Chris

This is all I have in regards to notes. I suggest you write it down
somewhere, so you don't lose it. lol. Not trying to sound like your
mother or anything. I just know how I am when I ask for something and
don't immediately write it down. :) :) (someone sent this to me on
twitter)
<a href="actual link URL goes here">What you want people to see goes
here</a> I hope this helps. I know there's (supposively) a thingy to
add a link in HTML format on wordpress (at least on the .com website)
But I never can get it to work. :) I'm guessing that it doesn't like
Jaws or any other type of screen reader that I've tried. lol. :)

On 7/8/12, Chris Smart <csmart8@...> wrote:
Hi Stephanie.
Yes, I'd love to check out your notes. It's been 14 years since I've
typed basic html.

So, do you use <bold> <h1> and similar basic html formatting, and <a
href for links? that's about all I remember from way back.

thanks
Chris




At 02:12 AM 7/8/2012, you wrote:
I use wordpress.com which is the web-hosting site. I use HTML when I
post links. If you want I can send you the instructions that I have
that tells you how to do it.

On 7/7/12, Chris Smart <csmart8@...> wrote:
Do any of you blog using Wordpress? If so, do you have any tips on
how to imbed links in your posts, format them so they are more
appealing visually?

I'm using Jaws 13 and the latest Firefox.

Feel free to write me about this off-list, if you think it doesn't
belong here.

thanks
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Re: Emphasis on Exclamations.

Dani Pagador
 

Hi.
Do you mean for punctuation, or for dictionary entries in general? I'd like
to teach Eloquence to be able to say some of the Hawaiian words better e.g.,
lengthen syllables and shorten others. An example is Ka-a-a-wa, where the
stress is on the third A and it's said the way you'd say "diplomatic".
More Later,
Dani

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Robert Logue
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 3:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Emphasis on Exclamations.

There was once a way to change Eloquence settings that may have effected
enfaces but I don't know if it even works now. Anyone remember or know?

Bob

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To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:12 PM
Subject: Emphasis on Exclamations.


I'd like to have Jaws give a bit more oomph to exclamation points. The
response is so flat that, without pronunciation on, I usually can't tell
if one has been used. the response for question marks is fantastic, so I'm
presuming that there's a setting to lend exclamations a bit more kick,
presuming or hopeful. Anyone ever played with this?

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Re: Emphasis on Exclamations.

Robert Logue <bobcat11@...>
 

There was once a way to change Eloquence settings that may have effected enfaces but I don't know if it even works now. Anyone remember or know?

Bob

----- Original Message -----
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To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:12 PM
Subject: Emphasis on Exclamations.


I'd like to have Jaws give a bit more oomph to exclamation points. The response is so flat that, without pronunciation on, I usually can't tell if one has been used. the response for question marks is fantastic, so I'm presuming that there's a setting to lend exclamations a bit more kick, presuming or hopeful. Anyone ever played with this?

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Re: Jaws and WordPress?

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

If the book is from blind training.com that book is outdated.
If you are looking for html one on one training or assistance, go here:
http://www.blindaccesstraining.com/main_files/web_development.php
and check the preferred topic an a quality trainer will get back with you.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Matt Dierckens
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 10:47 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws and WordPress?

There's a book that I found about writing HTML. Once I find it, I shall
distribute. I'm just awesome like that. :) HTH.
Matt
Sent from my mac
Twitter: matt692
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On 2012-07-08, at 11:44 AM, Stephanie Switzer wrote:

Chris

This is all I have in regards to notes. I suggest you write it down
somewhere, so you don't lose it. lol. Not trying to sound like your
mother or anything. I just know how I am when I ask for something and
don't immediately write it down. :) :) (someone sent this to me on
twitter)
<a href="actual link URL goes here">What you want people to see goes
here</a> I hope this helps. I know there's (supposively) a thingy to
add a link in HTML format on wordpress (at least on the .com website)
But I never can get it to work. :) I'm guessing that it doesn't like
Jaws or any other type of screen reader that I've tried. lol. :)

On 7/8/12, Chris Smart <csmart8@...> wrote:
Hi Stephanie.
Yes, I'd love to check out your notes. It's been 14 years since I've
typed basic html.

So, do you use <bold> <h1> and similar basic html formatting, and <a
href for links? that's about all I remember from way back.

thanks
Chris




At 02:12 AM 7/8/2012, you wrote:
I use wordpress.com which is the web-hosting site. I use HTML when I
post links. If you want I can send you the instructions that I have
that tells you how to do it.

On 7/7/12, Chris Smart <csmart8@...> wrote:
Do any of you blog using Wordpress? If so, do you have any tips on
how to imbed links in your posts, format them so they are more
appealing visually?

I'm using Jaws 13 and the latest Firefox.

Feel free to write me about this off-list, if you think it doesn't
belong here.

thanks
Chris
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Help or Suggestions?

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

sure, try the mobile version. http://m.facebook.com.
Most of the time I use the full version, but the odd thing gives me difficulty, and I switch to m.facebook.com

Chris



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Does anyone have or know of any tips, suggestions or resources for improving
Jaws accessibility on Facebook?



Thanks,

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Re: working conditions in access tech industry (quality control)

epierce@...
 

If possible, please let me know where you would "look it up".

This list is full of pi$$y people right now. It doesn't matter if someone says something long or short, the pi$$y people are going to get annoyed, and some of them are probably even looking to get annoyed.

"You can pi$$ off all the people some of the time, or some of the people all the time, but not all the people all of the time."

As far as I know, there are no list guidelines/rules reflecting your personal preferences. Please correct me if wrong. The list is not restricted to disabled people, or people that only want to read tweets, or people with broken "delete" keys. Cultural ADD?

I spend a large amount of time deleting posts to this list from my email inbox that are completely irrelevant to me. A significant amount of them consist of sniping, or stupid arguments about who is posting inappropriate things and other material that is banned by the list rules.

As stated previously, I very much look forward to leaving this list as soon as JAWS (14?) works correctly on Windows7 (64 bit) with Microsoft Office 2010. Assuming there are no new problems. lol.

Thanks for expressing your opinion.

for anyone that missed it, here is the short version:

Of course most of the disabled people here only want to get the sh*tty
stuff that the government provides to them from the vendor working at
least 1/2 a$$ correctly.
But, hey, maybe the frustrating problems that have gone unresolved through
JAWS 11, 12 and 13 (Win7) will be solved in 14. Then I can go away happy
and not bother Mr. Levy. Hope springs eternal.


---- Original message ----
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 03:06:45 -0400
From: jfw-bounces@... (on behalf of "cecropia64" <cecropia64@...>)
Subject: Re: working conditions in access tech industry (quality control)
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>

no insult intended but you're just alittle long-winded. i don't think we
need this long thing about all of this. keep it short. works better by
the way, if anyone wanted all this, we could've looked it up if interested.
----- Original Message -----
From: <epierce@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 2:42 AM
Subject: working conditions in access tech industry (quality control)


(The original question was about bad quality control vs. bad management.)

Instead of flaming him, I subsequently asked a highly annoyed G. Levy:
"Do you have any direct knowledge of working conditions within FS for
their
developers or other technical workers?

Do you have any direct knowledge, other than as a consumer, of the
business
practices of access tech companies?"

--

You then asked if I had any answers to the questions I asked, a rather
peculiar request. If I had the answers, I would have stated them instead
of the questions. Unless you suspect that I was asking rhetorical bullsh*t
questions, which I was not.

I "suspect" that working at FS requires considerable moral compromise.
Please correct me if wrong, but the story that has been told is that the
founders left, or were pushed out. And all the competition died out. The
most creative, dynamic, morally commited people that created the existing
screen reader software industry were replaced by corporate bureaucrats by
a foreign owner. Then quality plunged. Presumably high paid consultants
and "life coaches" were brought in to do "team building" and
"restructuring" to little or no effect.

The access tech market is generally an appalling mess (it has both bad and
good elements), and has been for the 20+ years that I've been familiar
with it. I have seen complete charlatans and very bad products. Exactly
why it is a big mess remains to be explained. I do know that the behavior
of organizations on the consumer side (many of which are taxpayer
supported) is highly dysfunctional (access is promoted as much because of
careerism of access and compliance bureaucrats as from altruism, principle
or dedication to providing working conditions necessary to provide good
tech support to disabled clients). Presumably the producers adapt to
customer dysfunction. Eventually "style over substance" reigns.

It might be possible to "back into" an answer of sorts by thinking about
why an "accessibility built in" movement is being promoted by some
activists and scholars. Those activists would not be promoting "built in"
accessibility unless there were problems with the current industry.

I was taught that the burden of democracy is constant vigilance. When
public monies (or use of state police powers) are combined with the profit
motives of private contractors, there is always the danger of corruption,
malfeasance or organizational dysfunction.

Of course most of the disabled people here only want to get the sh*tty
stuff that the government provides to them from the vendor working at
least 1/2 a$$ correctly.

My understanding is that there is another JAWS support email list that is
run by control freaks and thought police that refuse to condone any
criticism of access vendors.

I do not know if that list provides higher quality specific advice about
product problems/resolutions.

But, hey, maybe the frustrating problems that have gone unresolved through
JAWS 11, 12 and 13 (Win7) will be solved in 14. Then I can go away happy
and not bother Mr. Levy. Hope springs eternal.


have a nice day.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 22:14:48 -0700
From: jfw-bounces@... (on behalf of "Farfar Carlson"
<dgcarlson@...>)
Subject: Re: A DICEY QUESTION
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>

Then I would ask...do you have such knowledge?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: <epierce@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 18:13
Subject: Re: A DICEY QUESTION


I apologize for any offense, regardless of how irrationally formulated it
was in the mind of the person taking the offense.

I fail to see the relevance of your post to the issues under discussion:
the
dysfunctional nature of the access tech product market, and FS's role.

Do you have any direct knowledge of working conditions within FS for their
developers or other technical workers?

Do you have any direct knowledge, other than as a consumer, of the
business
practices of access tech companies?

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 19:03:37 -0400
From: jfw-bounces@... (on behalf of "Gerald Levy"
<bwaylimited@...>)
Subject: Re: A DICEY QUESTION
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>


Why don't you take your idiotic ramblings elsewhere and stop wasting our
time? If you have nothing constructive to add to this forum, then get
lost.

Gerald


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From: <epierce@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: A DICEY QUESTION


The quality control team at FS needs to go back to Kindergarten so
that
the
proper steps of corporate quality control can be learned.
Why not blame bad management/ownership? They hired the developers and
QC,
and place constraints on how their business is operated.

As an aside, defining good quality control as "corporate" is
questionable.
You proably meant "professional"?

I would argue that the specific "corporatist" model that is common in
"predatory" businesses (and has now been taken up in public agencies,
the
educational system, etc.) is the source of poor quality, and poor
organizational performance in general.

The main characteristics of such dysfunctional organizations are: lack
of
trust, unwillingness to be vulnerable and honest, lack of openness and
lack of transparency. In addition, an overfocus on money and abuse of
authority and power, are typical in such dysfunctional organizations,
to
the detriment of authentic relationships, mutually shared value
commitments and local wisdom.

In short: these kinds of organizations and businesses abuse their
workers
and customers.

(See M. Scott Peck's work for the original source of the above ideas.)

From a systems theory perspective, one suspects that the competitive
market for the product in question has been distorted, or corrupted.


---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 08:50:35 -0600
From: jfw-bounces@... (on behalf of "Cy Selfridge"
<cyselfridge@...>)
Subject: RE: A DICEY QUESTION
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
...

What many, many JAWS users are unhappy about is the fact that we get
new
release after new release filled with bugs and things which used to
work
and
now no longer do.
The quality control team at FS needs to go back to Kindergarten so that
the
proper steps of corporate quality control can be learned.
...


Re: Facebook Accessibility Help or Suggestions?

David Greene <revdgreene@...>
 

Hi,
Use the mobile site at; mobile.facebook.com
David Greene

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Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 4:59 PM
Subject: Facebook Accessibility Help or Suggestions?


Hi!



Does anyone have or know of any tips, suggestions or resources for improving
Jaws accessibility on Facebook?



Thanks,

Richard

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Re: Facebook Accessibility Help or Suggestions?

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Well, if you're just wanting to read posts, you can use the mobile facebook site, at m.facebook.com. Hope this helps you out!

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Hi!



Does anyone have or know of any tips, suggestions or resources for improving
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