moderated Re: Multi select list box not allowing multiple selections

James Benstead

It seems crazy to me that institutions don't upgrade because of "security" issues, and when they cite "security" concerns I'm often not convinced that's what the real problem is. I suspect it's just that they have a lot of computers running software that they know works on their current network, and the costs and complexities of upgrading are then far, far greater than, say, a home user who is upgrading from one version of a web browser to another.

I used to write reports for UK Government institutions describing the accommodations they needed to make for their employees, and with a few of those institutions I spent a couple of years prefacing every report with words to the effect of "Windows XP stopped being support in 2014 but you're still running it, and that prevents this employee getting access to the software they need in order to do their job". I don't know when the upgrades were made (or even if they were!) but I was using that boilerplate into the late summer of 2016.

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On Fri, 14 May 2021 at 03:19, <kylee@...> wrote:

Hi there

Isn't it somewhat ironic that businesses think they're being security savvy when they don't update?




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Sent: Friday, 14 May 2021 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: Multi select list box not allowing multiple selections


Oh, I completely agree with you that IE should go. And public facing websites are, quite rightly, killing IE. I'm thinking more of applications that are used in house and which rely on IE, or some IT department that is slow to upgrade because of "security concerns". Legacy software is a funny thing; I often end up writing JAWS scripts to get AS/400 type databases to work in a Win10 environment, and AS/400 is decades old now.



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On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 15:48, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 07:58 AM, James Benstead wrote:

I think a number of institutions will be retaining it for quite some time.

I don't.  We're at the end of the "quite some time" to which you refer.  A very great many institutions have already made it impossible to use their sites with IE - they bar entry.  I'm counting the days until a feature update arrives when IE is actually finally, permanently purged from the Windows ecosystem.

Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer | Daniel Miessler       (Dec 2019)

The perils of using Internet Explorer as your default browser ...           (March 2019 – straight from the proverbial horse’s mouth)

Microsoft cybersecurity expert: Please, stop using Internet ...  (Feb 2019)

Microsoft security chief: IE is not a browser, so stop using ...     (Feb 2019)

Microsoft wants you to stop using Internet Explorer                    (Feb 2019)

12 reasons not to use Internet Explorer, ever | Computerworld  (June 2011 – Even more valid now)

And if you web search on “Why you should not use Internet Explorer” the list of returned results is long, and virtually unanimous in the expert (and non-expert) opinion that you should not.


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

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