moderated Re: Don't like a group or mod, leave the group.


David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...>
 

                My policy has been if I don’t like the way a group is run, I leave it.  I have left some groups either because the mod fanned the flames of a inflammatory topic instead of putting it out, or the mod had her own little click because of being narcistic and if you did not hold with her rules, she booted you off with no chance of appealing her decision. Now this topic of the cost of JAWS has long since run it’s course and then some. Let’s all get back to the topic of jaws and stop the mud slinging from both yards.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: November 4, 2021 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

And when the list owners catch us changing the subject line, they say we are high jacking the thread and it's a no no.

Howard

On 11/4/2021 2:16 PM, Chris via groups.io wrote:

You can always mute the topic if you are not interested or fed up of it

 

 

From: Judy
Sent: 04 November 2021 19:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hello, I just randomly read this post. This subject line has been up for days, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't have time to read every single post on this busy list. So the couple I have read had nothing to do with Jaws cost. A lot of us could miss something that may be helpful to us if all of you would write a new post with the correct subject line. This is really frustrating, as I assume the subject line fits the message, which it doesn't anymore.  Please stop this. Judy & Libby

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hareth

Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 12:07 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Narrator sense one of win10 additions is more than enough to:

Installing windows from scratch

navigating through the windows initial setup

and after the above its good to install other screenreaders from

files, or even with internet browsing and downloading.

BTW, English is not my 1st language, I find win10 tts voice with

narrator just fine to understand. I'm probably not the only one who

really didn't get what you need narrator to do more than the above.

 

On 11/4/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:

> It does not tell me the proper term, insert on both left or right mouse keys

> is not the proper term.  To bee truthful, I’m not sure of what the verbiage

> is, I just found it annoying and I can’t seem to get into the menu to change

> it.  All in all, a real pain. I have no idea how to get a screen reader with

> no active screen reader.  Even pasting the link from another computer does

> not work as how do I know if it is pasted and then, once it gets there, one

> has to scroll down to download it, again how can that be done if no reader

> is working.  For those who’ve done it, enlighten me.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt

> Sent: November 4, 2021 4:57 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> I don’t understand this one.

> Narrator will let you do mouse clicks, and all kinds. Besides, you don’t

> need sighted help to install most screen readers.

> All the best

> Steve

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> From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of David Diamond

> Sent: 04 November 2021 05:43

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will

> recommend another one?  As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work

> without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right

> mouse button.  Why is that important?  Because when I’ve got a newer

> computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other

> screen reader.  Thus sighted assistance is mandatory.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny

> Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Well it's not behind their backs.

> I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and

> they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a

> selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is

> the best user interface.

> Glenn

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Michael Hunsaker<mailto:Hunsakerconsulting@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just

> want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users.Â

> You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not

> appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the

> blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially

> when the accusation is made behind their backs.Â

> That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also

> narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common

> with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS.Â

> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny

> <glenn@...<mailto:glenn@...>> wrote:

> 

> If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would

> include a Jaws layout for those who want it.

> This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode,

> where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.

> I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.

> But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything

> they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is

> not.

> It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it

> does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier

> to recruit Jaws users.

> Glenn

> Â

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Loy<mailto:loyrg2845@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA,

> it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help

> you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Chris via groups.io<mailto:chrismedley@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> Hi Chris,

> Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking

> about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

> In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"

> <chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>

> wrote:

> according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are

> available to existing jaws owners only

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"

> <chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>

> wrote:

> Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchaseÂ

> an sma or upgrade licence

> Â

> Â

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> Fi Billy,

> The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as

> yet.

> However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS

> products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the

> price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I

> don’t think.

> Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as

> has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet

> your needs.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"

> <billyinglis49@...<mailto:billyinglis49@...>> wrote:

> hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom

> Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other

> ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

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