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Re: Hurray! Webvisum is Back!

Dave...
 

Stewart,

Please set up your E-Mail so your replies appear at the top. Took me almost
a minute to dig down your last post to find this:

sorry folks. didn't know this. but i do now. stewart

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: <cecropia64@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 06:38
Subject: Re: Hurray! Webvisum is Back!


On 6/22/2012 9:31 AM, Farfar Going 60 wrote:
No attachment on your message -- not allowed by the list server.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: <cecropia64@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 06:20
Subject: Re: Hurray! Webvisum is Back!


On 6/22/2012 9:09 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
Great news, gang. I am extremely happy to report that Webvisum is up and
running again. It's web site is back, and when you launch Firefox, you
should hear the normal welcome message, "Alert,you are logged on to
Webvisum". I verified that it works by submitting an image captcha from
a
test page,and Webvisum successfully decoded it. So it is not necessary
to
locate and modify the Hosts file to get it to work. Hopefully, Webvisum
will continue to function for a long time to come. But if it ever
does go away for good, at least it is reassuring to know that there are
potential alternatives available like Rumola and Captcha Monster.

Gerald

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just a tiny bit of info. if anybody is interested in captcha monster if
web visum dies again, here are the fees in attached file.

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Hello,

You can find all the available plans on
http://captchamonster.com/



These are are as follows:
$2.99 for 60 CAPTCHAs/month
$4.99 for 120 CAPTCHAs/month
$9.99 for 760 CAPTCHAs/month

Please let me know if you need any further help.

Thanks,
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Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

Raymond Lombardi <ray214@...>
 

web vism is up and running again.


Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

Adrian Spratt
 

So might we if we knew what you were referring to.

Lately, one lister is neglecting to include copies of prior correspondence.
Another is sending us the prior correspondence all over again without adding
anything.

Two listers to ignore in the future?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Raymond Lombardi
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

I like that idea.


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Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

Raymond Lombardi <ray214@...>
 

what you said was very weird about you not being able to log in.
I logged into web vism this morning and it worked.


Re: I want to thank all of you..

Raymond Lombardi <ray214@...>
 

You're welcomde.


Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

Raymond Lombardi <ray214@...>
 

I like that idea.


Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

Raymond Lombardi <ray214@...>
 

I understand that, but that is slamming the door in blind peoples' faces when they think of stuff like that before our accessibility.


Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

Raymond Lombardi <ray214@...>
 

I also think there should be a law if you hack three times, you're in jail no investigation.
If the cops have your ip address you're in for trouble if you hacked.


Re: Hurray! Webvisum is Back!

cecropia64
 

On 6/22/2012 9:31 AM, Farfar Going 60 wrote:
No attachment on your message -- not allowed by the list server.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: <cecropia64@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 06:20
Subject: Re: Hurray! Webvisum is Back!


On 6/22/2012 9:09 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
Great news, gang. I am extremely happy to report that Webvisum is up and
running again. It's web site is back, and when you launch Firefox, you
should hear the normal welcome message, "Alert,you are logged on to
Webvisum". I verified that it works by submitting an image captcha from a
test page,and Webvisum successfully decoded it. So it is not necessary to
locate and modify the Hosts file to get it to work. Hopefully, Webvisum
will continue to function for a long time to come. But if it ever
does go away for good, at least it is reassuring to know that there are
potential alternatives available like Rumola and Captcha Monster.

Gerald

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Hello,

You can find all the available plans on
http://captchamonster.com/



These are are as follows:
$2.99 for 60 CAPTCHAs/month
$4.99 for 120 CAPTCHAs/month
$9.99 for 760 CAPTCHAs/month

Please let me know if you need any further help.

Thanks,
Mateusz
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sorry folks. didn't know this. but i do now. stewart


Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

Dave...
 

The message itself is weird. I don't think Raymond is referring to any
particular person or group of persons. Don't stress over it.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 06:31
Subject: Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?


Please explain what's weird; I found no original post included in reply. If
you include original message in reply a short message like this will make
more sense. Thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-901-7306
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raymond Lombardi" <ray214@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?


Very weird.

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Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

Raymond Lombardi <ray214@...>
 

I whent to google and tried to solve a captcha using the audio one and it is very hard to understand.

I opened it this morning and it worked.


Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

douglas richard dexheimer
 

Please explain what's weird; I found no original post included in reply. If you include original message in reply a short message like this will make more sense. Thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-901-7306
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raymond Lombardi" <ray214@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?


Very weird.

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Re: R: Webvisum

cecropia64
 

On 6/22/2012 9:19 AM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Yes.. Great news!
Angela from Italy.



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-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] Per
conto di Brandon Misch
Inviato: venerdì 22 giugno 2012 15:14
A: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Oggetto: Re: Webvisum

web visum is now up and running

On Jun 22, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Douglas Richard Dexheimer wrote:

Here's a conversation I had with a local computer guru; hope one of you
can provide suggestions.
Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-901-7306
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@...
----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer"
<drichardd@...>
To: "Sharyn Sobel" <sharynsobel@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: Webvisum


I went to the link you posted, proceeded to download, end user license
agreement, accept and install, but got this message:
Software Installation
Install add-ons only from authors whom you trust.
Malicious software can damage your computer or violate your privacy.
You have asked to install the following item:
WebVisum (Author not verified)
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/downloads/file/127710/webvisum-0.9
-fx.xpi?src=
Install Now Cancel
Before that message there was a popup saying "install 4 button
unavailable".
When I hit the install button, I was prompted to restart Firefox, after
which I was returned to the license agreement page, and I heard no
indication that Webvisum had installed, or that I was logged in to Webvisum.
I received a long thread from the JFW users group about the Webvisum
website no longer working and exploring alternative CAPTCHA solving methods.
I want to pass along a suggestion someone gave about opening a file called
Hosts. to get Webvisum to work. When I tried that I got no luck.
Thanks again for your feedback.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-901-7306
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@...
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharyn Sobel"
<sharynsobel@...>
To: "'Douglas Richard Dexheimer'" <drichardd@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:02 PM
Subject: Webvisum


Doug,

I have researched and researched this issue to no avail.

I only found the Firefox website to download Webvisum v0.9 from.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/webvisum/?src=search
There are no comments on how it has worked out for people as there
are zero reviews. It says it works with Works with Firefox 3.0 -
5.* This version came out July 30, 2011.

I have no other solution nor have I found any substitute product or
plug in for it.

Sharyn

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I'LL SAY ONE THING. THEIR SITE IS LOOKING AND SOUNDING REAL FUNNY. CAN'T ACCESS MANY OF THE LINKS. THIS MAY BE BECAUSE THE SITE WAS DOWN AND THEY HAVE TO GET IT UP AND RUNNING AGAIN. BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE A WORKING APP AGAIN. HOPEFULLY IT'LL STICK AROUND FOR A BIT. GOD WILLING?!

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Re: Hurray! Webvisum is Back!

Dave...
 

No attachment on your message -- not allowed by the list server.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: <cecropia64@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 06:20
Subject: Re: Hurray! Webvisum is Back!


On 6/22/2012 9:09 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
Great news, gang. I am extremely happy to report that Webvisum is up and
running again. It's web site is back, and when you launch Firefox, you
should hear the normal welcome message, "Alert,you are logged on to
Webvisum". I verified that it works by submitting an image captcha from a
test page,and Webvisum successfully decoded it. So it is not necessary to
locate and modify the Hosts file to get it to work. Hopefully, Webvisum
will continue to function for a long time to come. But if it ever
does go away for good, at least it is reassuring to know that there are
potential alternatives available like Rumola and Captcha Monster.

Gerald

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-------------- next part --------------
Hello,

You can find all the available plans on
http://captchamonster.com/



These are are as follows:
$2.99 for 60 CAPTCHAs/month
$4.99 for 120 CAPTCHAs/month
$9.99 for 760 CAPTCHAs/month

Please let me know if you need any further help.

Thanks,
Mateusz
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Re: Solving captcha if you are totally blind.

Raymond Lombardi <ray214@...>
 

tthey put it into Jaws Chris.


Re: Hurray! Webvisum is Back!

cecropia64
 

On 6/22/2012 9:09 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
Great news, gang. I am extremely happy to report that Webvisum is up and running again. It's web site is back, and when you launch Firefox, you should hear the normal welcome message, "Alert,you are logged on to Webvisum". I verified that it works by submitting an image captcha from a test page,and Webvisum successfully decoded it. So it is not necessary to locate and modify the Hosts file to get it to work. Hopefully, Webvisum will continue to function for a long time to come. But if it ever does go away for good, at least it is reassuring to know that there are potential alternatives available like Rumola and Captcha Monster.

Gerald

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-------------- next part --------------
Hello,

You can find all the available plans on http://captchamonster.com/



These are are as follows:
$2.99 for 60 CAPTCHAs/month
$4.99 for 120 CAPTCHAs/month
$9.99 for 760 CAPTCHAs/month

Please let me know if you need any further help.

Thanks,
Mateusz


Re: Webvisum

Brandon
 

web visum is now up and running

On Jun 22, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Douglas Richard Dexheimer wrote:

Here's a conversation I had with a local computer guru; hope one of you can provide suggestions.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-901-7306
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@...
----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Richard Dexheimer" <drichardd@...>
To: "Sharyn Sobel" <sharynsobel@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: Webvisum


I went to the link you posted, proceeded to download, end user license agreement, accept and install, but got this message:
Software Installation
Install add-ons only from authors whom you trust.
Malicious software can damage your computer or violate your privacy.
You have asked to install the following item:
WebVisum (Author not verified)
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/downloads/file/127710/webvisum-0.9-fx.xpi?src=
Install Now Cancel
Before that message there was a popup saying "install 4 button unavailable".
When I hit the install button, I was prompted to restart Firefox, after which I was returned to the license agreement page, and I heard no indication that Webvisum had installed, or that I was logged in to Webvisum.
I received a long thread from the JFW users group about the Webvisum website no longer working and exploring alternative CAPTCHA solving methods. I want to pass along a suggestion someone gave about opening a file called Hosts. to get Webvisum to work. When I tried that I got no luck.
Thanks again for your feedback.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-901-7306
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@...
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharyn Sobel" <sharynsobel@...>
To: "'Douglas Richard Dexheimer'" <drichardd@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:02 PM
Subject: Webvisum


Doug,

I have researched and researched this issue to no avail.

I only found the Firefox website to download Webvisum v0.9 from.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/webvisum/?src=search
There are no comments on how it has worked out for people as there are zero
reviews. It says it works with Works with Firefox 3.0 - 5.* This version
came out July 30, 2011.

I have no other solution nor have I found any substitute product or plug in
for it.

Sharyn


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Hurray! Webvisum is Back!

Gerald Levy
 

Great news, gang. I am extremely happy to report that Webvisum is up and running again. It's web site is back, and when you launch Firefox, you should hear the normal welcome message, "Alert,you are logged on to Webvisum". I verified that it works by submitting an image captcha from a test page,and Webvisum successfully decoded it. So it is not necessary to locate and modify the Hosts file to get it to work. Hopefully, Webvisum will continue to function for a long time to come. But if it ever does go away for good, at least it is reassuring to know that there are potential alternatives available like Rumola and Captcha Monster.

Gerald

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Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

Raymond Lombardi <ray214@...>
 

Very weird.


Re: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation

Dave Mitchell
 

Hi, Once again, Adrian has provided helpful and instructive detail in addition to Ed's suggestions.
I was familiar with the JAWS refresh and often apply it but the F5 key was a new one.
Of particular help was the Task Manager instructions outlined in his second suggestion.
How these things are discovered is beyond me but I surely appreciate the helpful advice. Happy Friday, Mitch in Arizona where it may only be 109 today. :-)
"Every great mistake has a halfway moment, a split second when it can be recalled and perhaps remedied."
Pearl S. Buck

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:09 AM
Subject: RE: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation


Mitch,

Once again, I'm posting to supplement Ed's excellent list of suggestions.
Note that my experience of JAWS 13 is superior to that of 12, so to each his
own, or rather, to each computer its own.

1. Ed suggests refreshing the page, by which I think he's referring to the
keystroke JAWS key+escape. It's a JAWS command and (speaking as an amateur)
resets JAWS's orientation to the screen. If that doesn't work, try F5, which
is a Windows command. Sometimes Windows will send an alert saying you risk
losing data, but most of the time you lose nothing by using this command. It
frequently works. (If I've confused Ed's point here, my apologies, but I
somehow lost his message just now. My point is simply to try both the JAWS
and the Windows commands.)

2. When you start having problems with the Internet, close IE and go to the
Windows task manager dialog with control+alt+delete. After a second or two,
a list of all your running applications appears. Press I until you encounter
"iexplore.exe." JAWS will tell you how much memory is in use. I often find
that when I've had Internet problems, this number is way over 100,000. Tab
twice to the button to end the program. You get a warning about losing data,
but IE is already closed, so you have nothing to lose. Note that I often
find more than one iexplore.exe in this dialog, and I end them all, one by
one.

3. Ed suggests shutting down JAWS. For me, this is a last resort. Other JAWS
users don't agree, but I feel that a few repetitions of closing JAWS still
leads to a deterioration in JAWS's performance. In addition to closing JAWS
in the ways Ed describes, I also end the JAWS application in the Windows
task manager dialog. Naturally, this means bringing JAWS back in order to
end it. Make sure you have a working shortcut to JAWS so that you can bring
it back a second time.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:23 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation

Hi, Your suggestions and those of Ed are helpful and instructive but upon
further review and experimentation, perhaps my frustration lies within the
vagaries of JAWS itself. For example, I have had recent success by closing
out a site when JAWS is maddeningly slow and then returning to the site for
a second try. I have no idea why JAWS misbehaves in the first place but
when the screen reader is working responsively, the navigation techniques
mentioned by you and Ed all produce results or relevant feedback. Go
figure. Mitch

"As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We
also know there are known unknowns. That is to say we know there are some
things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we
don't know we don't know." ~ Donald Rumsfeld [former Secretary of Defense
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation


Hi, Mitch.

Ed's list of navigation keys includes three I've never used and look
forward
to testing. I have a few suggestions along other lines.

Lately I've noticed a pattern where the article's header is followed by
one
or more groups of links. One group might be a list of Twitter and other
feeds. Another group might be a list of related items. With this in mind,
when I'm on an unfamiliar website, the first trick I try is to press h
until
I arrive at the heading for the article (typically the same heading as the
one for the entire page), then n (for skip group of links) one or more
times
until I land in text. It doesn't always work, but it does often enough to
make it a good first attempt.

On newspaper websites, there's often a "print" link that takes you to the
same article but on a less cluttered page. It has the added advantage of
placing the entire article on a single webpage instead of having it broken
up into two or more parts.

NFB Newsline makes available uncluttered versions of articles from
newspapers around the country. I found signing up for this service
annoying,
but NFB's customer service is helpful and, once the process is completed,
the service can be useful, though far from perfect.

This is how I now manage the New York Times, a paper that could take up my
entire day if I just relied on the NFB version. I subscribe to the NY
Times'
daily email in which they give you the headlines and one-sentence synopses
of that day's stories in as many sections as you choose, ranging from
politics to sports, business to the arts. Each headline contains a link to
the online article. The email service is useful because it tells you what
the Times' editors deem the most important three stories in each category.
However, I find it time-consuming to keep going online for each article
that
interests me. So I first load the NFB's copy of the Times into IE.
Whenever
the Times email alerts me to an article of interest, I go to the NFB
version, already loaded in IE, and search for the headline. This process
has
speeded up my reading of the Times considerably.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:59 AM
To: Jaws List
Subject: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation

Greetings: I am using the latest JAWS 13, Internet Explorer and XP Home.
As time goes by, it seems web sites of all types are getting more
cluttered
in an inverse proportion to my ability to quickly navigate them for the
relevant text.
I don't know what is happening on the screen and am wondering if others
have
tips or tricks to quickly find text while overcoming the sluggishness of
JAWS.
The only quick navigation key I use and one that often worked well in the
past was the 'N' key. Perhaps other impediments such as flash, etc. may
be
at work here but it's all guess work for me.
I cannot at the moment list a specific web site for you all but, as I
mentioned, it seems that most newspaper sites are becoming tedious and
hopefully others have some hints for me to try.
Thanks for reading, Mitch
"With the possible exception of the equator, everything begins somewhere."
Peter Robert Fleming


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