moderated Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance


Steve Nutt
 

Sorry David, I wasn’t replying to you, but to Sorel.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: 26 March 2021 00:33
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

 

I am afraid this is just completely  wrong and misinformed.

It is perfectly possible to override synthetiser pronunciations – this is an explicit function in NVDA where you can apply restriction of pronunciations to a voice or all synthetisers.

For example I have just loaded NVDA and using an even  older  Sapi 4 version of eloquence, the one provided by Kurzweil, and made exactly the same dictionary  amendment to Shostakovic that I tried to make with the Jaws Dictionary earlier tonight.

Unlike Jaws I did not have to enter Shostakovic multiple time. I only entered it once  without any punctuation. NVDA is reading it correctly irrespective of any punctuation surrounding the term.

For good measure I then switched to 2 other Sapi 5 synthetisers with NVDA and again Shostakovic is again being pronounced correctly now with the change I made in the NVDA Speech Dictionary.

So again why if even NVDA can provide this basic functionality  cannot VFO.

 

David Griffith

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From: Soronel Haetir
Sent: 26 March 2021 00:00
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

 

As I said, this is really not a VFO issue, it's a synthesizer issue,

and you should know that eloquence development stopped years ago.

 

Re. different results under Voiceover only if you were using the same

synthesizer (down to version) and got different behaviors depending on

which product was using it would I say that it is a synth client (i.e.

jaws) issue.

 

On 3/25/21, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

> I use Eloquence  with pronunciation  set to some.

> As far as I can tell I don’t seem to have this problem  with for example

> Voiceover on the Mac so am puzzled as to why this should be an

> insurmountable technical challenge for VFO.

> David Griffith

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

> From: Glenn / Lenny

> Sent: 25 March 2021 23:40

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

> Good point.

> David, which synth do you use?

> Also, maybe it is your punctuation level settings that might be the issue.

> I use Eloquence, and I use the default settings for punctuation, and I

> haven't had to deal with the issues you have.

> Glenn

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> From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@...>

> To: <main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 6:37 PM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Dictionary annoyance

> This really isn't an issue that VFO can address, these decisions are

> made deep in the synthesizer logic. The only thing the dictionary does

> is that when certain text is encountered specified other text is fed

> to the synthesizer in its place.

> Trying to broaden that so that the program replaces near-miss text

> with the dictionary entry would be fraught with error.

> On 3/25/21, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

>> There is a constant dictionary annoyance which I find with Jaws.

>> 

>> So for example Eloquence on Jaws will mis-pronounce a name like

>> Shostakovic. I amended this in my Jaws dictionary tonight to Shosta co vic

>> to make it approximate to something like the correct pronunciation

>> 

>> .

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>> However in practice this is not enough, because if Shostakovic is followed

>> by a full stop. A comma, a colon then the amended pronunciation will not

>> work for me. This means that for every word I want to put in the Jaws

>> dictionary has to be entered at least 4 time.

>> 

>> The first time without any punctuation, the next 3 times with a full stop,

>> a

>> comma, and a colon.

>> 

>> Depending on what I am trying to read I sometimes have to add the word 6

>> times to the dictionary because you have to also include version of the

>> word

>> with a question mark and exclamation mark and so on.

>> 

>> I assume that there is nothing I can do to avoid this annoyance at this

>> time

>> but surely it is not too great a coding challenge for VFO to make the Jaws

>> pronunciation dictionary just a little more intelligent and smart and less

>> dumb?

>> 

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>> David Griffith

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>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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