Hello Dave, No, I did not have to do any thing to put Narrator on the boot disk. As I remember, after booting up off of the boot disk, you turn Narrator on exactly the same way that you do with Windows. Control+Windows Key+Enter. And in my case, I use a USB thumb drive instead of a disk on two different Windows10 laptops. When I purchased Image for Windows, years ago, I was told that it could be used on five PC’s. James B
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image. When you used the I F W create recovery boot disk, did you have to check a check box, to include NVDA to start, during the utilities boot process? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:11 PM Subject: Re: create a system image. Hello Dave, I wasn’t even aware that an IFW PE existed. I do not see that in my version of IFW but there is so much stuff there, I do not doubt it. But, in my post, I was referring to the IFW create recovery boot disk. This comes with the Image for Windows software. This is not a WinPE. It is however, a utility, more specifically, a recovery utility that came with my IFW. It absolutely does include Narrator which allows a blind person to do a complete image restore without a Win10PE or any other utilities or software. Regards, James B The I F W PE tool, does not come with any screen reader. It is possible to create a Preinstall Environment which includes a screen reader, such as NVDA but, why reinvent the wheel. As I have mentioned before, there are 2 versions of a Talking Preinstall Environment, 1 for Windows 7 and 1 for Windows 10. They both come with NVDA and Eloquence, as the speech engine. I personally prefer the one for Windows 7. The additional programs which are included with the Windows 10 TWPE, I have stored in a folder on the external USB drive, where I keep the image backups for all our systems. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 3:02 PM Subject: Re: create a system image. In order to use the I F W recovery utility, you need to run it within one of the 2 TWPE, I mentioned in my previous email. Although, there is a way to include NVDA in the I F W PE building utility itself but, I have no idea how to do that. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:09 PM Subject: Re: create a system image. Hi Dave, Assuming that you are using a newer version of Image For Windows, does IFW still incorporate the Narrator Screen reader on its recovery disk? My version of Image for Windows is around 6years old. My version of IFW itself will make you a recovery disk that includes the Microsoft screen reader, Narrator. So a blind person can use speech during a recovery. However, one would still have to memorize the steps to get their particular PC to boot off of that bootable USB recovery disk. It is also possible to get a sighted person to make a one time change in the boot sequence in the BIOS so the computer will always boot from any USB device that may be inserted during PC start up. I have needed to make several emergency recovery’s over the years because Windows was too corrupted to even boot. One time I restored my complete system on to a brand new drive with no problems. IFW never let me down. I paid around $40.00, around 6 years ago for my copy. The do have a 30 day trial version. I just wonder if Narrator still comes with IFW. James B I use Image for Windows, produced by Terabyte. You get a 30 day trial, then you need to purchase a license, to go on using the program. I do not think the purchase price is that expensive, probably about 50 dollars, US. As far as I know, there are 2 versions of a Talking Windoes Preinstall Environment (TWPE). One produced by Brian Smart for Windows 7 and another by someone by the name of Carlos, sorry I do not know his last name, for Windows 10. Once you boot into either TWPE, hopefully You should be able to run Macrium Reflect Free, to restore a previously created image to your system drive, using NVDA to speak the prompts and menues. I use Brian Smart's Windows 7 TWPE and the Image for Windows restore utility, to restore images. I use this TWPE because, I find that it boots faster, an it definitely shuts down the computer correctly, when you have finished restoring an image or, when you have finished using the TWPE for any other reason. When I have used Carlos's TWPE, I have found that when you shut down the computer, it occasionally hangs, and you need to press and hold the power button, until the system switches off. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:54 AM Subject: Re: create a system image. Will it run within Win PE? On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote: I did need a bit of sighted help to restore
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Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.
Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore. It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it. ~Brian Vogel
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