Re: Enterprise software


Brent Harding
 

I haven't played with NVDA a lot either, but of the free one's I'd probably normally use SA to Go. I had to download and fumble with it last night. I understand why ESpeak is what comes with it because there is no great free synth, at least if you use XP yet, but I haven't tried that many. It is a little slow on the web, and you have to use IE's or Firefox's find command that I'm not used to. I'm nowhere efficient with it, but I was desperate to get logged into a site for this online bank I almost regret opening an account with almost a month ago. As far as pure accessibility goes, their only major issues are their check boxes and radio buttons. I tried both browsers with JFW and SA to Go, as well as Voiceover on the mac side, and none of those would identify or let me activate them. Yesterday was a problem specifically because without warning, they locked me out with this E-sign consent thing with 2 inaccessible check boxes and a perfectly OK accept button, and I thought it was possible that some bill pays would cancel and transactions in progress would find a way to get returned even though they're well covered. At least I got lucky this time that NVDA called them clickable and hitting space did something to them, however the state is unable to be determined after hitting space. I only wanted to switch to them because of ATM fee reimbursement and remote check deposit mainly, but glad I didn't go all in. The whole issue doesn't make sense to me because I tried to view source and save it, set the falses to true, and open up the file with the files thing in IE, and then the check boxes became accessible, but the page wouldn't transmit that way. I might call FS's tech support for what it's worth because the source of that consent page wouldn't appear to have anything more sensitive than my name in it, and it could shed light on what NVDA does so special nobody else figured out.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: Enterprise software


I'm not even sure it would suffice for home entertainment. I could not
read e-mail; I could not read The bible--not even close. I didn't try
playing a DVD. This was during my problems with Access, and I seem to
recall there were problems there to, because of NVDA's use of F2.

Ted

Ted

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar, Goodbye,
Ruby Tuesday
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:08 PM
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Subject: Re: Enterprise software

Gary,

I suspected as much, and thank you and Ed for the insights. I hope that
we'll hear from Karen to see if there is anything else she can share
about her personal experiences with NVDA.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:27
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


Dave,
I'm afraid that the problem with NVDA and other free solutions is that
you
don't get the same level of automatic feedback that you do with JAWS.
The
last time I tried NVDA with Excel, it read the contents of the cells and
the
cell coordinates, but not the column and row titles. That was a
show-stopper for me.

For people who can't afford a commercial screen reader and who are using
a
computer at home for entertainment, a free screen reader will suffice,
but
if they want to be productive on the job, they will have to pay the
price.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


No, hadn't given it a moment's thought. What are its advantages over
JAWS,
besides the price? Does it have on-line and telephone support, for
example?
How does it do with MS-Excel, which is the second-most important
application
in my job? How does it work with Outlook 2007? Give us your
experiences.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 06:39
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


have you tried downloading
n v d a
this is like jaws and free. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because
I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same
impact
on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably an
understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was
blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues,
regarding
screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to
quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee
passivity. In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their
adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits
driven
by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what
you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like
passivity,
and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to
work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for
the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility
should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only
workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating
organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and
safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that
have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally
accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the
company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be
very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such
products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard
interface.
...


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