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Re: security

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I'm not sure how seriously MSE is taken in the antivirus community; it doesn't even rate on a lot of lists, but AVG still gets high marks, though I must add, not as much as they used to.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: security


Great! And is it reliable?


In a message dated 7/26/2011 10:15:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
adikushnir@... writes:

No, the Microsoft and AVG are all anti-viruses as well.

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On Behalf Of Rouillardmike@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:11 PM
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Subject: Re: security

I thought it only protected against malware?


In a message dated 7/26/2011 10:09:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
james@... writes:

Microsoft Security Escentials. Meets all of your requirements, and well,
doesn't bust your system in several different places. Just a thought.

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Subject: security

Hi,
I'm running windows 7 and jaws 12. I'm looking for a free accessible
comprehensive security program that blocks viruses, spyware, etc. Any
suggestions?
Thanks!
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Re: security

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

The only way to find out if it's really better is to test it against actual viruses and malicious programmes. Many people use it; it wouldn't hurt you to try out the programme for yourself and see if you like it. Always remember that there are lots of alternatives available, and that's almost always a good thing....

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From: "Mike Mote" <mikemote@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: security


Is Microsoft Security Essentials better than Avast, or does it really replace a Virus protection program. I've heard good and bad things about it, and have considered putting it on my system.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <james@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: security


Microsoft Security Escentials. Meets all of your requirements, and well,
doesn't bust your system in several different places. Just a thought.

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On Behalf Of Rouillardmike@...
Sent: July 26, 2011 9:38 AM
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Subject: security

Hi,
I'm running windows 7 and jaws 12. I'm looking for a free accessible
comprehensive security program that blocks viruses, spyware, etc. Any
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Thanks!
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Re: Yahoo's New Inbox

Charles Krugman
 

I have always found that it slows me down as JAWS reads too much of the garbage on the web page with a web based program. I have been very satisfied first with Outlook Express and now Windowsmail and will most likely use the adaptations when I upgrade to Win7.
Chuck

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Yahoo's New Inbox


You can have Yahoo just send posts to your regular email client, by the way.
I've never liked dealing with email through a Web interface, on Hotmail, or anywhere else really. I guess that makes me old-fashioned.


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Re: security

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

My two cents: I wouldn't use Mcafee, though it is certainly jaws-friendly enough it's expensive and doesn't really do what a lot of the cheaper alternatives do. It also failed spectacularly to clean a piece of malware off my work computer, though it detected it upon every bootup..malwarebytes solved the problem and has generally been invaluable to me, so I would use that in combination with avast, or maybe AVG, though the latter seems to be getting weird lately. Eset and mod32 are also highly rated, though I have yet to try those out. One antivirus, and one antimalware/spyware is all you need...never run more than one of each if they're going to be operating in memory.



I would use Malwarebytes in combination with something like Avast, or maybe AVG

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ambrose" <ambroselh@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: security


I use Mcafee and if you put it in the task tray it is very accessible and
works great, trend micro was a nightmare, so don't go there , but windows
defender worked well and didn't cost anything like mcafee

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adi Kushnir
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:41 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: security

Hi,htmare so don't go there and I don't know if it is in Microsoft security
essentials , but windows defender worked really well too
I recommend Microsoft Security esencials - just google it.

With best regards,

Adi Kushnir, Israel.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Rouillardmike@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 4:38 PM
To: jfw@...
Subject: security

Hi,
I'm running windows 7 and jaws 12. I'm looking for a free accessible
comprehensive security program that blocks viruses, spyware, etc. Any
suggestions?
Thanks!
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Re: Putting your response first, was: security

Rose Combs <rosecombs@...>
 

I have to agree with putting the response first, I usually skip any message
that reads me stuff I have read before, unless I was the one asking the
question or if the answer is so important that I have to see it.


Rose Combs
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On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:54 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Putting your response first, was: Re: security

At 03:16 PM 7/26/2011, you wrote:
I would like to request putting your response at the top of the reply
rather than under the original message. This way I don't have to read
through the original post again before reading your thoughts.
Ok. I'll try to do so. Most sighted people like it the other way, so I'll
adapt depending to which list I am posting.



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Re: Web browsers

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

The latest version? I thought that didn't work too well? They're at version 5 now, with 6 on the way; considering that even 4 is fairly new I think they're throwing them at users far too quickly, and all of a sudden...better to stick with the version that you know works, in this case, probably version 4.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Scrimenti" <dscrimenti@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Web browsers


Get the latest Firefox. I don't think the other 2 are accessible, but haven't personally tried.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@...>
To: "Jaws" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:07 AM
Subject: Web browsers


Hi all i'm using windows 7 and jaws 11. I'm looking in to trying different web browsers. 1. I know that firefox is accessible but which version works best with jaws 11. 2. Is safari at all accessible and if so, also which version? 3. Is opera accessible? Thanks in advance.


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Re: Putting your response first, was: security

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

A bit off topic (though not completely), but the old (read, pre-mass-market-internet) accepted standard seemed to be to put your response after the message to which you were replying, but the current majority preference seems to be the reverse. That said, quoting specific parts of a message to which you intend to respond is a nice habit to get into, though it's hardly necessary for non-technical lists where there's really neither much debate or jargon, like this one.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Putting your response first, was: Re: security


At 03:16 PM 7/26/2011, you wrote:
I would like to request putting your response at the top of the reply rather than under the original message. This way I don't have to read through the original post again before reading your thoughts.
Ok. I'll try to do so. Most sighted people like it the other way, so I'll adapt depending to which list I am posting.



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Re: security

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

That's good to know Dave. I've heard plenty of conflicting things about Avast myself but not given it a try yet. Currently trying out Avira. It seems ok but the notifications that pop up every now and then are completely unreadable, which is an irritant to be sure...so I may switch yet.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: security


It is really funny you should have heard that about Avast because, I have it on my system and I had no problems navigating any of the tab pages nor choosing how to set the choices under any of the Settings options.

At first, I did have a problem in turning off the Sand Box feature but, with a little perseverance, I did manage to turn it off.

Well, I suppose some of us do not give up at the first hurdle

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: security


Hello there;
It's my understanding that the latest version of avast isn't screen reader
friendly.



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:42 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: security

Avast is highly inaccessible, I've found. That, and it's a little bit too
jumpy for my tastes. Often recognizes things as infections that, well,
aren't. Including components of a competing screenreader that was removed
for another reason.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: July-26-11 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: security

Is Microsoft Security Essentials better than Avast, or does it really
replace a Virus protection program. I've heard good and bad things about
it, and have considered putting it on my system.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <james@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: security


Microsoft Security Escentials. Meets all of your requirements, and
well, doesn't bust your system in several different places. Just a
thought.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Rouillardmike@...
Sent: July 26, 2011 9:38 AM
To: jfw@...
Subject: security

Hi,
I'm running windows 7 and jaws 12. I'm looking for a free accessible
comprehensive security program that blocks viruses, spyware, etc. Any
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Thanks!
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Re: Putting your response first, was: security

Dave Scrimenti <dscrimenti@...>
 

That was really funny when I read the first message you sent saying you would put your response at the top, while actually putting it underneath. By the way, nothing scientific, but I did ask a few sighted people, and they generally preferred the response first as well. My cousin said that if he asked a number of questions in an email, he'd like the answers inside the original email to make it clear what answer goes with what question, which I agree with. But in most other cases, he'd prefer getting right to the response.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <@ve3rwj>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: Putting your response first, was: Re: security


Oops! Old habbits die hard. Ok, this should be right at the top. *LOL*

At 03:54 PM 7/26/2011, you wrote:
At 03:16 PM 7/26/2011, you wrote:
I would like to request putting your response at the top of the reply rather than under the original message. This way I don't have to read through the original post again before reading your thoughts.
Ok. I'll try to do so. Most sighted people like it the other way, so I'll adapt depending to which list I am posting.



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Re: dot pub files

Kerri <shalom75@...>
 

Hello, Milton. I converted it but is there a way to place my answers into
the original file? I'll send it off list to you.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:41 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: dot pub files

It sounds like you have a Microsoft Publisher file by the extention that you
provided. If you have a full installation of Office Professional, you should
have that program and should be able to resave the file to a plain .txt
file. You will lose a lot of the format/file page layout. It is better than
nothing.

If you need assistance to convert the file to .txt, send it off list to me
and I'll be glad to help.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Kerri
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:23 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: dot pub files

Hello, all. I have a file which has the exten dot pub and I am unable to
read it with jfw. Is there a converter available for this? Thank you and
have a great day.


Jesus is the author of connection. Satan is the author of isolation. The
more our enemy takes us captive, the further we distance ourselves from
healthy people. - Beth Moore


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From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: jaws update:

And such sights aren't quite as subject to change. I've dabbled with
Wikipedia. It ain't Americana, but doesn't claim to be. Overall, I
found it rather cool.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:25 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: jaws update:

Bill,

I do use Research It almost every day to check stock quotes and to use
Wictionary/Wikipedia. Those are elements that the word "research" seem
appropriate. Somehow the word "research" does not bring up sport scores
in
my mind. But then it's an opinion, after all.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my
comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But
I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Spiry" <aspiry@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 20:15
Subject: RE: jaws update:


I find Research it extremely useful.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of northstar1950@...
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 1:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: jaws update:

research-it will never be always fixed because when a page changes,
the research-it in jaws will always break. i think it should be
scrapped and make room for real fixes.
just my opinion.


Legend has it that on Monday 7/25/2011 02:54 PM, Kenny Peyatt said:
I like this new jaws update. It works great. I wish they would fix
the mlb scores in research it.

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Re: security

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Hmmm, yes, one might bring home a virus and infect the rest of your little harem. *LOL*

No, two programs should cover just about everything. Of course, it's always possible that threats will emerge that none of the programs catch, until their respective updates are released. But, there's not much you can do about that, except having both programs check for updates when you run them.


Re: security

Alex Stone <alex.stone@...>
 

Don, I have MSSE and malware Bytes, but that's all I have, I don't have
anything like Avast as well.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Don Wardlow
Sent: 26 July 2011 21:42
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: security

Dave Durber,

If I have Malware Bytes and Microsoft Security Essentials, do I need to get
Avast? I fear them conflicting with each other, which is the same reason I'd

never have more than one wife, even if I were in a culture that allowed it.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 4:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: security

It is really funny you should have heard that about Avast because, I have it
on my system and I had no problems navigating any of the tab pages nor
choosing how to set the choices under any of the Settings options.

At first, I did have a problem in turning off the Sand Box feature but, with
a little perseverance, I did manage to turn it off.

Well, I suppose some of us do not give up at the first hurdle

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: security


Hello there;
It's my understanding that the latest version of avast isn't screen reader
friendly.



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:42 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: security

Avast is highly inaccessible, I've found. That, and it's a little bit too
jumpy for my tastes. Often recognizes things as infections that, well,
aren't. Including components of a competing screenreader that was removed
for another reason.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: July-26-11 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: security

Is Microsoft Security Essentials better than Avast, or does it really
replace a Virus protection program. I've heard good and bad things about
it, and have considered putting it on my system.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <james@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: security


Microsoft Security Escentials. Meets all of your requirements, and
well, doesn't bust your system in several different places. Just a
thought.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Rouillardmike@...
Sent: July 26, 2011 9:38 AM
To: jfw@...
Subject: security

Hi,
I'm running windows 7 and jaws 12. I'm looking for a free accessible
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Thanks!
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Re: security

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello David;

Well, I must confess, I've not really used the program, so perhaps I really
shouldn't comment,
Although, I heard that a few folks were having difficulties,
Maybe, it was the user who was unfamiliar with different keystrokes, or
wasn't comfortable navigating through the program.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: security

It is really funny you should have heard that about Avast because, I have it

on my system and I had no problems navigating any of the tab pages nor
choosing how to set the choices under any of the Settings options.

At first, I did have a problem in turning off the Sand Box feature but, with

a little perseverance, I did manage to turn it off.

Well, I suppose some of us do not give up at the first hurdle

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: security


Hello there;
It's my understanding that the latest version of avast isn't screen reader
friendly.



-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:42 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: security

Avast is highly inaccessible, I've found. That, and it's a little bit too
jumpy for my tastes. Often recognizes things as infections that, well,
aren't. Including components of a competing screenreader that was removed
for another reason.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: July-26-11 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: security

Is Microsoft Security Essentials better than Avast, or does it really
replace a Virus protection program. I've heard good and bad things about
it, and have considered putting it on my system.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <james@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: security


Microsoft Security Escentials. Meets all of your requirements, and
well, doesn't bust your system in several different places. Just a
thought.

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Sent: July 26, 2011 9:38 AM
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Subject: security

Hi,
I'm running windows 7 and jaws 12. I'm looking for a free accessible
comprehensive security program that blocks viruses, spyware, etc. Any
suggestions?
Thanks!
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Re: security

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Hello there;

Well if you have
Malware bytes, and MSE,

No need for avast.
Avast is just another virus program,

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Don Wardlow
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 4:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: security

Dave Durber,

If I have Malware Bytes and Microsoft Security Essentials, do I need to get
Avast? I fear them conflicting with each other, which is the same reason I'd

never have more than one wife, even if I were in a culture that allowed it.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 4:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: security

It is really funny you should have heard that about Avast because, I have it
on my system and I had no problems navigating any of the tab pages nor
choosing how to set the choices under any of the Settings options.

At first, I did have a problem in turning off the Sand Box feature but, with
a little perseverance, I did manage to turn it off.

Well, I suppose some of us do not give up at the first hurdle

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: security


Hello there;
It's my understanding that the latest version of avast isn't screen reader
friendly.



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:42 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: security

Avast is highly inaccessible, I've found. That, and it's a little bit too
jumpy for my tastes. Often recognizes things as infections that, well,
aren't. Including components of a competing screenreader that was removed
for another reason.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: July-26-11 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: security

Is Microsoft Security Essentials better than Avast, or does it really
replace a Virus protection program. I've heard good and bad things about
it, and have considered putting it on my system.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <james@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: security


Microsoft Security Escentials. Meets all of your requirements, and
well, doesn't bust your system in several different places. Just a
thought.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Rouillardmike@...
Sent: July 26, 2011 9:38 AM
To: jfw@...
Subject: security

Hi,
I'm running windows 7 and jaws 12. I'm looking for a free accessible
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Thanks!
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Re: jaws update:

Dave Durber
 

Adrian:

At the time, I was using JAWS 9 and I couldn't afford to upgrade my SMA. So, Research It was not available to me.

It was a friend who suggest I install EdSharp and try it. I must admit, I have not used Research It extensively but, having followed all the threads on the subject and heard the problems JAWS users have with the utility, I cannot say that I am either impressed or keen to take it for a thorough test drive.

Sincerely:

Dave durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:27 AM
Subject: RE: jaws update:


Dave,

I was curious why you invoked EdSharp, an application I've read about but
never used. For anyone interested, EdSharp's equivalent to JAWS's Research
It is described in detail at
http://empowermentzone.com/EdSharp.htm#A13

Look for the Web Client Utilities link.

I'm guessing that Freedom Scientific views Research It as a selling point,
just as iPhone apps are a selling point for what would otherwise be just a
phone. It might pull in new customers, good for business but more
positively, also a way of encouraging increasing numbers of visually
impaired people to take this step toward independence. I'd like to say that
I wish we didn't see Research It and upgrade of job application
compatibility as an either/or proposition, but FS tech support people often
say that fixing this or that problem is a question of priorities. Resources
are limited.

I almost never use Research It. For definitions, I prefer my installed
Random House Webster's. for Wiki-type research, I prefer to combine Wiki
information with other options available through google. Stock information
is superior at other websites. As for sports scores, is anyone really
willing to say they're spending all the money they pay for JAWS in order to
find out what happened in baseball the day before?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:06 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: jaws update:

Especially as there are better third-party programs available which do a
much better job than Freedom Scientifics' attempt called ResearchIt.,
EdSharp, being one of them.

Freedom Scientific, should stop adding useless humps to a camel that is
already overloaded and which is groaning more and more under the weight.
Soon, the beast will not be able to stand up and carry the weight.

If they had the guts to do so, they would not release another version of
JAWS containing useless and irrelevant functions and utilities, but,
instead, concentrate on fixing many of the major bugs and problems that we
have all been complaining about for the last few versions. But, of course,
because they lack the political will to take such a brave decision, they
lack the moral fiber and guts to put such a decision into effect. So, do
not hold your breath.

Oh! As for them not counting Version 12 as an upgrade, they will behave in
the same way as Microsoft did over Vista, that is, they will act as if there

was nothing wrong with Version12, except to say, we will hope to do better
with the next version release. Yes! And the rest! hahahahahaha! Just
like we should believe that pigs and elephants can fly and there is a month
of Sundays!

----- Original Message -----
From: "sooner" <soner.boun@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: jaws update:


the effort and time wasted on a feature which is particular just to
Americans, is firstly useless, and secondarily shows how much FS cares
about its international users.


On 7/26/2011 7:06 AM, northstar1950@... wrote:
until it breaks, i myself never use it i use the search engines found on
the internet and work quite well for me.


Legend has it that on Monday 7/25/2011 10:15 PM, Bill Spiry said:
I find Research it extremely useful.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of northstar1950@...
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 1:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: jaws update:

research-it will never be always fixed because when a page changes,
the research-it in jaws will always break. i think it should be
scrapped and make room for real fixes.
just my opinion.


Legend has it that on Monday 7/25/2011 02:54 PM, Kenny Peyatt said:
I like this new jaws update. It works great. I wish they would fix
the mlb scores in research it.

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Re: security

Don Wardlow <wardlows97@...>
 

Dave Durber,

If I have Malware Bytes and Microsoft Security Essentials, do I need to get Avast? I fear them conflicting with each other, which is the same reason I'd never have more than one wife, even if I were in a culture that allowed it.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 4:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: security

It is really funny you should have heard that about Avast because, I have it
on my system and I had no problems navigating any of the tab pages nor
choosing how to set the choices under any of the Settings options.

At first, I did have a problem in turning off the Sand Box feature but, with
a little perseverance, I did manage to turn it off.

Well, I suppose some of us do not give up at the first hurdle

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: security


Hello there;
It's my understanding that the latest version of avast isn't screen reader
friendly.



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:42 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: security

Avast is highly inaccessible, I've found. That, and it's a little bit too
jumpy for my tastes. Often recognizes things as infections that, well,
aren't. Including components of a competing screenreader that was removed
for another reason.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: July-26-11 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: security

Is Microsoft Security Essentials better than Avast, or does it really
replace a Virus protection program. I've heard good and bad things about
it, and have considered putting it on my system.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <james@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: security


Microsoft Security Escentials. Meets all of your requirements, and
well, doesn't bust your system in several different places. Just a
thought.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Rouillardmike@...
Sent: July 26, 2011 9:38 AM
To: jfw@...
Subject: security

Hi,
I'm running windows 7 and jaws 12. I'm looking for a free accessible
comprehensive security program that blocks viruses, spyware, etc. Any
suggestions?
Thanks!
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Re: security

Dave Durber
 

It is really funny you should have heard that about Avast because, I have it on my system and I had no problems navigating any of the tab pages nor choosing how to set the choices under any of the Settings options.

At first, I did have a problem in turning off the Sand Box feature but, with a little perseverance, I did manage to turn it off.

Well, I suppose some of us do not give up at the first hurdle

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <davidwhitehead1957@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: security


Hello there;
It's my understanding that the latest version of avast isn't screen reader
friendly.



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:42 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: security

Avast is highly inaccessible, I've found. That, and it's a little bit too
jumpy for my tastes. Often recognizes things as infections that, well,
aren't. Including components of a competing screenreader that was removed
for another reason.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: July-26-11 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: security

Is Microsoft Security Essentials better than Avast, or does it really
replace a Virus protection program. I've heard good and bad things about
it, and have considered putting it on my system.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <james@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: security


Microsoft Security Escentials. Meets all of your requirements, and
well, doesn't bust your system in several different places. Just a
thought.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Rouillardmike@...
Sent: July 26, 2011 9:38 AM
To: jfw@...
Subject: security

Hi,
I'm running windows 7 and jaws 12. I'm looking for a free accessible
comprehensive security program that blocks viruses, spyware, etc. Any
suggestions?
Thanks!
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Re: Web browsers

Dave Durber
 

Nickus:

What a coincidence, I posted the same question to the llist about FireFox myself about 20 minutes ago, not even knowing you had already asked the question.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@...>
To: "Jaws" <jfw@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:07 AM
Subject: Web browsers


Hi all i'm using windows 7 and jaws 11. I'm looking in to trying different web browsers. 1. I know that firefox is accessible but which version works best with jaws 11. 2. Is safari at all accessible and if so, also which version? 3. Is opera accessible? Thanks in advance.


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Re: Putting your response first, was: security

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Oops! Old habbits die hard. Ok, this should be right at the top. *LOL*

At 03:54 PM 7/26/2011, you wrote:
At 03:16 PM 7/26/2011, you wrote:
I would like to request putting your response at the top of the reply rather than under the original message. This way I don't have to read through the original post again before reading your thoughts.
Ok. I'll try to do so. Most sighted people like it the other way, so I'll adapt depending to which list I am posting.



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Re: Putting your response first, was: security

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

At 03:16 PM 7/26/2011, you wrote:
I would like to request putting your response at the top of the reply rather than under the original message. This way I don't have to read through the original post again before reading your thoughts.
Ok. I'll try to do so. Most sighted people like it the other way, so I'll adapt depending to which list I am posting.