moderated Re: Locking the mouse buttons:

Gene Warner

You see what you want to see, I do not feel I was being rude, I was being honest because I've been there.

A rehab instructor who was supposed to teach the basics of using a screen reader did that to everyone in the class I was in. It left most, if not all, of us confused because we had no idea what we needed to learn to get started other than everything. So most of us could not answer his question with anything other than a "I don't know". It was not a very comfortable situation.

Several months later when I attended an alumni Christmas party I learned that more than half of that class never returned just like I did and that that instructor was no longer employed there, he was terminated soon after I left. I can only guess that many of the other students in that class complained about him.

Now maybe Brian was teaching an intermediate or advanced level class in which case his approach would have been appropriate, but that approach is not appropriate when your students don't know what they need to learn yet.

Before you can run, you must first learn to walk.


On 8/7/2022 10:03 PM, Don Walls wrote:
Harsh!  Do you really need to be so rude?  It seems reasonable that an instructor ask a student about the student's goals and needs.
-----Original Message----- From: Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2022 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Locking the mouse buttons:
You are right, I wouldn't want you as an instructor because you would be
a lousy one. The class was supposed to be a class on using JAWS. If you
can't teach that without needing the student to tell you what his goal
is, you have no business being an instructor.
On 8/7/2022 5:13 PM, David Diamond wrote:
I think in this case the sighted person did not draw the client out and the client did not tell the teacher exactly what she needed to learn. Sorry, some people’s communication skills are lacking.  The enquirer doesn’t know how to draw the person out and the student doesn’t know how to communicate properly what they want.  Then there is the other thought, audio skills are lacking as well, I E the teacher is not listening to his or her student.  Indirectly related. A person asked me a question and I did not understand what he wanted, I asked for clarification and all he said was, “The question is clear enough.” If it was clear enough, I’d not have to ask.  Smile. A good teacher should know how to draw their students out, not asking or giving vague questions or answers.  If a blind person asks where something is in a store, the person they ask should not say, “Over there or, over that way.” True they’ve answered the question however not in a way that the blind person can understand.

*From:* <> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* August 7, 2022 1:14 PM
*Subject:* Re: Locking the mouse buttons:

On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 02:10 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

    Totally agree! After I lost my vision, I signed up for a JAWS class
    at the local Lighthouse for the blind, the instructor was sighted
    and his method of instruction was to ask, "What do you want to learn?"

Well, then, you'd definitely not want me as an instructor, either. Most of my clients are adults who have lost their vision as adults.  I am there to instruct on using a screen reader, but I find that allowing the client to choose what they want to do/learn while learning the screen reader is best left up to them.  I can't know what programs a given client might want to use or, if trying to teach screen reader skills with a web browser, what it is they'd prefer to read, research, etc.

One of the things I have had the hardest time getting certain field counselors in the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired to understand is that you cannot teach how to use a screen reader as a stand alone thing.  A screen reader has, as its reason for being, accessing something else.  And I'd rather the client tell me, at least for the most part, what the "something elses" are in their lives.

I can't even begin to imagine what, "What do you want to learn?," even means when it comes to instructing on a screen reader since they don't function in isolation.  I interpret it as, "What do you need or want to learn how to use with a screen reader?"  And I want my students to tell me that, and I'll focus accordingly.

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