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Re: password managers

 

Hi Marty,

The short answer to your question is yes, KeePass is another app for tracking passwords in the same manner you're using an Excel file to do so. It does include a more robust feature set for your passwords including encryption as you mentioned as well as the ability to utilize the same password database file on a smart phone companion app which allows access to your passwords on another device. You could also do this with Excel running on a smart phone but I haven't found perusing Excel files on a smart phone to be something I care to do.

Alan Lemly

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 5:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: password managers

So basically, KeePass is the same thing as the Excel database that I already had set up for my passwords, but more incripted?

On 9/23/2022 4:36 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
Hi Marty,

What I would do in your described scenario is to go to the website, open KeePass with the custom shortcut I've created, look up the appropriate entry in my KeePass database, and then do a ctrl + b to copy the username followed by a ctrl + c to copy the password which I would pasted in the appropriate places on the website. I'm not a fan of automatic entry of anything so I much prefer to do the copying and pasting steps manually.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty
Hutchings
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: password managers

I have downloaded and installed KeePass. I set up a new database and choose a password. Now, what happens when I go to one of my websites that I have an account on? Do I put in the user name and the new pass word that I set up with KeePass? How does the website know that there is a new password? I didn't go and change it on each site.

On 9/23/2022 9:04 AM, soner wrote:
hello, you do not need to pay for password managers. You can use
KeepAssXC which is free, open source and accccessible with which you
could hide your passwords in its encrypted database and save it in
your USB drive or on cloud.

On 9/23/22, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:
Hi Robin,



You like the same things about KeePass on the computer that I do.
I'll add that I got the KeePass for Windows free and KeePass Touch for 99 cents.
This
was a very hard price to beat. And I much prefer to manage all my
KeePass passwords on my computer with a full-sized keyboard and use
the iOS app for pasting passwords when needed.



Alan Lemly



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant,
Robin via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2022 11:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: password managers



Alan,

Your steps were very straightforward. I think I've done this
before, but it
felt cleaner this time, for whatever reason. I'm saving your steps. To
your point, I think the browse thing used to open to iCloud by
default and that was throwing me off. This time, it opened to Dropbox immediately.
Interestingly, as I swipe to hear the files in my DropBox list, I am
hearing VO say "in iCloud" just before the date and file size. Not
sure why that is, but the header at the top clearly says Dropbox and
it's the list of files on my DropBox account.



I'm sticking with managing my entries on my laptop. I just couldn't'
figure out how to get a change I made on the database with KeePass
Touch to save to the file on Dropbox. It's like KeePass doesn't
fully support a true synching
option, even though I selected that option when I set up the app. It
would
be nice, but I once overwrote some entries when I saved my iPhone
file back to Dropbox, so I'm a bit gun shy about it.



I do find the Window app very easy to use with JAWS. I like the
simplicity of the interface, use of context menus and old-fashioned menu system.



Robin











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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Alan
Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 2:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: password managers



Hi Robin,



I also use KeePass on my Windows 10 computer and KeePass Touch on my
iPhone
13 Mini. Those two are both accessible and enable me to store what I
need without any fuss. I like that when a KeePass Touch entry is
open on my iPhone, I can swipe to the password field and do a single
finger double tap on the screen and the password value is
automatically copied to the clipboard for easy pasting elsewhere. I
always manage my KeePass password entries on my desktop computer
because I find having a full screen keyboard available for input
much easier. I also keep my KeePass database file in a Dropbox
folder and these are the steps I use to update that database file on
my iPhone when I've changed the database on my computer:



1. Open KeePass Touch. If the app prompts you for Face or Touch ID and
opens your database file, place focus on the Files back button in
the upper left corner of the screen and double tap.
2. If you don't automatically open an existing database file, you
should already be on the Files screen.
3. On the bottomline toolbar at the far right is an Add button which
you should double tap.
4. You'll be given options to Create new database or Import. Execute
Import.
5. Two mor options of Browse and Cancel will appear and you should
execute Browse.
6. I think because I upgraded to iOS 16 earlier today, I was taken
directly to iCloud drive which I did not want so I executed the More
button from the top line menu.
7. I then swiped to Dropbox and double tapped.
8. I then swiped to the applicable KeePass database file and double
tapped on it causing it to load and for KeePass Touch via Voiceover
to provide the most recently date of update. Touch or Face ID should
have granted access provided you have them set up here.



I believe those steps were fewer by two or three steps the last time
I did this but as I said, I updated to iOS 16 earlier today and I
expect that caused the steps to be a bit different.



I'm not totally up-to-date on the latest news but I'm pretty sure I
heard something in the past few days about LastPass being hacked.
You might let your employers know about that.



Alan Lemly



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Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: password managers



I am using KeePass on my Windows 10 laptop and on my iPhone. It's very
accessible with a simple interface, although I'm sure I'm not using
it to the fullest. My only annoyance, and this is likely my
ignorance, is that I'm storing the shared file on DropBox and it
doesn't' seem like my iPhone opens the newest version of that file
on my phone. It might work better if I was storin the file on
iTunes, but I just haven't gotten there or spent the time to
research it. Because of this, I only update the database on my
Windows laptop and just pull the new file to my phone. I just don't have the synching sorted out in my head.



But I like that it is free and a really simple interface. I haven't tried
any other apps. My company is now using LastPass and I need to explore
that, but it's low on the list of things to conquer.



Robin





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Subject: password managers



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Re: knowing the number of messages in my inbox

Marie Nelson
 

Thanks David, this is the first answer that actually works for me.

Marie

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2022 6:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: knowing the number of messages in my inbox

 

Hi Madison,

Assuming you are using laptop layout, hit the caps lock key with your left hand and 3 on the num pad or the up arrow with your right hand to read the line. You will hear the number of messages at the end.

David


Re: Accessible Ebook Readers

John Covici
 

If its actually kindle, you may have better luck if you have a smart
phone. If its something else, that is another problem.

On Sat, 24 Sep 2022 12:35:59 -0400,
Robbie Curtis wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean but the book is screen reader
supported and Text-To-Speech enabled. However, I do not like
using the text to speech feature with the app.


On 9/24/2022 11:30 AM, John Covici wrote:
Is your ebook encrypted like Kindell?

On Sat, 24 Sep 2022 09:00:19 -0400,
david Jennette wrote:
[1 <text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
Are you using the kindle for pc ap? That is accessible.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robbie Curtis
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 9:28 PM
To: 'jfw@groups.io' <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Accessible Ebook Readers


Hey Everyone,

Recently I downloaded a book sample from Amazon but kept getting an error of "Secure Storage" which does not allow the sample to become readable.

Do any of you know of an Ebook reader that is accessible and that supports the Kindle format? I am using Windows 11 and JAWS 2022.

Thanks in advance.








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Re: Accessible Ebook Readers

Robbie Curtis
 

I'm not sure what you mean but the book is screen reader supported and Text-To-Speech enabled. However, I do not like using the text to speech feature with the app.

On 9/24/2022 11:30 AM, John Covici wrote:
Is your ebook encrypted like Kindell?

On Sat, 24 Sep 2022 09:00:19 -0400,
david Jennette wrote:
[1 <text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
Are you using the kindle for pc ap? That is accessible.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robbie Curtis
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 9:28 PM
To: 'jfw@groups.io' <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Accessible Ebook Readers


Hey Everyone,

Recently I downloaded a book sample from Amazon but kept getting an error of "Secure Storage" which does not allow the sample to become readable.

Do any of you know of an Ebook reader that is accessible and that supports the Kindle format? I am using Windows 11 and JAWS 2022.

Thanks in advance.








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Re: Accessible Ebook Readers

Robbie Curtis
 

Hi David,


Yes and I have uninstalled and reinstalled the app many times but still get the same problem of not seeing the text for the book when I open it.


On 9/24/2022 9:00 AM, david Jennette wrote:

Are you using the kindle for pc ap? That is accessible.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robbie Curtis
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 9:28 PM
To: 'jfw@groups.io' <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Accessible Ebook Readers

 

Hey Everyone,

Recently I downloaded a book sample from Amazon but kept getting an error of "Secure Storage" which does not allow the sample to become readable.

Do any of you know of an Ebook reader that is accessible and that supports the Kindle format? I am using Windows 11 and JAWS 2022.

Thanks in advance.


Re: Accessible Ebook Readers

Robbie Curtis
 

Thanks Jean, I was afraid of that.

On 9/24/2022 7:27 AM, Gene Warner wrote:
As far as I know, Kindle is a proprietary format exclusive to Amazon, which is why I won't use it, so you'll have to download the Kindle app for whichever operating system you are using.

Gene...


On 9/23/2022 10:27 PM, Robbie Curtis wrote:
Hey Everyone,

Recently I downloaded a book sample from Amazon but kept getting an error of "Secure Storage" which does not allow the sample to become readable.

Do any of you know of an Ebook reader that is accessible and that supports the Kindle format? I am using Windows 11 and JAWS 2022.

Thanks in advance.



Re: Accessible Ebook Readers

Robbie Curtis
 

Hi Paul,


I already downloaded Kindle For PC but the problem I'm experiencing is that when I download a free sample of the book and open it, Jaws doesn't see it and I've checked to see if screen reader support is there before I download.


I go to the help menu and hit the Check for Problems and the message says that some of the items were unable to download and one of the issues was secure storage. It gives me the steps to try and correct the problem but I'm not seeing the instructions with my braiile display and there's no way to copy just using JAWS commands.


This is the reason for me asking if there's any other ebook readers that are accessible and can support Kindle formats.

Thanks.


On 9/24/2022 4:04 AM, Life in Six Dots wrote:

Robbie,

 

You can download Kindle for PC from Amazon. It’s a free app that will read most Kindle books with JAWS and NVDA, including braille displays. You will need to check that the book has Screen Reader Support—which is found in the Product Details.

 

Paul

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robbie Curtis
Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2022 03:28
To: 'jfw@groups.io' <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Accessible Ebook Readers

 

Hey Everyone,

Recently I downloaded a book sample from Amazon but kept getting an error of "Secure Storage" which does not allow the sample to become readable.

Do any of you know of an Ebook reader that is accessible and that supports the Kindle format? I am using Windows 11 and JAWS 2022.

Thanks in advance.


Re: Accessible Ebook Readers

John Covici
 

Is your ebook encrypted like Kindell?

On Sat, 24 Sep 2022 09:00:19 -0400,
david Jennette wrote:

[1 <text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
Are you using the kindle for pc ap? That is accessible.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robbie Curtis
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 9:28 PM
To: 'jfw@groups.io' <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Accessible Ebook Readers



Hey Everyone,

Recently I downloaded a book sample from Amazon but kept getting an error of "Secure Storage" which does not allow the sample to become readable.

Do any of you know of an Ebook reader that is accessible and that supports the Kindle format? I am using Windows 11 and JAWS 2022.

Thanks in advance.








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Re: knowing the number of messages in my inbox

Glenn / Lenny
 


Well if there's a numpad, there's no reason to use two hands and mess with the caps lock, if one is reaching for the numpad, just do zero + 3 on the numpad.
thumb on the zero and ring finger drops down to #3.
Now if you have laptop set for any type of keyboard, the letter N  with shift + caps lock does the same, and you don't need to move your right hand over there.
Although you can mix the two, it isn't practical.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2022 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: knowing the number of messages in my inbox

Hi Madison,

Assuming you are using laptop layout, hit the caps lock key with your left hand and 3 on the num pad or the up arrow with your right hand to read the line. You will hear the number of messages at the end.

David


Re: knowing the number of messages in my inbox

David Kingsbury
 

Hi Madison,

Assuming you are using laptop layout, hit the caps lock key with your left hand and 3 on the num pad or the up arrow with your right hand to read the line. You will hear the number of messages at the end.

David


Re: Accessible Ebook Readers

david Jennette
 

Are you using the kindle for pc ap? That is accessible.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robbie Curtis
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 9:28 PM
To: 'jfw@groups.io' <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Accessible Ebook Readers

 

Hey Everyone,

Recently I downloaded a book sample from Amazon but kept getting an error of "Secure Storage" which does not allow the sample to become readable.

Do any of you know of an Ebook reader that is accessible and that supports the Kindle format? I am using Windows 11 and JAWS 2022.

Thanks in advance.


Re: Accessible Ebook Readers

Gene Warner
 

As far as I know, Kindle is a proprietary format exclusive to Amazon, which is why I won't use it, so you'll have to download the Kindle app for whichever operating system you are using.

Gene...

On 9/23/2022 10:27 PM, Robbie Curtis wrote:
Hey Everyone,
Recently I downloaded a book sample from Amazon but kept getting an error of "Secure Storage" which does not allow the sample to become readable.
Do any of you know of an Ebook reader that is accessible and that supports the Kindle format? I am using Windows 11 and JAWS 2022.
Thanks in advance.


Re: Accessible Ebook Readers

Life in Six Dots
 

Robbie,

 

You can download Kindle for PC from Amazon. It’s a free app that will read most Kindle books with JAWS and NVDA, including braille displays. You will need to check that the book has Screen Reader Support—which is found in the Product Details.

 

Paul

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robbie Curtis
Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2022 03:28
To: 'jfw@groups.io' <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Accessible Ebook Readers

 

Hey Everyone,

Recently I downloaded a book sample from Amazon but kept getting an error of "Secure Storage" which does not allow the sample to become readable.

Do any of you know of an Ebook reader that is accessible and that supports the Kindle format? I am using Windows 11 and JAWS 2022.

Thanks in advance.


Re: JAWS upgrade

Cornelius
 

That's assuming he is from the U.S. Outside of the U.S, generally we
are at the mercy of the deeler as we do not get to enjoy those Vispero
offer.
Even pricing for annual subs are more expensive then that offered by Vispero.

On 9/21/22, Dave Durber <d.durber@...> wrote:
Hello there:

Tell your friend to wait for the official release date of JAWS Version 2023.
Vispero generally offer a discount price to upgrade. This may or, may not
benefit your friend. your friend will need to pay an upgrade fee from JAWS
2019 to 2023, then your friend will need to pay for the SMA.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: HH. Smith Jr.
To: jfw@groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 11:38 PM
Subject: JAWS upgrade


Hi,



This is a brain freeze or senior moment question. Currently, my friend is
at JAWS2019, he wants to upgrade, does he have to payoff the 2020 thru 2022
to eventually get an SMA at 22 with 23 and 24 waiting in the wings



Thx,












Accessible Ebook Readers

Robbie Curtis
 

Hey Everyone,

Recently I downloaded a book sample from Amazon but kept getting an error of "Secure Storage" which does not allow the sample to become readable.

Do any of you know of an Ebook reader that is accessible and that supports the Kindle format? I am using Windows 11 and JAWS 2022.

Thanks in advance.


Re: OT, Accessible TV Recommendations

Glenn / Lenny
 

Curtis, or anyone else,
How do you bring up the voice on a Vizio?
Thanks

----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: OT, Accessible TV Recommendations


Vizeo? quite accessible!


Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...

On 9/15/2022 6:07 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Hi All,
We are looking for an accessible smart TV.
Perhaps smart TVs might be all we can get new any more.
Wal-mart has a lot, some Philips and Roku TVs.
I'm reluctant to get a Roku, because I have a Roku stick device that is
similar to
the Firestick, but the TTS is terrible, and I would not want to deal with
that deplorable voice in the TV menus.
But I want to be able to access the TV menus and set up input options,
like
scanning the antenna and selecting HDMI lines too.
Can anyone make any suggestions?

Thanks.

Glenn





Re: password managers

David Csercsics
 

What happens if you put something like your Apple ID in a password manager? I was thinking of using something like BitWarden or similar but was wondering if you'd have to leave some passwords out of a vault because it might be hard to scrape a password from a vault during install.


Re: password managers

Marty Hutchings
 

So basically, KeePass is the same thing as the Excel database that I already had set up for my passwords, but more incripted?

On 9/23/2022 4:36 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
Hi Marty,

What I would do in your described scenario is to go to the website, open KeePass with the custom shortcut I've created, look up the appropriate entry in my KeePass database, and then do a ctrl + b to copy the username followed by a ctrl + c to copy the password which I would pasted in the appropriate places on the website. I'm not a fan of automatic entry of anything so I much prefer to do the copying and pasting steps manually.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: password managers

I have downloaded and installed KeePass. I set up a new database and choose a password. Now, what happens when I go to one of my websites that I have an account on? Do I put in the user name and the new pass word that I set up with KeePass? How does the website know that there is a new password? I didn't go and change it on each site.

On 9/23/2022 9:04 AM, soner wrote:
hello, you do not need to pay for password managers. You can use
KeepAssXC which is free, open source and accccessible with which you
could hide your passwords in its encrypted database and save it in
your USB drive or on cloud.

On 9/23/22, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:
Hi Robin,



You like the same things about KeePass on the computer that I do.
I'll add that I got the KeePass for Windows free and KeePass Touch for 99 cents.
This
was a very hard price to beat. And I much prefer to manage all my
KeePass passwords on my computer with a full-sized keyboard and use
the iOS app for pasting passwords when needed.



Alan Lemly



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant,
Robin via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2022 11:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: password managers



Alan,

Your steps were very straightforward. I think I've done this before,
but it
felt cleaner this time, for whatever reason. I'm saving your steps. To
your point, I think the browse thing used to open to iCloud by
default and that was throwing me off. This time, it opened to Dropbox immediately.
Interestingly, as I swipe to hear the files in my DropBox list, I am
hearing VO say "in iCloud" just before the date and file size. Not
sure why that is, but the header at the top clearly says Dropbox and
it's the list of files on my DropBox account.



I'm sticking with managing my entries on my laptop. I just couldn't'
figure out how to get a change I made on the database with KeePass
Touch to save to the file on Dropbox. It's like KeePass doesn't fully
support a true synching
option, even though I selected that option when I set up the app. It
would
be nice, but I once overwrote some entries when I saved my iPhone
file back to Dropbox, so I'm a bit gun shy about it.



I do find the Window app very easy to use with JAWS. I like the
simplicity of the interface, use of context menus and old-fashioned menu system.



Robin











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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Alan
Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 2:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: password managers



Hi Robin,



I also use KeePass on my Windows 10 computer and KeePass Touch on my
iPhone
13 Mini. Those two are both accessible and enable me to store what I
need without any fuss. I like that when a KeePass Touch entry is open
on my iPhone, I can swipe to the password field and do a single
finger double tap on the screen and the password value is
automatically copied to the clipboard for easy pasting elsewhere. I
always manage my KeePass password entries on my desktop computer
because I find having a full screen keyboard available for input much
easier. I also keep my KeePass database file in a Dropbox folder and
these are the steps I use to update that database file on my iPhone
when I've changed the database on my computer:



1. Open KeePass Touch. If the app prompts you for Face or Touch ID and
opens your database file, place focus on the Files back button in the
upper left corner of the screen and double tap.
2. If you don't automatically open an existing database file, you
should already be on the Files screen.
3. On the bottomline toolbar at the far right is an Add button which
you should double tap.
4. You'll be given options to Create new database or Import. Execute
Import.
5. Two mor options of Browse and Cancel will appear and you should
execute Browse.
6. I think because I upgraded to iOS 16 earlier today, I was taken
directly to iCloud drive which I did not want so I executed the More
button from the top line menu.
7. I then swiped to Dropbox and double tapped.
8. I then swiped to the applicable KeePass database file and double
tapped on it causing it to load and for KeePass Touch via Voiceover
to provide the most recently date of update. Touch or Face ID should
have granted access provided you have them set up here.



I believe those steps were fewer by two or three steps the last time
I did this but as I said, I updated to iOS 16 earlier today and I
expect that caused the steps to be a bit different.



I'm not totally up-to-date on the latest news but I'm pretty sure I
heard something in the past few days about LastPass being hacked. You
might let your employers know about that.



Alan Lemly



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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Van
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Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: password managers



I am using KeePass on my Windows 10 laptop and on my iPhone. It's very
accessible with a simple interface, although I'm sure I'm not using
it to the fullest. My only annoyance, and this is likely my
ignorance, is that I'm storing the shared file on DropBox and it
doesn't' seem like my iPhone opens the newest version of that file
on my phone. It might work better if I was storin the file on
iTunes, but I just haven't gotten there or spent the time to research
it. Because of this, I only update the database on my Windows laptop
and just pull the new file to my phone. I just don't have the synching sorted out in my head.



But I like that it is free and a really simple interface. I haven't tried
any other apps. My company is now using LastPass and I need to explore
that, but it's low on the list of things to conquer.



Robin





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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Drew
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 10:55 PM
To: jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: password managers



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Hi list,

Which password managers are the most accessible with Jaws and also
have an Accessible IOS app? Has anyone used "dashlane" before? Thanks for any info.



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Re: password managers

 

And after you've arrowed down to the KeePass entry as described by Robin, you can also do a ctrl + c which will copy the password entry without first having to open a context menu. Alternatively, you can arrow down to the entry and do a ctrl + b to copy your username. These two shortcut commands are built into KeePass.

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 5:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: password managers

Marty,
There are some sites for which I let Microsoft Edge retain my password for auto entry -- sites that are not really a risk if someone got into them. Even still, I keep track of the passwords in KeePass, should I ever need to access the site from another device or just have a list of my passwords. For most sites, I do the same process as Alan described, going to KeePass and copying the password then pasting it into the password field on the website. Note that the quick way to do this is to find the entry, and hit the application key on it and arrow down once to the copy password option.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 1:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: password managers

I have downloaded and installed KeePass. I set up a new database and choose a password. Now, what happens when I go to one of my websites that I have an account on? Do I put in the user name and the new pass word that I set up with KeePass? How does the website know that there is a new password? I didn't go and change it on each site.

On 9/23/2022 9:04 AM, soner wrote:
hello, you do not need to pay for password managers. You can use
KeepAssXC which is free, open source and accccessible with which you
could hide your passwords in its encrypted database and save it in
your USB drive or on cloud.

On 9/23/22, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:
Hi Robin,



You like the same things about KeePass on the computer that I do.
I'll add that I got the KeePass for Windows free and KeePass Touch for 99 cents.
This
was a very hard price to beat. And I much prefer to manage all my
KeePass passwords on my computer with a full-sized keyboard and use
the iOS app for pasting passwords when needed.



Alan Lemly



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant,
Robin via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2022 11:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: password managers



Alan,

Your steps were very straightforward. I think I've done this before,
but it
felt cleaner this time, for whatever reason. I'm saving your steps. To
your point, I think the browse thing used to open to iCloud by
default and that was throwing me off. This time, it opened to Dropbox immediately.
Interestingly, as I swipe to hear the files in my DropBox list, I am
hearing VO say "in iCloud" just before the date and file size. Not
sure why that is, but the header at the top clearly says Dropbox and
it's the list of files on my DropBox account.



I'm sticking with managing my entries on my laptop. I just couldn't'
figure out how to get a change I made on the database with KeePass
Touch to save to the file on Dropbox. It's like KeePass doesn't fully
support a true synching
option, even though I selected that option when I set up the app. It
would
be nice, but I once overwrote some entries when I saved my iPhone
file back to Dropbox, so I'm a bit gun shy about it.



I do find the Window app very easy to use with JAWS. I like the
simplicity of the interface, use of context menus and old-fashioned menu system.



Robin











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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Alan
Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 2:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: password managers



Hi Robin,



I also use KeePass on my Windows 10 computer and KeePass Touch on my
iPhone
13 Mini. Those two are both accessible and enable me to store what I
need without any fuss. I like that when a KeePass Touch entry is open
on my iPhone, I can swipe to the password field and do a single
finger double tap on the screen and the password value is
automatically copied to the clipboard for easy pasting elsewhere. I
always manage my KeePass password entries on my desktop computer
because I find having a full screen keyboard available for input much
easier. I also keep my KeePass database file in a Dropbox folder and
these are the steps I use to update that database file on my iPhone
when I've changed the database on my computer:



1. Open KeePass Touch. If the app prompts you for Face or Touch ID and
opens your database file, place focus on the Files back button in the
upper left corner of the screen and double tap.
2. If you don't automatically open an existing database file, you
should already be on the Files screen.
3. On the bottomline toolbar at the far right is an Add button which
you should double tap.
4. You'll be given options to Create new database or Import. Execute
Import.
5. Two mor options of Browse and Cancel will appear and you should
execute Browse.
6. I think because I upgraded to iOS 16 earlier today, I was taken
directly to iCloud drive which I did not want so I executed the More
button from the top line menu.
7. I then swiped to Dropbox and double tapped.
8. I then swiped to the applicable KeePass database file and double
tapped on it causing it to load and for KeePass Touch via Voiceover
to provide the most recently date of update. Touch or Face ID should
have granted access provided you have them set up here.



I believe those steps were fewer by two or three steps the last time
I did this but as I said, I updated to iOS 16 earlier today and I
expect that caused the steps to be a bit different.



I'm not totally up-to-date on the latest news but I'm pretty sure I
heard something in the past few days about LastPass being hacked. You
might let your employers know about that.



Alan Lemly



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Van
Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: password managers



I am using KeePass on my Windows 10 laptop and on my iPhone. It's very
accessible with a simple interface, although I'm sure I'm not using
it to the fullest. My only annoyance, and this is likely my
ignorance, is that I'm storing the shared file on DropBox and it
doesn't' seem like my iPhone opens the newest version of that file
on my phone. It might work better if I was storin the file on
iTunes, but I just haven't gotten there or spent the time to research
it. Because of this, I only update the database on my Windows laptop
and just pull the new file to my phone. I just don't have the synching sorted out in my head.



But I like that it is free and a really simple interface. I haven't tried
any other apps. My company is now using LastPass and I need to explore
that, but it's low on the list of things to conquer.



Robin





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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Drew
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 10:55 PM
To: jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: password managers



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Hi list,

Which password managers are the most accessible with Jaws and also
have an Accessible IOS app? Has anyone used "dashlane" before? Thanks for any info.



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Re: password managers

Van Lant, Robin
 

Marty,
There are some sites for which I let Microsoft Edge retain my password for auto entry -- sites that are not really a risk if someone got into them. Even still, I keep track of the passwords in KeePass, should I ever need to access the site from another device or just have a list of my passwords. For most sites, I do the same process as Alan described, going to KeePass and copying the password then pasting it into the password field on the website. Note that the quick way to do this is to find the entry, and hit the application key on it and arrow down once to the copy password option.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 1:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: password managers

I have downloaded and installed KeePass.  I set up a new database and choose a password.  Now, what happens when I go to one of my websites that I have an account on?  Do I put in the user name and the new pass word that I set up with KeePass?  How does the website know that there is a new password?  I didn't go and change it on each site.

On 9/23/2022 9:04 AM, soner wrote:
hello, you do not need to pay for password managers. You can use
KeepAssXC which is free, open source and accccessible with which you
could hide your passwords in its encrypted database and save it in
your USB drive or on cloud.

On 9/23/22, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:
Hi Robin,



You like the same things about KeePass on the computer that I do.
I'll add that I got the KeePass for Windows free and KeePass Touch for 99 cents.
This
was a very hard price to beat. And I much prefer to manage all my
KeePass passwords on my computer with a full-sized keyboard and use
the iOS app for pasting passwords when needed.



Alan Lemly



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant,
Robin via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2022 11:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: password managers



Alan,

Your steps were very straightforward. I think I've done this before,
but it
felt cleaner this time, for whatever reason. I'm saving your steps. To
your point, I think the browse thing used to open to iCloud by
default and that was throwing me off. This time, it opened to Dropbox immediately.
Interestingly, as I swipe to hear the files in my DropBox list, I am
hearing VO say "in iCloud" just before the date and file size. Not
sure why that is, but the header at the top clearly says Dropbox and
it's the list of files on my DropBox account.



I'm sticking with managing my entries on my laptop. I just couldn't'
figure out how to get a change I made on the database with KeePass
Touch to save to the file on Dropbox. It's like KeePass doesn't fully
support a true synching
option, even though I selected that option when I set up the app. It
would
be nice, but I once overwrote some entries when I saved my iPhone
file back to Dropbox, so I'm a bit gun shy about it.



I do find the Window app very easy to use with JAWS. I like the
simplicity of the interface, use of context menus and old-fashioned menu system.



Robin











From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Alan
Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 2:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: password managers



Hi Robin,



I also use KeePass on my Windows 10 computer and KeePass Touch on my
iPhone
13 Mini. Those two are both accessible and enable me to store what I
need without any fuss. I like that when a KeePass Touch entry is open
on my iPhone, I can swipe to the password field and do a single
finger double tap on the screen and the password value is
automatically copied to the clipboard for easy pasting elsewhere. I
always manage my KeePass password entries on my desktop computer
because I find having a full screen keyboard available for input much
easier. I also keep my KeePass database file in a Dropbox folder and
these are the steps I use to update that database file on my iPhone
when I've changed the database on my computer:



1. Open KeePass Touch. If the app prompts you for Face or Touch ID and
opens your database file, place focus on the Files back button in the
upper left corner of the screen and double tap.
2. If you don't automatically open an existing database file, you
should already be on the Files screen.
3. On the bottomline toolbar at the far right is an Add button which
you should double tap.
4. You'll be given options to Create new database or Import. Execute
Import.
5. Two mor options of Browse and Cancel will appear and you should
execute Browse.
6. I think because I upgraded to iOS 16 earlier today, I was taken
directly to iCloud drive which I did not want so I executed the More
button from the top line menu.
7. I then swiped to Dropbox and double tapped.
8. I then swiped to the applicable KeePass database file and double
tapped on it causing it to load and for KeePass Touch via Voiceover
to provide the most recently date of update. Touch or Face ID should
have granted access provided you have them set up here.



I believe those steps were fewer by two or three steps the last time
I did this but as I said, I updated to iOS 16 earlier today and I
expect that caused the steps to be a bit different.



I'm not totally up-to-date on the latest news but I'm pretty sure I
heard something in the past few days about LastPass being hacked. You
might let your employers know about that.



Alan Lemly



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Van
Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: password managers



I am using KeePass on my Windows 10 laptop and on my iPhone. It's very
accessible with a simple interface, although I'm sure I'm not using
it to the fullest. My only annoyance, and this is likely my
ignorance, is that I'm storing the shared file on DropBox and it
doesn't' seem like my iPhone opens the newest version of that file
on my phone. It might work better if I was storin the file on
iTunes, but I just haven't gotten there or spent the time to research
it. Because of this, I only update the database on my Windows laptop
and just pull the new file to my phone. I just don't have the synching sorted out in my head.



But I like that it is free and a really simple interface. I haven't tried
any other apps. My company is now using LastPass and I need to explore
that, but it's low on the list of things to conquer.



Robin





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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Drew
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 10:55 PM
To: jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: password managers



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Hi list,

Which password managers are the most accessible with Jaws and also
have an Accessible IOS app? Has anyone used "dashlane" before? Thanks for any info.



KeyCorp Public

KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. prohibits the use of texts or other
unapproved messaging applications for business purposes.

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information.
It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No
confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any
transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are
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any of this information. If you have received this communication in
error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material
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or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not
intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any
transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view,
opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to
completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and
KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to
update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the
individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc.

The sender of this communication is a licensed securities
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Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National
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offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114

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