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Re: Jaws and ebay

Crystal French
 

Thank you, Juan, this worked like a charm.

I think I get so locked into doing things the same way that I can get myself flummoxed.

I am still using IE 8 as I didn't think I could use IE 9 with my computer.

Crystal

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws and ebay


Cristal:

To avoid the problem, try this way:
1. Press the C key to jump between the combo boxes.
2. When You reach the combo that you want interact, press alt plus down arrow to open it.
3. With the down or up arrow, only, do not use insert, navigate to the options that you need.
4. Press Enter to select the option.
I made some tests with Internet explorer 9 and firefox 13 into ebay page and nothin that you mentioned happened here.
I currently use a win7 sp1 with j13.
Best,
Juan Pablo.

-----Original Message-----
From: Crystal French
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws and ebay

Hi,
i am using the latest version of Jaws 13 with Windows SP sp 3.

I was looking at an item on ebay.

There is a combo box to select a size option.

Usually I press enter on the box and then an insert + down arrow to show the
selection, then press enter to make the choice.

On ebay I can not seem to get the box to behave correctly.

Jaws freezes, or simply7 will not read the slected item.

I've tried routing the jaws cursor, and the virtual cursor, and such, but no
luck.

Does anyone know of a way to get around this?

Thanks,
Crystal


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Re: Jaws and ebay

Robert S Juenger
 

Hi,
I have been using eBay for 12 years and sometimes it helps to use insert and
escape.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Crystal French
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:39 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws and ebay

Hi,
i am using the latest version of Jaws 13 with Windows SP sp 3.

I was looking at an item on ebay.

There is a combo box to select a size option.

Usually I press enter on the box and then an insert + down arrow to show the
selection, then press enter to make the choice.

On ebay I can not seem to get the box to behave correctly.

Jaws freezes, or simply7 will not read the slected item.

I've tried routing the jaws cursor, and the virtual cursor, and such, but no
luck.

Does anyone know of a way to get around this?

Thanks,
Crystal


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Re: Jaws and ebay

Juan Pablo <jpculasso@...>
 

Cristal:

To avoid the problem, try this way:
1. Press the C key to jump between the combo boxes.
2. When You reach the combo that you want interact, press alt plus down arrow to open it.
3. With the down or up arrow, only, do not use insert, navigate to the options that you need.
4. Press Enter to select the option.
I made some tests with Internet explorer 9 and firefox 13 into ebay page and nothin that you mentioned happened here.
I currently use a win7 sp1 with j13.
Best,
Juan Pablo.

-----Original Message-----
From: Crystal French
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws and ebay

Hi,
i am using the latest version of Jaws 13 with Windows SP sp 3.

I was looking at an item on ebay.

There is a combo box to select a size option.

Usually I press enter on the box and then an insert + down arrow to show the
selection, then press enter to make the choice.

On ebay I can not seem to get the box to behave correctly.

Jaws freezes, or simply7 will not read the slected item.

I've tried routing the jaws cursor, and the virtual cursor, and such, but no
luck.

Does anyone know of a way to get around this?

Thanks,
Crystal


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Jaws and ebay

Crystal French
 

Hi,
i am using the latest version of Jaws 13 with Windows SP sp 3.

I was looking at an item on ebay.

There is a combo box to select a size option.

Usually I press enter on the box and then an insert + down arrow to show the selection, then press enter to make the choice.

On ebay I can not seem to get the box to behave correctly.

Jaws freezes, or simply7 will not read the slected item.

I've tried routing the jaws cursor, and the virtual cursor, and such, but no luck.

Does anyone know of a way to get around this?

Thanks,
Crystal


Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Dave...
 

Jack,

And yes it's true that I could carry a separate speech synthesizer with me
wherever I go, or a scanner, as well for OCR. But when it comes to
traveling, I prefer as few add-ons as possible. So far, using the Microsoft
Natural keyboard on my home and office computers has kept all the RMI at
bay.

I do envy your speed with the Braille keyboard, as I know it's very handy
when taking notes.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack and Becky" <icanjam@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 07:23
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


Ah DAVE!
But one easily can. Or even can easily.
There are portable braille dispays with braille keyboards built
right into them.
You got your new foccus forty blue and fourteen You got your
braille pen you got your refreshabraille.
Course if you wanna disagree with me then have at it! God knows
you ain't alone.
JackJack


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Going 60" <dgcarlson@...
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...
Date sent: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:09:10 -0700
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard
Jack,
Having dexterity on a Braille keyboard is excellent, but when
you're in the
outside world, you would have to carry your keyboard with you in
case you
ever need to work on a machine away from your desk. Having
dexterity on the
predominant input device seems to me to be a key survival skill
in the
mainstream world.
Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack and Becky" <icanjam@...
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 06:51
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

I can type well enough! Should from all the typing lessons I
took in school.
Dad had a fuul glass. He was GLAD!
Got to where I wanted pop dear old dad upside the head with his
full glass.
But I have and always have done much better with the six dot
braille keyboard. So why type at all? Wish jaws had a braille
keyboard mode. I've been pushing hard for this but no know else
seems interested.
Alas and great sorrow!
Jack

----- Original Message -----
From: lauren <childress54@...
To: jfw@...
Date sent: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:41:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard
I was taught to type like a sighted person would learn. i never
used
any special keyboards or anything like that.
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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Jack and Becky <icanjam@...>
 

Ah DAVE!
But one easily can. Or even can easily.
There are portable braille dispays with braille keyboards built right into them.
You got your new foccus forty blue and fourteen You got your braille pen you got your refreshabraille.
Course if you wanna disagree with me then have at it! God knows you ain't alone.
JackJack

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From: "Farfar Going 60" <dgcarlson@...
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...
Date sent: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:09:10 -0700
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard
Jack,
Having dexterity on a Braille keyboard is excellent, but when
you're in the
outside world, you would have to carry your keyboard with you in
case you
ever need to work on a machine away from your desk. Having
dexterity on the
predominant input device seems to me to be a key survival skill
in the
mainstream world.
Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack and Becky" <icanjam@...
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 06:51
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

I can type well enough! Should from all the typing lessons I
took in school.
Dad had a fuul glass. He was GLAD!
Got to where I wanted pop dear old dad upside the head with his
full glass.
But I have and always have done much better with the six dot
braille keyboard. So why type at all? Wish jaws had a braille
keyboard mode. I've been pushing hard for this but no know else
seems interested.
Alas and great sorrow!
Jack

----- Original Message -----
From: lauren <childress54@...
To: jfw@...
Date sent: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:41:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard
I was taught to type like a sighted person would learn. i never
used
any special keyboards or anything like that.
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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Dave...
 

Jack,

Having dexterity on a Braille keyboard is excellent, but when you're in the
outside world, you would have to carry your keyboard with you in case you
ever need to work on a machine away from your desk. Having dexterity on the
predominant input device seems to me to be a key survival skill in the
mainstream world.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack and Becky" <icanjam@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 06:51
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


I can type well enough! Should from all the typing lessons I
took in school.
Dad had a fuul glass. He was GLAD!
Got to where I wanted pop dear old dad upside the head with his
full glass.
But I have and always have done much better with the six dot
braille keyboard. So why type at all? Wish jaws had a braille
keyboard mode. I've been pushing hard for this but no know else
seems interested.
Alas and great sorrow!
Jack


----- Original Message -----
From: lauren <childress54@...
To: jfw@...
Date sent: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:41:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard
I was taught to type like a sighted person would learn. i never
used
any special keyboards or anything like that.
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Re: Jaws and Office 2010 Ribbon Shortcuts

Dave...
 

Ali,

1. When I turn on virtual ribbons, navigating the menus, JAWS doesn't
say the shortcut keys so that I can memorize for later faster menu
choosing. Is there a JAWS key stroke so that I can use to receive the
ribbon item shortcut?

No. The virtual ribbon does not have shortcut keys. That's why I scrapped
it.
2. I decided to switch back to normal ribbon instead of virtual
ribbon. On each press of arrow keys to navigate the ribbon JAWS says
"You are currently on the ribbon. to navigate the ribbon items press
tab and shift tab, etc ...". Then after this long descriptive
repetitive text it announces the shortcut key of that item. I tried a
lot to find how I can make jaws not to say this descriptive long text
so that I can easily hear the shortcut as soon as the item name is
told, but I couldn't find the setting to do so. Any idea?

As suggested by another lister, you want to set your tutor to custom
messages only, and you may want to set your default verbosity to
intermediate or advanced. However the shortcuts will still be spoken as a
reminder of how to get there more quickly, and eventually you'll learn
some of the ones you use most often.
And as a suggestion for better redability of messages in E-Mail, may I
point out that the letter i should be capitalized when you refer to
yourself. Also first letter of any sentence should be a capital letter. As
I have edited above. I think that English is not your primary language, so
many of our writing styles may not be familiar to you. I only suggest to
help, and do not do so to offend.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ali Abdolrahmani" <aabdolrahmani@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 05:28
Subject: Jaws and Office 2010 Ribbon Shortcuts


hi listers

Sorry my last email was sent to the list without content.. i have the
following issues with office 2010 ribbon. any
help is highly appreciated.
1. when i turn on virtual ribbons, navigating the menues, jaws doesn't
say the shortcut keys so that i can memorize for later faster menu
choosing. is there a jaws key stroke so that i can use to receive the
ribbon item shortcut?

2. i decided to switch back to normal ribbon instead of virtual
ribbon. on each press of arrow keys to navigate the ribbon jaws says
"you are currently on the ribbon. to navigate the ribbon items press
tab and shift tab, etc ...". then after this long descriptive
repeatative text it announces the shortcutkey of that item. i tried a
lot to find how i can make jaws not to say this descriptive long text
so that i can easily hear the shortcut as soon as the item name is
told but i couldn't find the setting to do so. any idea?

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Re: Jaws and Office 2010 Ribbon Shortcuts

Soronel Haetir
 

And for the second part, with the long description, what choice have
you made for the Verbosity setting?

To check that if you aren't sure, hit jaws+6 then type "Verbosity
level" in the search bar. If you are using an older version of jaws
that doesn't have the search feature it's still under the jaws+6
program but I forget the exact menu item name.

On 6/26/12, David Greene <revdgreene@...> wrote:
Hi, did you try bringing Jaws to the focus, press alt, down arrow once to
options, press enter, the first set of boxes you land on will give you
some options for how Jaws speaks menus. Maybe this will help?
David Greene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ali Abdolrahmani" <aabdolrahmani@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:28 AM
Subject: Jaws and Office 2010 Ribbon Shortcuts


hi listers

Sorry my last email was sent to the list without content.. i have the
following issues with office 2010 ribbon. any
help is highly appreciated.
1. when i turn on virtual ribbons, navigating the menues, jaws doesn't
say the shortcut keys so that i can memorize for later faster menu
choosing. is there a jaws key stroke so that i can use to receive the
ribbon item shortcut?

2. i decided to switch back to normal ribbon instead of virtual
ribbon. on each press of arrow keys to navigate the ribbon jaws says
"you are currently on the ribbon. to navigate the ribbon items press
tab and shift tab, etc ...". then after this long descriptive
repeatative text it announces the shortcutkey of that item. i tried a
lot to find how i can make jaws not to say this descriptive long text
so that i can easily hear the shortcut as soon as the item name is
told but i couldn't find the setting to do so. any idea?

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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Jack and Becky <icanjam@...>
 

Yes and then there's carpal tunnel syndrome which you might get from forming your fingers into all those unnatural shapes for years and years. Your fingers weren't MEANT to be scrunched UP like that.
But that's just my opinion. I'm a die hard braille keyboard user. Always will be.
No No
Don't try and change my mind.
JackJack

----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Going 60" <dgcarlson@...
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...
Date sent: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:07:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard
Agree wholeheartedly.
What's the point in labeling the keys? If you should sit down at
another
computer, you'd be complete lost without your crutch. Learn the
home keys
(A S D F and J k L ;) and the proper fingers to use for moving
above and
below.
Practice, practice, practice. Touch typing is easy once you
force yourself
to follow the patterns.
Then the spell-checker is your next best friend.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "lauren" <childress54@...
To: <jfw@...
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 21:41
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

I was taught to type like a sighted person would learn. i never
used
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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Jack and Becky <icanjam@...>
 

I can type well enough! Should from all the typing lessons I took in school.
Dad had a fuul glass. He was GLAD!
Got to where I wanted pop dear old dad upside the head with his full glass.
But I have and always have done much better with the six dot braille keyboard. So why type at all? Wish jaws had a braille keyboard mode. I've been pushing hard for this but no know else seems interested.
Alas and great sorrow!
Jack

----- Original Message -----
From: lauren <childress54@...
To: jfw@...
Date sent: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:41:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard
I was taught to type like a sighted person would learn. i never
used
any special keyboards or anything like that.
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Re: Duplicate Post Shanaganins!

Jack and Becky <icanjam@...>
 

Well I just joined up again and I haven't seen any duplicates from old Chris.

May I ask a actual by GOD windoze question on here?? I'm having firewall issues but doan woan get yelled at.
Old Jack

----- Original Message -----
From: "cecropia64" <cecropia64@...
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...
Date sent: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:02:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Duplicate Post Shanaganins!
just a heads up chris. i'm getting your dupes also. it'll be
interesting
to find out why. good luck.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@...
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 7:46 PM
Subject: Duplicate Post Shanaganins!

Another reason I don't think the duplictes are coming from me is
delivery
time. When I post something, I typically see it returned from
the list
within thirty seconds. The duplicates start showing up hours
later, at
least here.
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Re: Eset Smart security

Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

Interesting I am not getting duplicates.
Regards
Tom Bisset

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: June 25, 2012 7:39 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Eset Smart security

Holger and others... I am not sending out duplicates from here.
They are deleted from my inbox and my ISP's server right away. I'm
sorry about this, but the problem is occuring elsewhere.

At 07:20 PM 6/25/2012, you wrote:
OK. I seem the same message 5 times. Do not know what is going
on but it keeps repeating.

-----Original Message----- From: Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 3:52 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Eset Smart security

Is there a particularly good reason why you aren't using
Microsoft's free and accessible Security Esentials?

At 04:12 PM 6/25/2012, you wrote:
Hi: I'm using Eset Smart security 5 with jaws, both 11 with
windows xp and 13 with windows 7 64 bit. Eset is not working well
at all and conflicts with jaws. I'm constantly having to restart
Eset. Have any of you had experience with this program? If so,
any suggestions?
Otherwise, can someone recommend a good virus protection that
works well with jaws?
Thanks.
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:35 AM
Subject: RE: off topic- open book


Good. I more or less gathered that from posts sent after
mine. It's a
one-trick pony, but still reasonably affordable. I may pick one
up while
I'm on vacation.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:13 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: off topic- open book


No, the IBill will accurately identify all denominations of US
currency
from
$1 bills to $100 bills. Because it is not a scanner, it cannot
be used
to conterfeit currency, so it has nno limitations on which bills
it can
scan.
Besides, it is very small, about the size of a deck of cards.

Gerald

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:01 AM
Subject: RE: off topic- open book


Does that gizmo suffer from the limitations noted above? I
have been
flirting with the idea of purchasing one. I'd ask you this off
list,
but
Reply Directly to sender is broken again.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 6:55 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: off topic- open book


I always found the buck scan bill identifier option of Open
Book to be
cumbersome and unreliable anyway, regardless of the bill
denomination.
The
IBill is a better alternative.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Hunthausen"
<dhunthausen@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 12:47 AM
Subject: RE: off topic- open book


Perfect!!! I only carry $100 bills anyway!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar Going 60
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:20 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: off topic- open book

Drew,

Unfortunately $20 and $5 bills are no longer working. It's because
the

U.S.
government has made sure that scanner drivers will not
correctly scan
in
money. Call Freedom Scientific and you'll get the full story.

Still works on $100 bills, so start using only large
denominations.
Oh,
yes,
$1 bills should also still work.

However a $1000 bill is definitely out of the question.

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Hunthausen"
<dhunthausen@...>
To: "Jaws list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 21:09
Subject: off topic- open book


Dear list,

This is an open book question. I'm not sure what other list to
send
this
to.
I need to know what settings I need to have so that open book will
recognize
dollar bills. I'm using version9 and it gives me an error
every time.
thanks



Drew Hunthausen 714 296-7111



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Re: Jaws and Office 2010 Ribbon Shortcuts

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Hi, did you try bringing Jaws to the focus, press alt, down arrow once to options, press enter, the first set of boxes you land on will give you some options for how Jaws speaks menus. Maybe this will help?
David Greene

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Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:28 AM
Subject: Jaws and Office 2010 Ribbon Shortcuts


hi listers

Sorry my last email was sent to the list without content.. i have the
following issues with office 2010 ribbon. any
help is highly appreciated.
1. when i turn on virtual ribbons, navigating the menues, jaws doesn't
say the shortcut keys so that i can memorize for later faster menu
choosing. is there a jaws key stroke so that i can use to receive the
ribbon item shortcut?

2. i decided to switch back to normal ribbon instead of virtual
ribbon. on each press of arrow keys to navigate the ribbon jaws says
"you are currently on the ribbon. to navigate the ribbon items press
tab and shift tab, etc ...". then after this long descriptive
repeatative text it announces the shortcutkey of that item. i tried a
lot to find how i can make jaws not to say this descriptive long text
so that i can easily hear the shortcut as soon as the item name is
told but i couldn't find the setting to do so. any idea?

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Jaws and Office 2010 Ribbon Shortcuts

Ali Abdolrahmani
 

hi listers

Sorry my last email was sent to the list without content.. i have the
following issues with office 2010 ribbon. any
help is highly appreciated.
1. when i turn on virtual ribbons, navigating the menues, jaws doesn't
say the shortcut keys so that i can memorize for later faster menu
choosing. is there a jaws key stroke so that i can use to receive the
ribbon item shortcut?

2. i decided to switch back to normal ribbon instead of virtual
ribbon. on each press of arrow keys to navigate the ribbon jaws says
"you are currently on the ribbon. to navigate the ribbon items press
tab and shift tab, etc ...". then after this long descriptive
repeatative text it announces the shortcutkey of that item. i tried a
lot to find how i can make jaws not to say this descriptive long text
so that i can easily hear the shortcut as soon as the item name is
told but i couldn't find the setting to do so. any idea?


Ali Abdolrahmani
 

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Re: Persian/Arabic Characters

Ali Abdolrahmani
 

oh let me come in to the discussion. I am persian too. Hamid! as far
as i know this issue has come to jaws from 11.0.576 or so. i mean
versions after this release have a different behavior in reading so.
may i email you directly to ask about this eSpeak you have mentioned?

On 6/25/12, Hamid Hamraz <hhamraz@...> wrote:
They were just a few random keyboard hits out of the Persian keyboard
layout. We are writing from right to left. . However, math is written from
left to right. Our digits are also different.
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From: "alice dampman humel" <alicedh@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Persian/Arabic Characters


Ah, so what you included in your message was Persian?
What does it mean? And do you read from right to left, sorry not
to know something so basic.
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Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: Persian/Arabic Characters


Well, I also don't understand Arabic - We, Persians, just share
most of the
letters. You reported a helpful experience: I also do not
remember, when
using JAWS 10.0 few years ago, to face such a problem. If
somebody else
report the result with JAWS 11.0, then we can locate when has
this problem
emerged. JAWS 13 has also the same issue on my trial version.

Hamid
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Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: Persian/Arabic Characters


Hi, Hamid and Soronel,
Soroonel, that was a great idea, so I performed the same
experiment. I'm using JAWS 9, and I do not speak, understand or
read Arabic, but I believe I hear consistent sounds if I read
by
character using the left or right arrow key.
Here's a phonetic representation of what I hear, reading from
right to left, which, Hamid, I think is the correct way to read
Arabic? Please forgive me if I'm wrong about that. I'm spelling
the sounds so JAWS speaks what I'm hearing. Obviously, the
words
space and silence are not sounds, but what's really there, a
space or a silence! If you navigate using control right arrow,
you will hear each element as I heard it. Here goes:
seen silence seen (it actually may be seem, I can't quite
tell...) ayn heh ayn ka space dad ka sad aleph lan (again, it
may
be lam...or even lanm) dal heh theh meem silence beh
Every time I read by character, I get the same sounds, so I'm
not
getting the inconsisistencies you both heard.
HTH! And let us know what happens! Good luck!

Alice

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
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Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: Persian/Arabic Characters


I can confirm that if I move over your test sequence by word or
character, (either left to right or right to left) that my
American
English eloquence synthesizer does not produce consistent
sounds.
I
don't know either language/script and so can't tell you under
what
circumstances it's screwing up, only that I do get different
sounds
where I would expect them to be the same.

Do you have a native Arabic/Persian synthesizer available? I
would
not expect you to have particularly good results unless you do
use
such a synthesizer.

On 6/23/12, Hamid Hamraz <hhamraz@...> wrote:
Dear Folks,

I am using JAWS 12.0 32-bit on windows 7. I've noticed that on
Persion
character/words JAWS works completely randomly! For instance,
for a letter
or word when I use the arrow keys to hear it again, I hear a
completely
different thing each time. I've also renewed my windows 7
recently, but the
problem persists.

Does anybody have a clue where the problem is? JAWS, Windows?

Here are a few Persian characters:

بیمثهدلاصخض خعهعسکس

For me, the problem persists both in typing and reading. Could
you test
them?

Thanks,

Hamid
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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I guess every school for the blind in the country taught typing, even
back in The Bronze Age. I've heard Ronnie Millsap joke that they only
did it so the house parents wouldn't have to help write letters home,
but it turned out to be one of the best investments of time I ever
made--and I did it for 7 of my 12 years, never dreaming what lay down
the road.

Ted

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[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Stephanie Switzer
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 6:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

I learned touch typing by using Talking typer. From what I can remember
they introduce you to a few keys at a time until you've learned the
entire keyboard. Braille on a computer keyboard isn't really necessary
because the F and J keys have a line or a dot (depending on how old the
computer is) on them. When I took Keyboarding in school the teacher made
us learn touch typing. (I took it with sighted kids because I was main
streamed.) I tried the braille overlays when I was about your daughter's
age and they kept slipping off the keyboard (Do those still exist?)
Finally one of my Vision impaired teachers (V. I.s) got me talking
typer. Anyway I started writing this to point out that most sighted
people don't look at the keyboard while they type, so why should we? :)
I'm only saying the "sighted people" part because I remember that my
keyboarding teacher said it over and over. :) I admire you for allowing
your daughter the chance to use a quarity keyboard. I didn't get to use
one until resently. Though that was more the school's fault then my
parrents.
lol. :)
Good luck with everthing! :)

On 6/22/12, Kimsan Song <kimsansong@...> wrote:
Oh? My? Gosh? Dave Carlson you crack me up!

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Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:11 AM
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Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Late? Not at all. It's still 2012. You have up to a year, month, and a
day to respond. OF course the originator may have moved on to other
topics -- or lists, or countries.

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 07:01
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


Hi Richard,
This is a late response. I first started to learn to type on an old
manual typewriter when I was about your daughter's age fifty years
ago. At thattime
my classroom had a Braille book with a prototype of a keyboard
showing
keys with Braille labels that was part of the Braille book. I
memorized the keyboard and my average typing speed on a typewriter is
about 60-70 WPM. If your daughter is going to be proficient she needs
to learn proper fingering and memorization. This is the same method
that professional sighted stenographers and typists have used for
years. Of course, at that time while use of Braille was encouraged for
totally blind children it was also expected that blind children
learned how to adapt and used standard whenever possible. hope this
helps.
Chuck
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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 11:02 AM
Subject: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


I am a typically sighted parent of a blind child (age 9). I interact
with many other parents of blind children and could use some advice
for my child and to share with other parents.

My daughter was effectively born blind having lost all usable vision
by a few months of age. She learned braille from the start and
learned to type on a perkins brailler first, then started to learn
qwerty. She much prefers to use a braille keyboard on her computer
and notetaker (Apex) as well, keeping a qwerety keyboard plugged in
on her computer for occasional use for certain keys and functions.

My question is this: What is the best way for a blind typist to learn
to use a qwerty keyboard; to do this most efficiently? Is it using
JAWS feedback with the repeating of characters verbally as typed?
What about the braille key caps, or at least braille stickers for
keys? (I have never yet found a USB braille key capped keyboard, only
an old PS-2 style unit) I get that touch typing and just pressing
down on braille key caps would be of little use braille-wise, but is
is like for sighted typists, in that it helps get reoriented when
your fingers move or you get distracted, etc., and just to learn
qwerty in the beginning? It would be easy enough to remove the
braille and go with a standard keyboard later on-- conventional
keyboards are cheap.

What we end up with as parents is an argument between (mostly
typically-sighted) parents that braille caps are a great idea vs. how
bad of an idea they are to use. I'm not trying to sit in either
camp-- I'm wondering which seems to help (and curious about any
suggestions of the best ways to learn qwerty typing without vision).

I don't want to clog up the list too much with this, though it is
JAWS-related, obviously. Please do feel free to reply directly if you
prefer. Your response may be valuable to quite a few parents of
younger, keyboard-learning braille computer users, so thanks for any
experience you may be able to share.

Richard
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Re: Duplicate Post Shanaganins!

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Hi Bill. yep, that's the word. Sorry for the misspelling.

At 12:13 AM 6/26/2012, you wrote:
I think Chris meant:

shenanigan
(n. Informal.Usually, shenanigans.
mischief; prankishness: Halloween shenanigans.
2. a mischievous or deceitful trick, practice, etc.
shenanigan
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Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: Duplicate Post Shanaganins!


What are Shanaganins!? Is that a misspelling?


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Another reason I don't think the duplictes are coming from me is delivery time. When I post something, I typically see it returned from the list within thirty seconds. The duplicates start showing up hours later, at least here.
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