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Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

cecropia64
 

FUNNY THING IS THAT THEY NEVER LET ANYBODY KNOW THAT THEY MIGHTT NOT BE COMING BACK. I KNOW IT'S A FREEBIE, BUT YOU'D THINK THEY'D LET A USER KNOW. ALSO, IF THEY WERE ALWAYS HURTING FOR MONEY, WHY NOT SELL WEB VISUM TO SOMEBODY WHO WANTED TO CONTINUE? JUST A THOUGHT.

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From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?


I find that very interesting because whenever I start Firefox I get a
webvisum login error, and as was stated by the OP the webvisum domain
is now expired (if you go to webvisum.com you get a godaddy
placeholder page).

On 6/20/12, Raymond Lombardi <ray214@gmail.com> wrote:

Web vism is still active. I still use it.


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Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

Soronel Haetir
 

I find that very interesting because whenever I start Firefox I get a
webvisum login error, and as was stated by the OP the webvisum domain
is now expired (if you go to webvisum.com you get a godaddy
placeholder page).

On 6/20/12, Raymond Lombardi <ray214@gmail.com> wrote:

Web vism is still active. I still use it.


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Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

lauren
 

I have noticed that to over the last few months. maybe it has something to do with the audio captias on most of the sites?


Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

Lisa Larges
 

Hi all,
Lately I've noticed that there is a new version of the audio captcha; it has
a different voice set against the muffled background noise. I have a
extremely difficult time understanding this new voice; to me it is very
indistinct. It could be that it is just set at a frequency that I can't hear
as well.
I'm wondering if others have noticed this change, and whether others are
also having a difficult time with it?

And, I still come across captcha fields with no audio or other alternatives.

I know we're beginning to stray off topic here, but to me there very
related. It seems like this is a good list to pose such questions too.
Lisa

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

The final breakdown of webvisum is fairly recent (within the last couple
weeks), if not even closer to the present. Solona has been gone for quite
awhile (at least a year, possibly even two by now).

On 6/20/12, Kane Brolin <kbrolin65@gmail.com> wrote:
Lately I've had fewer problems with the dreaded CAPTCHA than I used to
have, given that more and more sites are building in a form of audible
solution. But recently, while attempting to fill out an e-mail form
in Internet Explorer, I ran across a purely visual CAPTCHA that
prevented me from sending the message. Having used Firefox with
Webvisum previously, I installed Firefox and then installed the
Webvisum add-on--only to find that Webvisum.com is now an inactive
domain and that there is no server at the other end of the equation to
help us solve visual CAPTCHA through this tool.l. Then, to my true
dismay, I looked for Solona and found that this service appears to be
down as well, its domain inactive and for sale.

What have I missed? Maybe I am channeling the spirit of Rip Van
Winkel and have slept through several years. Why are these services
down? Has anything replaced them? or have I just picked a bad night
to do this? As recently as February of 2012, I've noted listserv
entries that make casual reference to Solona and Webvisum.

Thanks to all for any enlightenment you can provide.

Kind regards,

-Kane

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Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

Soronel Haetir
 

The final breakdown of webvisum is fairly recent (within the last
couple weeks), if not even closer to the present. Solona has been
gone for quite awhile (at least a year, possibly even two by now).

On 6/20/12, Kane Brolin <kbrolin65@gmail.com> wrote:
Lately I've had fewer problems with the dreaded CAPTCHA than I used to
have, given that more and more sites are building in a form of audible
solution. But recently, while attempting to fill out an e-mail form
in Internet Explorer, I ran across a purely visual CAPTCHA that
prevented me from sending the message. Having used Firefox with
Webvisum previously, I installed Firefox and then installed the
Webvisum add-on--only to find that Webvisum.com is now an inactive
domain and that there is no server at the other end of the equation to
help us solve visual CAPTCHA through this tool.l. Then, to my true
dismay, I looked for Solona and found that this service appears to be
down as well, its domain inactive and for sale.

What have I missed? Maybe I am channeling the spirit of Rip Van
Winkel and have slept through several years. Why are these services
down? Has anything replaced them? or have I just picked a bad night
to do this? As recently as February of 2012, I've noted listserv
entries that make casual reference to Solona and Webvisum.

Thanks to all for any enlightenment you can provide.

Kind regards,

-Kane

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Re: What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

Raymond Lombardi <ray214@...>
 

Web vism is still active. I still use it.


What Happened To Popular CAPTCHA Solving Tools?

Kane Brolin
 

Lately I've had fewer problems with the dreaded CAPTCHA than I used to
have, given that more and more sites are building in a form of audible
solution. But recently, while attempting to fill out an e-mail form
in Internet Explorer, I ran across a purely visual CAPTCHA that
prevented me from sending the message. Having used Firefox with
Webvisum previously, I installed Firefox and then installed the
Webvisum add-on--only to find that Webvisum.com is now an inactive
domain and that there is no server at the other end of the equation to
help us solve visual CAPTCHA through this tool.l. Then, to my true
dismay, I looked for Solona and found that this service appears to be
down as well, its domain inactive and for sale.

What have I missed? Maybe I am channeling the spirit of Rip Van
Winkel and have slept through several years. Why are these services
down? Has anything replaced them? or have I just picked a bad night
to do this? As recently as February of 2012, I've noted listserv
entries that make casual reference to Solona and Webvisum.

Thanks to all for any enlightenment you can provide.

Kind regards,

-Kane


Re: JAWS with EMRs

Dave...
 

George,

Yes, I've hit that decade, and bought a truck. Post-Mid-life crisis?

Now duck and cover -- here comes James.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "George B" <gbmagoo@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 15:45
Subject: RE: JAWS with EMRs


going 60 cool when you going to start the truck???

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Going 60
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 15:44
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS with EMRs

Very unlikely that scripts are made, unless they have been written by a
third-party company specifically for that application. I suggest you
confer
with Freedom Scientific directly to ask the question. Has your client
had a
chance to try JAWS on this application out of the box?


Freedom Scientific 727 803-8600


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 14:53
Subject: JAWS with EMRs


I am working with a person who is trying to use JAWS 12 with an
'electronic
medical record' program made by Connect Tech. Is anyone familiar with
this?
Are there scripts already made? Any information would be helpful.
Thank you.

Pamela White ATP
Assistive Technology Professional
Opportunity Enterprises
JobSource Department
56 S. Valparaiso, IN 46383
219-510-5330 Ext. 339
FAX: 219-707-5718
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Re: JAWS with EMRs

Kimsan Song <kimsansong@...>
 

Now we have a chat room? :) just picking on ya George!

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of George B
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:45 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS with EMRs

going 60 cool when you going to start the truck???

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Going 60
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 15:44
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS with EMRs

Very unlikely that scripts are made, unless they have been written by
a third-party company specifically for that application. I suggest you
confer with Freedom Scientific directly to ask the question. Has your
client had a chance to try JAWS on this application out of the box?


Freedom Scientific 727 803-8600


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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From: "Pamela White" <Pamela.White@oppent.org>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 14:53
Subject: JAWS with EMRs


I am working with a person who is trying to use JAWS 12 with an
'electronic medical record' program made by Connect Tech. Is anyone
familiar with this?
Are there scripts already made? Any information would be helpful.
Thank you.

Pamela White ATP
Assistive Technology Professional
Opportunity Enterprises
JobSource Department
56 S. Valparaiso, IN 46383
219-510-5330 Ext. 339
FAX: 219-707-5718
pamela.white@oppent.org<mailto:pamela.white@oppent.org>


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Re: JAWS with EMRs

George B
 

going 60 cool when you going to start the truck???

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar Going 60
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 15:44
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS with EMRs

Very unlikely that scripts are made, unless they have been written by a
third-party company specifically for that application. I suggest you
confer
with Freedom Scientific directly to ask the question. Has your client
had a
chance to try JAWS on this application out of the box?


Freedom Scientific 727 803-8600


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela White" <Pamela.White@oppent.org>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 14:53
Subject: JAWS with EMRs


I am working with a person who is trying to use JAWS 12 with an
'electronic
medical record' program made by Connect Tech. Is anyone familiar with
this?
Are there scripts already made? Any information would be helpful.
Thank you.

Pamela White ATP
Assistive Technology Professional
Opportunity Enterprises
JobSource Department
56 S. Valparaiso, IN 46383
219-510-5330 Ext. 339
FAX: 219-707-5718
pamela.white@oppent.org<mailto:pamela.white@oppent.org>


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Re: JAWS with EMRs

Dave...
 

Very unlikely that scripts are made, unless they have been written by a
third-party company specifically for that application. I suggest you confer
with Freedom Scientific directly to ask the question. Has your client had a
chance to try JAWS on this application out of the box?


Freedom Scientific 727 803-8600


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

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From: "Pamela White" <Pamela.White@oppent.org>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 14:53
Subject: JAWS with EMRs


I am working with a person who is trying to use JAWS 12 with an 'electronic
medical record' program made by Connect Tech. Is anyone familiar with this?
Are there scripts already made? Any information would be helpful.
Thank you.

Pamela White ATP
Assistive Technology Professional
Opportunity Enterprises
JobSource Department
56 S. Valparaiso, IN 46383
219-510-5330 Ext. 339
FAX: 219-707-5718
pamela.white@oppent.org<mailto:pamela.white@oppent.org>


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JAWS with EMRs

Pamela White <Pamela.White@...>
 

I am working with a person who is trying to use JAWS 12 with an 'electronic medical record' program made by Connect Tech. Is anyone familiar with this? Are there scripts already made? Any information would be helpful.
Thank you.

Pamela White ATP
Assistive Technology Professional
Opportunity Enterprises
JobSource Department
56 S. Valparaiso, IN 46383
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Re: email

Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
 

Thanks. It work.

-----Original Message-----
From: David
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:04 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: email



Hello try;

1, go to users/my documents, create a new folder called, WindowsLiveMail

2, open WLm,
And shift+tab to the
Top of the folders,

3, alt+f,
Down arrow until you hear;
Export email sub menu, press enter or right arrow to open, and choose
Messages.
You now will see a screen;
Select the format you want to export email to.
Choose Microsoft windows mail.
Tab next press enter.
Now you will see/hear;
Please select a folder to store the exported messages:

4, now tab to browse,

Press enter,
Now you need to choose your newly created WLM folder, And then go to next.
You now will see a screen;
Windows Live Mail Export
Select Folders
Select the message folders that you would like to export to Windows Live
Mail.
Here you choose,
All folders,
Or you could choose one folder,
Tab next,
The export process will begin.
The messages/files will be placed into the new folder yu created.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 12:55 AM
To: JFW
Subject: email

Hi, all
Using jaws 13 and WLM. I have a folder with several emails that I would like
to copy to an external hard drive. Can I do so? If so, how?

Holger Fiallo
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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Dave...
 

Late? Not at all. It's still 2012. You have up to a year, month, and a day
to respond. OF course the originator may have moved on to other topics -- or
lists, or countries.

Dave Carlson
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Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 07:01
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


Hi Richard,
This is a late response. I first started to learn to type on an old manual
typewriter when I was about your daughter's age fifty years ago. At thattime
my classroom had a Braille book with a prototype of a keyboard showing
keys with Braille labels that was part of the Braille book. I memorized the
keyboard and my average typing speed on a typewriter is about 60-70 WPM. If
your daughter is going to be proficient she needs to learn proper fingering
and memorization. This is the same method that professional sighted
stenographers and typists have used for years. Of course, at that time while
use of Braille was encouraged for totally blind children it was also
expected that blind children learned how to adapt and used standard whenever
possible. hope this helps.
Chuck
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 11:02 AM
Subject: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


I am a typically sighted parent of a blind child (age 9). I interact with
many other parents of blind children and could use some advice for my child
and to share with other parents.

My daughter was effectively born blind having lost all usable vision by a
few months of age. She learned braille from the start and learned to type
on a perkins brailler first, then started to learn qwerty. She much
prefers to use a braille keyboard on her computer and notetaker (Apex) as
well, keeping a qwerety keyboard plugged in on her computer for occasional
use for certain keys and functions.

My question is this: What is the best way for a blind typist to learn to
use a qwerty keyboard; to do this most efficiently? Is it using JAWS
feedback with the repeating of characters verbally as typed? What about
the braille key caps, or at least braille stickers for keys? (I have never
yet found a USB braille key capped keyboard, only an old PS-2 style unit)
I get that touch typing and just pressing down on braille key caps would
be of little use braille-wise, but is is like for sighted typists, in that
it helps get reoriented when your fingers move or you get distracted,
etc., and just to learn qwerty in the beginning? It would be easy enough
to remove the braille and go with a standard keyboard later on--
conventional keyboards are cheap.

What we end up with as parents is an argument between (mostly
typically-sighted) parents that braille caps are a great idea vs. how bad
of an idea they are to use. I'm not trying to sit in either camp-- I'm
wondering which seems to help (and curious about any suggestions of the
best ways to learn qwerty typing without vision).

I don't want to clog up the list too much with this, though it is
JAWS-related, obviously. Please do feel free to reply directly if you
prefer. Your response may be valuable to quite a few parents of younger,
keyboard-learning braille computer users, so thanks for any experience you
may be able to share.

Richard
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Re: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation

Adrian Spratt
 

Mitch,

Once again, I'm posting to supplement Ed's excellent list of suggestions.
Note that my experience of JAWS 13 is superior to that of 12, so to each his
own, or rather, to each computer its own.

1. Ed suggests refreshing the page, by which I think he's referring to the
keystroke JAWS key+escape. It's a JAWS command and (speaking as an amateur)
resets JAWS's orientation to the screen. If that doesn't work, try F5, which
is a Windows command. Sometimes Windows will send an alert saying you risk
losing data, but most of the time you lose nothing by using this command. It
frequently works. (If I've confused Ed's point here, my apologies, but I
somehow lost his message just now. My point is simply to try both the JAWS
and the Windows commands.)

2. When you start having problems with the Internet, close IE and go to the
Windows task manager dialog with control+alt+delete. After a second or two,
a list of all your running applications appears. Press I until you encounter
"iexplore.exe." JAWS will tell you how much memory is in use. I often find
that when I've had Internet problems, this number is way over 100,000. Tab
twice to the button to end the program. You get a warning about losing data,
but IE is already closed, so you have nothing to lose. Note that I often
find more than one iexplore.exe in this dialog, and I end them all, one by
one.

3. Ed suggests shutting down JAWS. For me, this is a last resort. Other JAWS
users don't agree, but I feel that a few repetitions of closing JAWS still
leads to a deterioration in JAWS's performance. In addition to closing JAWS
in the ways Ed describes, I also end the JAWS application in the Windows
task manager dialog. Naturally, this means bringing JAWS back in order to
end it. Make sure you have a working shortcut to JAWS so that you can bring
it back a second time.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:23 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation

Hi, Your suggestions and those of Ed are helpful and instructive but upon
further review and experimentation, perhaps my frustration lies within the
vagaries of JAWS itself. For example, I have had recent success by closing
out a site when JAWS is maddeningly slow and then returning to the site for
a second try. I have no idea why JAWS misbehaves in the first place but
when the screen reader is working responsively, the navigation techniques
mentioned by you and Ed all produce results or relevant feedback. Go
figure. Mitch

"As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We
also know there are known unknowns. That is to say we know there are some
things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we
don't know we don't know." ~ Donald Rumsfeld [former Secretary of Defense
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation


Hi, Mitch.

Ed's list of navigation keys includes three I've never used and look
forward
to testing. I have a few suggestions along other lines.

Lately I've noticed a pattern where the article's header is followed by
one
or more groups of links. One group might be a list of Twitter and other
feeds. Another group might be a list of related items. With this in mind,
when I'm on an unfamiliar website, the first trick I try is to press h
until
I arrive at the heading for the article (typically the same heading as the
one for the entire page), then n (for skip group of links) one or more
times
until I land in text. It doesn't always work, but it does often enough to
make it a good first attempt.

On newspaper websites, there's often a "print" link that takes you to the
same article but on a less cluttered page. It has the added advantage of
placing the entire article on a single webpage instead of having it broken
up into two or more parts.

NFB Newsline makes available uncluttered versions of articles from
newspapers around the country. I found signing up for this service
annoying,
but NFB's customer service is helpful and, once the process is completed,
the service can be useful, though far from perfect.

This is how I now manage the New York Times, a paper that could take up my
entire day if I just relied on the NFB version. I subscribe to the NY
Times'
daily email in which they give you the headlines and one-sentence synopses
of that day's stories in as many sections as you choose, ranging from
politics to sports, business to the arts. Each headline contains a link to
the online article. The email service is useful because it tells you what
the Times' editors deem the most important three stories in each category.
However, I find it time-consuming to keep going online for each article
that
interests me. So I first load the NFB's copy of the Times into IE.
Whenever
the Times email alerts me to an article of interest, I go to the NFB
version, already loaded in IE, and search for the headline. This process
has
speeded up my reading of the Times considerably.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:59 AM
To: Jaws List
Subject: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation

Greetings: I am using the latest JAWS 13, Internet Explorer and XP Home.
As time goes by, it seems web sites of all types are getting more
cluttered
in an inverse proportion to my ability to quickly navigate them for the
relevant text.
I don't know what is happening on the screen and am wondering if others
have
tips or tricks to quickly find text while overcoming the sluggishness of
JAWS.
The only quick navigation key I use and one that often worked well in the
past was the 'N' key. Perhaps other impediments such as flash, etc. may
be
at work here but it's all guess work for me.
I cannot at the moment list a specific web site for you all but, as I
mentioned, it seems that most newspaper sites are becoming tedious and
hopefully others have some hints for me to try.
Thanks for reading, Mitch
"With the possible exception of the equator, everything begins somewhere."
Peter Robert Fleming


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Re: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard

Charles Krugman
 

Hi Richard,
This is a late response. I first started to learn to type on an old manual typewriter when I was about your daughter's age fifty years ago. At thattime my classroom had a Braille book with a prototype of a keyboard showing keys with Braille labels that was part of the Braille book. I memorized the keyboard and my average typing speed on a typewriter is about 60-70 WPM. If your daughter is going to be proficient she needs to learn proper fingering and memorization. This is the same method that professional sighted stenographers and typists have used for years. Of course, at that time while use of Braille was encouraged for totally blind children it was also expected that blind children learned how to adapt and used standard whenever possible. hope this helps.
Chuck

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 11:02 AM
Subject: Learning Jaws and the Keyboard


I am a typically sighted parent of a blind child (age 9). I interact with many other parents of blind children and could use some advice for my child and to share with other parents.

My daughter was effectively born blind having lost all usable vision by a few months of age. She learned braille from the start and learned to type on a perkins brailler first, then started to learn qwerty. She much prefers to use a braille keyboard on her computer and notetaker (Apex) as well, keeping a qwerety keyboard plugged in on her computer for occasional use for certain keys and functions.

My question is this: What is the best way for a blind typist to learn to use a qwerty keyboard; to do this most efficiently? Is it using JAWS feedback with the repeating of characters verbally as typed? What about the braille key caps, or at least braille stickers for keys? (I have never yet found a USB braille key capped keyboard, only an old PS-2 style unit) I get that touch typing and just pressing down on braille key caps would be of little use braille-wise, but is is like for sighted typists, in that it helps get reoriented when your fingers move or you get distracted, etc., and just to learn qwerty in the beginning? It would be easy enough to remove the braille and go with a standard keyboard later on-- conventional keyboards are cheap.

What we end up with as parents is an argument between (mostly typically-sighted) parents that braille caps are a great idea vs. how bad of an idea they are to use. I'm not trying to sit in either camp-- I'm wondering which seems to help (and curious about any suggestions of the best ways to learn qwerty typing without vision).

I don't want to clog up the list too much with this, though it is JAWS-related, obviously. Please do feel free to reply directly if you prefer. Your response may be valuable to quite a few parents of younger, keyboard-learning braille computer users, so thanks for any experience you may be able to share.

Richard
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Re: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation

Dave...
 

Mitch,

Yes, go figure is correct. JAWS 13 is notorious for bogging down for me, as
well. About once per day I usually end up removing (killing) JAWS and
reloading to get the brain-freeze to stop.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Mitchell" <mitch@orbitelcom.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 06:23
Subject: Re: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation


Hi, Your suggestions and those of Ed are helpful and instructive but upon
further review and experimentation, perhaps my frustration lies within the
vagaries of JAWS itself. For example, I have had recent success by closing
out a site when JAWS is maddeningly slow and then returning to the site for
a second try. I have no idea why JAWS misbehaves in the first place but
when the screen reader is working responsively, the navigation techniques
mentioned by you and Ed all produce results or relevant feedback. Go
figure. Mitch

"As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We
also know there are known unknowns. That is to say we know there are some
things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we
don't know we don't know." ~ Donald Rumsfeld [former Secretary of Defense
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation


Hi, Mitch.

Ed's list of navigation keys includes three I've never used and look
forward
to testing. I have a few suggestions along other lines.

Lately I've noticed a pattern where the article's header is followed by
one
or more groups of links. One group might be a list of Twitter and other
feeds. Another group might be a list of related items. With this in mind,
when I'm on an unfamiliar website, the first trick I try is to press h
until
I arrive at the heading for the article (typically the same heading as the
one for the entire page), then n (for skip group of links) one or more
times
until I land in text. It doesn't always work, but it does often enough to
make it a good first attempt.

On newspaper websites, there's often a "print" link that takes you to the
same article but on a less cluttered page. It has the added advantage of
placing the entire article on a single webpage instead of having it broken
up into two or more parts.

NFB Newsline makes available uncluttered versions of articles from
newspapers around the country. I found signing up for this service
annoying,
but NFB's customer service is helpful and, once the process is completed,
the service can be useful, though far from perfect.

This is how I now manage the New York Times, a paper that could take up my
entire day if I just relied on the NFB version. I subscribe to the NY
Times'
daily email in which they give you the headlines and one-sentence synopses
of that day's stories in as many sections as you choose, ranging from
politics to sports, business to the arts. Each headline contains a link to
the online article. The email service is useful because it tells you what
the Times' editors deem the most important three stories in each category.
However, I find it time-consuming to keep going online for each article
that
interests me. So I first load the NFB's copy of the Times into IE.
Whenever
the Times email alerts me to an article of interest, I go to the NFB
version, already loaded in IE, and search for the headline. This process
has
speeded up my reading of the Times considerably.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:59 AM
To: Jaws List
Subject: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation

Greetings: I am using the latest JAWS 13, Internet Explorer and XP Home.
As time goes by, it seems web sites of all types are getting more
cluttered
in an inverse proportion to my ability to quickly navigate them for the
relevant text.
I don't know what is happening on the screen and am wondering if others
have
tips or tricks to quickly find text while overcoming the sluggishness of
JAWS.
The only quick navigation key I use and one that often worked well in the
past was the 'N' key. Perhaps other impediments such as flash, etc. may
be
at work here but it's all guess work for me.
I cannot at the moment list a specific web site for you all but, as I
mentioned, it seems that most newspaper sites are becoming tedious and
hopefully others have some hints for me to try.
Thanks for reading, Mitch
"With the possible exception of the equator, everything begins somewhere."
Peter Robert Fleming


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Re: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Mitch:
I hear you loud and clear. I think we all share some of those frustrations.
I don't think there is an obvious fix, and closing out the site and coming back may be as good as any.
Other things I've tried include:
1. Going back to JAWS 12 from 13. I don't want to get started on that one, but there are at least 100 other reasons to do that.
2. Refresh the screen. Sometimes JAWS won't recognize tables and other features without a screen refresh.
3. Unload JAWS and fire it up again. You can do it with insert plus F-4; however (and this may be more superstition than anything else), but unloading JAWS with control plus windows plus F-4 then followed by a restart of JAWS seems to produce a little snappier instance of JAWS when I restart.
There are so many variables at work that I'm not sure there is a consistent culprit: e.g., bandwidth at the moment, the browser, the Website server, your computer and other processes running, JAWS, the browser itself, the Website, and ...

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:23 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation

Hi, Your suggestions and those of Ed are helpful and instructive but upon
further review and experimentation, perhaps my frustration lies within the
vagaries of JAWS itself. For example, I have had recent success by closing
out a site when JAWS is maddeningly slow and then returning to the site for
a second try. I have no idea why JAWS misbehaves in the first place but
when the screen reader is working responsively, the navigation techniques
mentioned by you and Ed all produce results or relevant feedback. Go
figure. Mitch

"As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We
also know there are known unknowns. That is to say we know there are some
things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we
don't know we don't know." ~ Donald Rumsfeld [former Secretary of Defense
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation


Hi, Mitch.

Ed's list of navigation keys includes three I've never used and look
forward
to testing. I have a few suggestions along other lines.

Lately I've noticed a pattern where the article's header is followed by
one
or more groups of links. One group might be a list of Twitter and other
feeds. Another group might be a list of related items. With this in mind,
when I'm on an unfamiliar website, the first trick I try is to press h
until
I arrive at the heading for the article (typically the same heading as the
one for the entire page), then n (for skip group of links) one or more
times
until I land in text. It doesn't always work, but it does often enough to
make it a good first attempt.

On newspaper websites, there's often a "print" link that takes you to the
same article but on a less cluttered page. It has the added advantage of
placing the entire article on a single webpage instead of having it broken
up into two or more parts.

NFB Newsline makes available uncluttered versions of articles from
newspapers around the country. I found signing up for this service
annoying,
but NFB's customer service is helpful and, once the process is completed,
the service can be useful, though far from perfect.

This is how I now manage the New York Times, a paper that could take up my
entire day if I just relied on the NFB version. I subscribe to the NY
Times'
daily email in which they give you the headlines and one-sentence synopses
of that day's stories in as many sections as you choose, ranging from
politics to sports, business to the arts. Each headline contains a link to
the online article. The email service is useful because it tells you what
the Times' editors deem the most important three stories in each category.
However, I find it time-consuming to keep going online for each article
that
interests me. So I first load the NFB's copy of the Times into IE.
Whenever
the Times email alerts me to an article of interest, I go to the NFB
version, already loaded in IE, and search for the headline. This process
has
speeded up my reading of the Times considerably.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:59 AM
To: Jaws List
Subject: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation

Greetings: I am using the latest JAWS 13, Internet Explorer and XP Home.
As time goes by, it seems web sites of all types are getting more
cluttered
in an inverse proportion to my ability to quickly navigate them for the
relevant text.
I don't know what is happening on the screen and am wondering if others
have
tips or tricks to quickly find text while overcoming the sluggishness of
JAWS.
The only quick navigation key I use and one that often worked well in the
past was the 'N' key. Perhaps other impediments such as flash, etc. may
be
at work here but it's all guess work for me.
I cannot at the moment list a specific web site for you all but, as I
mentioned, it seems that most newspaper sites are becoming tedious and
hopefully others have some hints for me to try.
Thanks for reading, Mitch
"With the possible exception of the equator, everything begins somewhere."
Peter Robert Fleming


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Re: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation

Dave Mitchell
 

Hi, Your suggestions and those of Ed are helpful and instructive but upon further review and experimentation, perhaps my frustration lies within the vagaries of JAWS itself. For example, I have had recent success by closing out a site when JAWS is maddeningly slow and then returning to the site for a second try. I have no idea why JAWS misbehaves in the first place but when the screen reader is working responsively, the navigation techniques mentioned by you and Ed all produce results or relevant feedback. Go figure. Mitch

"As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We
also know there are known unknowns. That is to say we know there are some
things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we
don't know we don't know." ~ Donald Rumsfeld [former Secretary of Defense

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation


Hi, Mitch.

Ed's list of navigation keys includes three I've never used and look forward
to testing. I have a few suggestions along other lines.

Lately I've noticed a pattern where the article's header is followed by one
or more groups of links. One group might be a list of Twitter and other
feeds. Another group might be a list of related items. With this in mind,
when I'm on an unfamiliar website, the first trick I try is to press h until
I arrive at the heading for the article (typically the same heading as the
one for the entire page), then n (for skip group of links) one or more times
until I land in text. It doesn't always work, but it does often enough to
make it a good first attempt.

On newspaper websites, there's often a "print" link that takes you to the
same article but on a less cluttered page. It has the added advantage of
placing the entire article on a single webpage instead of having it broken
up into two or more parts.

NFB Newsline makes available uncluttered versions of articles from
newspapers around the country. I found signing up for this service annoying,
but NFB's customer service is helpful and, once the process is completed,
the service can be useful, though far from perfect.

This is how I now manage the New York Times, a paper that could take up my
entire day if I just relied on the NFB version. I subscribe to the NY Times'
daily email in which they give you the headlines and one-sentence synopses
of that day's stories in as many sections as you choose, ranging from
politics to sports, business to the arts. Each headline contains a link to
the online article. The email service is useful because it tells you what
the Times' editors deem the most important three stories in each category.
However, I find it time-consuming to keep going online for each article that
interests me. So I first load the NFB's copy of the Times into IE. Whenever
the Times email alerts me to an article of interest, I go to the NFB
version, already loaded in IE, and search for the headline. This process has
speeded up my reading of the Times considerably.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:59 AM
To: Jaws List
Subject: JAWS 13 & Web Site Navigation

Greetings: I am using the latest JAWS 13, Internet Explorer and XP Home.
As time goes by, it seems web sites of all types are getting more cluttered
in an inverse proportion to my ability to quickly navigate them for the
relevant text.
I don't know what is happening on the screen and am wondering if others have
tips or tricks to quickly find text while overcoming the sluggishness of
JAWS.
The only quick navigation key I use and one that often worked well in the
past was the 'N' key. Perhaps other impediments such as flash, etc. may be
at work here but it's all guess work for me.
I cannot at the moment list a specific web site for you all but, as I
mentioned, it seems that most newspaper sites are becoming tedious and
hopefully others have some hints for me to try.
Thanks for reading, Mitch
"With the possible exception of the equator, everything begins somewhere."
Peter Robert Fleming


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Re: email

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello try;

1, go to users/my documents, create a new folder called, WindowsLiveMail

2, open WLm,
And shift+tab to the
Top of the folders,

3, alt+f,
Down arrow until you hear;
Export email sub menu, press enter or right arrow to open, and choose
Messages.
You now will see a screen;
Select the format you want to export email to.
Choose Microsoft windows mail.
Tab next press enter.
Now you will see/hear;
Please select a folder to store the exported messages:

4, now tab to browse,

Press enter,
Now you need to choose your newly created WLM folder, And then go to next.
You now will see a screen;
Windows Live Mail Export
Select Folders
Select the message folders that you would like to export to Windows Live
Mail.
Here you choose,
All folders,
Or you could choose one folder,
Tab next,
The export process will begin.
The messages/files will be placed into the new folder yu created.

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On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 12:55 AM
To: JFW
Subject: email

Hi, all
Using jaws 13 and WLM. I have a folder with several emails that I would like
to copy to an external hard drive. Can I do so? If so, how?

Holger Fiallo
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